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| 01:23.02 | eightyeight | escape spaces? you mean in the shell? wouldn't that just depend on the shell you're using? |
| 01:23.14 | eightyeight | or am i failing to understand the question |
| 01:48.09 | Gate | Yeah, its program dependant, not OS |
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| 18:00.31 | linuxpoet | I was talking to the Utah Django Group and they suggested that this may be a better place to offer this. |
| 18:00.53 | linuxpoet | I was thinking about presenting a Dumb Simple PostgreSQL Performance talk at one of your meetings. THoughts? |
| 18:01.16 | goozbach | linuxpoet: the groups are always looking for presenters |
| 18:01.28 | goozbach | ping the plug list, the sllug list, and the UUG list |
| 18:01.33 | linuxpoet | Well, that is what one of the things I do |
| 18:01.38 | goozbach | you'll get a nibble I suppose. |
| 18:02.13 | eightyeight | don't forget oalug |
| 18:02.23 | eightyeight | if you're willing to travel to ogden, that is |
| 18:02.46 | goozbach | oalug! yeah oalug too |
| 18:03.06 | linuxpoet | Well I will travel wherever there is a need |
| 18:03.17 | linuxpoet | I would be traveling just to get to Utah |
| 18:03.52 | Migs | you should totally make the rounds all across northern Utah |
| 18:05.14 | elg | Migs will be your entourage |
| 18:05.35 | elg | now you just need some groupies |
| 18:05.39 | elg | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:05.39 | ibot | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags sjansen into court suing for $200 million |
| 18:05.57 | linuxpoet | uhhh |
| 18:06.04 | linuxpoet | If I am going to have groupies |
| 18:06.05 | linuxpoet | I want bars |
| 18:08.33 | eightyeight | ~sjansen elg |
| 18:08.34 | ibot | ACTION tells elg good things about sjansen |
| 18:09.44 | elg | we might be able to find some bars to put you behind |
| 18:10.25 | elg | isn't it a crime to use ACID in utah? |
| 18:10.42 | elg | disbelieves ibot |
| 18:12.01 | fugue88 | elg: Crime to use ACID in Utah? That's a bunch of CRUD. |
| 18:12.13 | elg | :-) |
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| 18:24.04 | levi | Man, I let Acrobat update itself, and now it has trouble with most of the PDFs I look at. :P |
| 18:25.52 | linuxpoet | wonders who uses acrobat to read pdfs |
| 18:26.15 | goozbach | preview doesn't work well with MS word generated PDFs |
| 18:26.43 | levi | wonders who makes smartass comments about who uses acrobat to read pdfs. |
| 18:26.49 | JoshH | i like evince |
| 18:26.57 | JoshH | but i actually use a linux workstation too |
| 18:27.14 | eightyeight | i use acrobat to read pdfs. can it read other formats? |
| 18:27.24 | linuxpoet | notes that levi must not have been reading the whole line because it clearly states that linuxpoet does |
| 18:27.32 | Gate | Anyone familiar with ShoreWall? |
| 18:27.44 | JoshH | Gate: i know enough to know to avoid it |
| 18:27.48 | levi | notes that linuxpoet must not have been reading whole lines either. |
| 18:28.03 | JoshH | and i've used it a tad on a couple servers where someone else installed it |
| 18:29.58 | Gate | I was just dumped on a linux box and I am trying to understand it. Is there a web interface or is it just another way of setting up config files? |
| 18:30.17 | unum | Gate: I've only seen config files |
| 18:30.24 | JoshH | ya |
| 18:30.26 | unum | in /etc/shorewall |
| 18:30.33 | unum | your rules file is the most important |
| 18:31.08 | Gate | sweet, thanks |
| 18:31.14 | unum | or maybe I should say is the one you edit the most |
| 18:31.26 | unum | us that file to add exceptions |
| 18:31.31 | unum | defaults are in policy |
| 18:31.46 | unum | routing kind of information is in interfaces |
| 18:32.31 | Gate | Awesome, that is enough understanding I think we can use the docs. :) thanks |
| 18:33.14 | unum | well let me know I haven't done any thing real advanced with it, but I've been using it for years |
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| 18:33.54 | Gate | Alright, I am not even sure how this fits in their network yet. |
| 18:34.02 | Gate | Or exactly what they want done. |
| 18:34.22 | JoshH | unum: do you guys use it quite a bit, or what? |
| 18:34.34 | unum | JoshH: I use it personally |
| 18:34.42 | JoshH | how can you tolerate it? |
| 18:35.13 | unum | it prevents from having to learn iptables ;) |
| 18:35.33 | goozbach | iptables isn't hard!!!! |
| 18:35.35 | goozbach | grrrr |
| 18:35.38 | goozbach | :) |
| 18:35.39 | unum | JoshH: I don't know why you don't like other than a lack of familiarity |
| 18:35.46 | unum | goozbach: it's harder than shorewall |
| 18:35.54 | JoshH | unum: it's actually not, imo |
| 18:35.59 | goozbach | I guess I don't get how |
| 18:36.10 | JoshH | if you can look at a rule and know what it means, you understand iptables |
| 18:36.10 | goozbach | iptables -P input drop |
| 18:36.35 | unum | if you've already learned iptables I can see you not liking shorewall |
| 18:37.02 | goozbach | to truly understand shorewall, you must know iptables |
| 18:37.40 | JoshH | you probably know iptables better than you realize |
| 18:37.53 | unum | but why do I need to "truly" understand it? |
| 18:37.59 | unum | JoshH: I doubt it |
| 18:38.14 | unum | for instance I have no idea how to rate limit a port |
