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| 15:52.28 | levi | I still don't know who Bieber is. |
| 15:53.26 | unum | I've heard a lot about his hair cut |
| 15:53.38 | unum | I don't here much celeb gossip since I stopped watching leno |
| 15:53.50 | unum | we have tv now, I could start watching him again |
| 15:53.55 | levi | I haven't really heard anything about him except that apparently a lot of people love and a lot of people hate him. |
| 15:54.06 | levi | And I guess he's young and he sings. |
| 15:55.16 | levi | Man, I think I need to reboot. |
| 15:55.32 | unum | are you on a windows box? |
| 15:55.36 | levi | Yup. |
| 15:55.42 | unum | that sucks |
| 15:56.00 | levi | Well, I've got a couple of Linux boxes too, one of which also needs rebooting. |
| 15:56.09 | unum | I guess I'm the same way |
| 15:56.15 | unum | one windows box two linux boxes |
| 15:56.19 | unum | all connected with synergy |
| 15:56.39 | unum | I've begun running the browser on the windows box since that's what all my users use |
| 15:56.41 | levi | My Linux laptop is always getting crufted up when I put it to sleep and wake it up a few times. |
| 15:57.06 | levi | My Windows box runs Outlook and browsers and various Windows-only tools. |
| 15:57.32 | levi | It's got Xming and PuTTY and Cygwin so it's not too bad. |
| 15:58.09 | levi | I generally have to reboot it less than the stupid laptop. |
| 15:58.39 | unum | all my coworker use putty, so they'll always say stuff like "in putty it does such and such" |
| 15:58.48 | unum | which drives me nuts |
| 15:59.21 | levi | putty is nice. It has built-in http proxy support. |
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| 16:01.16 | levi | It's not perfect, but it generally works. |
| 16:03.54 | levi | My 'fun task of the day' is to figure out why this device is throwing 'out of interrupt event' errors occasionally. |
| 16:04.16 | levi | The engineers who actually work on this device haven't been able to figure it out after weeks of looking. |
| 16:06.30 | levi | The tricky thing is that as soon as it throws that error, it's stuck permanently in the kernel, so you can't examine the system. And it only happens on random occasions. |
| 16:07.38 | levi | It's a QNX box, not Linux. |
| 16:09.49 | fugue88 | Wow, with QNX's message-passing arch (even for interrupts, iirc), I'm a little surprised. |
| 16:10.17 | levi | Well, it's a very nice architecture, but you can still screw things up. |
| 16:10.31 | levi | You can screw any system up with bad device drivers. |
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| 16:11.35 | levi | I'm disappointed that they decided to just spew a rather unhelpful error message rather than dying with some information about what's in the event queue, though. |
| 16:11.56 | levi | What's the OS supposed to do if you asked it to send events but you never handle them, though? |
| 16:14.10 | fugue88 | Port linux's oom-killer to QNX for full event queues. ;) |
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| 16:20.56 | levi | Well, what's probably happening is a priority problem, where a high-priroty task is hogging the system, preventing the process that's supposed to be pulling these events from the queue from doing so. |
| 16:21.14 | levi | But that's just a guess. |
| 16:22.12 | levi | Real-time scheduling can be a bear when dealing with priority problems. |
| 16:31.26 | sjansen | ~seen elg |
| 16:31.28 | ibot | elg <~fugalh@out1-1601fw.corp.tfbnw.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 3d 17h 48m 16s ago, saying: 'sappy'. |
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| 16:48.02 | levi | Heh, apparently the source code I'm looking at is newer than the version I'm running. The error message in this source code for the error I'm tracing is much more informative. |
