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| 03:26.46 | rsimpkins | I love the PHP hate. |
| 03:27.47 | rsimpkins | PHP is like Lady Gaga |
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| 03:37.43 | nathandelane | I'm trying to use Perl CGI::Session in a similar way that I use sessions in PHP, however it seems like when I set session variables in one module those vars aren't accessible in any other module, as if they don't really exist in the session. Can anybody point me in a direction that will help? I want to use CGI::Session and CGI in spite of the idea that it might be outdated. Any advice however would appreciated. Thanks. |
| 03:53.01 | jalbretsen | Next thing we'll see on PLUG is PHP is Maxist |
| 03:55.19 | rsimpkins | jalbretsen: I was going to post that, but saw something shiney and got distracted. |
| 03:55.19 | rsimpkins | I was going to relate C to the tea party. ruby to liberals, and java to republicans. |
| 03:57.01 | jalbretsen | you shall most certainly derail the conversation. Bravo. |
| 03:57.10 | jalbretsen | :) |
| 04:05.38 | nathandelane | nothing then? |
| 04:07.15 | nathandelane | Personally, when I have knowledge about programming, that others don't have, I am freely willing to share. Whenever I ask any question about Perl anywhere, it seems all I get is crap. How is one to learn when everyone is apparently unwilling to give help? |
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| 15:41.09 | levi | Man, that was a weak flamewar. :) |
| 15:42.51 | goozbach | levi: on plug? |
| 15:42.59 | goozbach | stuart was in top form however |
| 15:44.20 | levi | Yeah. |
| 15:44.58 | levi | Where's the fun if no one steps up to defend PHP, though? |
| 15:45.51 | levi | I just got some spam that promised to help me grow luscious blueberries at home. |
| 15:46.04 | goozbach | oohh |
| 15:46.20 | Migs | PHP is awesome |
| 15:46.38 | levi | Migs: So, get on PLUG and tell Stewart just how awesome it is. |
| 15:46.47 | Migs | Meh. |
| 15:46.54 | Migs | It's not THAT awesome |
| 15:47.18 | levi | It's not very awesome at all, except for the fact that it's installed on cheap webhosts by default. |
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| 15:49.55 | levi | Huh, a rumor is circulating that 7 minutes of the June 7 keynote by Steve Jobs will be given over to Microsoft to talk about Visual Studio 2010, which will allow users to develop iPhone, iPad, and MacOS apps. |
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| 15:54.25 | levi | Wow, Apple passed Microsoft in market cap. |
| 15:55.46 | jsmith | It's been close for a while. |
| 15:55.53 | elg | levi: awesome spam :) |
| 15:56.57 | jsmith | I think it has more to do with Microsoft's drop in stock price than in Apple itself |
| 15:56.57 | levi | Well, Apple has been strong lately, and Microsoft is getting weak. |
| 15:57.12 | JoshH | heh php threads on plug last forever |
| 15:57.49 | levi | This is good stuff: http://thebigcaption.com/ |
| 16:12.29 | Migs | How would I rsync from a Linux server to a Windows client? |
| 16:12.39 | Migs | the rsync needs to be initiated from the server |
| 16:13.15 | Migs | actually, it should be initiateable both ways |
| 16:13.29 | goozbach | install cygwin? |
| 16:13.42 | Migs | is there a way without installing cygwin? |
| 16:13.48 | levi | You could share the Windows drive, mount it on your Linux box, and do a local rsync. |
| 16:13.55 | Migs | just with samba? |
| 16:14.01 | levi | Yeah. |
| 16:14.11 | Migs | seems simple enough. |
| 16:14.14 | levi | I'm not sure that will be terribly efficient, but it should work. |
| 16:14.31 | Migs | what about syncing it from the server from the Windows box, w/o cygwin? |
| 16:14.42 | Migs | what would be more efficient? |
| 16:15.01 | Migs | this is something that'll need to happen for theoretically 43 clients, and with several GB of data |
| 16:15.08 | levi | If you can find a native Windows rsync. |
| 16:15.15 | goozbach | Migs: are you trying to do backups? |
| 16:15.36 | Migs | No, we're trying to setting up an ebook server, and have designated "media clients" in every school library |
| 16:15.40 | levi | Sounds like he's trying to keep some data store on the Windows boxes up-to-date. |
