| 00:00.24 | elg | we could go TP sco++'s house |
| 00:26.05 | tensai | ~float elg |
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| 02:25.15 | zzqa | so what was the Knuth news? |
| 02:25.23 | JoshH | didn't someone from this channel get a job at google? maybe it was jlp? |
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| 03:34.16 | bonez2046 | welcome scottj |
| 03:34.52 | scottj | thanks (bot?) |
| 03:35.45 | bonez2046 | bot? |
| 03:35.54 | bonez2046 | I am human being.. no bot here.. |
| 03:36.07 | scottj | wasn't sure :) |
| 03:36.24 | bonez2046 | oh.. well, be sure now, I am the real mccoy.. |
| 03:36.30 | bonez2046 | could or would a bot say that? |
| 03:38.11 | scottj | well if your creator was halfway decent he'd have trained you to deny being a bot :) |
| 03:38.37 | ldav15 | Turing would know what a bot would or would not say. Or would he? |
| 03:39.24 | bonez2046 | turing? |
| 03:40.40 | scottj | xsetroot -bg "#121212" -mod 3 3 |
| 03:40.40 | scottj | xbindkeys |
| 03:41.00 | scottj | opps, lame linux paste. mean to paste wikipedia turing test url |
| 03:44.59 | bonez2046 | ya lost me there |
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| 07:02.14 | bonez2046 | fugue88: after another round of updates and that z-axis problem seems to have disappeared |
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| 14:49.27 | bonez2046 | I need to scan a 2 page document, to email.. any suggestions on how to scan and be able to alter the contrast and brightness on the scanned images? |
| 14:50.03 | bonez2046 | I tried using xsane and simple scan, but neither allowed me to alter the images so that they are more readable |
| 14:53.02 | ^Migs^ | just use another program? |
| 14:53.13 | bonez2046 | ah, yes, but which one? |
| 14:53.13 | ^Migs^ | like gimp |
| 14:53.29 | ^Migs^ | or does it need to be all command-line based? |
| 14:53.33 | bonez2046 | two pages.. will gimp scan in two pages and let me tune it up? |
| 14:53.37 | bonez2046 | no, graphical is great |
| 14:53.54 | ^Migs^ | actually yes, gimp lets you scan |
| 14:55.20 | bonez2046 | ok.. |
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| 15:50.44 | jlp_work | JoshH: I was offered a job at google (twice, now). I didn't accept. They just didn't make the offer attractive enough. |
| 15:56.34 | levi | "Twilight's like soccer: They run around for 2 hours, nobody scores, and its billion fans insist you just don't understand." |
| 15:57.29 | SunSparc | You uncultured swine! |
| 15:57.31 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 15:58.33 | levi | I don't enjoy watching any sports. If that makes me uncultured, then so be it. :) |
| 15:58.43 | levi | I was not the originator of that quote, thus the quote marks. |
| 16:01.44 | jsmith | levi: Great quote! |
| 16:02.20 | goozbach | headline fail? http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/01/florida.police.shot/ |
| 16:02.42 | SunSparc | I should have put quotes around my unoriginal quote also. ;) |
| 16:03.44 | levi | jsmith: It was from William Gibson's twitter feed, but it was labeled as a retweet from some guy with a private feed. |
| 16:04.02 | jsmith | Gotcha |
| 16:09.40 | goozbach | want! http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/10/07/01/145234/Buy-Your-Own-Tron-Lightcycle-For-35000 |
| 16:10.26 | unum | so what was the big knuth announcement? |
| 16:13.36 | jsmith | unum: Must not have been that big |
| 16:14.21 | unum | didn't even make /. |
| 16:14.32 | JoshH | unum: very disappointing |
| 16:14.47 | JoshH | unum: i found this http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1115138 |
| 16:17.33 | unum | thanks |
| 16:26.37 | jlp_work | anybody here with an active security clearance interested in working for Raytheon in Maryland? |
| 16:26.48 | levi | Heh, poor geeks can't take a joke. |
| 16:27.03 | levi | Mmm, Maryland. |
| 16:27.21 | levi | I don't have an active security clearance, though. |
| 16:27.40 | levi | And that would make visiting my parents even more difficult. |
