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| 03:09.27 | eightyeight | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/09/14/damning-zuckerberg-i.html |
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| 03:49.12 | bonez2046 | I have a yahoo friend who wants me to hook up my web cam.. problem is.. the friend is on yahoo and I am on irssi.. |
| 03:49.34 | bonez2046 | are there any applets for linux that incorporate web cam usage ? |
| 03:54.05 | eightyeight | gmail has built-in video chat with its web interface |
| 03:54.14 | bonez2046 | ok.. |
| 03:54.17 | bonez2046 | that's |
| 03:54.52 | eightyeight | doesn't connect to yahoo though. just gmail, and possibly aim users |
| 03:55.05 | eightyeight | pidgin might support video chat. dunno for sure |
| 03:55.28 | eightyeight | i'm sure spending a little time on google can turn up a number of results |
| 03:56.33 | bonez2046 | ok.. I'll keep looking |
| 03:57.45 | eightyeight | skypedoesn'[Bdoesn't skype support video chat with their linux client? |
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| 04:23.04 | sontek | eightyeight: nope, the linux skype version is like 2.1 or something |
| 04:23.07 | sontek | they are on v5 for windows |
| 04:23.17 | sontek | actually, wait, it does support video |
| 04:23.23 | sontek | I've skyped on video in linux |
| 04:23.27 | sontek | but it is really old |
| 04:23.32 | sontek | but definitely supports video =) |
| 04:27.12 | eightyeight | didn't skype get purchased recently? |
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| 04:47.12 | sontek | Not that I'm aware of |
| 04:47.29 | sontek | Ebay but them awhile ago, I think they may have bought it back from them? |
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| 05:56.26 | levi | TodPunk: I'm glad you enjoyed it. I really need to stop replying to him, though. |
| 05:57.02 | sshaw | http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/novell_inc_reaches_two_part_sale_lZKRHKFYO5T9cKq9Dy7WQO |
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| 06:21.35 | mecworks_ | sshaw: interesting eh? |
| 06:25.49 | sshaw | mecworks_: very |
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| 06:26.16 | sshaw | mecworks_: it'll be interesting to see who the buyer is and what direction they take suse |
| 06:26.30 | mecworks_ | sshaw: the next few days will be interesting. I'm going to be watching the news feds over the next couple days. |
| 06:28.01 | sshaw | no kidding |
| 06:28.16 | sshaw | I'm kind of looking for more articles, but nothing yet |
| 06:28.34 | sshaw | that's a fresh article though |
| 06:33.54 | mecworks_ | Yeah, I retweeted it as soon as it appeared. It was still at the top of my twitter search for Novell. |
| 06:36.05 | sshaw | mecworks_: so much for a 4th quarter |
| 06:37.27 | mecworks_ | They didn't give any financial guidance for Q4 which meant they didn't expect to have any. |
| 06:37.31 | mecworks_ | IMO |
| 06:38.19 | sshaw | right |
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| 14:11.53 | Migs | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhV5RgcNJjE |
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| 15:56.33 | goozbach | just had an epifiany(sp?) |
| 15:56.50 | goozbach | jsmith thinks I'm funny |
| 15:56.53 | fozzmoo | epiphany. |
| 15:57.01 | goozbach | and I've *SEEN* jsmith's humor... |
| 15:57.03 | goozbach | so.... |
| 15:57.03 | jsmith | goozbach: I did, until my flight made an emergency landing |
| 15:57.10 | goozbach | woah wut? |
| 15:57.21 | jsmith | Flying from RIC to ATL today -- had an engine overheat |
| 15:57.29 | jsmith | Now I'm in Greensboro, waiting for another plane |
| 15:57.56 | goozbach | ohh man! |
| 15:58.15 | fozzmoo | That's not humorous at all. |
| 15:59.07 | goozbach | no |
| 15:59.09 | goozbach | t |
| 15:59.11 | goozbach | at |
| 15:59.13 | goozbach | tal |
| 16:03.02 | fozzmoo | still wonders about goozbach's "epifany" |
| 16:04.24 | jsmith | goozbach: Ok, sorry to steal the spotlight... share your funny epiphany |
| 16:04.29 | goozbach | that was it |
| 16:04.37 | goozbach | *YOU* think I'm funny |
| 16:04.46 | goozbach | I *KNOW* your level of humor |