| 16:15.42 | goozbach | there may be better solution |
| 16:15.42 | Migs | The idea is to eventually get rid of all hardcopy textbooks |
| 16:15.59 | goozbach | I see |
| 16:15.59 | Migs | But we want to be able to update the server with new ebooks, that propagate out to each client |
| 16:16.25 | Migs | some of them will be licensed, once we figure out an agreement and method for removing publishers' DRM and installing our own |
| 16:16.40 | goozbach | http://www.google.com/search?q=rsync+for+windows |
| 16:17.01 | Migs | I did mess around with DeltaCopy a little. |
| 16:17.13 | jsmith | agrees w/ goozbach |
| 16:17.14 | Migs | Just wondering if anyone has actually used something that might work better |
| 16:20.07 | goozbach | http://greenmice.info/en/node/34 |
| 16:21.04 | Migs | Robocopy is a pretty awesome utility for Windows that might work, too |
| 16:21.26 | Migs | I'll experiment some more. Thanks! |
| 16:23.43 | Migs | this new purple Ubuntu is annoying me |
| 16:28.59 | levi | You prefer the brown/orange? |
| 16:29.18 | JoshH | i'm digging the purple actually |
| 16:29.29 | JoshH | though i moved my buttons back to the right side |
| 16:29.41 | JoshH | that was an absurdly stupid idea to move them to the left |
| 16:29.51 | Migs | levi: Yes, I think so |
| 16:30.01 | Migs | I've never been a purple fan |
| 16:30.05 | levi | Migs: You can always switch your theme back. |
| 16:30.18 | Migs | I'm sure it'll grow on me eventually |
| 16:30.38 | Migs | right now, though, it's giving me a headache |
| 16:30.52 | levi | JoshH: I dunno, maybe they've got more people who work on Linux + MacOS than they do Linux + Windows. |
| 16:31.33 | JoshH | i switched to the solid color purple though, because of the way i have my monitors setup, the only part of my desktop that i ever actually see is the bottom right corner, and it was just a light pink with the default |
| 16:31.38 | JoshH | and of course i can't have that |
| 16:31.49 | Gate | Migs: than change the colors. |
| 16:32.26 | Migs | How will it ever grow on me if I change the colors? |
| 16:33.19 | levi | It's pretty easy to get used to one way or the other if you only use one OS, but using two conflicting OSes can be annoying. |
| 16:34.45 | JoshH | i use linux only, and have always had the buttons on the right in every window manager i've ever used |
| 16:34.54 | JoshH | just seemed like a pointless change for no real benefit |
| 16:35.01 | JoshH | at least it's simple to switch in gconf editor though |
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| 16:36.40 | levi | JoshH: I understand they have plans for some other controls on the right, but I don't recall where I heard that from. |
| 16:37.17 | fungus | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/333 |
| 16:37.33 | levi | People who use Linux + MacOS have often configured Linux to have controls on the left. |
| 16:38.14 | fungus | it was done to make room for windicators. and had nothing to do with copying OSX |
| 16:38.18 | JoshH | ya, same with people who don't use macos but just want their linux to look like it |
| 16:38.49 | JoshH | i don't think i like that window indicator idea... |
| 16:39.17 | fungus | looks great for a netbook, but a desktop. I'm skeptical |
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| 16:40.14 | levi | I throughly support the idea of getting rid of wasted vertical space on any platform. |
| 16:41.16 | JoshH | if windicators turn out to be useful, then maybe i'll switch my buttons back, or have the windicators on the left |
| 16:41.31 | JoshH | but my first reaction is that it's a harebrained idea and shuttleworth should put down the crack pipe |
| 16:42.07 | fungus | https://launchpad.net/bugs/532633 |
| 16:42.22 | JoshH | like the volume idea for instance. why should that be in the window titlebar instead of in the app itself? |
| 16:42.30 | fungus | That is the bug that contains the whole discussion and the final decree from shuttleworth |
| 16:42.53 | fungus | some of it is actually interesting for UI designers |
| 16:43.09 | levi | To make things more consistent. |
| 16:43.26 | JoshH | UI designers need to get real jobs :P |
| 16:43.33 | JoshH | or work at apple |
| 16:43.37 | fungus | lol |