| 16:29.28 | JoshH | would they let me work with a laptop and wifi in california or oregon? |
| 16:29.41 | jlp_work | we need software engineers (Java, C++) with active TS/SCI and full-scope polygraph to work on a cool cybersecurity project |
| 16:29.47 | JoshH | and would it be building an army of robot soldiers that run linux? |
| 16:30.06 | jlp_work | JoshH: you would have to work in a secure facility... I think relocation to Maryland (Fort Meade area) would be required. |
| 16:30.25 | jlp_work | and I think the robot soldiers are being built here in Utah at Raytheon Sarcos |
| 16:30.32 | levi | Doesn't sound like any fun at all to me. :) |
| 16:31.12 | JoshH | i could picture myself doing that kind of work, depending on various factors |
| 16:31.20 | JoshH | but with java... |
| 16:31.21 | eggyknap | Eep... Raytheon. Blech :) |
| 16:31.22 | JoshH | eh |
| 16:31.43 | levi | Hmm, PS3 hardware is finally profitable for Sony. Time for a new system! |
| 16:31.50 | eggyknap | realizes Raytheon is a big place, and some of its people are quite competent; just not those with whom he has worked directly. |
| 16:32.18 | jlp_work | Raytheon is big. approximately 80,000 employees worldwide. |
| 16:32.53 | eggyknap | Yeah, and I'm trying not to let my experience with 8 or 10 idiots spoil my impression of all 80K. |
| 16:33.28 | jlp_work | I'm sure there are some duds in any organization. |
| 16:33.37 | eggyknap | agreed. |
| 16:34.10 | jlp_work | the only real drawback I've seen to working at Raytheon has been having to switch to Lotus Notes for e-mail. :-) |
| 16:34.14 | levi | http://community.livejournal.com/vintage_ads/2052553.html |
| 16:35.24 | levi | Working at a government contract shop, at least you have a secure customer base. :) |
| 16:36.19 | levi | From a nytimes.com article on the Droid X: "It.s easily the biggest app phone on the market. You feel as if you.re talking into a frozen waffle." |
| 16:55.25 | unum | ha |
| 16:55.50 | levi | Hmm, new Kindle DX. |
| 16:56.23 | levi | Now with increased contrast and zoomable PDF reader. |
| 17:12.59 | levi | Who is Henry Hertz Hobbit? |
| 17:15.06 | JoshH | i was thinking, what in the world did i just read on plug |
| 17:17.01 | tensai | levi: I don't know him but I summarily ignore any replies from him |
| 17:17.43 | goozbach | wow! that was interesting |
| 17:19.13 | levi | I can't imagine that's his real name. He just sort of appeared a little while ago with his security rants and logorrhoea. |
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| 17:23.38 | goozbach | http://www.securemecca.com/about.html "David Alexander Harvey (hereafter referred to as Henry Hertz Hobbit)" |
| 17:24.56 | levi | Ack, terrible non-hyphenating fully-justified text! |
| 17:27.09 | levi | They sound like a trio of weirdos. Did you see the "contact us" page? |
| 17:29.59 | fugue88 | +1 for use of logorrhea |
| 17:30.02 | fugue88 | :) |
| 17:35.28 | fugue88 | goozbach: Don't know what to make of that last para... |
| 17:36.34 | ^Migs^ | 'Enry the 'Ermit |
| 17:40.04 | fugue88 | goozbach: I think they're idiots. Or they've been hacked. securemecca.com resolves to a yahoo name, not 1and1. |
| 17:41.28 | goozbach | or it's some sort of paridy? |
| 17:41.56 | fugue88 | Yeah, maybe. |
| 17:43.37 | levi | I dunno, the securemecca.com site reads like HHH's emails. |
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| 18:01.52 | tensai | suspects it's sjansen in drag |
| 18:02.15 | sjansen | clearly missed something earlier |
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| 18:03.43 | goozbach | ohh you haven't missed it |
| 18:03.50 | goozbach | you've been in the middle of it |
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| 18:06.07 | sjansen | I'm sure I don't want to know. |
| 18:06.37 | levi | sjansen: It's about HHH. |
| 18:06.56 | sjansen | Ah. |
| 18:07.01 | sjansen | I had fun replying to him. |
| 18:07.41 | levi | Apparently tensai is suggesting that you *are* him. :) |