| 16:04.51 | jsmith | sighs |
| 16:04.52 | goozbach | *shrug* |
| 16:04.55 | goozbach | :) |
| 16:04.59 | goozbach | just playing man |
| 16:05.02 | jsmith | ~laugh goozbach |
| 16:05.03 | ibot | ACTION laughs hysterically at goozbach...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 16:05.03 | goozbach | don't be sad |
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| 16:05.09 | fozzmoo | I guess it's not that epiphanic that I think you're funny. |
| 16:05.17 | goozbach | fozzmoo: you thing I'm funny? |
| 16:05.23 | fozzmoo | Yes. I do thing. |
| 16:05.31 | goozbach | bery good |
| 16:05.41 | jsmith | goozbach: That's two! |
| 16:05.54 | goozbach | just need one more! |
| 16:06.13 | goozbach | so jsmith are you not supposed to leave the country or what? |
| 16:06.27 | jsmith | goozbach: I have the worst luck, but only when I'm trying to get to FUDCon |
| 16:07.11 | fozzmoo | Isn't the next FUDcon kind of in my neighborhood? In the west? |
| 16:07.26 | goozbach | oh boy |
| 16:07.43 | goozbach | fozzmoo: if PDX is "your neighborhood" |
| 16:07.57 | JoshH | i wish PDX was mine |
| 16:08.14 | fozzmoo | Portland? Why was I thinking it was in NM? |
| 16:08.15 | fozzmoo | Weird. |
| 16:08.20 | jsmith | fozzmoo: PHX |
| 16:08.28 | jsmith | fozzmoo: (Well, technically it's in Tempe, AZ) |
| 16:08.33 | fozzmoo | Oh. Right. |
| 16:08.38 | jsmith | fozzmoo: You should come :-) |
| 16:08.42 | JoshH | eh, tempe is phx |
| 16:08.44 | fozzmoo | AZ, NM, they're both overrun with illegal mexicans. |
| 16:08.52 | fozzmoo | When is it? |
| 16:09.22 | jsmith | fozzmoo: January 29-31, on the ASU campus |
| 16:09.29 | fozzmoo | Ahhhh. Maybe I will. |
| 16:09.38 | fozzmoo | One of my best friends lives in Phx. |
| 16:09.48 | fozzmoo | I stayed with him when I went down there for my RHCE exam. |
| 16:09.48 | jsmith | w00t! |
| 16:09.49 | JoshH | my mom lives in phx |
| 16:09.54 | JoshH | and january is a mighty fine time to be there |
| 16:10.05 | levi | Heh, my father in law is going to be furious. The FDA released a warning about MMS. |
| 16:10.10 | fozzmoo | I'm probably heading there in Oct to spend the weekend with him, do some shooting of guns, and stuff. |
| 16:10.21 | fozzmoo | MMS? |
| 16:10.36 | JoshH | fozzmoo: shooting at illegals along the border? |
| 16:10.45 | fozzmoo | Ii wish. |
| 16:10.56 | levi | Miracle Mineral Solution. |
| 16:11.17 | fozzmoo | Tell your father in law, there is no such thing as mineral solutions. |
| 16:11.51 | levi | When you mix it with an acid like citrus juice as directed, it released shlorine dioxide, which is a potent bleach. |
| 16:11.58 | levi | Er, chlorine |
| 16:12.20 | fozzmoo | Nice. Dual purpose. |
| 16:12.38 | JoshH | fozzmoo: i suppose you can shoot the water jugs that the bleeding hearts leave out for them |
| 16:12.51 | fozzmoo | JoshH: True. |
| 16:13.27 | fozzmoo | Of course, I might have a hard time finding them amid all the trash strewn across the desert landscape. |
| 16:14.02 | JoshH | i haven't been to that region, but i thought there were some sort of semi-recognizable trails |
| 16:14.05 | JoshH | with teh water every so often |
| 16:15.30 | fozzmoo | My friend who lives in Phx is currently writing a novel which includes a storyline of illegals crossing the border. As a result, he's done a ridiculous amount of research into it. |
| 16:16.00 | fozzmoo | http://www.erumors.net/rumors/a/Arizona-Desert-Trash.htm |
| 16:18.02 | fungus | I wonder how different our life would be if the native americans enforced their borders more strongly. |
| 16:18.16 | fozzmoo | it's interesting... |
| 16:18.41 | unum | fungus: or the mexicans for that matter |
| 16:18.58 | fozzmoo | While I was in Pittsburgh last month, I visited the Fort Pitt Museum which is rich with history of interaction (i.e. wars) between Native Americans and "white folk." |
| 16:19.18 | Migs | fozzmoo: That's so gross. |
| 16:19.21 | fozzmoo | What really stood out was that the native Americans really didn't buy into the concept of "land ownership." |
| 16:19.39 | Migs | yeah, well they were wrong. We own the land now. |