| 16:48.18 | levi | It also attempts to kill processes that aren't handling their interrupts. |
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| 17:16.54 | unum | if anyone knows anyone desperately looking for a job, I know somewhere desperalatly looking :) |
| 17:17.31 | unum | though unlike me, they need to be able to spell |
| 17:17.38 | unum | s/spell/type |
| 17:17.42 | unum | but that's the only requirement |
| 17:18.10 | levi | unum: You still working for a school district? |
| 17:18.27 | unum | levi: you have me confused with somebody else |
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| 17:18.38 | unum | I work for a company that runs phone centers |
| 17:18.46 | levi | Oh yeah, I was thinking of Migs. |
| 17:18.48 | levi | Sorry. :) |
| 17:18.50 | unum | for public opinion polling |
| 17:18.55 | unum | ya he works for weber |
| 17:21.10 | TodPunk | is looking for a job, but was also thinking about starting a call center, so probably isn't the best candidate =cP |
| 17:21.45 | TodPunk | and if spelling is the only requirement, it probably doesn't meet my salary requirements xD |
| 17:21.51 | unum | we'll give you three months worth of training :) then you can quit and start your call center |
| 17:22.03 | unum | though I guarantee it doesn't meet your salary requirements |
| 17:22.08 | JoshH | can i work on the side with consulting rates? |
| 17:22.15 | JoshH | and have a secretary |
| 17:22.36 | TodPunk | hahahaha, unum, my brother might be interested. Where and what is this job? |
| 17:22.42 | unum | you can work for someone else on the side and pay your own secretary :) |
| 17:23.01 | unum | TodPunk: it's in murray it's doing public opinion polls for politicians |
| 17:23.12 | TodPunk | how bad is the pay range? |
| 17:23.17 | unum | we need interviewers and supervisors |
| 17:23.24 | unum | the base pay is $7.50 |
| 17:24.19 | JoshH | that's less than taco bell pays |
| 17:24.19 | unum | that's what I've been thinking |
| 17:24.19 | JoshH | heh |
| 17:24.19 | unum | I was suprised they were offer that low |
| 17:24.19 | TodPunk | Really? Wow. We paid our guys $10/hr for a job that takes 2 days training to be proficient at (how to tell a customer no). |
| 17:24.29 | unum | I think we have about two days training |
| 17:24.34 | JoshH | in n out burger pays 10 or 11 |
| 17:24.56 | TodPunk | $7.50 is patently ridiculous. No offense. |
| 17:25.12 | TodPunk | No wonder they're desparately looking |
| 17:25.22 | unum | I've been thinking the same thing since I saw the posting |
| 17:25.39 | unum | they problem is that they're used to operating in college towns |
| 17:25.49 | TodPunk | We were in provo... |
| 17:25.51 | unum | there's a reason we closed down the salt lake call center |
| 17:25.59 | unum | TodPunk: ever live in logan? |
| 17:26.13 | TodPunk | no, but I've been there, and I have some friends there. |
| 17:26.16 | JoshH | sounds like whoever is running the place and/or setting the pay needs a reality check |
| 17:26.58 | JoshH | is it some old and stubborn person who talks about how they made 50 cents a day in 1920? |
| 17:27.04 | unum | I made $7.30/hour six years ago and was making more money than all the non computer people I knew |
| 17:27.20 | unum | JoshH: same person that runs our two other call centers |
| 17:27.41 | unum | though I think the fact that we've only had 3 people apply may be a wake up call |
| 17:27.45 | unum | :) |
| 17:27.50 | TodPunk | unum: do they own the company or something? |
| 17:27.56 | unum | junior owner |
| 17:28.00 | JoshH | i guess if their whole is to hire the same kind of people who might be baggers at reams |
| 17:28.04 | JoshH | err, goal |
| 17:28.11 | JoshH | but i bet even baggers make more than that |