| 16:43.57 | levi | UI designers have real jobs, and I'm glad they do. |
| 16:45.03 | fungus | even with the buttons all screwed up. I love the purple. :) |
| 16:45.14 | JoshH | indeed |
| 16:45.58 | levi | I appreciate when OS vendors take risks with redesigns and real UI changes, especially when there's thought behind it. Keeps things from getting stagnant. |
| 16:47.17 | fungus | right that's why this issue was so interesting. |
| 16:47.32 | fungus | The mountains of study and thought that went into such a simple change |
| 16:49.31 | levi | Google Chrome recently updated to follow the desktop preference for which side the buttons go on, which is nice. |
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| 17:01.47 | Gate | levi: as long as the changes aren't arbitrary |
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| 17:19.49 | goozbach | redbeard_work: got your ears on? |
| 17:23.05 | redbeard_work | goozbach: sup? |
| 17:25.47 | goozbach | I have a friend I'm trying to introduce to a new food (my wai-kiki meatballs recipie) |
| 17:25.53 | goozbach | however he is allergic to eggs |
| 17:26.03 | goozbach | I make the meatballs like a meatloaf |
| 17:26.12 | goozbach | what can I use as a binder instead of eggs? |
| 17:26.51 | redbeard_work | maybe some kind of starch? corn starch or tapioca starch might help |
| 17:27.27 | redbeard_work | eggs use protein as a binder, so i wonder if you could fudge something with an aspic (aka, unflavored gelatin) |
| 17:27.42 | goozbach | the recipie calls for ground beef, saltine cracker crumbs, egg, ginger, salt and onion |
| 17:27.54 | redbeard_work | how much beef? |
| 17:27.59 | redbeard_work | and how many eggs? |
| 17:28.00 | goozbach | 1lb |
| 17:28.05 | redbeard_work | 1 egg then? |
| 17:28.06 | goozbach | 1 egg IIRC |
| 17:29.25 | redbeard_work | well, i can't promise this will work, but maybe: drop 1/4 tsp unflavored gelatin into 1/4 cup cold water, let sit for 5 minutes. heat gently to dissolve the gelatin. use in place of the egg. |
| 17:29.40 | redbeard_work | i'm just guessing on the amounts, but that might get you what you need |
| 17:30.04 | goozbach | I'll give it a shot |
| 17:30.25 | JoshH | goozbach: that sounds pretty good |
| 17:30.25 | redbeard_work | mix in a tablespoon of [corn|tapioca] starch with the meat, for extra insurance |
| 17:30.32 | redbeard_work | let me know how it goes |
| 17:30.43 | goozbach | will |
| 17:30.45 | goozbach | do |
| 17:30.57 | goozbach | JoshH: when I get home I'll post the recipe |
| 17:31.04 | goozbach | it's super nummy |
| 17:31.29 | goozbach | sweet and sour sauce mixed in with the meatballs |
| 17:31.31 | JoshH | i love meatballs, but have only ever made italian style |
| 17:31.40 | goozbach | served over white rice |
| 17:40.50 | BLZbubba | habanero starch |
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| 18:56.04 | unum | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/25/AR2010052504396.html |
| 19:01.13 | levi | Hah, Republican bigwigs, meet the internet trolls. |
| 19:11.01 | unum | as much as I support free speech.... |
| 19:11.13 | unum | if you want your forum to be taken seriously you have to moderate |
| 19:16.15 | JoshH | i don't think the birther is a troll though |
| 19:16.59 | levi | Well, it's a combination of trolls and those who have been suckered by trolls. |
| 19:18.19 | unum | I like how apparantly congress's only job is to 'vet' the president, even though they aren't given that authority in the constitution |
| 19:21.57 | BLZbubba | i thought our leaders were supposed to actually lead, instead of letting these kinds of idiots set the agenda |
| 19:25.28 | levi | Well, the Republicans have been told that the Democrats won because they had better websites or something, so they want to get into the whole social media scene so they can win this time. |
| 19:26.00 | JoshH | look how well FB works for Palin |
| 19:26.45 | JoshH | BLZbubba: i think that's a common misconception. I don't (personally) think they are "leaders", or supposed to lead, but just represent the views of their constituents as closely as possible. |
| 19:26.55 | levi | I don't know if it's just my network that skews my perception or not, but it seems that the FB userbase skews conservative. |