| 16:20.19 | fozzmoo | While the French were mostly interested in trade (fur), the British and American colonials were rabidly obsessed with land ownership. |
| 16:20.52 | fozzmoo | The "Indians" felt the land was meant to be shared by man and nature. |
| 16:21.12 | Migs | another false assumption. Man has dominion over nature. Says so in the Bible. |
| 16:21.25 | Migs | Thank goodness we brought religion to those heathens. |
| 16:21.40 | fungus | lol |
| 16:21.50 | levi | Part of the reason they were dismissed as uneducated savages is that they didn't believe in the enlightened ideas of land ownership and development. They weren't using the land to its full potential, so it was right to move them off so it could be properly exploited. |
| 16:22.01 | Migs | right |
| 16:22.11 | Migs | plus they wore loincloths |
| 16:22.25 | Migs | I mean, come on...where were the frilly dresses and powdered wigs? |
| 16:22.43 | fozzmoo | Anyway... my point being they wouldn't have fought for their borders because they didn't recognize the concept of them. |
| 16:23.01 | fozzmoo | Very interesting history. Very sad as well. |
| 16:23.05 | Migs | except we recognize the concept of borders but we don't fight to keep Mexicans from crossing them |
| 16:23.28 | Migs | History is riddled with nations conquering others. This is not so different. |
| 16:23.51 | Migs | Most of them don't even bother to set up reservations they can live on, and give them tax breaks later. |
| 16:24.15 | Migs | It's either "assimilate into your new culture or die." |
| 16:24.53 | jsmith-away | thinks that there are many different tribes, and many different ways of living... and too much generalization going in in this channel |
| 16:25.11 | Migs | Yes, but there's only one correct, American way. |
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| 16:26.05 | jsmith-away | (In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a card-carrying member of a Native American tribe) |
| 16:27.45 | Migs | they issue cards? |
| 16:27.58 | fugue88 | But not land deeds. |
| 16:28.03 | Migs | hahahaha |
| 16:28.30 | Migs | I guess I shouldn't make Native American jokes then |
| 16:28.40 | Migs | it's okay, we'll just wait until you leave |
| 16:36.09 | JoshH | i'm 1/32 souix, or so i've been told |
| 16:36.18 | JoshH | something about a grandma from way back |
| 16:36.48 | JoshH | maybe it was 1/16 |
| 16:48.12 | JoshH | jsmith-away: what tribe? |
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| 16:50.10 | Migs | I'm 100% American. |
| 16:52.50 | Migs | Native American, no less. Born and raised. |
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| 18:13.52 | maquis | hey all... looking for some advice |
| 18:15.05 | maquis | I'm giving a relief society lesson tonight on computer/internet safety. it needs to be very non-technical. what types of things do you guys think should be covered? |
| 18:15.36 | fadein | maquis: whatever you put on facebook can't be undone |
| 18:15.52 | maquis | (i'm tentatively sidestepping the "avoiding pornography" side of things because it gets overdone |
| 18:16.32 | maquis | fadein: good idea. |
| 18:17.05 | fadein | maquis: teach them to look for the lock icon/green address bar when they log in to their bank |
| 18:17.41 | maquis | is that true on IE as well? |
| 18:17.53 | fadein | maquis: and don't click the links in emails unless the writer's grammar is decent, and even then, maybe don't click 'em |
| 18:18.09 | fadein | maquis: um... lemme check |
| 18:18.13 | maquis | hehe.. i've got that one down... :) |
| 18:19.21 | maquis | i'm also saying to avoid bit.ly links where you cant see where it's going |
| 18:19.55 | fadein | maquis: lets see: Internet Exploder 8 doesn't have a green address bar, but it does have a yellow-on-sky-blue lock icon when you're viewing an https:// webpage |
| 18:19.56 | levi | IE 8 is pretty obnoxious about keeping you from sites with invalid certificates. |
| 18:20.09 | maquis | ok. that's goo |
| 18:20.39 | maquis | i might explain really high level wht certificate warnings mean |
| 18:20.58 | maquis | i'm also going to say an up-to-ate antivirus |
| 18:21.00 | levi | Also talk about phishing scams. |
| 18:21.09 | maquis | levi: yup |
