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15:44.33sjansenI have a domain about to expire.
15:45.24sjansenClearly someone has been trolling the whois database because I just got a very convincing phishing spam claiming I'd purchased $357 in .info domains.
15:45.25goozbachsjansen: have you done anything with said domain in the last 12 months
15:45.36goozbach?
15:45.41sjansenI'm going to let it die.
15:45.47goozbachgood
15:46.43sjansenBut my heart skipped a beat when I saw the email and I thought something had gone horribly wrong with Go Daddy's auto-renewal system.
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16:20.56sjansenhttp://deeptypeflow.blogspot.com/2010/06/one-of-bizarrest-parasitic.html
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16:24.02goozbachsjansen: I didn't need to see that
16:25.45sjansenHollywood is talking about next summers big block buster: Snakes In A Shark!
16:26.06sjansen"You'll never go in the ocean again." -- New York Times
16:26.37sjansen"Yuck." -- Sixteen Year Old Girl
16:26.57sjansen"Cool!" -- Twelve Year Old Boy
16:27.22JoshHi want to see "rappers on a plane", starring mitt romney, with him doing a nice sam jackson impression
16:27.28sjansen"Just another derivative theft from Lord Of The Rings." -- Simpson's Comic Book Guy
16:27.35elgthis is a bizarre article
16:27.35elghttp://www.salon.com/technology/feature/2006/09/14/basic
16:27.44elgand holy hay long winded.
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16:31.45elgthe problem with children today is they don't learn BASIC.
16:32.03sjansenYup, pretty much.
16:32.54elgThe problem with our generation is we don't use slide rules
16:32.58sjansenThat, and the Disney channel replacing classic content with "fresh, original" crap.
16:32.59elgand their problem was they didn't use abacuses
16:33.03elgand their problem was not using fingers
16:33.22elgi never cease to be amazed with the very predictable disney princess pattern.
16:33.38elgtween girl heads up latest inane disney tween show
16:33.43elgtween girl becomes teen girl
16:34.00elgspoiled famous teen girl does stupid things that spoiled famous teens do
16:34.24elgworld is outraged, spoiled famous teen asserts she is "growing up"
16:34.39elgnext inane disney channel show stars new tween girl…
16:35.28JoshHsounds like you watch too much disney
16:35.50JoshHi mean i set my dvr to record snow white and aladdin for the kids and stuff
16:35.59JoshHbut i would never actually keep one of those tween girl shows on
16:37.20sjansenIt's not just Miley Cyrus. Ever watched The Suite Life of Zach and Cody.
16:37.34sjansenThat poor kid is too young to be playing a lecher.
16:39.03JoshHmiley cyrus isn't even tween anymore
16:40.29JoshHshe's halfway to being the next lindsey lohan
16:40.55JoshHtaylor swift is the current good role model choice
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16:48.52elghillary duff
16:48.59elgnot as bad as lohan, but same pattern
16:55.14sjansen~lart distros that break perfectly good media URLs
16:55.14ibotblasts distros that break perfectly good media URLs to oblivion with a kamehameha wave
16:59.00sjansenI would like to retract and amend my complaint.
16:59.25sjansen~lart OpenOffice.org for hiding the real URL behind what looked like a URL but wasn't
16:59.25ibotshoots OpenOffice.org in his sleep for hiding the real URL behind what looked like a URL but wasn't
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17:04.08TehLaserThere's a reason it's disney channel policy not to keep a show going for too long.
17:04.16TehLaserThey expect it to happen.
17:34.03elgamazed was the wrong word. I never cease to be amused
17:34.13elgit is all very natural, of course.
17:34.32elgpredictable as the tide. what demographic is more predictable than tween girls, after all?
17:34.40elgmaybe 5 year old boys.
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17:44.27sjansenhides a frog in elg's lunchbox
18:04.08leviNice sale at IKEA this weekend if you need metal utility shelving.
18:07.04leviI guess the sale on the Omar shelves is only Sunday, though.
18:14.49goozbachvannessa hugens(sp?)