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| 18:08.45 | sjansen | Huh. What makes you think that, tensai? |
| 18:09.26 | sjansen | bets the theory is "it's been so long since the last flamewar that sjansen decided to manufacture one" |
| 18:09.58 | sjansen | A worthy theory, but even I'm getting tired of the pointlessness of flamewars. |
| 18:10.00 | tensai | don't try to deny it. I know you've got your purple wig on. |
| 18:11.05 | levi | Flamewars have always been pointless. |
| 18:11.15 | levi | That's never kept me from participating. ;) |
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| 18:24.59 | elg | heh. pediatrics office left a msg, to have us schedule a checkup for "byron" (brynn) |
| 18:25.27 | levi | That's what you get for giving your kids unusual names. ;) |
| 18:28.21 | elg | that one never occurred to me. :) |
| 18:28.51 | elg | jsmith: so does this mean more or less asterisking? |
| 18:28.56 | elg | and more or less traveling? |
| 18:29.17 | jsmith | elg: Less asterisking, and hopefully a bit less travel (though I'm not holding my breath) |
| 18:31.47 | sjansen | jsmith: Has anyone asked you the most important question? Do your new responsibilities mean more swag for #utah? |
| 18:32.06 | elg | dcc me some swag |
| 18:32.57 | jsmith | sjansen: That's the most important question to you? Sheesh... I thought you would come up with something better than that |
| 18:35.31 | sjansen | jsmith: Well, the most important thing I can think of is forcing the Evince developers to give us back a few stinking preferences options, but since I'm sure it's a lost 'cause even with your new super powers I decided not to even trouble you with it. |
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| 18:40.32 | Scothoser | Hello everyone! |
| 18:40.53 | levi | Hey, Scothoser. |
| 18:42.19 | Scothoser | Hey Levi. |
| 18:43.40 | sjansen | ~hose Scothoser |
| 18:43.41 | ibot | ACTION hooks into a hydrant and hoses Scothoser down. |
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| 18:45.54 | Scothoser | Thanks Stuart! In this warm weather, that would be welcome. |
| 18:47.21 | sjansen | Scothoser: How do you know my name? Are you stalking me? |
| 18:47.57 | sjansen | demands 24 hour police protect to keep Scothoser away from him |
| 18:48.12 | Scothoser | Let's just say we have a mutual friend. |
| 18:48.31 | JoshH | i like how simple evince is, but i never change anything other than the zoom level and maybe the side pane display |
| 18:50.58 | sjansen | Scothoser: That's just the sort of vague misdirection I'd expect from a stalker. |
| 18:51.33 | redbeard_work | wow. we gots us a stalker. |
| 18:51.55 | redbeard_work | uses his mental powers to find out who this stalker is |
| 18:52.13 | redbeard_work | Scothoser: i'm seeing a J here.. does your name start with a J? |
| 18:53.03 | sjansen | Scothoser: I suggest stalking redbeard_work instead. He's much more interesting, and his lunch will taste much better when you steal it. |
| 18:53.21 | redbeard_work | sjansen: already ate my lunch, so jeremy can't get to it |
| 18:53.23 | redbeard_work | er. Scothoser. |
| 18:53.28 | sjansen | Scothoser: We're both balding and bearded, so that'll make the transition easier for you too. |
| 18:54.01 | Scothoser | I don't know what you mean... er, it's simply a case of knowing.. I mean, anyone can see.. Uh, is that a massive blimp over there? *ducks* |
| 18:55.19 | unum | polymorphisim!!! |
| 18:56.48 | sjansen | http://whiskerino.org/2009/beards/redbeard2/7990/ |
| 18:57.07 | sjansen | See, redbeard_work is so awesome even hamburgers stalk him. |
| 18:57.31 | redbeard_work | sjansen: that was more like a chase, really |
| 18:58.37 | Scothoser | Well, one can't deny he may be a better target.. Anything to beat up a couple of burgers.. |
| 18:58.40 | sjansen | http://whiskerino.org/2009/beards/redbeard2/25112/ |
| 18:59.20 | redbeard_work | mmm, guarana... |
