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| 13:08.10 | bonez2046 | any mac users? I have a friend I am trying to help discover IRC of all things.. she runs a mac, and I don't: I need to know a few of the best mac irc clients to have her try out |
| 13:08.14 | bonez2046 | suggestions? |
| 13:09.44 | infowolfe | bonez2046, are you/her technically savvy enough to build a project from github? |
| 13:10.21 | infowolfe | if no, then colloquy's probably "best", otherwise, i'd suggest grabbing xover's branch of xchat-aqua off of github |
| 13:11.36 | infowolfe | there's another one that was written by a frenchman, but it's got some pretty serious security issues |
| 13:11.46 | infowolfe | (and i don't remember it's name at the moment) |
| 13:11.54 | infowolfe | ... Linkinus <= do not use |
| 13:14.25 | infowolfe | oh, and while i'm thinking about it, adium (gaim/libpurple im client) supports irc |
| 13:14.56 | bonez2046 | infowolfe: I am not a programmer.. just was hoping to find a chat client with a link that I could pass along to her |
| 13:15.23 | infowolfe | bonez2046, i'm not a programmer either, that doesn't mean i'm incapable of using build tools to compile software |
| 13:15.43 | bonez2046 | infowolfe: I told her to check out mIRC, not realizing, not being a mac user that mIRC didn't ahve or doesn't have a mac client |
| 13:15.48 | infowolfe | im/irc client: http://adium.im/ |
| 13:16.06 | infowolfe | irc client: http://colloquy.info/ |
| 13:16.09 | bonez2046 | infowolfe: this friend of mine is not a technical type. she just needs a link, go here, do this.. and it's running ok.. |
| 13:16.17 | bonez2046 | I'll check out colloquy for her |
| 13:16.19 | infowolfe | i just gave you 2 |
| 13:16.34 | bonez2046 | thank you, checking them now |
| 13:25.54 | bonez2046 | not running a mac myself, adium looks like the one I'd choose.. |
| 13:26.27 | bonez2046 | I am happy to stick with irssi on my linux box |
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| 13:33.25 | infowolfe | bonez2046, colloquy's probably going to be a better choice if she likes to customize... adium'll be a bit less userfriendly when it comes to irc concepts |
| 13:33.43 | infowolfe | goes back to hacking on xchat-aqua |
| 13:39.48 | eightyeight | meh |
| 13:40.27 | eightyeight | bonez2046: give her a shell, screen and irssi, install xterm for her, and show her ssh |
| 13:40.32 | eightyeight | should be simple enough |
| 13:40.37 | eightyeight | :) |
| 13:42.08 | bonez2046 | eightyeight: this is a technophobe we are talking about.. just get in and drive.. she's not about getting under the hood |
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| 13:43.57 | bonez2046 | it needs to be EASY for her to download, install and connect to freenode or any other network, in minutes.. I can't just run over to her office and set this up for her |
| 13:44.47 | eightyeight | then bonus, because you would be doing all the work on the remote server. she just needs xterm. :) |
| 13:44.59 | eightyeight | besides, if she's connecting to irc, she isn't exactly a technophobe |
| 13:45.35 | bonez2046 | she HAS NEVER CONNECTED TO IRC yet.. |
| 13:45.45 | bonez2046 | I am trying to help her join the party |
| 13:45.46 | eightyeight | no need to shout |
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| 13:52.27 | bonez2046 | OH, sorry, didn't mean to SHOUT. |
| 13:52.53 | bonez2046 | she has yet to visit irc.. that's the point. I am trying to find the easiest way for her to join us here |
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| 16:03.38 | eightyeight | JoshH: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/abiword/+bug/591503 |
| 16:03.47 | eightyeight | JoshH: related to your issue? |
| 16:09.38 | eightyeight | anyone here a mutt user? |
| 16:10.13 | sinuhe | raises his hand |
| 16:10.49 | eightyeight | sinuhe: do you know why mutt sometimes doesn't draw the status bars completely when behind gnu screen? |
| 16:11.10 | eightyeight | it seems to happen most often when reading a message |
| 16:11.14 | sinuhe | I typically use mutt from within screen and don't remember that behaviour. |
| 16:11.40 | sinuhe | 1.4 or 1.5? |
| 16:12.28 | eightyeight | checks the version |
| 16:13.27 | sinuhe | (I custom compiled mine, 1.5.) |
| 16:13.43 | eightyeight | 1.5.20 |
| 16:13.50 | sinuhe | Debian? |