18:15.05goozbachthat's my example of a disney princess making an "oops"
18:15.59goozbachif I had one word of advice for any girl it would be "if you think those naughty pics are going to be seen by only your boyfriend, you're wrong!"
18:17.12unumyour boyfriend may not always be your boyfriend either
18:17.59Migsteenage girls are none too bright
18:29.01TodPunkwe don't expect them to be.  We expect them to exist solely to swoon over boys and shopping, not think or accomplish anything
18:33.12sjansenTodPunk: Whatever.
18:33.19MigsI wish I understood how irrational girls are when I was in high school. It would've saved me a lot of heartache and confusion.
18:33.42Migsall that time, *I* was never the problem. THEY were.
18:34.07eightyeightheh. google voice is now open for all, eh?
18:34.17goozbachblendmaster1024: hear that!?
18:34.19goozbach:)
18:38.48unumI kept trying to convince this girl in high school that we shouldn't be that serious(she was my third date ever actually)
18:38.54unumbut she was sure our love would last
18:39.16unumthe whole, we're 16 and still figuring out who we are thing didn't make any sense to her
18:39.35Migswow
18:39.40Migswas she hot?
18:39.54unumshe was dating me, so what do you think ;)
18:39.59unumshe was cute
18:40.07TodPunkshe had a great personality
18:40.14Migsgirls at that age think they're 10x more mature than boys are
18:40.30TodPunkthey typically are
18:40.42JoshHnot really
18:40.49unumI don't think they are
18:40.51JoshHthey don't laugh at crude humor the same way, but they are immature in other ways
18:41.00unumit all depends on what you use to make that judgment
18:41.02MigsYeah, I think it's just different
18:41.07unumya I'm with joshh on this one
18:41.09JoshHboy crushes, silly catfights, caring about purses, etc
18:41.16MigsI think the real danger is they buy into their own delusion
18:41.33MigsTeenage boys don't pretend to be mature.
18:41.35JoshHthey just think the fact that they don't have the same kind of locker room jokes makes them more grown up
18:41.41Migsyeah
18:42.09TodPunkmaturity in that context is more the ability to deal with life and responsibilities and less how much class you are capable of
18:42.16MigsI think if you delude yourself into thinking you're already "mature," you're stifling actual maturity
18:42.20JoshHunum: sounds like you screwed that situation up
18:42.30MigsTodPunk: Yeah, and neither boys nor girls are capable of that, at that age
18:42.40MigsBut at least unum recognized he wasn't capable of it
18:42.42unumJoshH: ya I ended up dating her on and off for several years
18:42.44sjansenNo doubt she was unum's soul mate, and now he's doomed to a life of misery for spurning her.
18:43.01unumher finally meeting and marrying someone else was the best thing to ever happen to me
18:43.26JoshHdon't you have a fiance now?
18:43.28MigsI never dated anyone except my wife
18:43.42Migswell, seriously dated.  Asking girls to school dances doesn't count.
18:43.47sjansenYou're just saying that because you're tired of your pillows getting moldy after crying yourself to sleep for years.
18:43.53unumJoshH: yes
18:43.58JoshHwhen is the day?
18:44.03unumjuly 16th
18:44.19leviCool, that's coming up soon.
18:44.20JoshHyou'll be a changed man after you finally get some action after all these years!
18:44.24sjansenunum: You should have stolen a car and drove across town madly to stop her like in a romantic comedy. Now you're doomed.
18:44.26JoshHwe expect a much different unum in the channel
18:44.33Migsa more...MATURE unum
18:44.44sjansenDOOMED!
18:44.44unumsjansen: you're right, I messed up :)
18:44.53Migsa more...DOOMED unum
18:44.57goozbachunum: including a boombox held over your head
18:44.59TodPunkI'm on a system running SunOS 5.1
18:45.33unumon saturday I overheard a discussion between my fiance and her sister where she said it was too bad more women didn't understand that sex was "a need" for men
18:46.08unumand her sister said there was a question on the "dating game show" how many days with out sex before your husband personality changes
18:46.11Migshaha
18:46.29TodPunkis interested in the answer to that one
18:46.30JoshHfor me it's about 3
18:46.38Migsfor me it's 0.3
18:46.44TodPunkI'm with Migs
18:46.53unumevery 8 hours, that sounds about right
18:47.02Migsis it time for my nooner yet?
