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| 15:07.15 | sjansen | http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/07/13/foreign-fleet-fine-findings-fault-fat-feet/ |
| 15:07.25 | sjansen | Somebody deserves an award for that title. |
| 15:35.19 | Migs | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/b8604dd6-a7d3-4056-98c4-ec156819cb84.jpg |
| 15:59.28 | maquis | elg: what's up with facebook providing people's phone numbers? |
| 15:59.49 | maquis | it looks an awful lot like they're harvesting them from people's phones? |
| 16:01.15 | elg | ? |
| 16:01.39 | maquis | elg: account -> edit friends -> phonebook |
| 16:01.47 | maquis | how'd people's phone numbers end up there? |
| 16:01.55 | elg | people put them in their profile |
| 16:02.16 | elg | and there's a privacy setting for who can see it |
| 16:02.24 | maquis | i know some people who say they never gave facebook their phone numbers, but they are there |
| 16:02.41 | maquis | and there's something in the "help" text about some being imported from phones |
| 16:02.42 | elg | they probably use the texting service |
| 16:03.01 | elg | to use text alerts, you tell fb your phone number and it sends you a text. or you text fb from your phone |
| 16:03.06 | maquis | and... why doesn't facebook default the privacy settings to "don't display"? |
| 16:05.18 | elg | defaults have to be something |
| 16:05.44 | elg | why doesn't amazon default to not tracking my browsing history? |
| 16:07.31 | maquis | amazon doesn't default to showing your browsing history to everyone you've said is a "friend" |
| 16:07.39 | maquis | there's a difference there |
| 16:08.00 | elg | of course there is |
| 16:08.18 | elg | what's not different is that I have no more to do with (nor insight) into it than you have over amazon's policies. |
| 16:08.20 | maquis | my problem is that facebook defaults to showing certain things to other people |
| 16:08.42 | maquis | elg: i understand that... but i'm just trying to understand the reasoning |
| 16:09.30 | elg | I don't understand what's so odd about providing a list of phone numbers that people have entered into their profiles for their friends to see |
| 16:09.34 | maquis | it's really starting to irk me quite a bit that I feel like I have to check facebook's privacy settings every week to see what they've added that I need to turn off. |
| 16:09.39 | elg | if you don't want to share your phone number, you don't put it in your profile |
| 16:10.01 | elg | there haven't been any privacy changes. there is nothing new here, that much I know |
| 16:10.23 | maquis | elg: From what I've seen from people, some of them did not intentionally add it in and have no idea how it got there. |
| 16:11.21 | maquis | they never intended to make it visible to others, and are suddenly discovering that the information is available |
| 16:11.33 | eightyeight | maquis: are their numbers also delisted from the public phone company? |
| 16:11.51 | maquis | eightyeight: I don't know about these people, but I know a lot of people who are |
| 16:11.55 | eightyeight | i mean, the phone book automatically adds numbers, unless you explicitly tell them not to |
| 16:12.07 | elg | http://www.facebook.com/#!/settings/?tab=privacy&ref=mb |
| 16:12.11 | maquis | my parents have remained unlisted for as long as I can remember |
| 16:12.17 | elg | it's right there. "phone numbers and addresses" |
| 16:12.19 | maquis | elg: yeah... I went and changed it all |
| 16:12.25 | elg | and the default is friends only |
| 16:12.37 | eightyeight | so, it would seem hypocritical to me, to complain about facebook showing your number to friends, but not the phone company showing to to random strangers |
| 16:12.41 | maquis | but when I looked a month or two ago, I didn't see that option |
| 16:12.53 | eightyeight | s/to to/it to/ |
| 16:12.58 | elg | that page hasn't changed since the privacy overhaul |
| 16:13.08 | maquis | elg: hmm... i don't know, then. |
| 16:13.12 | maquis | i guess i must be blind :) |
| 16:13.26 | elg | if you are, your friends may be too. I know I am. :-) |
| 16:13.48 | maquis | anyway, i was just a bit startled to see that people i know are finding this information available to people, when they have no idea how facebook ever got it. |
| 16:13.56 | maquis | elg: aren't we all |
| 16:14.06 | sjansen | elg: Admit it, your CEO is the great white satan. |
| 16:14.25 | maquis | anyway, i'm going to go crash for a bit. callie's teething, and i haven't been getting any sleep |
