| 00:00.00 | sontek | eightyeight: I've been running Ubuntu that last few releases |
| 00:00.20 | eightyeight | ah. cool |
| 00:00.30 | goozbach | heads home |
| 00:01.03 | sontek | openSUSE took 11 months in between releases so I decided it was time to get something new |
| 00:01.15 | sontek | Have you played with 10.10 yet? |
| 00:01.23 | eightyeight | no. i haven't been on ubuntu for some time |
| 00:01.34 | sontek | What are you running now? |
| 00:01.43 | eightyeight | debian |
| 00:02.02 | eightyeight | fedora at work |
| 00:02.46 | sontek | How you liking Debian? I keep thinking of going back to it but they are never up to date enough for me |
| 00:03.08 | eightyeight | i love it. i'm running sid, so i don't worry about terribly out-of-date packages |
| 00:03.54 | eightyeight | xulrunner, and as a result, iceweasel and icedove (and semonkey and others), is out of date until after squeeze releases |
| 00:04.13 | sontek | I was getting ready to play with 10.10, maybe i'll throw Debian on there instead |
| 00:04.14 | eightyeight | other than that... |
| 00:04.51 | sontek | Now that Chrome has firebug lite I run it for the most part |
| 00:05.36 | eightyeight | chrome's developer tools has been good enough for me |
| 00:06.34 | sontek | I may not have given it a good enough chance but I didn't like the html inspection and couldn't get js debugging working well |
| 00:07.56 | eightyeight | yeah. the inspection quality could be better. i've never really gotten into the debugging. i just sit in the console, and code until i have it right |
| 00:08.38 | eightyeight | (i assume you're talking about setting breakpoints, etc) |
| 00:09.09 | sontek | Yeah, i'm a fan of actual debugging |
| 00:09.17 | sontek | breakpoint/inspecting locals/etc |
| 00:09.36 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 00:09.51 | eightyeight | i should learn it better |
| 00:10.03 | sontek | But firebug has amazing debugging and great inspection, so now that it works in chrome its perfect |
| 00:10.31 | eightyeight | cool |
| 00:12.05 | eightyeight | how is opensuse factory? i've thought about giving that a try |
| 00:12.32 | eightyeight | isn't that their rolling release? |
| 00:36.04 | Tene | oh man, had to interview someone today, it was pretty bad. |
| 00:36.41 | Tene | He wouldn't admit it when he didn't know something. |
| 00:36.52 | Tene | He wouldn't admit it when he was wrong about something. |
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| 00:42.26 | Tene | anyone here interested in moving to sfbay? |
| 00:52.21 | eightyeight | ~wtf eee |
| 01:01.44 | sontek | Tene: I want to live in san jose |
| 01:01.54 | TehLaser | Tene: I am, sorta. Why? |
| 01:02.13 | sontek | eightyeight: yeah, factory is usually pretty bad |
| 01:02.37 | sontek | eightyeight: its always really unstable, they do a lot of dev in it |
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| 01:05.25 | eightyeight | sontek: ah, that sucks. a lot of bugs, eh? not really stable like sid? |
| 01:07.03 | Tene | TehLaser: my company is trying to hire, and having trouble finding competent people. |
| 01:08.03 | TehLaser | What for? |
| 01:08.49 | Tene | TehLaser: I'm interviewing for the sysadmin position, but there's a few others: http://imvu.jobscore.com/list |
| 01:09.29 | Tene | sontek: we're in Palo Alto, which isn't too much of a commute from San Jose. |
| 01:13.00 | TehLaser | Heh. I somehow managed to fail to realize that someone had to actually *make* imvu. :) |
| 01:15.05 | Tene | Heh. |
| 01:18.57 | sontek | Tene: what do you do for them? |
| 01:19.23 | Tene | sontek: sysadmin. |
| 01:19.46 | eightyeight | Tene: i thought you were hired as a perl coder |
| 01:20.01 | Tene | eightyeight: I do a fair amount of perl here |
| 01:20.07 | eightyeight | cool |
| 01:20.11 | Tene | a large part of our automation is written in perl |
| 01:20.24 | Tene | I'm working on a web frontend to it, among other things. |
| 01:21.16 | Tene | We've got about 700-ish systems in our cluster, mostly apache, mysql, memcache, proxies |
| 01:21.22 | eightyeight | nice |
| 01:21.31 | eightyeight | how many admins on the team? |
| 01:21.58 | Tene | 5 |
| 01:23.03 | Tene | One spends at least half his time being a manager, though, so a bit less. |