18:47.09TodPunktaken with meals
18:47.26Migssometimes I have 4 or 5 meals in one day
18:47.42JoshHwell, 3 days if i've been on a roll already
18:47.45TodPunkI think the point irrevocably stands
18:47.50JoshHand that's a noticeable change, not just slight grumpiness
18:48.02Migsactually, I think I can outlast my wife for the most part
18:48.14MigsThat's not saying much, though.  She sometimes just tackles me.
18:48.28goozbachis this conversation really happening in #utah
18:48.39goozbach?
18:48.47Migsis there a problem with the conversation?
18:48.57JoshHunum will be a newlywed soon
18:48.58goozbachno
18:49.01JoshHwe all just like to remember those glory days
18:49.05Migsyeah
18:49.18Migswhen it was every 0.1 days, instead of every 0.3 days
18:49.44JoshHthough technically for me, those days were way before the wedding
18:50.03JoshHsince i wasn't forced to endure a long virginity by the church
18:50.11JoshHok, maybe we should step back a bit
18:50.15JoshHanyway, congrats unum
18:50.16Migswe waited, though it was rough
18:50.32Migsthat's probably why we got married 6 months after we met
18:50.54JoshHi got married about 8 years after we met
18:51.17JoshHwhich i like, i'm a big believer in really getting to know your life partner
18:51.19unumwe actually met over 3 years ago
18:51.45MigsNonsense.  There's plenty of time to get to know them AFTER you're married.
18:51.55MigsAny man is basically maritally compatible with any woman, if they're both willing to work at it.
18:52.12unumhmmmm
18:52.31TodPunkI hate sites that require registration passwords with ridiculous limits on how few characters it must be.  10 characters for a password?  Are you dense?
18:52.38unumimcompatibly life philosophies can cause problems
18:52.56leviAll sorts of things can cause problems.
18:53.00TodPunkunum: that would be called "unwilling to work at it"
18:53.06JoshHTodPunk: the suit who asked for a long password for extra security probably is
18:53.07MigsYeah. Hence, "willing to work at it."
18:53.26leviIf only one of the two is willing to work at it, that can be a problem.
18:53.26MigsBesides, any couple who actually communicates with each other will figure out most of these incompatible life philosophies before the wedding.
18:53.30MigsStill time to bail.
18:53.34unumI don't think you should give up core values just to be married
18:53.36TodPunkJoshH: no, it's 6-10 characters.  10 is the MAX
18:53.47unumMigs: that I can agree with
18:53.50JoshHoh
18:53.56JoshHi always use something 8-10 anyway
18:54.29unumI don't think a long period of time is needed, but you should make sure you're headed the same direction first
18:54.32TodPunkunum: Arguably, you should know each others' core values pretty quickly before marriage is even an option.  About a month.
18:54.52unumTodPunk: I wouldn't argue with that
18:55.10JoshHi'd say more like 6 months to a year
18:55.15MigsAnd if you don't, you shouldn't even be getting married in the first place, because you have a communication problem.
18:55.28JoshHyou figure out the basics quickly, but there are plenty of other conversations to be had over time
18:55.33MigsJoshH: Less hump, more talk
18:55.48TodPunkYou start discussing birth marks after about 6 weeks.
18:55.55Migs6 weeks?
18:56.05TodPunkOh, the birth mark milestone
18:56.07MigsI was talking about all the strange growths on my body on the 2nd date
18:56.10unumI haven't had that conversation
18:56.20TodPunkMigs: we're not all the lady killer you are.
18:56.22unumwe had the money conversation
18:56.26unumthe kids conversation
18:56.30unumthe religion conversation
18:56.30Migswell, I don't have time to waste
18:56.43sjansenHow about child branding? You should discuss corporal punishment by the second date, and branding by the third.
18:56.44TodPunkyes you do.  You're not doing anything else important.
18:56.46MigsI live in a sexually repressed state.
18:56.54MigsSo no, I didn't have time to waste
18:58.44unumya, we've discussed disciplining the kids
18:58.52unumeducating the kids
18:58.57unumvacinating the kids.....