| 16:14.46 | elg | sjansen: then I'd have to sacrifice you to appease the volcano |
| 16:15.48 | sjansen | elg: Hmmm, I dunno. Gonna be kinda hard to fit in this week. I'm going camping for the weekend starting tomorrow. |
| 16:15.57 | sjansen | Could we do it next week perhaps? |
| 16:16.04 | elg | perfect, you could go camping on the volcano |
| 16:16.14 | elg | and then we throw you off just before the end. I'll break camp for you |
| 16:17.35 | elg | I for one would be curious how FB or any other website (except maybe AT&T or your cell provider's) would manage to (reliably) harvest people's phone numbers, especially mobile numbers that aren't listed in telephone directories. |
| 16:19.26 | goozbach | don't people provide their cell phone numbers to do mobile updates? |
| 16:19.47 | elg | right, that's one form of "giving facebook your phone number" |
| 16:26.27 | Migs | this is awesome: http://viprhealthcare.typepad.com/files/lady-gaga-ft.-beyonce-vs.-metallica---enter-telephone-djs-from-mars-club-rmx.mp3 |
| 17:08.46 | Migs | awww yeah http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1253863/ |
| 17:09.02 | Migs | "Filmmaker Zack Snyder is set to revisit ancient history and is planning a sequel to his hit war film 300. And even though his star Gerard Butler was killed off in the first film, the Watchmen director has every intention of bringing the Scottish actor back." |
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| 19:27.01 | unum | http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/dont-act-so-surprised-your-highness-star-wars-on-the-subway/ |
| 19:33.36 | sjansen | perl perl perl |
| 19:33.46 | sjansen | ~ping fozzmoo |
| 19:33.47 | ibot | pong fozzmoo |
| 19:39.15 | goozbach | sjansen: you have to say "i invoke fozzmoo" or it doesn't work |
| 19:41.37 | sjansen | perl perl perl |
| 19:41.39 | sjansen | i invoke fozzmoo |
| 19:47.37 | JoshH | so my wife wants us to get smartphones now. having not researched them much, it seems that the evo 4g is clearly the best one. anyone have thoughts on that? |
| 19:47.46 | eightyeight | agreed |
| 19:48.24 | JoshH | do you have one, or just want it? |
| 19:49.26 | eightyeight | just want it |
| 19:49.30 | eightyeight | it's the holy grail |
| 19:49.47 | eightyeight | i just don't want to spend the monthly bill attached with it |
| 19:49.51 | JoshH | i wonder how sprint's coverage is in ruralish/mountain/camping parts of utah |
| 19:50.06 | JoshH | well it's definitely less per month than an iphone anyway |
| 19:50.21 | JoshH | but still pricier than our regular boring phones |
| 19:52.32 | goozbach | I want a new android phone, but I don't want to leave t-mobile |
| 19:52.36 | goozbach | what are my options? |
| 19:53.34 | eightyeight | goozbach: i think the nexus one is your best option |
| 19:58.34 | fadein | http://www.phdrinkingwater.com/alkalizing.php |
| 19:58.37 | fadein | This is the dumbest thing I've seen all year, and I'm saying this after having seen New Moon |
| 19:59.24 | goozbach | what if I tell you that I'm a big fan of hardware keyboards? |
| 20:01.22 | JoshH | you would probably want a blackberry or something for that, i think |
| 20:01.27 | JoshH | but their keyboards suck |
| 20:01.53 | eightyeight | goozbach: then you don't get the best android phone |
| 20:02.17 | tvc123 | goozbach: most of the T-mobile andriod phones right now are junk |
| 20:02.35 | tvc123 | goozbach: don't make the same mistake I did (I got a behold 2 because it was cheap) |
| 20:03.00 | tvc123 | Nexus is the way to go on T-mobile |
| 20:04.20 | JoshH | why do you want to stick with t-mobile? |
| 20:04.47 | unum | probably because it's cheap |
| 20:07.36 | goozbach | and the customer service is still decent |
| 20:07.54 | JoshH | and the charles barkley ads are nice |
| 20:08.25 | unum | I originally went with verizon because their ads annoyed me the least |
| 20:08.41 | fugue88 | I once saw a simple little CAD-like program on the XO. It let you bind objects to anchor points, just like normal CAD, then move things around and watch the whole drawing move. Anybody know its name? |
| 20:13.27 | fugue88 | Aha, the genre's called interactive geometry, and I think it's Kig that I saw. |
| 20:15.10 | fugue88 | winces at the kde dependencies |
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| 21:49.11 | sjansen | YARGGGHHHH!!! |
| 21:53.10 | jsmith | sjansen: That good, eh? |