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| 02:06.20 | fugue88 | eightyeight: eee, perhaps Asus EEE PC? |
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| 02:52.58 | eightyeight | fugue88: maybe |
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| 05:45.18 | levi | Good evening. |
| 05:48.55 | levi | What's #utah up to tonight? |
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| 05:56.29 | levi | I'm hackin' on a Wireshark dissector. |
| 06:27.39 | ^Phantom^ | I'm watching TV |
| 06:27.46 | ^Phantom^ | [adult swim] for the win :D |
| 06:30.45 | levi | Heh. |
| 06:31.11 | levi | I could watch that now that I've got cable, but I've watched too much TV tonight already. |
| 09:02.06 | ^Phantom^ | lol |
| 09:02.18 | ^Phantom^ | ya i'm still up... (nightowl) |
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| 14:27.35 | jsmith | goozbach: You'll love this quote: "Nevertheless, everyone I know that has reviewed the newly released driver code is being treated for eye cancer." -- John Linville on the newly released Broadcom WiFi drivers |
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| 14:30.25 | goozbach | LLOL~! |
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| 15:27.09 | goozbach | eye cancer! |
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| 15:28.12 | goozbach | ibot: eyecancer $dude is <action> makes $dude read the broadcom driver sourcecode, causing eye cancer. Sorry $dude. |
| 15:28.12 | ibot | okay, goozbach |
| 15:28.20 | goozbach | ~eyecancer jsmith |
| 15:28.20 | ibot | ACTION makes jsmith read the broadcom driver sourcecode, causing eye cancer. Sorry jsmith. |
| 15:29.47 | jsmith | "source code" is two words |
| 15:29.49 | jsmith | ibot: No, eyecancer $dude is <action> makes $dude read the Broadcom driver source code, causing eye cancer. Sorry, $dude. |
| 15:29.49 | ibot | okay, jsmith |
| 15:30.00 | jsmith | ~eyecancer goozbach |
| 15:30.00 | ibot | ACTION makes goozbach read the Broadcom driver source code, causing eye cancer. Sorry, goozbach. |
| 15:30.38 | goozbach | see, I had eyecancer before, so I can'tseespaces properly. |
| 15:31.13 | goozbach | wonders if he's as funny as he thinks he is |
| 15:31.28 | fugue88 | wonders how funny goozbach thinks he is |
| 15:31.39 | fugue88 | We're at an impasse. |
| 15:31.39 | goozbach | pretty funny |
| 15:31.41 | jsmith | goozbach: Yeah, you're funny :-) |
| 15:31.44 | jsmith | ~funny goozbach |
| 15:37.06 | TehLaser | What's wrong with the driver code? |
| 15:37.28 | fugue88 | TehLaser: Try reading it. Let us know what happens... |
| 15:37.43 | TehLaser | Is it particularly gnarly, or just so rare it must be radioactive? |
| 15:38.16 | TehLaser | I don't really know what regular driver code looks like, and I don't want eye cancer, so perhaps I'll pass. :) |
| 15:48.08 | jsmith | It's ugly code, from what I hear |
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| 16:18.02 | tvc123 | quick question ... what are people using for storage these days? (yes I aready know goozbach's answer) |
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| 16:20.37 | fungus | Netapp, and Sun 7000 series |
| 16:23.06 | tvc123 | fungus: how happy have you been with either solution? |
| 16:23.24 | goozbach | tvc123: don't let my boss hear this, but netapp is nice |
| 16:23.33 | goozbach | but it's *TOOOOOOO* expensive |
| 16:23.46 | fungus | I love my Netapps. |
| 16:23.50 | goozbach | you can get quadruple the storage for 50% the price if you go with coraid |
| 16:24.11 | fungus | The Sun Storage is decent, but I only have a 7210, not quite primary storage IMHO |
| 16:24.27 | tvc123 | I'm trying to decide if I should add another shelf to my existing Clarion or if I should be doing something else |
| 16:24.42 | fungus | Netapp is fantastically awesome, and equally fantastically expensive. |
| 16:24.59 | fungus | But Netapp support is fantastic too |
| 16:25.10 | tvc123 | its only going to be for document storage so it doesn't have to be extreemly fast |
| 16:25.37 | tvc123 | so is Netapp Clarion type expensive? |
| 16:25.50 | fungus | Oh, for basic file sharing, the Sun Unified storage is cheap and quite decent. |
| 16:26.02 | goozbach | how important is the data? |
| 16:26.11 | fungus | Plus you get ZFS |
| 16:26.26 | goozbach | if not very, buy yourself a supermicro chassis and fill it with disks |