18:59.00TodPunkkilling the kids
18:59.06sjansenIf you haven't discussed your position on the violent overthrow of the government by the fourth date, you have a communication problem.
18:59.22TodPunkI had 4.  I plan on keeping two around.
18:59.25unumwheather they'll see a doctor or a healer
18:59.40unumwe're both communists
18:59.49unumI always ask that before I ask them out
18:59.54Migssjansen is absolutely right
19:00.15unumI won't waste my time or money on a capitalist pig
19:00.17leviunum: No wonder it took you so long to find one. ;)
19:00.23unumthat was an ironic statement.....
19:00.25JoshHmake sure she didn't vote for bush
19:00.31unumlevi: that was the major road block
19:00.36MigsIt's also important to know which World of Warcraft race she plays.
19:00.41TodPunkbasically, if you're FOR the violent overthrow of the government, you need to discuss your position on the French as well.  Otherwise, you just reach a middleground.
19:00.47sjansenBy the third month you should be carrying a list in your back pocket of everyone your significant others wants punished when society collapses.
19:00.50unumjello b opera
19:00.55JoshHMigs: alliance girls are always better looking
19:01.22Migsyeah, I wouldn't trust a horde girl
19:04.35TodPunkthey suck at pvp though
19:04.47TodPunkif you can give up your arena team for her, it's love
19:04.53JoshHthe hottest girls are human or gnome priests
19:05.01JoshHdon't be fooled by night elf hunters who /dance a lot
19:05.19TodPunkdruids, sure, but not hunters.
19:05.35JoshHindeed
19:06.39fungusThough a male Dranei looks awesome in a dress
19:06.51TodPunkit's the tentacles
19:07.25fungustotally
19:07.44JoshHi haven't played wow since before the burning crusade came out
19:08.02JoshHand i never even saw the end of blackwing lair
19:08.24JoshHbut at that point, it was either raid 7 hours a day every day, or get a guilt trip from the leader of the guild
19:08.26fungusthat's sad
19:08.28JoshHso i succumbed to the wife aggro
19:08.30JoshHand quit
19:08.49sjansenJoshH: You are now dead to us.
19:08.59leviI haven't played WoW in ages.
19:09.08fungusraiding has changed a lot.  It's actually possible to get progress only 2 or 3 nights a week now.
19:09.16JoshHya, that's what i hear
19:09.41JoshHi'll probably wait till my kids are old enough to play, and wow2 is out, then see if we can make it a family thing
19:09.51sjansenhttp://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/funny-pictures-cat-hates-pickle.jpg
19:09.52leviI play Eve, and my wife and I play Star Trek Online together sometimes.
19:09.53fungushehe
19:10.00TodPunkJoshH: I play about 4 hours a week and I'm in ICC.  It's pretty easy to be casual.  Though my account expires on Saturday, so I'll be done for a while >..
19:10.45fungusi'm not a good example of casual.  Unless you feel 25-30 hours a week casual.
19:11.04JoshHi was in a sucky guild too, so just finishing molten core was a dreadful chore that took forever
19:11.26JoshHbut had to be there because of friends and stuff
19:11.36fungusyeah, organizing 40 people was like herding cats
19:17.21unumgot internet set up at my fiances yesterday
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19:17.26unumthat's going to be nice
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19:32.27leviYou going to move in to her place?
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20:08.30unumso has anyone set up filtering on their android phone
20:08.38unumor you probably all just do it server side
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20:21.15eightyeightunum: i thought you were 100% mobile now
20:26.24eightyeightunum: assuming you mean mail filtering- yeah, i do it all server-side
20:28.30unumeightyeight: I still have a desktop
20:28.37unumI'm on a desktop more often than anything still
20:28.42unumlike to get a new one
20:28.59eightyeighti thought you said you shut it down, and spent all your internet time on your mobile
20:29.24unumI used to check my email on my desktop several times a night
20:29.35unumnow I only use my desktop at home to pay my bills
20:29.46unumbecause I'm on a computer 40 hours a week at work
20:30.04unumbut I want a new desktop because I have some side projects in the works
20:30.30eightyeighti still can't justify a data plan on a phone in my life
20:30.47eightyeightthe cell companies are ripping me off bad enough as it is
20:32.29fugue88eightyeight: You pay for a cell phone?
