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| 03:45.47 | eightyeight | so, it looks like me starting a thread on debian-devel will likely bring about a change in the distro |
| 03:45.56 | eightyeight | kind of exciting |
| 03:46.07 | TodPunk | link? |
| 03:46.12 | eightyeight | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/05/msg00252.html is the thread i started |
| 03:50.17 | eightyeight | of course, it's this reply that shows promise: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/05/msg00335.html |
| 03:52.17 | TodPunk | huh |
| 03:52.35 | TodPunk | that's pretty cool, actually. It may seem like a small thing, but that adds a lot of functionality to a shared debian system |
| 03:52.50 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 03:54.10 | eightyeight | if it gets implemented, you know what this means. it will likely get affected downstream to ubuntu and derivs |
| 03:54.29 | eightyeight | so the change, as small as it is, could have a large reach |
| 03:54.38 | eightyeight | anyway, i'm excited |
| 03:55.43 | TodPunk | Man, ZFS sounds just so fun. |
| 03:56.06 | TodPunk | I just have no reasonable reason to implement it |
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| 04:37.18 | condensate | anyone have experience with OPENCRX or OPENMDX ? |
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| 14:24.03 | tensai | unum: I installed bucardo once. does that count? |
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| 14:47.03 | tensai | looks like I just fixed a customer's sql query that was doing a number on my database. therein lies the problems of letting others write queries for your database. |
| 14:47.15 | tensai | table had 1.5 million rows but no indexes |
| 14:47.34 | tensai | so this query was doing a full table scan every few seconds |
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| 16:34.23 | elg | where to shop for electronics parts online? |
| 16:35.18 | levi | Like resistors, capacitors, ICs, etc? |
| 16:35.50 | elg | yeah, switches |
| 16:36.01 | levi | I use digikey, jameco, mouser. |
| 16:36.06 | elg | i'm trying to find those square white switches with illumination |
| 16:37.16 | elg | or any illuminated momentary switch really |
| 16:37.33 | levi | Should be able to find them at any of those sites. |
| 16:38.10 | levi | And once you order from them, you'll start receiving phone book sized catalogs in the mail! |
| 16:38.18 | elg | :) |
| 16:38.22 | elg | my wife will be soo pleased |
| 16:39.43 | sjansen | Once you have enough, you can use 'em to bullet proof your car like the Myth Busters. |
| 16:45.52 | eightyeight | elg: i was going to say rayelco in slc, but you're not in slc |
| 16:46.22 | elg | no, but I do have a plethora of fry's nearby |
| 16:46.35 | levi | He did say 'online'. |
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| 16:46.53 | elg | i was just looking for a ballpark price. found at least one for $1/apiece |
| 16:46.55 | elg | http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/LPS-9/SPDT-LIGHTED-MOMENTARY-PUSHBUTTON-SWITCH/1.html |
| 16:48.19 | levi | I think sparkfun sells some of those too, as part of their Simon game kits. |
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| 17:36.07 | eightyeight | sweet! my debian bug got fixed! as of debian base-files v5.4, the default umask is now '0002'. w00t! |
| 17:36.25 | sinuhe | eightyeight: Nice. |
| 17:38.17 | eightyeight | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=581434#25 |
| 17:39.55 | tensai | how about recommendations on a kit that would be good to learn electronics. something with a breadboard and a decent selection of capacitors, switches, lights, etc. |
| 17:41.54 | sjansen | You have made your mark on the world. Now you can sail west or fade away. |
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| 17:42.34 | findlay | is it possible to replace the hard drive in a mac and reinstall the OS? |
| 17:43.59 | fungus | findlay: depends on which mac. Usually yes. |
| 17:44.20 | sjansen | According to the Apple Enforcement Act of '09, the only proper way to repair a Mac is to buy a new one and an iPad to accompany it. |
| 17:44.41 | fungus | some iMacs require a warranty voiding opening of the case to get to the drive. |
| 17:44.56 | findlay | fungus: this one's well out of warranty |
| 17:45.13 | fungus | There is no technological restriction |
| 17:45.25 | findlay | hm |
| 17:45.44 | findlay | I don't trust apple |
| 17:46.04 | fungus | but... sjansen's suggestion is always fun too. :) |
| 17:46.17 | findlay | they've been removing and introducing "features" on my wife's computer |
| 17:48.11 | findlay | insomuch that they don't work as advertised anymore |
| 17:59.57 | findlay | maybe I'll take the sjansen suggestion and buy the whole line of iProducts |
| 18:00.08 | findlay | every 6 months |
| 18:00.35 | TodPunk | 6 Months? Wow, you like to drag your feet on getting new iProducts. |
| 18:01.31 | findlay | I guess I'm too old fashioned |
| 18:01.50 | findlay | I don't like turtlenecks and polo shirts |
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| 18:05.04 | levi | findlay: You whined about never getting posts on your facebook wall, and then never acknowledged the one I wrote. :P |
| 18:05.41 | findlay | oh, yeah |
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| 19:15.21 | markl_ | jasonk: close |
| 19:15.24 | markl_ | just off by a _ |
| 19:15.27 | markl_ | welcome |
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| 21:38.20 | sjansen | ~hug pax |