| 16:26.31 | tvc123 | fungus: although dealing with Oracle scares the hell out of me |
| 16:26.56 | tvc123 | goozbach: fairly important that is the other requirement we would want to sync the data to our DR site |
| 16:27.09 | fungus | Yeah the whole Sun -> Oracle transition has caused a few bumps in the road for sure. But it seems they are getting ironed out. |
| 16:27.43 | tvc123 | goozbach: I've considered doing that as well it would be cheap and I could just rsync the two of the |
| 16:27.46 | fungus | tvc123, the Sun solutions have easy and free replication. Thank you zfs |
| 16:27.46 | tvc123 | err them |
| 16:29.04 | tvc123 | fungus: although from previous experiance I can say there support is somewhat lacking |
| 16:29.15 | tvc123 | s/there/their/ |
| 16:29.18 | fungus | Sun support before Oracle was really good |
| 16:29.28 | fungus | After Oracle it's quite so-so |
| 16:29.39 | tvc123 | fungus: you must have talked to different people |
| 16:30.37 | fungus | I have talked with their support quite a bit actually. |
| 16:31.01 | fungus | I have experiences from Before Oracle, During transition, and After. |
| 16:31.36 | fungus | Even had Sun techs on site twice |
| 16:31.38 | tvc123 | it may have been that I was in the education sector and am in logan |
| 16:31.53 | tvc123 | they never seemed to be able to meet their turn around times |
| 16:32.40 | fungus | possibly, I had to engage sales people and get nasty a few times during the transition, but overall it's not too bad. |
| 16:33.30 | fungus | They aren't near as fabulous as Netapp support, but they are decent as long as you have a good support contract |
| 16:34.45 | fungus | and the price is nice. We got a 7210 with SSD write cache drive, for about $20k |
| 16:35.27 | fungus | That came with 16TB usable. |
| 16:35.54 | tvc123 | nice that's not bad at all |
| 16:37.31 | fungus | nope, not bad at all. A Netapp like that would be 4-5 times more than that depending on software features I purchase. |
| 16:38.49 | tvc123 | fungus: any idea if this is a product Oracle is going to keep around? |
| 16:39.37 | fungus | I think so. Their sales engineers are still excited about them, and they are continuing lots of development on them. |
| 16:40.16 | tvc123 | Probably at least worth looking at |
| 16:40.51 | fungus | Yeah, if you talk to a sales rep they can usually hook you up with a Try and Buy |
| 16:42.10 | tvc123 | looks at his sun contact list that is years old |
| 16:44.15 | fungus | I use a VAR for that stuff most of the time. |
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| 18:32.02 | elg | can anyone get to fugal.net? |
| 18:33.00 | fugue88 | elg: I can. |
| 18:33.12 | fugue88 | There's a boat. |
| 18:33.21 | elg | thx |
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| 18:33.47 | elg | time for a reboot |
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| 18:41.45 | TodPunk | levi: Once again, I adore you |
| 19:06.07 | unum | TodPunk: ? |
| 19:06.25 | TodPunk | He had a rant on the list I enjoyed |
| 19:07.07 | jsmith | Oooh... |
| 19:07.10 | jsmith | must go read it |
| 19:07.23 | unum | me too |
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| 19:10.40 | fugue88 | TodPunk: link? |
| 19:12.26 | fugue88 | TodPunk: This? http://plug.org/pipermail/plug/2010-September/023789.html |
| 19:14.02 | TodPunk | yes, that, fugue88 |
| 19:14.15 | fugue88 | Cool. Yeah, that's a nice treatment there. |
| 19:14.20 | eightyeight | heh |
| 19:14.27 | TodPunk | it's a very gentlemanly smackdown xD |
| 19:16.01 | Chigs | how nice: http://www.thefoxnation.com/media/2010/09/14/pres-obama-writing-childrens-book |
| 19:16.06 | Chigs | President Obama has time to write books |
| 19:16.22 | Chigs | children's literature, no less. I wish I had a cushy job where I had plenty of time to write books. |
| 19:16.40 | unum | maybe you just need to learn to work longer hours |
| 19:16.43 | TodPunk | even the president has personal time. Granted, he should probably be spending that with family or something. |
| 19:16.46 | JoshH | i'd rather him doing that than having a dinner for a bunch of execs and lobbyists |
| 19:17.25 | JoshH | plus with the profits going to that cause |
| 19:17.28 | JoshH | how can you be against it |