| 17:28.22 | TodPunk | Maybe the senior owners should fire him, hire me, and get the company running more realistically and efficiently =cP I'm cheap! |
| 17:28.45 | unum | we already have two full staffed and function call centers |
| 17:28.55 | unum | been at it for 15 years |
| 17:29.06 | TodPunk | yeah, somehow |
| 17:29.10 | JoshH | i understand that all people need to do is call someone and read a list of questions without falling asleep or drooling too much |
| 17:29.32 | JoshH | so it's about targeting to those people, and makign them pick your company instead of whatever else pays that low |
| 17:29.51 | TodPunk | (pro tip: nothing else pays that low) |
| 17:30.18 | unum | a competitor has a posting right below ours... same rate |
| 17:30.24 | JoshH | do minimum wage jobs even exist anymore? |
| 17:30.29 | TodPunk | I think my point still stands. |
| 17:30.30 | unum | http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/mar/1897188944.html |
| 17:30.41 | TodPunk | Ahahahahahahahaha, you're posting on craigslist |
| 17:30.49 | unum | I actually know a lot of people with out skills who are having trouble finding jobs |
| 17:31.02 | unum | TodPunk: where would you post for this type of job? |
| 17:31.16 | unum | that's our competitors posting not ours |
| 17:32.01 | JoshH | you have to be educated, innovative, articulate, timely, clean, and over 18. and be willing to take 7.50 |
| 17:32.07 | TodPunk | The only kinds of companies that post on craigslist are people that are too cheap or ridiculously unprofessional to post more targetted ads in other places. Things like the college job board if you're giong for college students. |
| 17:32.09 | JoshH | ya, i don't see a huge pool of willing applicants out there |
| 17:32.16 | unum | http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/mar/1897371357.html |
| 17:32.17 | unum | that's us |
| 17:32.38 | JoshH | TodPunk: i dunno if i agree with that, systems/network has plenty of stuff ranging from scam to quite good |
| 17:32.57 | unum | we are very cheap, I'm not sure how to answer the professional issue |
| 17:33.05 | unum | we are not looking for professionals |
| 17:33.14 | unum | some of our best employees have been high school drop outs |
| 17:33.24 | TodPunk | "Beginning Monday August 16th, apply in person between the hours of Noon & 8:00 PM at:" <--- Not even screening resumes? "This guy can't spell his name, we won't waste our time on him." |
| 17:33.53 | unum | at $7.50 on hour? |
| 17:33.56 | unum | screening resumes |
| 17:33.59 | TodPunk | yes |
| 17:34.01 | unum | for what? |
| 17:34.10 | JoshH | just hire some homeless people from the shelter |
| 17:34.12 | TodPunk | the basic barrier to entry |
| 17:34.19 | JoshH | if they weren't the lazy kind, they would probably like that money |
| 17:34.23 | JoshH | it's not like they have to pay bills |
| 17:34.36 | unum | we don't even expect people to have had a previous job |
| 17:34.57 | unum | we don't really expect them to be able to put together a resume |
| 17:35.07 | unum | this is a minium wage job, there's an application |
| 17:35.13 | unum | that's how it was when I worked retail |
| 17:35.20 | TodPunk | if you HAVE no barrier to entry, even being able to spell their name correctly, you've just lost the "We know what we're doing" game. (No, just because something "works for us" doesn't mean it's a good way to go) |
| 17:35.35 | TehLaser | My wife's actually looking for a part-time unskilled job just now. |
| 17:35.48 | unum | JoshH: most people in homeless shelters have serious mental illnesses, admittedly we have low standards but they need to be able to keep track of time |
| 17:35.49 | TodPunk | McDonalds has a barrier to entry, called an application, that you have to be able to fill out. |
| 17:36.04 | unum | TodPunk: that's what we have |