| 19:27.06 | JoshH | unfortunately, when you're constituents are birthers, teabaggers, or religious nutcases, it can't go well |
| 19:28.00 | BLZbubba | yeah good point |
| 19:28.41 | levi | Hm, some CCP guy in Oregon fired a couple of rounds at escaping iPhone thieves. He must have slept through some of his CCP lessons. |
| 19:28.48 | JoshH | heh |
| 19:29.06 | JoshH | there have been a lot of CCP bloopers the last couple years |
| 19:29.37 | JoshH | probably mainly my perception, but it seems the "gun owners" i knew growing up were a lot smarter and more responsble than the buffoons making the news these days |
| 19:29.55 | levi | That's not really surprising, considering human nature and the sheer number of people out there. |
| 19:30.35 | goozbach | bash question: |
| 19:30.37 | levi | I'm sure the majority of gun owners are still just as responsible as they were in the past. |
| 19:31.05 | JoshH | but maybe the minority who aren't is growing, i dunno |
| 19:31.37 | goozbach | I want to start a loop, have it running in the background, have a second command start sometime after the loop starts (using sleep $RANDOM), and not exit the script until the loop completes |
| 19:31.39 | JoshH | there was the guy whose gun went off in the olive garden, the one who fired it in the carls jr bathroom, and of course the tards who had a standoff and a shooting on the neighborhood watch last year |
| 19:31.41 | goozbach | how do I do that? |
| 19:31.43 | JoshH | and that's just in utah |
| 19:32.22 | levi | Well, if the ratio holds, rising population will still increse the absolute number of the irresponsible. |
| 19:32.30 | JoshH | indeed |
| 19:32.45 | JoshH | i'm not even counting superdell either |
| 19:33.01 | JoshH | though i do recall a couple other "brandishings" making the news too |
| 19:33.09 | JoshH | which is grounds to get your permit revoked afaik |
| 19:33.55 | levi | I hear there's some change to CCP laws coming soon that will change the brandishing rules to make it legal to do in more cases, or something like that. |
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| 20:26.24 | goozbach | I figgered out my answer |
| 20:26.26 | goozbach | "wait" |
| 20:26.33 | goozbach | for i in foo bar baz |
| 20:26.34 | goozbach | do |
| 20:26.36 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.40 | goozbach | done & |
| 20:26.47 | goozbach | do somethig else |
| 20:26.49 | goozbach | wait |
| 20:39.10 | JoshH | wishes supaplex was around |
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| 22:30.34 | Gate | JoshH, levi: its not that gun owners are more stupid, its that the media will invariably find the worst examples they can and plaster them across national news |
| 22:31.22 | JoshH | i think all the cases i mentioned were pretty newsworthy actually |
| 22:31.57 | Gate | No more or less newsworthy than someone using the firearm to defend themselves or others |
| 22:32.09 | JoshH | i won't disagree that the media would jump on a CCP blunder story, but i also don't think they have some kind of anti-gun agenda |
| 22:32.20 | Gate | well, OK, the neighborhood watch one (if I know the one you mean) is worth it |
| 22:32.21 | JoshH | it's the kind of thing that generates clicks |
| 22:32.48 | Gate | JoshH: I agree, for the most part. They are after ratings. |
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| 22:36.48 | goozbach | nothing in broadcast is done outside of metrics |
| 22:36.52 | goozbach | *NOTHING* |
| 22:37.06 | goozbach | radio/tv |
| 22:37.22 | goozbach | they do something, measure, and then decide |
| 22:37.43 | goozbach | surveys are used only to find the demographic |
| 22:38.31 | goozbach | hence "they're no *GOOD* news on the newscast" doesn't effect the content of the newscast |
| 22:38.48 | goozbach | because they put feely good stories on the news, then watched the ratings/metrics |
| 22:38.52 | goozbach | guess what... |
| 22:39.02 | goozbach | less eyeballs |
| 22:39.10 | goozbach | less eyeballs == less advertisers |
| 22:39.20 | goozbach | les advertizers == les money |
| 22:45.17 | Gate | goozbach: that is the point we were making |
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