| 18:38.21 | JoshH | if you ever had to actually troubleshoot a firewall issue when the shorewall config looked good, you would need to understand it |
| 18:38.58 | unum | JoshH: that would mean I would be reading the shorewall config wrong |
| 18:39.08 | JoshH | if all you need to do is make sure a box only has 80 allowed, then you don't need to understand it |
| 18:39.10 | unum | because if the shorewall config is good the firewall is good |
| 18:39.27 | eightyeight | if you're not familiar with iptables, then how do you know you don't know it? |
| 18:39.32 | eightyeight | :) |
| 18:40.06 | unum | I'm familiar |
| 18:40.14 | unum | I've even taught a class :p |
| 18:40.33 | JoshH | was it at stevens henager? |
| 18:41.03 | unum | sorry class was the wrong word |
| 18:41.09 | unum | I did a short intro presentation for a lug |
| 18:41.14 | unum | about 7 years ago |
| 18:41.16 | JoshH | i wonder how the iptables classes at gurulabs are |
| 18:41.54 | goozbach | JoshH: don't think there's a class |
| 18:41.59 | eightyeight | JoshH: in the courses themselves, it really only covers the basics to medium config for the students |
| 18:42.12 | goozbach | but it is part of the GL275 as an intro to intermediate |
| 18:42.22 | JoshH | basics to medium are all 99% of people need |
| 18:42.26 | eightyeight | JoshH: however, there are notes for the instructors, and examples, that they can use as a more advanced example, if students show interest |
| 18:42.30 | goozbach | but it sets a base from which you can learn all the rest you need |
| 18:42.43 | eightyeight | like using the mangle table with marked packets |
| 18:42.49 | eightyeight | goozbach: indeed |
| 18:42.50 | goozbach | buhahaha! |
| 18:42.59 | goozbach | -m user .... |
| 18:43.04 | eightyeight | goozbach: there is the gl 510 and 550, which cover iptables a bit more |
| 18:44.06 | goozbach | the 550 was only in development when I was there |
| 18:44.20 | JoshH | are most guru labs students complete noobs, or already sysadmin types who just want more advanced knowledge, or is it about even? |
| 18:44.39 | goozbach | JoshH: a good balance |
| 18:45.08 | goozbach | I found the people who signed up for the GL250 usually over-estimated their level of systems expertise |
| 18:45.21 | goozbach | but the course is written to get them to that point when they are done |
| 18:45.22 | eightyeight | goozbach: same. even the 275 |
| 18:45.56 | eightyeight | goozbach: i taught the 550 twice, and both times, the students were very confident. same with the 615 |
| 18:46.07 | eightyeight | s/confident/competent/ |
| 18:46.21 | goozbach | for reference the courses go like follows 120, 250, 275, 510, 550.... |
| 18:46.45 | eightyeight | but it was the same with rh classes. students who were in the 133 and 253 shouldn't have been many, many times |
| 18:46.56 | eightyeight | even the 300 |
| 19:02.45 | Tene | I didn't see that very often. |
| 20:11.34 | levi | http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2010/07/08/128380385/sandwich-in-a-can |
| 20:12.17 | levi | A Utah fraud investigation and canned sandwiches all in the same story! |
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| 20:21.18 | sjansen | http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/07/12/1852210/Senators-Want-Big-Rocket-Instead-of-New-Tech-Commercial-Transportation |
| 20:21.28 | sjansen | *grumble* *grumble* *mutter* |
| 20:21.35 | unum | well of course they do |
| 20:21.41 | unum | because the big rocket will be built here |
| 20:21.51 | unum | hatch's entire campaign was that he'd bring home the bacon |
| 20:22.03 | unum | and the state of utah elected him based on that promise |
| 20:29.24 | Migs | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3SzmfZ6F24 |
| 20:36.38 | sjansen | ~poke elg |
| 20:36.39 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind elg, pokes elg repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 20:46.49 | fugue88 | Gratuitous felling of tress, hmm? |
| 20:46.56 | fugue88 | trees, even |
| 20:51.06 | sjansen | ~gratuitous fugue88 |
| 20:51.07 | ibot | ACTION rates fugue88 NC-17 for gratuitous and obscene Windows use |
| 20:54.38 | fugue88 | pleads innocent, he doesn't even *have* Windows binaries! |
| 20:57.24 | unum | I'll give you some of mine |
| 20:57.34 | unum | actually it's the dos binaries I'd like to get rid of |
| 20:58.45 | unum | the wordperfect 3.1 text editor for dos is having trouble editting files on mapped netware drives on windows 7 |
| 20:58.50 | unum | who would have thunk |
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| 21:53.48 | sjansen | unum: There's only one way to solve that issue. Give the user a good, firm slap every time the topic comes up. |
| 21:54.10 | Reilithion | bofh lives on... |
| 22:05.06 | eightyeight | heh. netware |
| 22:05.56 | eightyeight | didn't novell drop support 100% on any and all netware installs? |
| 22:06.36 | Migs | we got rid of our netware volumes for a reason |
| 22:07.41 | eightyeight | although i have zero experience with netware, i hear it was the betmax in the beta vs vhs wars |
| 22:08.19 | eightyeight | netbios+tcp was the vhs, and the clear winner |
| 22:08.46 | Reilithion | Better engineered but tragically displaced. |
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