| 17:36.07 | unum | an application |
| 17:36.11 | unum | they come in and fill it out |
| 17:36.15 | unum | just like mcdonalds |
| 17:36.21 | TodPunk | ok, then you ARE collecting resume's, just moulded to your format |
| 17:36.22 | TehLaser | She refuses to do telemarketing, but survey would be fine. |
| 17:36.30 | sjansen | unum: You're a horribly person for working for a company that doesn't provide dental, a pension, and cocoa butter massages to all employees. |
| 17:36.35 | unum | TehLaser: send her over |
| 17:36.39 | JoshH | unum: please don't tell me they drug test |
| 17:36.42 | unum | I think the job will only last until the election |
| 17:36.42 | TehLaser | She's got serious scheduling constraints though. |
| 17:36.46 | unum | JoshH: of course not |
| 17:36.52 | unum | we'd have to fire everyone in eugene |
| 17:36.53 | JoshH | heh, nice |
| 17:37.03 | TodPunk | xD |
| 17:37.09 | unum | TehLaser: evenings, she needs to be availiable evenings |
| 17:37.21 | TehLaser | yeah, that won't work. |
| 17:37.27 | unum | sjansen: the sad thing is I actually agree..... |
| 17:37.32 | TehLaser | she can do days (except thursdays) or weekends. |
| 17:37.35 | TehLaser | Not evenings. |
| 17:37.46 | unum | that won't work then |
| 17:37.53 | unum | we call people when they're home :) |
| 17:38.10 | unum | I know we do some day work but I don't think we plan on doing any out of this location |
| 17:38.59 | TehLaser | oh well. I hope she can find something. |
| 17:39.37 | TehLaser | Not much out there for "part time, no benefits, minimum wage, and no schedule flexibility" just now. |
| 17:42.26 | unum | it's funny how many resumes we got when we were offering $10 |
| 17:42.40 | unum | but we were taking those online didn't make people come all the way down here |
| 17:44.03 | TodPunk | call center work isn't really sought after, so the attractor tends to be wages and usually has to be higher than other work of similar caliber. You can get MUCH better employees for that, though. |
| 17:44.46 | unum | the attractor is that we're hiring people with out skills or experience |
| 17:44.58 | JoshH | but so does fast food |
| 17:45.00 | JoshH | which pays more |
| 17:45.35 | JoshH | if you meet the qualifications that competitor ad listed, basically just personality traits, you can walk into arbys and get a shift manager job or something for probably 10+ |
| 17:45.39 | unum | well we'll see |
| 17:45.53 | JoshH | i think walmart pays more than that too |
| 17:46.00 | unum | I've never worked for or looked at a job in fast food so I don't know |
| 17:46.26 | JoshH | could the environment be a selling point? like extremely laid back, several minutes between calls to read a book or play wow, etc? |
| 17:46.27 | unum | ya, walmart does pay more if you can get it |
| 17:46.43 | JoshH | or do the supervisors walk around hassling everyone |
| 17:47.00 | unum | there's no playing wow |
| 17:47.16 | unum | you're expected to be in your seat and making calls |
| 17:47.21 | unum | but you can wear shorts :) |
| 17:47.27 | unum | no drugs tests |
| 17:47.33 | TodPunk | unum: unskilled labor jobs are all over except in very small towns. Logan does not count as very small. |
| 17:47.56 | unum | TodPunk: I worked a job for $7.30 an hour in logan and considered my self well paid |
| 17:48.04 | unum | admittedly convergys paid $8.30 |
| 17:48.24 | Migs | my first job I had in high school paid about $15/hr |
| 17:48.28 | unum | I can't remember what the companies that did surveys paid, but it wasn't much more than $7.50 |
| 17:48.31 | TodPunk | your perception may have been so, but people settle all the time. This does not mean the entire job market is defined by their perception. |
| 17:48.48 | JoshH | convergys was payign 10 in murray in 1999 |
| 17:48.57 | Gate | TodPunk: it is if enough people settle for that |