| 21:54.09 | sjansen | I'm supposed to be taking vacation starting tomorrow. I was hoping to knock off early, not stay late fighting stupid, weird stuff. |
| 21:54.27 | sjansen | ~stab something |
| 21:54.27 | ibot | ACTION runs at something with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 21:55.12 | jsmith | sjansen: What'cha fighting? |
| 21:55.39 | sjansen | What'cha got? |
| 21:56.41 | levi | Ah, fighting stupid weird stuff. That's my life in a nutshell. :) |
| 21:57.25 | levi | fugue88: Sounds like a modern version of Sketchpad. :) |
| 21:57.48 | fugue88 | levi: In fact it is. Very fun! |
| 21:58.10 | fugue88 | levi: I'm making a sketch of this to see it in action: http://www.greencarreports.com/image/100316167_ecomotors-opoc-engine-diagram |
| 22:03.15 | eightyeight | what are the physical differences between cat5e and cat5? |
| 22:09.24 | fugue88 | eightyeight: From what I've read so far, 5e requires 4 conductor pairs be present, with cat5 you could get away with 2 pairs. |
| 22:13.48 | levi | fugue88: Huh, I just saw a post about that engine on a forum. Where'd you find it? |
| 22:14.28 | fugue88 | I don't remember, might have been news.ycombinator.com. |
| 22:14.32 | fugue88 | But maybe reddit. |
| 22:14.54 | fugue88 | levi: Ah, it was via yc. |
| 22:15.39 | tvc123 | eightyeight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_5_cable#The_Cat_5e_.E2.80.9C350_MHz.E2.80.9D_debacle |
| 22:15.49 | fugue88 | levi: Bill Gates is investing in the engine's company. "Who would ever need more than 2 opposing cylinders." ;) |
| 22:17.42 | levi | fugue88: Cat 5e is a cable spec, and Cat 5 and Cat5e have the same number of conductor pairs. |
| 22:18.56 | eightyeight | fugue88: but, both a cat5 and cat5e cable will have 4 twisted pairs. so, does that mean i can plug in a cat 5 cable into a cat5e port, and get cat5e specs down the cable? |
| 22:18.59 | levi | It's gigabit ethernet that requires 4 pairs vs 10-BaseT ethernet. |
| 22:19.33 | levi | eightyeight: I don't think you could distinguish cat5 and cat5e visually. |
| 22:19.58 | eightyeight | levi: no extra shielding, tighter twists, thicker awg? |
| 22:20.01 | fugue88 | Agreed. |
| 22:20.10 | jsmith | I thought it had to do with being able to pass higher-frequency signals |
| 22:20.15 | fugue88 | Much of the old cat5 cable is in fact 5e cmopliant. |
| 22:20.25 | fugue88 | *compliant |
| 22:20.47 | eightyeight | i know that cat6 has the longitudinal separator to reduce crosstalk, etc |
| 22:21.01 | eightyeight | and it uses 23awg vs 24awg in cat5e |
| 22:21.38 | levi | http://www.connectworld.net/syscon/support.htm |
| 22:22.20 | levi | It's all about the electrical properties of the cables, not their physical construction. Cat5e just upped the specs that they had to meet. |
| 22:23.03 | levi | Cat5e superseded Cat5. Cat5 is no longer a recognized standard of cable. |
| 22:23.18 | fugue88 | refuses to recognize cat5 as a cable standard |
| 22:23.26 | fugue88 | :) |
| 22:23.52 | eightyeight | so, just impedance, reactance, etc? that's it? |
| 22:24.15 | eightyeight | meh |
| 22:24.31 | levi | Yes, they just upped the minimum standards to make sure they worked with the gigabit spec. |
| 22:24.31 | fugue88 | capacitance is another, and don't meh capacitance! |
| 22:25.18 | levi | Don't meh any of the specs. There's some serious engineering that goes on in Ethernet PHYs, and it takes into account the specs of the cabling. |
| 22:25.18 | eightyeight | ok. i guess that works for me |
| 22:25.42 | fugue88 | No more lead-based cables, for one thing. |
| 22:26.09 | eightyeight | i was 'meh'-ing my comment. i meant to say "frequency, resistance, crosstalk and attenuation". don't know where impedance and reactance came from |
| 22:26.23 | eightyeight | anyway, good to know |
| 22:27.09 | levi | I mean, original ethernet went over thick coaxial cable at low speeds. The fact that we can get gigabit transfer speeds over thin unshielded twisted pair wires is pretty amazing. |
| 22:27.25 | fugue88 | No joke. |
| 22:27.25 | levi | It's all serious signal processing voodoo. |
| 22:27.43 | fugue88 | is *so* glad he doesn't have to run coax. |
| 22:27.49 | eightyeight | i respect my engineering overlords |
| 22:28.15 | tvc123 | http://ozguru.mu.nu/Photos/2005-07-20--Dilbert_Token_Ring.jpg |
| 22:29.07 | fugue88 | Classic. Seems like there were a couple of others in that series. |
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| 23:34.32 | rsimpkins | has been having fun certifying cat5e runs latley. |