20:32.57eightyeighti do
20:33.00eightyeightfugue88: you don't?
20:33.13fugue88Nope.  They were ripping me off, so I stopped.
20:33.22fugue88That, and I don't want brain cancer.  ;)
20:33.30fugue88eightyeight: Is it for work?
20:34.29fugue88eightyeight: nevermind
20:35.03eightyeightno. it's a personal cell
20:35.52fugue88eightyeight: Sorry, doesn't matter.  I'm just in a strange mood from some really bad allergies today.
20:36.14fugue88Take care :)
20:36.48Sargunfugue88, I hate allertgies
20:37.56fugue88wonders if there's an emoticon with a stuffy nose...
20:38.45eightyeighti've wanted an android phone so bad, but i can't justify the cost
20:38.55eightyeighti'm debating taking levi's route, and just going pre-paid
20:39.17eightyeighti don't use the phone enough to warrant spending $45 for 400 minutes/mo
20:50.13fungusgetting raped by telcos is a fact of life.  You just gotta use a lot of lube
20:58.03eightyeighthah
20:58.24eightyeightthat may be. doesn't mean i need to get raped further
20:59.56levieightyeight: It's the way to go if you don't mind having a totally lame phone. :)
21:01.10eightyeighti have a totally lame phone now. not sure that it would be a downgrade
21:02.21leviBet it's not as lame as mine.
21:04.10leviSGH-X495, baby.
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21:04.58eightyeightheh
21:05.09eightyeightso, you're saying it's not a "smart" phone
21:05.33leviIt's got a calculator!
21:05.42eightyeighti guess i have one up on you then. i have the palm centro
21:10.08leviI've had this thing for years now.  It's been through the wash, and the paint is starting to rub off the back.
21:11.36tvc123don't upgrade .... my smart phone is so smart it won't make a decent call
21:13.23sontekYou guys know of a tool that rips iphone in Linux?
21:13.55leviBy 'rips iphone' do you mean 'copies music off of an iphone'?
21:14.31leviRhythmbox apparently recognizes my iPod Touch as a music player now.
21:14.38leviI didn't bother opening it, though.
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22:12.16tensaiany ideas how to fix a segfaulting yum?
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22:14.13goozbachtensai: first step: yum clean all
22:14.25goozbachnext step, disable packagekit then try again
22:15.57tensaiI don't see packagekit anywhere. this is centos 4.8
22:16.15tensaiand it's headless
22:16.46goozbachdisable repos one by one till you find your culprit
22:18.01tensaik. I can try that. I also already rebuilt the rpm database to no effect.
22:18.15tensaidoes it help any if I mention that up2date also used to work and now also segfaults?
22:21.02JoshHwhen i last saw apt segfaulting, i straced it and found out one of some package's cache/info file had a bunch of null characters for some reason
22:21.16JoshHbut it's been years since i used any form of RH
22:21.21tensaiI straced both and they both crap out just after trying to read an xml file
22:21.26tensaidifferent file though
22:21.53tensaimakes me wonder if it's a libxml2 problem, but I have no idea what
22:22.48sjansentensai: rpm -Va
22:23.16sjansenrpm -V libxml2
22:23.39tensaiI reinstalled all the xml packages I could find
22:23.46tensairpm -V libxml2 passes
22:25.14sjansenyum --noplugins update
22:26.05tensaisjansen: segfault
22:27.30eightyeighttensai: reinstall, and restore from backup?
22:28.42tensaiI'd very much like to avoid that
22:29.29eightyeightindeed, but it seems rpm/up2date is rather b0rked. perhaps boot from a centos disk, and do a 'linux rescue'?
22:30.16eightyeighti mean, you can only spend so much time trying to fix a broken install, before you realize that rebuilding would be more efficient of your time
22:30.51macnewboldunfortunately, usually by the time you realize it, you've sunk so much into fixing it's hard to throw that away and start over
22:31.04sjansenLong before doing a reinstall, I'd do a memtest86.