| 17:49.13 | unum | ok, I'm sorry. you know more about the pay in logan(a town where you have never lived) than I do (even though I lived there for seven years) |
| 17:49.31 | unum | I really thought we were paying more when we had a call center here |
| 17:50.04 | TodPunk | unum: amazingly enough, market data is freely available regardless of your physical proximity to that market |
| 17:50.11 | unum | TodPunk: you are also welcome to build your own call center compete with us and put us out of business |
| 17:50.34 | TodPunk | I'd rather not do political surveys. I think you're safe. |
| 17:50.35 | sjansen | unum: Have you learned your lesson yet? |
| 17:50.43 | unum | so what is the average pay for part time unskilled work in logan utah? |
| 17:50.54 | TodPunk | depends on the industry. Call centers? One sec. |
| 17:51.27 | unum | sjansen: never talk to anyone with punk in their nick? |
| 17:52.17 | Gate | One of the best things that happened to me in college was a call center turning me down for a job. |
| 17:52.18 | sjansen | Never mention a job opening that is less than ideal or you will be personally branded a sociopath and terrorist. |
| 17:52.41 | unum | I'll have to remember that |
| 17:52.42 | TodPunk | I don't believe anyone has branded unum either one |
| 17:53.03 | unum | I know a lot of people looking for a job, any job |
| 17:53.13 | unum | so I thought people in here may be in the same position |
| 17:53.24 | unum | I guess they don't hang out with the same people I do |
| 17:53.29 | JoshH | i think 'less than ideal" isn't really accurate in this case. we're not attacking unum, just completely blown away that such a pay rate is being offered in this day and age, with the expectation that anyone will come |
| 17:53.43 | sjansen | You thought member of #utah might deign to apply for a call center job?! |
| 17:53.50 | Gate | sjansen: no, the sociopathic terrorist label is all yours |
| 17:53.51 | sjansen | We're the elite! We use IRC! |
| 17:54.05 | sjansen | s/elite/3133+/ |
| 17:54.10 | unum | sjansen: no I thought their little brother in high school might want one |
| 17:54.20 | unum | or maybe their sister in law |
| 17:54.26 | sjansen | unum: You have insulted our honor and for this you must be punished! |
| 17:54.34 | sjansen | ~punish unum |
| 17:54.34 | ibot | ACTION forces unum to install and use Windows |
| 17:54.54 | Gate | JoshH: I know plenty of people who would take it. Uneducated and largely skill-less, and dirt poor since the construction market down here imploded |
| 17:55.05 | TodPunk | unum: according to salary.com entry level customer service representatives make anywhere between 24k and 34k on average, and indeed.com agrees with the 24k assessment |
| 17:55.10 | JoshH | Gate: but, in murray? |
| 17:55.18 | Gate | That I can't speak to |
| 17:55.22 | Gate | in St. George |
| 17:55.23 | unum | that's supposed to be for logan |
| 17:55.45 | unum | that's for full time employement |
| 17:55.48 | unum | that's not what I asked |
| 17:56.01 | JoshH | salt lake county is inundated with call centers and other unskilled work perfect for people who just got out of high school and just need a temporary paycheck |
| 17:56.18 | TodPunk | it is for logan, actually |
| 17:56.25 | JoshH | this current posting is? |
| 17:56.35 | TodPunk | no, the data I just posted |
| 17:56.40 | JoshH | oh |
| 17:56.41 | TodPunk | 84321 |
| 17:57.00 | JoshH | we're basically the call center capital of america |
| 17:57.11 | JoshH | america's very own bangalore or manila, if you will |
| 17:57.17 | TodPunk | I think Nebraska has us beat per capita |
| 17:57.21 | JoshH | except with no accents |
| 17:57.52 | goozbach | I started work at a call center long ago... |