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| 16:14.48 | eightyeight | yes |
| 16:15.25 | sjansen | goozbach: So I installed Nexenta yesterday to see if OpenSolaris hardware support had gotten better... Holy identity crisis, Batman. |
| 16:15.42 | sinuhe | eightyeight: Could it be an ncurses thing? |
| 16:15.42 | eightyeight | heh |
| 16:15.55 | eightyeight | sinuhe: dunno. how would i check? |
| 16:16.51 | goozbach | sjansen: now so? |
| 16:17.01 | goozbach | s/now/how/ |
| 16:17.39 | sinuhe | eighteight: Check the version of ncurses it's built against (ldd?) and see if there are any bugs with that version. Also, is the behaviour the same froma text terminal? Could it be a sizing thing with the terminal emulator you're using? |
| 16:17.58 | sinuhe | s/eight/eighty/ |
| 16:18.03 | eightyeight | sinuhe: i wondered about sizing |
| 16:18.14 | sjansen | goozbach: RH version of Grub. Claims to be Debian based. Appears to be more Ubuntu based. Seemingly random collection of Linux and Solaris tools. |
| 16:18.18 | sinuhe | eightyeight: Just thinking out loud. Maybe it'll give you an idea. |
| 16:19.57 | eightyeight | sinuhe: someone in #mutt seems to think that it's the fact i'm setting TERM manually, and he's chastizing me for doing so |
| 16:20.01 | goozbach | sjansen: it's the opensolaris kernel, running ubuntu userspace, with RH grub and a "anaconda-like" installer |
| 16:20.19 | sinuhe | eightyeight: Locale? Screen has a -U option for UTF-8 support; Xterm also has options to configure UTF-8 support. |
| 16:20.37 | goozbach | but it's a cool product workability wise |
| 16:21.09 | sinuhe | eightyeight: Do you get the same problem outside of screen? |
| 16:21.16 | eightyeight | sinuhe: locale is utf-8, and utf-8 characters display fine. that wasa separate problem that i recently fixed |
| 16:21.39 | eightyeight | sinuhe: haven't tried outside of screen. hold for a sec |
| 16:22.46 | eightyeight | sinuhe: nothing immediately. i'll keep running it out of screen, and see if i see it come back |
| 16:24.32 | sinuhe | eightyeight: If you're typically in X, set a menu to launch mutt in a separate terminal (xterm -e). |
| 16:25.01 | eightyeight | i'm in windows using putty |
| 16:25.07 | sinuhe | Ah |
| 16:26.41 | sinuhe | eightyeight: putty has several custom settings for size, font, appearance, translation, keyboard, etc. that might affect how mutt draws the screen. |
| 16:27.23 | sinuhe | eightyeight: (Translation defaults to Latin 1, not UTF-8) |
| 16:27.28 | eightyeight | it does seem to be that i'm hard-setting TERM in my .zshrc. when in screen, 'echo $TERM' does not show 'screen-256color-bce' like it should |
| 16:31.43 | eightyeight | i guess i have more learning to do, but so far, no problems |
| 16:32.03 | eightyeight | hardcoding TERM in a shell rc file is a no-no |
| 16:32.53 | sinuhe | eightyeight: I have mine set in my .profile. TERM=linux |
| 16:33.12 | eightyeight | sinuhe: what is the advantage of that? |
| 16:33.36 | eightyeight | sinuhe: i think there is never a good reason for it, as the terminal emulator should be setting it based on it's capabilities |
| 16:38.14 | sinuhe | eightyeight: For the very reason that I want a consistent interpreting. linux is the kernel default. If my terminal switches to something else, it causes inconsistency that hasn't worked for me. Once I set linux several mis-behaviours went away. |
| 16:39.01 | eightyeight | and if your terminal emulator doesn't support 'linux', what then? shouldn't you have a heuristic for that? |
| 16:39.09 | eightyeight | (again, i'm just learning here) |
| 16:40.07 | sinuhe | eightyeight: Configure an override in your application. I remember this with the Emacs shell. |
| 16:43.49 | sinuhe | eightyeight: screen also does this by default. :) |
| 16:47.03 | eightyeight | all i care about is getting 256 colors working |
| 16:47.24 | sinuhe | eightyeight: If you want it to self-determine you could use 'tset -sQ "$TERM" |
| 16:47.32 | eightyeight | i guess you have to tell screen explicitly to use 256 colors, otherwise it defaults to the 8 |
| 16:47.43 | eightyeight | or 16, or whatever |
| 16:48.30 | sinuhe | eightyeight: For instance 'eval `tset -sQ "$TERM"` in your rc file. |
| 16:49.21 | eightyeight | well, i'm going to fly for a bit without setting TERM, and see what issues arise, and how to work with them |