| 18:59.27 | sjansen | Visual proof that redbeard_work drinks guarana. As it happens, I'm drinking a guarana right now. |
| 18:59.38 | sjansen | See, we're practically the same person. |
| 19:00.20 | redbeard_work | sjansen: yeah, but do you keep a case or two in food storage at all times? |
| 19:00.34 | goozbach | redbeard_work: only two cases? |
| 19:00.35 | sjansen | thinks tensai missed the boat, clearly I've already invented an alter-ego and it's redbeard_work not HHH |
| 19:01.19 | redbeard_work | goozbach: i've largely switched to heritage dr pepper, throwback mt dew, and bundaberg ginger ale |
| 19:01.20 | sjansen | Come to think of it, has anyone ever seen redbeard_work and myself in the same room at the same time and lived to tell of it? |
| 19:01.30 | redbeard_work | sjansen: i have |
| 19:01.35 | redbeard_work | fwiw |
| 19:01.47 | sjansen | redbeard_work: that's just what i'd say |
| 19:01.49 | sjansen | fwiw |
| 19:01.50 | goozbach | ummm.... there may be photograpic proof... just a second |
| 19:01.53 | redbeard_work | hey, me too! |
| 19:02.09 | Scothoser | Spooky... |
| 19:04.33 | goozbach | well, maybe I'm wrong |
| 19:04.43 | goozbach | I thought sjansen was in this picture too: http://blog.friocorte.com/gallery/derek/josephhall-gooz.jpg |
| 19:04.59 | goozbach | it is a conspiracy, see |
| 19:08.11 | redbeard_work | see, you can't prove that redbeard_work and i are different people |
| 19:08.12 | sjansen | oops, ww |
| 19:09.52 | goozbach | I think they're(he's) editing my memories |
| 19:10.04 | goozbach | I clearly remember both of them there when the photo was taken |
| 19:10.16 | goozbach | maybe they're both figments of my imagination |
| 19:10.21 | redbeard_work | sed -i goozbach |
| 19:10.55 | goozbach | what is your bidding my master (end with EOF) |
| 19:10.58 | goozbach | ? |
| 19:13.29 | goozbach | input timeout exceeded, returning to consusness in 3 2 1... |
| 19:13.57 | goozbach | ... like I was saying, I had three bananas and two oranges, and redbeard_work and sjansen were fighting over them |
| 19:14.21 | redbeard_work | not me. i already have a lovely bunch of coconuts. |
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| 19:40.09 | scothoser | Ahh. Getting back to the command line for irc.. |
| 19:46.58 | JoshH | how else would you do it? |
| 19:47.58 | scothoser | Normally I would use xchat, but it's blocked from my firewall. So, now I'm using ircii on my web server. |
| 19:48.49 | JoshH | stupid firewalls |
| 19:49.11 | scothoser | Tell me about it. |
| 19:55.28 | tensai | scothoser: you could set up an irc proxy and tunnel your connection. that would let you use whatever client you prefer. |
| 19:56.12 | scothoser | I'm good with this method.. ssh into the web server. It's a good example to use in class when I advocate the command line for Mac admins. |
| 20:08.43 | sjansen | "And the best part is that from a distance you're boss will think you're working when you're actually chatting!" |
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| 20:13.12 | scothoser | sjansen: Exactl.. er, I mean, I suppose that's the case. ^_^ |
| 20:16.32 | scothoser | Wow.. A whole new view of the Narnia series just opened to me.. |
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| 20:56.12 | sjansen | lets fly a barbaric yodel |
| 20:59.28 | scothoser | sjansen: I didn't know barbaric yodels could fly, let alone be piloted.. |
| 21:01.32 | goozbach | scothoser: you would be supprised at what can fly given sufficent thrust |
| 21:01.44 | goozbach | but no one said anything about piloting |
| 21:02.01 | scothoser | goozbach: isn't that just falling with style? |
| 21:02.15 | fugue88 | Drones are easier to control than yodels. |
| 21:02.27 | scothoser | That I can believe. |
| 21:09.33 | sjansen | Okay here's a problem I keep coming back to today: |
| 21:10.17 | sjansen | A student takes a quiz. The students answers/responses/replies are saved to a file. |
| 21:10.40 | sjansen | What would you call a directory containing those files? |