22:31.32leviRAGE
22:31.34sjansenAlso, wait a couple days then do a 'yum clean all' and 'yum update'.
22:31.43leviThey hooked up the office intercom in our area. :/
22:31.59leviNow I have to hear random people getting paged to the front desk.
22:32.24sjansenlevi: For shame. I though you'd learned how to use a screwdriver and wire cutters by now.
22:32.44leviI'd like to see you get up to the ceiling in here.
22:34.52tvc123you don't have to use a screwdriver if you hack the paging system :)
22:42.41eightyeightgetting "out of the office" emails sent to every mailing list in the corporate environment is equally as annoying
22:43.06tensaiI love getting "there are cookies in the break room" emails
22:43.33eightyeightsince working here (18 months), i've received 1000+ of those annoyances
22:43.48eightyeightfortunately, i've trained outlook to send it to junk
22:44.18eightyeighttensai: i don't mind food in the break room, but tomato plants/boxes/mary kay/etc in the break room...
22:45.03eightyeightnevermind the turquoise background, red header font, and swirly-curly signature
22:45.59eightyeightoh, and the vine border is a lovely touch
22:46.19tensaifixed it. woot!
22:46.41tensailibz.so.1 was a symlink to libz.so.1.2.5
22:52.52tensaibut the proper version libz.so.1.2.1.2
22:53.08tensaiI dunno where 1.2.5 came from, but fixing the symlink has corrected the problem
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22:53.49tristanbobenough is enough.  Mike Lee's campaign has called my number 5 times, and my wife's number 5 times.  
22:54.33eightyeighttristanbob: are you registered as a republican?
22:54.39jalbretsenI have a friend that is very sick of the texts Tim Bridgewater sends to her phone
22:55.13eightyeight(really, registered at all. just that mike lee is calling)
22:55.32jalbretsenwhen do the polls close?
22:55.54macnewboldtristanbob: yeah, i'm getting really annoyed - tim bridgewater's autodialer has for its caller id "CELL PHONE" and the number, and when you call it back, it replays the same message. so annoying and deceiving
22:56.03eightyeightpolitical survey companies only like digging out voters that identify with a specific party. they don't care, mostly, for the unaffiliated or independents
22:56.05macnewboldjalbretsen: 8pm
22:56.44jalbretsenthx
22:56.52goozbachis that legal? we were *VERY* careful to make sure our caller id and callback numbers were both correct
22:56.58goozbachfrom a legal perspective
22:57.43macnewboldgoozbach: don't know if it's legal or not, but I'd call it dishonest. it definitely is not a cell phone if i can't get a real person to pick up
22:57.53macnewboldpressing 0 or anything else just restarts the recording...
22:57.56eightyeightof course, now that google voice is free-for-all, i'd recommend unlisting your land line, and listing your google voice
22:58.03eightyeightthen you can filter calls by number
22:58.35eightyeightmark it as "spam"
22:58.59eightyeight"ding ding ding! we're sorry, this number is no longer in service, or has been disconnected. please hang up and try again." :)
22:59.36goozbachor if you've got a mean streak, setup an ASterisk system and make a phone tree of your own.
22:59.40goozbachpress six
22:59.42goozbachno six
22:59.45goozbachsix you idiot
22:59.52eightyeightheh
23:00.00goozbachstart at one... good
23:00.02eightyeighti've seen some asterisk goodness
23:00.03goozbachtwo...
23:00.04goozbach...
23:00.22goozbachsix... dammit! can't you do anything right?
23:00.27goozbachpress six
23:00.33goozbachis your six key broken?
23:00.34eightyeightor i guess "heard some asterisk goodness"
23:00.50goozbachif you don't have a working six key press any two numbers which add up to six
23:01.07goozbachpress pineapple
23:01.32tensaiI love being able to blacklist annoying callers in my asterisk box
23:01.44tensaijust blocked 2 of them today in fact. wells fargo keeps calling and hanging up after one ring.
23:02.09eightyeighti've got about 6 numbers in my google voice spam folder. rather entertaining

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