| 17:01.31 | sjansen | I don't know what is a bigger pile of crap, OpenSolaris e1000 auto-negotiation, or the command I have to try and fix it. |
| 17:02.20 | JoshH | why would be using such a pile of crap os? |
| 17:05.42 | eightyeight | sjansen: what command do you have? |
| 17:06.35 | sjansen | eightyeight: That's the problem. I've narrowed it down to "something involving dladm" and "probably using set-linkprop". |
| 17:06.50 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:07.07 | eightyeight | sjansen: and why did you install opensolaris to begin with? |
| 17:07.29 | sjansen | To play with a non-Linux iSCSI implementation. |
| 17:07.39 | eightyeight | ah |
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| 17:30.37 | fungus | sjansen, it could be worse. It could be Solaris. |
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| 18:12.56 | eightyeight | ~onjoin elg eightyeight: ping re: facebook chat and google reader |
| 18:12.56 | ibot | ok, eightyeight |
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| 20:11.24 | TehLaser | anyone look for aurora last night? |
| 20:15.30 | jsmith | didn't |
| 20:15.37 | TodPunk | it was kind of cloudy last night... |
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| 20:45.08 | eightyeight | ~onjoin -elg |
| 20:45.08 | ibot | eightyeight: ok |
| 20:45.42 | eightyeight | elg: has facebook implemented the ability to change your status with using a 3rd party client yet? |
| 20:47.01 | eightyeight | elg: also, i noticed that facebook removed google reader shared items integration. why? |
| 20:47.36 | elg | what shared items integration? |
| 20:48.03 | elg | there are many platform apps that can change status |
| 20:48.05 | elg | e.g. twitter |
| 20:48.12 | eightyeight | when i shared items on google reader, i could have a link show the item |
| 20:48.16 | elg | nothing preventing one that happens to also talk e.g. xmpp |
| 20:48.45 | elg | i don't know one way or another if we have any plans to support any specific external way to update status other than what we have (sms, email, fb itself) |
| 20:48.56 | eightyeight | it wasn't changing status |
| 20:49.10 | elg | sounds like something that google would have implemented with our api |
| 20:49.22 | elg | the question may be, why did google pull it? and the answer may be rather apparent. |
| 20:49.26 | eightyeight | it was similar to "joe liked this link" "foo commented on bar's status" |
| 20:49.53 | eightyeight | elg: it was in your site, along with friendfeed, your blog, etc |
| 20:49.59 | eightyeight | basically, it was pulling rss feeds |
| 20:50.08 | eightyeight | didn't require an app |
| 20:50.18 | elg | google reader is the app |
| 20:51.04 | eightyeight | stories posted by You: flickr, digg, delicious, yelp, pandora, .... google reader.... |
| 20:51.38 | elg | i may be confused because i don't use googler eader and don't know my way around it, you may need more specific links |
| 20:51.41 | elg | or details |
| 20:52.28 | eightyeight | ok. well, what about facebook chat? can i set my status to away with pidgin, or some other jabber client? |
| 20:52.31 | elg | i know i have it set up to pull my blog via rss to post to fb notes |
| 20:52.46 | eightyeight | yeah. i have that setup as well |
| 20:54.11 | elg | i haven't rigorously tried it, but I have noticed that chat doesn't honor my adium away status. whether that was a passing bug, is a current or permanent limitation, or what I don't know. |
| 20:54.24 | eightyeight | ok |
| 20:54.36 | elg | i notice there's no way to set yourself away with the fb chat in the web interface either |
| 20:54.41 | elg | currently |
| 20:55.12 | eightyeight | doesn't it timeout to away after 5 min of inactivity, or something? there are friends who are currently away right now... |
| 20:55.39 | elg | I think it's likely the limitations to how we implement xmpp stem from technical difficulties of supporting both xmpp and the web interface simultaenously |
| 20:55.49 | elg | yeah, I think there's inactivity away. |
| 20:56.27 | eightyeight | in the web interface chat, what's the difference between "Friends" and "Other Friends" in the contact list? |
| 20:56.55 | elg | do you have a friend list named "Friends"? |
| 20:57.06 | elg | I think "Other Friends" is those who aren't in a specific list |
| 20:57.10 | eightyeight | yes. it currently only has one contact |
| 20:57.18 | eightyeight | oh, i see |