| 18:21.11 | fadein | good idea, lest they blindly click past cert warnings without thinking. |
| 18:21.25 | levi | Just because it says it's from your bank or eBay or UPS doesn't mean it is. |
| 18:22.20 | fadein | if they are comcast customers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hvictims, they have a free Norton (or McAfee.. can't remember which) license, courtesy of their overpriced cable bill |
| 18:22.21 | levi | You might also want to mention sites like snopes and eRumors for checking to see if warning emails you get are for real. |
| 18:22.38 | maquis | our ward has a really broad range of computer experience, so I'm a bit worried about how this will go... |
| 18:22.58 | fadein | levi: that's a good idea. also mention that sites like snopes and eRumors are fantastic for killing time :) |
| 18:23.53 | maquis | i'm going to try to help them understand about what is and isn't smart to post online... |
| 18:23.56 | levi | You should also bring up the fact that any 'free' Windows software you install could potentially be a vector for adware or malware. |
| 18:24.04 | Gate | maquis: look for the HTTPS before you type in your password. |
| 18:24.20 | Gate | maquis: also, nigerian princes don't have your email address |
| 18:24.29 | maquis | for example, i had a cousin who had a blog where he started a countdown to a vacation... then on other places on the blog, he mentioned the city he lived in and had pictures of his house from multiple angles... |
| 18:24.40 | Gate | robbed. |
| 18:24.43 | maquis | Gate: true... :) |
| 18:24.48 | maquis | Gate: he got lucky, but yeah |
| 18:25.19 | maquis | someone else in our area got robbed by a facebook friend (who they didn't actually really know) because they posted information about when they were going to see a show |
| 18:25.20 | Gate | wasn't there a recent string of arrests for robbers who were scraping facebook for targets? |
| 18:26.20 | fadein | maquis: put a password on your wireless network, and don't call it "Johnston Family Network" |
| 18:26.47 | fadein | can't say how many of those I find... |
| 18:26.52 | maquis | fadein: true |
| 18:26.56 | levi | The check-in sort of social networks like Foursquare and the new Foursquare-like Facebook feature are explicitly designed to broadcast when you're not at home. |
| 18:27.05 | goozbach | call it "ues tihs nad eid" |
| 18:27.11 | Gate | maquis: There is a book called the "Principals of Self Defense." The core principal: be aware |
| 18:27.32 | fadein | my router's SID is "buy your own internet" |
| 18:28.13 | Gate | I have a few near where I live like "You Wish" and "Good Luck" |
| 18:28.16 | maquis | linksys and netgear aren't that much better of names... particularly to someone who notices that they're unlocked... |
| 18:28.41 | levi | I think Bruce Lee would be one of the princiapals of self defense. Man, that guy could take care of himself. |
| 18:28.50 | Gate | I name mine after trickster gods. Anyone who gets the reference should get the message. |
| 18:29.01 | maquis | I'm wondering if I should talk about limewire or whatever the current malware/pirate apps are |
| 18:29.14 | fadein | maquis: not a bad idae |
| 18:29.22 | Gate | levi: the book was primarily about successful, armed self defense. |
| 18:29.49 | levi | Gate: Was it perhaps actually named 'Principles of Self Defense'? |
| 18:30.32 | Gate | well excuse me ;) http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Personal-Defense-Jeff-Cooper/dp/0873644972 |
| 18:30.47 | levi | Sorry, just making a silly joke. |
| 18:32.17 | maquis | good stuff here |
| 18:32.28 | maquis | i told them 10 minutes plus questions, but it might actually be longer |
| 18:33.11 | maquis | i'm also going to give them all my email address, so that if they can't figure out how to do something (like change their router password) I can help them more directly :) |
| 18:33.19 | fadein | maquis: don't use a lame password: http://www.squidoo.com/strong-password |
| 18:33.25 | maquis | fadein: true |
| 18:33.35 | maquis | i'm also going to suggest not doing the same password everywhere |
| 18:33.46 | maquis | maybe i should take in this week's xkcd about passwords.... :) |
