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| 05:50.39 | Gate | JoshH, goozbach, eightyeight: I am christian, hear Matthew 5:18 roar. |
| 05:51.02 | Gate | notably, that opinion puts me at odds with most of the christian denominations. |
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| 17:02.25 | tarrant | So besides bacula + webmin, any good centeralized backup systems? |
| 17:04.11 | rsimpkins | tarrant: rsync is good enough fur me. ;-) |
| 17:05.25 | jsmith | likes rdiff-backup |
| 17:06.02 | eightyeight | uses rsync |
| 17:07.17 | macnewbold | tarrant: i like rsnapshot - built on rsync |
| 17:08.54 | jsmith | rdiff-backup is built on rsync as well |
| 17:10.35 | tarrant | Any easy way to tie rsnapshot to also backup your mysql servers at the same time? |
| 17:11.07 | tarrant | or just do a cron dump every day and have rsnapshot backup the dump? |
| 17:11.10 | levi | Gate: So, what does it mean to 'fulfil' the law in your interpretation? |
| 17:28.11 | eightyeight | tarrant: i just rsync the db itself. why bother doing a dump, and backing up the dump, if you have direct access to the db? |
| 17:28.20 | eightyeight | db file, that is |
| 17:29.52 | levi | Heh, for you BYU students and alum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ArIj236UHs |
| 17:30.18 | levi | And for Muppets and/or classic synthesizer fans: http://www.youtube.com/v/B7UmUX68KtE |
| 17:30.51 | fugue88 | I know that if you backup postgresql database files directly, you will probably have a lot of inconsistency. Although the newer versions' repair abilities may alleviate that to some extent. |
| 17:31.22 | fugue88 | But then again, if you're using mysql, you must not care about consistency. ;) |
| 17:33.00 | fugue88 | (That's if you backup while the db server is running, of course.) |
| 17:33.36 | eightyeight | of course |
| 17:34.12 | eightyeight | if the db is written to consistently, then that could be a worry, but doing a dump while the db is still up could introduce incosistencies also |
| 17:34.58 | eightyeight | i like that with oracle, as you can use rman to perform the backup, and during that time, any writes go to cache, until the operation completes, then updates the db |
| 17:35.01 | fugue88 | pg_dump while the db is up is safe. |
| 17:35.31 | JoshH | doesn't mysqldump lock the tables for safety? i don't do a whole lot of database stuff though |
| 17:35.40 | maquis | pg_dump is how i've always done it, but mine's not exactly... uh... mission critical :) |
| 17:36.04 | fugue88 | pg_dump and psql are way better than anything oracle has, imo. |
| 17:36.09 | tarrant | So as I suggested just run a pg_dump/mysqldump and then backup the resulting file? |
| 17:36.21 | fugue88 | tarrant: +1 to that. |
| 17:36.41 | eightyeight | my db isn't that active |
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| 17:57.15 | Gate | levi: as I see and understand it Jesus took the place of the sacraficial laws, thus "fulfilling them" |
| 17:57.27 | Gate | they aren't gone or dead or eliminated, he took their place. |
| 17:58.24 | fugue88 | Or, took the place of the sacrifices under that law? |
| 17:58.42 | Gate | That is what I meant, but I guess not what I said... |
| 17:59.43 | JoshH | tarrant: backuppc (rsync based) is pretty amazing imo. |
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| 19:11.41 | levi | Gate: Well, I thought that was the conventional Christian understanding of things. I wasn't sure what you were saying, so I asked for clarification. |
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| 21:13.20 | Gate | levi: it seems "conventional" to believe/understand that the laws and ordinances from the old testament are defunct. I do not share that point of view and I think the sermon surrounding Matthew 5:18 (the sermon on the mount) is the perfect example for showing that is not the case |
| 21:13.53 | JoshH | doesn't the old testament say it's ok to have slaves? |
| 21:14.17 | Gate | The old testament lays out rules for dealing with them and limiting it, as I recall |
| 21:14.18 | JoshH | (and lots of other crazy things) |
| 21:16.13 | Gate | JoshH: the US government and popular opinion believe in slavery, they call it "correctional detention" and won't actually let them work. |
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| 21:22.26 | Gate | levi: I believe the point of view which refers to the new testament as having "replaced" the old is dispensationalism, which holds that each of the dispensations is held to a fundamentaly different set of laws. Its very popular. |
| 21:31.10 | JoshH | henry hertz hobbitt has to be autistic or something similar |
| 21:31.24 | JoshH | there's no other explanation for that kind of post |
| 21:31.46 | stderr | it certainly has an air of Asperger's. |
| 21:32.02 | JoshH | ya, asperger's is what i was thinking of actually |
| 21:32.10 | JoshH | not sure why i said autism |
| 21:32.21 | stderr | ... because Asperger's is a form of autism? |
| 21:32.30 | JoshH | heh, it is? |
| 21:32.33 | stderr | yessir. |
| 21:32.42 | JoshH | guess i was right either way then |
| 21:34.17 | stderr | What an incredible name, though |
| 21:39.07 | rsimpkins | is the Utah Open Source Planet gone forever? |
| 21:39.37 | rsimpkins | Oh, it has mvoed. I need to update links. |
| 21:43.26 | JoshH | i didn't know any planets were still around |
| 21:44.10 | fugue88 | They're all planetoids nowadays. |
| 22:22.24 | blendmaster1024 | wow, people still use this channel sometimes |
| 22:31.38 | mrpull | JoshH: if i was a wee bit meaner i'd submit HHH's email rants to the Linux Hater's Blog. I'd enjoy reading him getting flamed. |
| 22:31.46 | mrpull | but i'll be nice |
| 22:37.48 | stderr | He needs a hug. |
| 22:38.07 | stderr | after he gets put in a straitjacket. |
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