| 20:57.26 | eightyeight | the "frind lists" |
| 20:57.28 | eightyeight | nm |
| 20:59.57 | elg | i need to revamp my friend lists |
| 21:00.11 | elg | I have 17 :) |
| 21:01.42 | sjansen | ~friend elg |
| 21:01.57 | elg | sjansen: you would only make it onto 3 lists |
| 21:02.18 | elg | maybe 4. |
| 21:03.18 | sjansen | ~wake ibot |
| 21:03.19 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on ibot and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 21:03.37 | elg | I could make a special list just for you if you like |
| 21:04.12 | sjansen | ibot: friend $target is <reply> see also: ~lart $target |
| 21:04.12 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 21:05.18 | eightyeight | that's it? i expected something more witty |
| 21:05.28 | sjansen | ~friend eightyeight |
| 21:05.29 | ibot | see also: ~lart eightyeight |
| 21:05.42 | sjansen | ~lart eightyeight |
| 21:05.42 | ibot | send killer squirrels to attack eightyeight |
| 21:05.56 | eightyeight | ~defend eightyeight |
| 21:05.57 | ibot | ACTION jumps in front of eightyeight, taking all insults, violence and anything else negative thrown toward eightyeight so that eightyeight may live on in peace and quiet |
| 21:12.30 | eightyeight | http://skunkpost.com/news.sp?newsId=2937 |
| 21:14.35 | elg | ~smack sjansen |
| 21:14.36 | ibot | ACTION smacks sjansen upside the head. |
| 21:39.58 | eightyeight | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Po64G72gQo |
| 21:46.04 | Gate | Wow, awsome |
| 21:47.26 | sinuhe | ~lart eightyeight |
| 21:47.26 | ibot | hits eightyeight with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
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| 21:47.52 | eightyeight | ~shoot sinuhe |
| 21:47.53 | ibot | ACTION shoots sinuhe in the eye with a spitwad! |
| 21:48.15 | sinuhe | ~postingurlswithoutdescriptionlart eightyeight |
| 21:48.24 | sinuhe | ~noodle eightyeight |
| 21:48.25 | ibot | ACTION smacks eightyeight with a wet noodle. *splut* |
| 21:48.58 | eightyeight | ~poo sinuhe |
| 21:48.59 | ibot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at sinuhe |
| 22:22.17 | levi | Bye bye, Google Wave. |
| 22:23.09 | ^Migs^ | no more google wave? |
| 22:23.22 | ^Migs^ | awwww |
| 22:24.04 | ^Migs^ | Google Wave kind of sucked anyway |
| 22:24.26 | TodPunk | (It didn't DO anything) |
| 22:24.30 | levi | Well, they're no longer developing it as a standalone product. |
| 22:25.11 | levi | Sure it did stuff. Just like email and IRC do stuff. |
| 22:25.47 | levi | The problem with releasing a new chat protocol is reaching critical user mass. |
| 22:26.22 | levi | Gotta have people to chat with, or it's not very useful. |
| 22:27.06 | eightyeight | i thought it was cool for collaboration. didn't have much use for me as a chat/email client |
| 22:27.20 | eightyeight | but, it looks like they're shutting down the servers at the end of 2010 |
| 22:27.30 | levi | If they had integrated it with gmail somehow like google chat is, or if facebook implemented it, there might have been a better response to it. |
| 22:27.43 | eightyeight | agreed |
| 22:28.13 | eightyeight | i would imagine many of the individual features will find their way into various google products |
| 22:28.14 | TodPunk | That's my point though. Even if you got a bunch of people together, it was like, "OK... now what?" The idea was great, but it didn't solve any REAL problems, just imaginary ones. The real issues it covered already have solutions, or nobody cares enough about them. |
| 22:28.15 | levi | Walling it off without linking it to current social contacts was a really dumb move. |
| 22:29.01 | eightyeight | i wonder if they xmpp extensions will find their way into any xmpp servers |
| 22:29.01 | ^Migs^ | Google hasn't really had any big hits in quite awhile |
| 22:29.16 | eightyeight | i disagree. voice is a solid hit |
| 22:29.20 | eightyeight | as is chrome |
| 22:29.23 | TodPunk | Voice would be nice if I could use it for anything. |
| 22:29.32 | ^Migs^ | even in my class, the instructor wanted to use Google Wave to see if we could do anything with it, but none of my classmates even cared enough to try |
| 22:30.01 | TodPunk | The idea that it can ring multiple phones is kind of lame to me. That's probably it's best "sale" feature for most people I know that actually use it. |
| 22:30.16 | eightyeight | oh, i love the spam feature |