| 17:58.00 | JoshH | i believe the ebay call center might be the only one in town that actually requires "some college" |
| 17:58.09 | goozbach | selling HGH and Timeshares |
| 17:58.14 | unum | goozbach: did you start at $12 an hour? |
| 17:58.23 | goozbach | I was only on the phones for abt 3 hours |
| 17:58.39 | goozbach | started at $7.50/hr |
| 17:58.57 | unum | but you could have worked fast food for more than that!!!!! ;) |
| 17:59.00 | JoshH | so if you had that, it would take you more than an hour to earn a combo meal from wendys |
| 17:59.00 | TodPunk | unum: since it's been inferred by someone else, I'd like to clarify that I have no negative opinion of you. I think your perception of the job market is skewed, but that's certainly not unusual for any of us. I have a cynical (as opposed to negative) view of your employer, but that is also not unusual. |
| 17:59.24 | goozbach | then when they hired me as the sysadmin I got bumpped to $8.00/hr and was guaranteed 80 hours per paycheck (simple salary) |
| 17:59.38 | sjansen | unum: You have compensate for inflation. When goozbach was working for a call center, $7.50 was about $25 in today's prices. |
| 18:00.01 | goozbach | sjansen: the minimum wage was still at $5.00 back then |
| 18:00.05 | goozbach | so you're probabally right |
| 18:00.18 | TodPunk | (For reference, I started at an arcade when I was 17 at $7.25/hr in San Jose) |
| 18:00.27 | sjansen | And dinosaurs were still roaming the valley! |
| 18:01.32 | unum | I myself was suprised by how low the base rate was, but we'll see |
| 18:01.42 | sjansen | goozbach was promoted to sysadmin after heroically slaying a dragon beneath the data center that had been demanding goats as tribute. |
| 18:09.09 | levi | What makes Utah so great as a call center location? |
| 18:10.38 | Gate | levi: cheap labor, clear american accents |
| 18:10.47 | goozbach | levi: people willing to work for pennies! |
| 18:11.04 | unum | it's true |
| 18:11.11 | Gate | Wow, someone is actually trying to hack me via IRC |
| 18:11.16 | unum | of course a lot of high school and college students |
| 18:11.35 | unum | we dispanded our salt lake call center though because the market was too competive |
| 18:11.41 | unum | had to pay too much to get good people |
| 18:11.56 | JoshH | Gate: and lots of young people |
| 18:11.59 | tarrant | Gate: chuck_? |
| 18:12.14 | Gate | yep |
| 18:12.45 | tarrant | I'm a little confused in why he is calling his keylogger startkeylogge... seems a bit obvious. |
| 18:12.49 | Gate | tried to send me some sort of keylogger file, which is hilarious |
| 18:13.07 | Gate | Could just be a joke, but probably just a script kiddie |
| 18:15.07 | sjansen | ~lart xen |
| 18:15.07 | ibot | takes out xen with the trash |
| 18:15.26 | TodPunk | Utah seems to have a lot of people that are good at talking to other people too. You can't go to a place like LA and get the raport you get in Utah for some reason. |
| 18:15.46 | TodPunk | that's just my experience, anyway |
| 18:16.43 | Gate | Utahns are generally polite and most manage to complete basic education without getting arrested |
| 18:17.11 | JoshH | TodPunk: i actually find california people to be quite easy to start conversations with, but everyone's experience is different |
| 18:18.11 | TodPunk | JoshH: I meant more from a customer service perspective. Granted, there are good people in CA as well, they just don't tend to be call center people. They get expensive out there. |
| 18:18.16 | Gate | JoshH: But are you talking to the strata of people who would accept minimum wage? Eat in a burger king in east LA for my point to become clear. |
| 18:18.57 | JoshH | i'd rather just hang out at the beach |
| 18:19.38 | JoshH | and eat some good mexican food |
| 18:20.33 | TodPunk | I miss Baja Fresh |
| 18:21.31 | TodPunk | It's totally time for lunch. |
