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| 02:27.38 | TodPunk | oh, how I love the .NET Framework. Not the recent stuff that's all for language nerds, like LINQ and stuff (I'm sure it's nice, I just don't care). I mean like, the WebClient class. So much of what I want to do is just already there. It's like Python, but with some larger scale use. |
| 02:27.51 | levi | It's a google ad. It's up to google to determine where it appears. And aside from being tacky in content, it's visually unappealing. |
| 02:28.30 | levi | TodPunk: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff there, and callable from IronPython, too. :) |
| 02:28.51 | levi | Plus all the language nerd stuff, which I love because I'm a language nerd. |
| 02:29.09 | levi | I just talked for an hour or so on monads and parsing combinators in Haskell. |
| 02:30.28 | TodPunk | Yeah, I don't geek out on languages. I prefer to get things done rather than wonder about how cool a monad would be for this, or a closure would be for that. No offense meant. I'm just not fond of it at this stage in life. |
| 02:30.49 | levi | Language geeking is where it's at! |
| 02:30.57 | levi | Getting stuff done is for the birds. ;) |
| 02:31.12 | levi | Actually, I write in C to get stuff done. |
| 02:31.21 | TodPunk | or people with not a lot of time on their hands |
| 02:32.36 | TodPunk | My only problem with C (and C was my first language after BASIC) is they seem to want to make everything as hard to follow as possible unless you've been looking at C for years. |
| 02:33.02 | TodPunk | This isn't so much a problem with C as it is with the standard libarary and the inundated majority of us C programmers |
| 02:33.30 | TodPunk | things like "String.Split()" in Java would be "strsplt()" in C |
| 02:36.26 | levi | Yeah, the C standard library is extremely spartan. |
| 02:36.58 | levi | But it's about the right size for embedded programming, which doesn't typically deal with a lot of string manipulation. :) |
| 02:37.33 | TodPunk | True dat |
| 02:38.12 | levi | It could use some standard higher-level stuff, though, like more extensive string handling and linked lists. |
| 02:38.50 | levi | I'm always writing linked list implementations. |
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| 15:15.45 | mrpull | have any of you worked with SORBS to get IP's unlisted? They seem like a joke compared to the other lists. |
| 15:16.47 | mrpull | and the other lists are a pain |
| 15:23.56 | TodPunk | mrpull: the only time I ever workes with them was when they blocked an entire /16 we happened to be one because 3 IPS (consecutive, mind you) were lightly spamming (just a few complaints) and the ISP didn't want to shut their customer's smtp abilities down. |
| 15:24.17 | TodPunk | In the end, we just ignored them. |
| 15:24.42 | mrpull | TodPunk: they are listing a /20 over ONE ip address complaint |
| 15:24.55 | TodPunk | We figure if someone wants to use an ultra-paranoid list, they get what's coming to them. |
| 15:24.57 | mrpull | the first two times i submitted a ticket they never responded |
| 15:25.14 | mrpull | i think their $50 donation is BS too |
| 15:25.20 | TodPunk | yes, yes it is |
| 15:25.25 | TodPunk | it's called extortion |
| 15:25.48 | mrpull | lets see... $50 per IP address listed... a /20 has 4000ish IP addresses.... |
| 15:25.50 | mrpull | they are dinks |
| 15:26.51 | TodPunk | I think it's comparable to the recent facebook "privacy" ridiculousness. The people that want the privacy features are the same idiots that answer quizzes and play farmville or whatnot and hand their information out like candy. The smart people just have a problem that it keeps switching to less private by default. |
| 15:26.54 | mrpull | on my very first visit, the webpage had a bunch of mysql errors |
| 15:27.10 | TodPunk | IP blacklists are used by people that are dumb. Smart people block spammers themselves. |
| 15:27.51 | mrpull | blacklists can give clues to the spammyness of a message, but it shouldn't be the sole influence |
| 15:29.17 | TodPunk | mrpull: I'm sure you're also listed in a blacklist like rbns (I don't know if that's how it's spelled) in Germany or something, where they essentially LITERALLY block everything registered to a company if that company's IPs have a complaint in them. Until you pay huge fees to get off the list, and prove you've blocked SMTP from that block. |
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| 15:52.58 | mrpull | TodPunk: lame. i guess there will always be the punks that think the interwebs should never be used to make money. |
| 15:57.19 | markl | sorbs sucks |
| 15:57.40 | fugue88 | My only anti-spam tactic is greylisting. |
| 15:57.58 | markl | i use spam assassin and spf checks |
| 15:58.04 | fugue88 | I greylist a host initially until it retries the same message, then whitelist it. |
| 15:58.14 | fugue88 | Spam went from 425/day to 4/day. |
| 15:58.39 | fugue88 | Checking my logs, I don't think I miss anything legit. |
| 15:59.04 | markl | greylisting rocks |