| 22:30.28 | eightyeight | and the calling different numbers based on date/time and caller id |
| 22:30.31 | levi | Oh, it solved real problems. I'm sure people would love aspects of it if they were integrated into their blog, or into facebook, etc. But by itself, there wasn't much of a draw. |
| 22:30.49 | eightyeight | i dig the integrated 411 too. use that a ton |
| 22:30.49 | levi | I love the ringing of multiple phones. |
| 22:31.16 | eightyeight | i use the conference calling, but i'm frustrated that they've limited it to 4 callers |
| 22:32.01 | ^Migs^ | why does every new product have to be tied to blogs and Facebook in some way? |
| 22:32.17 | eightyeight | i don't like that i have to call my voice number, then call the number i wish to reach, if i want the voice caller id to show on their phone |
| 22:32.20 | levi | Because those represent our social networks. |
| 22:32.29 | ^Migs^ | maybe YOUR social networks |
| 22:32.34 | TodPunk | I'm pretty sure it doesn't, but your audience won't care if it's not if they also happen to be your average consumer. |
| 22:32.46 | levi | Well, those aren't the *only* social networks. |
| 22:32.52 | levi | Your email contact list is another one. |
| 22:32.55 | ^Migs^ | I'm a die-hard Orkut user |
| 22:33.09 | levi | Wave didn't even bother to integrate with that. |
| 22:33.10 | TodPunk | you and all the other 12 year old Brazillian kids. |
| 22:33.10 | eightyeight | did you see the vonage app for iphone and android? free vonage calls to other app users |
| 22:33.22 | ^Migs^ | Exactly |
| 22:33.54 | ^Migs^ | oo, here's a social network just for churches: http://www.mychurch.org/ |
| 22:33.56 | eightyeight | hmm. something about ^Migs^ agreeing to hanging out on a social site with 12 year old kids bothers me |
| 22:34.08 | elg | where else will ^Migs^ fill his quota for meeting new brazilian teen girls? |
| 22:34.13 | levi | If all gmail users suddenly had waves appear on their main gmail page, people might have used them to share media stuff. |
| 22:34.42 | ^Migs^ | levi: Funny that no one at Google thought of that. |
| 22:35.06 | levi | Well, I'm sure they did, but who knows why they didn't take that path? |
| 22:35.20 | eightyeight | i'm sure it was thought of, just might not meet the goals the gmail team has |
| 22:36.06 | TodPunk | I still don't think they would have. I had about 8 people TRYING to use it for ANYthing, and it was just amounting to "I do this via email, this via chat, this via desktop sharing, that via chat, hmmm" |
| 22:36.44 | eightyeight | i used it with my wife to collaborate on dinner menus and vacation ideas |
| 22:36.49 | eightyeight | that was about it |
| 22:37.18 | TodPunk | See, I do that with my mouth, projecting audible cues to her from across the room. It's kind of covered without the app. |
| 22:37.39 | eightyeight | hmm. i can't talk loud enough to carry my voice 40 miles. i'll work on that |
| 22:37.56 | TodPunk | In all seriousness, texting, email, and IRC cover that for us just fine. |
| 22:38.13 | levi | I'm not suggesting that everyone would have suddenly started using it, but I think it might have helped quite a bit. |
| 22:38.33 | elg | I tried to use it, but with no external notifications it fell on its face. |
| 22:38.52 | elg | I am not adding another poll interface to my life. |
| 22:39.01 | levi | We're not exactly representative of the average internet users. |
| 22:39.16 | TodPunk | Some of the folks I had trying it with me were |
| 22:39.46 | elg | we do share the common denominator though: email |
| 22:40.03 | ^Migs^ | email is lame. I use pigeons. |
| 22:40.05 | elg | email is I think the one thing you can count on for internet users in general |
| 22:40.13 | eightyeight | email and im |
| 22:40.25 | elg | if it doesn't at least have the option of tying into email, you're not playing serious |
| 22:40.36 | elg | a lot of people use im, but there is a significant chunk that don't |
| 22:40.49 | levi | I dunno, I keep hearing that email usage is dwindling. |
| 22:40.50 | eightyeight | definitely |
| 22:40.50 | elg | they have email, but no im. and of course they have web browsers though they may not use them much. |
| 22:41.02 | elg | i bet it is, but it's still a core |
| 22:41.24 | elg | i bet tv usage is dwindling but if you think tv isn't a core of american life you're smoking something. |