| 19:17.43 | JoshH | presidents don't "work" the same way we do |
| 19:19.11 | eightyeight | a president literate enough to write books. quite the change from a president who couldn't tell if the book was upside-down |
| 19:20.07 | Migs | I miss George Bush |
| 19:20.11 | Migs | He was a great president |
| 19:20.14 | eightyeight | i'm sorry |
| 19:20.17 | TodPunk | THOUSAND POINTS OF LIGHT!!! |
| 19:20.38 | unum | and of course my favority president released 2 book while serving as president |
| 19:21.38 | fugue88 | eightyeight: To be fair, he was paying more attention to the child that was reading out of her own copy, if that's the moment you're talking about. |
| 19:22.00 | eightyeight | fugue88: sure. ruin my funny |
| 19:22.11 | fugue88 | Okay. |
| 19:23.01 | JoshH | http://www.woodtrimdash.com/Bush_Binoculars%20New.jpg |
| 19:23.31 | eightyeight | http://mhpbooks.com/mobylives/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/bush_book.jpg |
| 19:28.24 | eightyeight | ~recursion |
| 19:28.24 | ibot | To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. see ~recursion |
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| 19:51.41 | Migs | man, we only got 3 people who applied for the web design position |
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| 20:15.01 | sjansen | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/09/14/1521225/Steve-Jobs-Tries-To-Sneak-Shurikens-On-A-Plane |
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| 20:15.33 | sjansen | Do you know who I am? |
| 20:15.44 | sjansen | Do _you_ KNOW who _I_ am? |
| 20:16.04 | sjansen | I'm Steve Jobs $@#!F! |
| 20:16.20 | sjansen | Give me my shuriken or I'll confiscate your iPhone! |
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| 20:20.40 | goozbach | I posit that GW was reading to the class in "presentation mode" |
| 20:20.54 | goozbach | ie. the book was held open to the children in front of him |
| 20:21.15 | eightyeight | sjansen: he said/she said |
| 20:21.22 | goozbach | and just before the picture was snapped, he sat up, looking at that girl, and the book seems to be laying flat |
| 20:21.50 | eightyeight | goozbach: you're giving w too much credit |
| 20:22.17 | sjansen | eightyeight: That's what she said. |
| 20:22.22 | eightyeight | he clearly can't read a book, which explains how he ran our country |
| 20:22.39 | eightyeight | sjansen: yeah, well, your mom! |
| 20:22.45 | sjansen | bows to the distant sound a rimshot |
| 20:24.55 | goozbach | http://theoatmeal.com/blog/utilikilt |
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| 21:44.56 | TehLaser | I do hope you aren't talking about http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/bushbook.asp |
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| 22:37.46 | eightyeight | TodPunk: party pooper |
| 22:38.15 | TodPunk | eightyeight: I believe you mean TehLaser |
| 22:39.51 | eightyeight | meh |
| 22:39.59 | eightyeight | ~lart TehLaser |
| 22:39.59 | ibot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats TehLaser until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
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| 22:50.44 | Gate | What I don't get is why you would make a mistake like reversing that image when faking the photo |
| 22:51.50 | Gate | cut, rotate 180 deg, paste, patch done. |
| 22:52.57 | fugue88 | Gate: That might require some reading skills, to learn how to use the "rotate" feature. |
| 22:53.04 | fugue88 | Oh, the irony. |
| 22:55.34 | sjansen | Why rotate 180 when you can flip? |
| 22:57.27 | ^Phantom^ | shoop da woop |
| 22:57.27 | Gate | Because 180 deg rotation is the accurate intent, and I can see the button right there, in GIMP |
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| 23:20.01 | TimRiker | mecworks, dns not updating for some reason. |
| 23:20.11 | TimRiker | ~nslookup elinux.org |
| 23:20.46 | TimRiker | yet host elinux.org ns.mecworks.com shows the old ip. looks like /var/cache/bind/elinux.org is correct. what's up? |
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| 23:24.25 | TimRiker | mecworks, hmm. was looking on the wrong machine. |
| 23:24.41 | TimRiker | mecworks, /var/lib/named/slave/elinux.org is NOT correct. |
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