| 21:11.04 | scothoser | sjansen: "Is that your final answer?" |
| 21:11.07 | sjansen | I don't like 'quizzes' because that's best for files containing the questions. |
| 21:11.16 | goozbach | sjansen: responses |
| 21:11.21 | fugue88 | response |
| 21:11.30 | fugue88 | :D |
| 21:11.47 | fugue88 | \/bin, /lib, not /bins, /libs |
| 21:11.50 | fugue88 | bleh |
| 21:12.06 | sjansen | Okay, now here where it gets a little more tricky. |
| 21:13.41 | sjansen | What would you call a class that saves and loads responses? The obvious answer is Responses. But what it you also need to be able to work work with sets of responses from multiple students? Wouldn't that also be a Responses? ResponsesSet? SetOfResponses? |
| 21:14.01 | goozbach | response, and responseset |
| 21:14.13 | fugue88 | goozbach: +1 |
| 21:14.25 | goozbach | class of single item, and another class of containers of said item |
| 21:16.38 | sjansen | I've thought about that, but something just bugs me about storing answers/responses to an entire quiz (containing multiple questions) in something called 'response'. |
| 21:18.02 | fugue88 | That's what I might have called a ResponseSet. |
| 21:18.11 | fugue88 | Perhaps you need some more adjectives. |
| 21:18.27 | sjansen | âThere are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things.â -- Phil Karlton |
| 21:18.44 | goozbach | sjansen: |
| 21:18.54 | goozbach | a class called quiz |
| 21:19.04 | goozbach | which contains classes called responsesets |
| 21:19.14 | fugue88 | ...contains instances of... |
| 21:19.15 | goozbach | which contain classes called response |
| 21:19.19 | goozbach | whatever |
| 21:19.49 | fugue88 | Nah, class quiz, with property responses, being a set of instances of class response |
| 21:20.15 | fugue88 | sjansen: I hope you're using a decent language like Python or Lisp. :) |
| 21:20.23 | goozbach | responseset contains question and response objects |
| 21:20.48 | fugue88 | responsepair |
| 21:20.57 | fugue88 | questionanswer?? |
| 21:21.33 | fugue88 | Bah! Just throw it all into a database, forget about making fancy-shmancy classes for any of it. |
| 21:22.04 | goozbach | sjansen: there are only two hard things in computer science, cache invalidation, naming things and off by one errors |
| 21:22.31 | fugue88 | lol |
| 21:26.14 | sjansen | The problem is there are two types of quizzes: (1) list of questions (2) list of responses to said questions. |
| 21:26.41 | fugue88 | Quiz and AnswerSheet |
| 21:26.54 | fugue88 | Or, if you like the quiz moniker, we can do this Java style. |
| 21:27.00 | fugue88 | QuizTemplate and QuizInstance. |
| 21:27.06 | sjansen | ick |
| 21:27.14 | fugue88 | Instances of QuizInstance may refer to instances of QuizTemplate. :D |
| 21:28.09 | sjansen | I've actually thought about those exact names, but "instances of QuizInstance" makes me sick to my stomach. |
| 21:28.36 | fugue88 | Java does that to me too. ;) |
| 21:28.44 | sjansen | I've thought about Answers and AnswerSheet, but it sounds too much like "answer key". |
| 21:29.39 | sjansen | Maybe I just need to invent a term. |
| 21:30.02 | goozbach | tpxzzps and yappsslles |
| 21:30.26 | fugue88 | How about 1-letter names? Just tell your manager that you've minified it so that it runs faster. :) |
| 21:30.27 | sjansen | Quiz is to Quiz as BubbleSheet is to PostedFormSheet. |
| 21:30.42 | goozbach | http://www.derrickcomedy.com/2010/05/16/gink/ |
| 21:30.43 | sjansen | Quiz is to Quiz as BubbleSheet is to POSTdFormSheet. |
| 21:31.42 | sjansen | ElectroSheet |
| 21:33.21 | goozbach | oh yeah, language towards the end |
| 21:33.48 | goozbach | but there should be some terms you can use in that video sjansen |
| 21:39.31 | sjansen | Okay, I've renamed it to ResponseMap, but I'm this >< close to naming it George. |
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| 22:07.40 | JoshH | sounds like that would drive me to drink |
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