| 18:21.36 | JoshH | it was above average for chains |
| 18:21.45 | JoshH | i'm really craving some good mexican food right now |
| 18:21.56 | unum | I couldn't believe how bad the service was at chains in new york |
| 18:22.20 | JoshH | i have some cash today, maybe i'll hit the taco cart on 2nd south |
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| 18:26.17 | Gate | Cafe Rio :) |
| 18:27.23 | tarrant | If you live down in American Fork area check out el mexiquense |
| 19:13.56 | sjansen | thanks his lucky stars for Vim's :earlier |
| 20:04.01 | elg | curses |
| 20:04.06 | elg | i seem to have forgotten my gpg passphrase |
| 20:04.45 | jsmith | elg: Ouch... did you make yourself a revocation certificate just in case? |
| 20:05.08 | elg | I think so, but I'm still hoping the passphrase will come to me |
| 20:05.21 | elg | it was my login password as well for a long time. It shouldn't be fully purged from my memory |
| 20:05.25 | goozbach | elg: try "12345" |
| 20:05.33 | elg | might take a couple days to swap back in though |
| 20:12.27 | sjansen | elg: try "iwanttobelikesjansen" |
| 20:13.23 | elg | my wife remembered it. how embarrasing. it was "sjansenwisheshewereme" |
| 20:20.31 | eightyeight | ~lart rhn |
| 20:20.31 | ibot | flings poo at rhn |
| 20:20.41 | jsmith | elg: You scared him off! |
| 20:20.47 | eightyeight | ~kill rhn |
| 20:20.47 | ibot | ACTION shoots a ionized quark gun at rhn |
| 20:20.49 | elg | truth hurts |
| 20:21.05 | eightyeight | ~pulverize rhn |
| 20:24.35 | TehLaser | Utah also has a large proportion of bilingual youngins with little work experience who can be quite valuable to call centers. |
| 20:25.21 | TehLaser | Though calling Utah-speak unaccented may be a bit of a stretch. :) |
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| 20:25.37 | fugue88 | We have preddy mounains. |
| 20:25.47 | redbeard_work | sssh, everyone, he's back |
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| 21:51.05 | Migs | http://www.openrise.com/lab/FlowerPower/ |
| 21:52.01 | Migs | purrrrrrrrrrrrrrdy |
| 22:04.23 | unum | I don't understand why, but I want a plug computer |
| 22:19.56 | unum | so I have a stream of lines coming in to the command line and I want to drop all the lines before a certain point |
| 22:20.04 | unum | it seems like I should be able to do this with sed |
| 22:21.53 | fugue88 | unum: How is the certain point determined? |
| 22:22.13 | unum | a blank line |
| 22:22.20 | unum | or <!DOCTYPE |
| 22:22.38 | fugue88 | sed might be able (I don't know) but awk might be easier. |
| 22:22.50 | unum | sed seems to do one line at a time |
| 22:22.56 | unum | I've never used awk |
| 22:23.24 | fugue88 | It's a little weird, kinda like C but with real strings, and a lot of scriptiness. |
| 22:23.43 | fugue88 | Something like this might do the trick: |
| 22:23.55 | fugue88 | { if(go) { print $0 } } |
| 22:24.16 | fugue88 | /(^$)|(<!DOCTYPE)/ { go=1 } |
| 22:24.29 | fugue88 | Think that's it... |
| 22:24.57 | fugue88 | 1st line is always executed, but checks if go is true. $0 is the current line. |
| 22:25.14 | fugue88 | 2nd line only executes for lines that match the regex between the /'s. |
| 22:27.23 | unum | that worked perfect |
| 22:27.24 | unum | thanks |
| 22:27.30 | fugue88 | Awesome. |
| 22:27.31 | fugue88 | Welcome. |
| 22:27.37 | sjansen | unum: sed '/DOCTYPE/,${p}; d' test.txt |
| 22:28.04 | fugue88 | Sweet love. I still understand only like 20% of sed. |
| 22:29.01 | unum | that worked to |
| 22:29.16 | unum | I'm still such a unix neophyte |
| 22:29.23 | fugue88 | Aren't we all. |
| 22:29.26 | fugue88 | :) |
| 22:32.44 | unum | this whole set up seems kind of perverse |
| 22:32.51 | unum | but it was the easiest way to do it |
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