| 16:06.19 | macnewbold | fugue88 or markl: do either of you use greylisting with sendmail or have a particular implementation you recommend? |
| 16:07.48 | fugue88 | I do it with exim. |
| 16:07.54 | fugue88 | Kind of a custom impl. |
| 16:08.01 | fugue88 | But based off one on the net somewhere. |
| 16:08.14 | fugue88 | macnewbold: ^^ |
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| 16:21.40 | tensai | I used greylisting with exim and greylistd |
| 16:21.50 | TodPunk | who the heck uses sendmail anymore? |
| 16:21.54 | tensai | it was pretty effective at eliminating spam |
| 16:22.03 | tensai | TodPunk: nobody who has a choice |
| 16:22.25 | tensai | except mtorrie for some reason. you'd think he'd know better. |
| 16:22.30 | TodPunk | http://bash.org/?1639 |
| 16:26.32 | elg | tensai: really? weird. I blame canada |
| 17:02.15 | fungus | gah, Qmail is even uglier than sendmail |
| 17:03.35 | fungus | macnewbold: I used to run milter-greylist when I ran sendmail |
| 17:04.23 | fungus | But I did try smf-grey and it was a bit lighter weight and made me happier. |
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| 17:32.59 | markl | macnewbold: no, i used it with postfix |
| 17:33.20 | markl | iirc it was very simple |
| 17:33.44 | markl | sudo apt-get install postgrey |
| 17:33.51 | markl | and maybe a bit of config file tweaking |
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| 17:47.41 | nathandelane | I am running OpenSSH on Windows 7 to scp, ssh, etc. to my Linux servers. Can anybody tell me why, when I have a dsa public/prive key pair for openssh, and specify where to find it locally, I am still asked for my password? Debug info is at http://pastebin.org/258598 |
| 17:48.47 | markl | nathandelane: are you able to check the server logs? usually it will mention the problem there |
| 17:49.08 | markl | maybe just for fun try something like: chmod g-rw,o-rw ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 17:49.17 | markl | 90% of the time i think that is the problem |
| 17:50.18 | nathandelane | doesn't change the debug output -- I'll check the logs |
| 17:53.02 | nathandelane | Here's what's in the log, not much: http://pastebin.org/258622 |
| 17:53.55 | nathandelane | The question does arise in my mind, does it matter that my account on Windows is lanathan and that my account on my servers is lnathan? They're different...does that matter? |
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| 18:00.07 | markl | nathandelane: you will have to specify the username on the server |
| 18:00.18 | markl | e.g. ssh lnathan@10.1.2.3 |
| 18:00.47 | nathandelane | I do that: scp -v -i ~\.ssh\id_dsa upiistore.css lnathan@lampdev:/var/www/html/ultradent |
| 18:00.47 | nathandelane | lnathan@lampdev |
| 18:02.11 | fugue88 | Windows crashed. |
| 18:02.19 | markl | heh |
| 18:02.36 | markl | or maybe he figured it out on his own and was too embarrassed to admit what happened |
| 18:02.51 | tensai | it's not the permissions on authorized_keys. it's the permissions on .ssh |
| 18:03.04 | markl | both have to be correct |
| 18:03.31 | markl | but yeah i should have done chmod -R g-rwx,o-rwx ~/.ssh maybe |
| 18:03.36 | markl | seems kind of dangerous though |
| 18:04.05 | tensai | ${HOME}, ${HOME}/.ssh and ${HOME}/.ssh/authorized_keys all have strict requirements |
| 18:04.21 | tensai | just fixed a server with this problem the other day |
| 18:04.50 | tensai | never figured out why /root got chowned to another user |
| 18:04.58 | tensai | blames elg |
| 18:05.20 | markl | hmm is there a place in utah or sl county to get SDHC cards above 4G? |
| 18:05.32 | markl | we need a fry's SO F***ING BAD |
| 18:05.48 | elg | == canada |
| 18:06.05 | markl | maybe after we annex canada we can get a fry's here |
| 18:26.00 | goozbach | markl: elg lives near a couple |
| 18:26.10 | goozbach | have him buy it and hand deliver it to you |
| 18:27.19 | unum | I'm trying to get Posh to open up a location down here |
| 18:30.29 | markl | ah cool, wal mart carries the 16g cards |
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| 19:51.05 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 19:51.06 | ibot | executes killall -TERM eco |
| 20:00.43 | sjansen | http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/20/um-did-google-just-quietly-launch-a-web-based-itunes-competitor-yep/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29 |
| 20:06.45 | TodPunk | I really hate Google white. It's just everywhere. Can't they use like, eggshell or something to tone it down? |
| 20:07.02 | TodPunk | It's just like "AAAAAAAHHHHH! MY EYES!!!!" |
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| 20:20.51 | eightyeight | http://www.flixxy.com/sms-text-messaging-vs-morse-code.htm |
| 20:26.24 | TodPunk | "I am a Marxist - of the Groucho tendency" - Anonymous |
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| 22:00.46 | sjansen | http://forum.opencart.com/viewtopic.php?p=72582#p72642 |
| 22:01.35 | sjansen | PHP is teh awesum!!!1 If u don't no that, u must be stoopid. |
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