| 22:42.26 | eightyeight | i'm curious of the rate of abandonment. i doubt it's anything significant |
| 22:42.34 | eightyeight | for both email and tv |
| 22:42.53 | eightyeight | maybe 1% annually? |
| 22:43.29 | levi | I think email is being abandoned (or not adopted) much faster than TV. Being replaced by cell texting and web social apps like facebook. |
| 22:43.35 | elg | probably related to generational change |
| 22:43.48 | elg | kids using phones and watching youtube videos mostly |
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| 22:44.39 | eightyeight | my brother told me that email is too slow. he doesn't have the time to pull up a browser, and login |
| 22:44.57 | eightyeight | send him an sms, or call |
| 22:44.58 | elg | he's doing it wrong |
| 22:45.09 | elg | :) |
| 22:45.13 | elg | he means webmail is too slow |
| 22:45.44 | eightyeight | well, he's your average internet user |
| 22:46.19 | elg | the extent to which email is too slow for the average internet user is that the average internet user isn't in front of a computer most of the time. |
| 22:46.30 | eightyeight | exactly |
| 22:46.32 | TodPunk | email IS too slow. If you expect someone to get an email within 24 hours, you're using the wrong medium. |
| 22:46.34 | levi | webmail is too slow, and email is mostly spam and crap random people forward to you. |
| 22:47.20 | elg | TodPunk: that depends on context |
| 22:47.40 | elg | business email, 24 hours is an eternity |
| 22:47.58 | elg | maybe like 1 hour (during hours) |
| 22:48.11 | elg | though there's no shortage of people who think email is instantaneous and if it's not it's broken. |
| 22:48.16 | elg | in the business world |
| 22:49.13 | eightyeight | i live in front of my email, and i know what he's talking about |
| 22:49.31 | eightyeight | 2 days ago, i sent an email to a professor about this fall at the U. he still hasn't responded |
| 22:49.51 | elg | yeah, normal internet users you expect a couple days before they may read it. professors, a couple weeks. |
| 22:49.55 | eightyeight | he's just not one that checks his email regularly |
| 22:49.56 | elg | esp. professors of CS. |
| 22:50.17 | elg | and as it goes to the limit, you get knuth. |
| 22:50.45 | TodPunk | elg: their expectation doesn't matter. IF you need something urgently, you call. If it's a lot of info, you email and then call ABOUT the email or something. Assuming someone will get that email is stupid on your part, not the email receiver. |
| 22:50.46 | eightyeight | however, i bet if i had his cell, and sent him an sms, i would probably have gotten a reply immediately, or rather quickly |
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| 22:51.28 | levi | eightyeight: If everyone who had his email address had his cell #, he'd probably ignore sms for a good while too. |
| 22:51.38 | elg | i absolutely agree. but nevertheless that's what I saw as a sysadmin |
| 22:51.40 | eightyeight | of course. i'm not suggesting that |
| 22:51.44 | elg | from my non-techie users. |
| 22:51.55 | elg | who were using lotus notes, to boot. which just exacerbated the problem. |
| 22:52.05 | TodPunk | I see it too. I see it bite a lot of people as well. |
| 22:53.12 | TodPunk | I especially love when I would get called to see if some email someone sent got delivered to another company correctly, because it had been an hour and they didn't get a reply yet. |
| 22:54.06 | eightyeight | on another note, i would email my boss, wait, send him an im, wait, then call, telling him to check his messages |
| 22:54.27 | eightyeight | it got to the point rather quickly when i knew email and im was not something i could rely on him for |
| 22:54.34 | eightyeight | sjansen likely knows exactly who i'm talking about |
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| 22:57.56 | elg | TodPunk: even more fun is when people come to you because the email someone sent from another company 5 minutes ago and then called on the phone hasn't arrived yet |
| 22:58.26 | TodPunk | and then you find out they're using exchange at the other end |
| 22:58.29 | elg | so you don't even have a first-hand account |
| 22:59.04 | TodPunk | Ah yes, the thunder returns. |
| 23:02.43 | elg | ~steal TodPunk's thunder |
| 23:02.44 | ibot | ACTION grabs TodPunk's thunder and gives it to elg |
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