| 18:37.35 | goozbach | passwordcard |
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| 18:38.43 | fadein | take this one in so they can help themselves before resorting to emailing you: http://xkcd.com/627/ |
| 18:44.21 | unum | I just posted this in uphpu, but I see you're talking about passwords in here |
| 18:44.24 | unum | http://www.dragonresearchgroup.org/insight/sshpwauth-cloud.html |
| 19:01.47 | fadein | not about internet safety: http://picmoticon.com/ |
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| 19:25.55 | TehLaser | Something like openid really does need to go widespread. |
| 19:26.34 | TehLaser | I've actually been wondering if you could make some sort of password-keeper app that stores your encrypted passwords out in the cloud somewhere, then decrypts them clientside with javascript in a trustable way. |
| 19:28.18 | TehLaser | or, rather, if you could do it in a way where you shouldn't have to trust the host of said web app. |
| 19:28.43 | fugue88 | TehLaser: LastPass for FF does that, w/o "the cloud." |
| 19:28.51 | goozbach | TehLaser: there's a bunch of new identification schemes out there |
| 19:29.00 | goozbach | idenenty cards is one i really like |
| 19:29.11 | TehLaser | fugue88: yeah, I use keepass for that locally. |
| 19:29.20 | TehLaser | But that doesn't work for roamers. |
| 19:29.28 | goozbach | pjw wrote ab gook about it |
| 19:29.36 | fugue88 | LastPass works for roamers, I'm told. |
| 19:29.51 | TehLaser | looks. |
| 19:29.58 | TehLaser | Oh yeah, that's the "the cloud" part. |
| 19:30.04 | TehLaser | synching them up like that. |
| 19:30.24 | TehLaser | what sort of identity card? smartcards? |
| 19:31.20 | TehLaser | I guess a roamer has to trust the computer they're using anyway, so making them install a bit of software isn't unreasonable. |
| 19:32.45 | fugue88 | One *does* need to trust the installed software to actually work as claimed, and not have lame crypto. |
| 19:33.33 | TehLaser | Yeah, I was thinking some sort of source code review to deal with that. |
| 19:33.57 | TehLaser | Problem is the host could replace the reviewed code with malicious code, and how would users know? |
| 19:34.22 | TehLaser | Especially if they're roaming and have no existing software on this computer. |
| 19:34.26 | TehLaser | Also: keyloggers. |
| 19:34.28 | fugue88 | Unless updates are transparent (on FF, they're aren't) they'd have some sort of indication. |
| 19:34.44 | TehLaser | well, I was thinking in terms of javascript. |
| 19:35.20 | TehLaser | ooh, hey, lastpass uses OTPs too. |
| 19:36.47 | TehLaser | has trouble trusting them though |
| 19:37.17 | TehLaser | I recall microsoft/hotmail swearing up and down that they didn't keep plaintext passwords and could only do the normal reset thing. |
| 19:37.38 | TehLaser | And then I got access to the app that let me view the plaintext password for any passport account. :P |
| 20:03.13 | levi | Huh. Apparently a cousin of mine was in a choir with Katy Perry. |
| 20:11.52 | levi | LastPass looks pretty nice. I may have to move to it. |
| 20:13.09 | fugue88 | I'd love a FF plugin that would use my ~/.netrc file. |
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| 21:59.31 | sjansen | Y'all haven't been following the crunchpad soap opera, but... |
| 21:59.39 | sjansen | http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/15/status-of-crunchpad-litigation/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=Google+Reader |
| 22:00.01 | sjansen | I mean... |
| 22:00.07 | sjansen | wow. |
| 22:02.06 | levi | At this point, does anyone care about the CrunchPad? |
| 22:05.39 | sjansen | The hardware, not so much. The conspiracy to defraud techcrunch? Yeah, I kinda do. |
| 22:12.19 | levi | That does look pretty WTF-tastic. |
| 22:26.59 | ^Phantom^ | http://static.2mdn.net/1041764/IE9-sin.png wut? |
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| 22:49.25 | levi | Huh, SproutCore looks pretty cool. |
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| 23:27.57 | Tene | for a small, cheap tablet, my first choice would be a smartQ5 |
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