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| 02:00.16 | levi | "iGroan/iBad app store"? Really, RMS? |
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| 20:09.51 | *** topic/#utah is logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | Ring side seats in the fight between pinko-fascism and anarcho-nazism. |
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| 20:17.34 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | Happy Sys Admin Day |
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| 20:31.01 | elg | sjansen: you shouldn't have gobs of money in a savings account anyway |
| 20:31.24 | elg | a few months (3, 6, 12, whatever your flavor) of necessary expenditures |
| 20:32.09 | elg | on top of that, invest in more lucrative places |
| 20:32.45 | JoshH | Gate: what kind of bugs? |
| 20:35.28 | TodPunk | I don't think I could ever live in an apartment cheaply. I don't like roomates. |
| 20:36.26 | JoshH | i could live in an apartment cheapER |
| 20:36.29 | JoshH | but only a little |
| 20:36.31 | elg | obviously cheaply is relative |
| 20:36.33 | JoshH | and i hate apartments |
| 20:36.42 | JoshH | always used to worry that some idiot in the building would start a fire |
| 20:36.47 | elg | living in an apartment all by yourself is gobs cheaper than renting a house for 5 people. |
| 20:37.51 | TodPunk | I definitely couldn't do apartments now. I have 4 kids. That would be ridiculous. |
| 20:37.53 | elg | c'mon. someone give me another reason to use the word gobs |
| 20:38.08 | rsimpkins | Okay you perlish hackers out thar. How do I do non-blocking joins with ithreads on a system that does not support threads->list(threads::joinable) ? |
| 20:38.28 | rsimpkins | Is my only option to upgrade? |
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| 21:55.02 | Gate | JoshH: the roaches died after I sprayed but the damned crickets from hell keep invading |
| 21:55.27 | JoshH | crickets? what area? |
| 21:55.36 | Gate | St George |
| 21:55.40 | JoshH | i haven't seen a cricket around a house since my stint in texas |
| 21:56.01 | TodPunk | had a few crickets at his Orem house for about 3 weeks |
| 21:56.06 | TodPunk | SO annoying |
| 21:56.07 | Gate | They are a torrent here, and they laughed off the poisin |
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| 22:15.07 | eightyeight | sjansen: http://lwn.net/Articles/398191/ |
| 22:17.32 | sjansen | huh |
| 22:18.20 | sjansen | I'm torn. It's good to see Canonical stepping up like that. At the same time, it's kinda too bad they're still wasting their time on AppArmor after Novell abandoned it. |
| 22:19.27 | JoshH | didn't novell abandon it forever ago though? |
| 22:21.03 | Migs | at least forever ago |
| 22:21.21 | eightyeight | seems it was about 2 years ago, iirc |
| 22:21.45 | Tene | why exactly is ubuntu pushing apparmor instead of giving real support to selinux? |
| 22:21.46 | eightyeight | september 2007 |
| 22:22.13 | eightyeight | Tene: it's less complex and easier to learn than selinux |
| 22:22.28 | Tene | 'k |
| 22:28.40 | TodPunk | Don't they kind of strengthen each other in the whole, A blocks B's main workaround and B blocks A's main workaround? |
| 22:29.31 | eightyeight | TodPunk: i don't know if apparmor provides any additional protection that selinux wouldn't, nor do i know that it would be secure against an selinux vulnerability |
| 22:30.08 | eightyeight | selinux seems to me to be much more feature rich and security complete than apparmor, but i haven't looked at it too closely |
| 22:32.49 | eightyeight | but, even though novell laid off the inital dev team, it appears they are still doing active development with it, and the code is hosted on novell servers. canonical also seems to be very active with the development, for obvious reasons |
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