| 21:38.21 | ibot | ACTION sneaks up on pax and suddenly hugs pax tightly |
| 21:41.10 | unum | penny-arcade pax? or different pax |
| 21:43.10 | TodPunk | I'm going to go ahead and guess sjansen isn't exactly a huge gamer. Only a guess, but I see no evidence to the contrary yet. |
| 21:43.27 | unum | maybe he meant peace |
| 21:43.42 | unum | oh it's a unix command |
| 21:43.59 | sjansen | Only Splinter Cell and old Nintendo games, and even that rarely. |
| 21:44.11 | TodPunk | I could never get into Splinter Cell |
| 21:44.24 | TodPunk | I played Contra with my wife on Tuesday though. Good times. |
| 21:44.31 | sjansen | The pax command is why I stopped hating cpio files. |
| 21:45.03 | unum | I'm trying to convince my fiance to give star craft a go |
| 21:45.36 | unum | I have new hardware coming |
| 21:45.39 | unum | I'm too excited to program |
| 21:46.34 | sjansen | BTW, on the subject of games, Portal is from from Steam until the 24th. |
| 21:46.45 | TodPunk | *free |
| 21:46.54 | sjansen | That's almost enough motivation for me to install Windows on one of my systems. |
| 21:47.13 | TodPunk | They have a mac client, if that helps. |
| 21:47.15 | sinuhe | ~slap sjansen |
| 21:47.16 | ibot | ACTION slaps sjansen, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 21:47.37 | TodPunk | Also, apparently steam runs decenly under wine. That was the old steam, though. Not sure about the new UI |
| 21:48.07 | sjansen | I've been Mac free going on 6 years. I have no intention to relapse. |
| 21:48.26 | eightyeight | on the subject of cpio, platform independent or not, it still sucks |
| 21:48.57 | sinuhe | eightyeight: Oh? |
| 21:49.08 | eightyeight | sinuhe: yup |
| 21:51.24 | eightyeight | i'll give cpio platform independence and the fact that its switches haven't changed at all between versions |
| 21:51.49 | eightyeight | other than that, it's slow, and i've had data loss with cpio archives |
| 21:52.14 | sjansen | Only reason I touch cpio files it to repackage installer initrds. |
| 21:52.29 | sjansen | Sadly not every installer can be as awesome as Anaconda. |
| 21:53.12 | eightyeight | heh |
| 21:53.41 | eightyeight | anaconda in rhel 6 beta is pretty sweet with san/fcoe/etc support |
| 21:54.30 | sinuhe | eightyeight: sjansen got it to crash yesterday during his demonstration. Yay for the awesome installer... |
| 21:55.49 | eightyeight | heh |
| 21:55.56 | sjansen | I'm warming up to debian-installer. It's just a shame that it's got so many holes in its documentation. |
| 21:55.58 | eightyeight | i get the bug buddy all the time in anaconda |
| 21:56.12 | eightyeight | especially when putting down lvm |
| 21:56.26 | eightyeight | i love the debian installer. not as polished, but everything is there |
| 21:56.30 | eightyeight | if only preseed didn't suck |
| 21:56.38 | markl_ | unum: what is your new hardware? |
| 21:57.38 | sjansen | See, I don't know that I'd say preseed sucks. It documentation leaves something to be designed, but so far if I bang on it hard enough I've been able to figure out how to do everything I need. |
| 21:57.54 | sjansen | s/designed/desired/ |
| 21:58.24 | sjansen | AutoYaST, on the other hand, continues to be pretty craptastic. |
| 21:58.25 | markl_ | sjansen: cedega |
| 21:58.35 | markl_ | is what you want to run windows games on linux |
| 21:58.47 | eightyeight | it's overly verbose on the options. using debconf, while it makes sense, isn't the right choice for an autoinstaller |
| 21:58.53 | markl_ | cpio's maximum file size has bitten me a few times |
| 21:58.56 | eightyeight | fai, on the other hand, has the right idea for debian |
| 21:59.33 | markl_ | linux mint is the "best" installer (subjective term i realize) |
| 21:59.41 | sinuhe | agrees with sjansen |
| 22:00.14 | eightyeight | i think preseed is worse than autoyast. at least autoyast is documented |
| 22:00.15 | markl_ | pre-installs dvd support, java, flash, lots of codecs |
| 22:00.18 | eightyeight | even if it is xml |
| 22:00.39 | sinuhe | eightyeight: AutoYaST documents what doesn't work, but which they hoped would. |
| 22:01.52 | eightyeight | that's more than what can be said for preseed |
| 22:02.33 | eightyeight | preseed requires a phd, a lot of patience, and more time on your hands than you have |
| 22:02.34 | sinuhe | eightyeight: Yet preseed works. |
| 22:03.06 | eightyeight | hasn't worked for me, actually |
| 22:03.14 | sinuhe | I wrote a preseed file for Ubuntu with only some headache. It took several us, and Stuart's persistence, to get the stupid autoyast files to work. |
| 22:03.21 | sjansen | AutoYaST's documentation is about as bad as preseed's. At least debian-installer works as documented. Sadly, linuxrc and YaST find new an annoying ways to break with each major release. |
| 22:03.25 | eightyeight | i have more trouble getting it to read the file i send to the kernel, than just doing an install |
| 22:03.56 | sinuhe | kickstart on the other hand is a walk in the park. |
| 22:04.03 | eightyeight | agreed |
| 22:04.09 | sinuhe | B-A=eutiful |
| 22:04.14 | eightyeight | it's the poster child |
| 22:04.28 | eightyeight | whatever that's supposed to mean |
| 22:05.04 | sinuhe | Actually, the simplest automated install seems to be Slackware. A couple slack commands in a script, referenced from a PXE server, and a copied DVD worked beautifully. |
| 22:05.38 | sinuhe | ducks from the onslaught coming his way... |
| 22:05.39 | eightyeight | i still prefer fai for debian |
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| 22:18.38 | sjansen | ~steal elg's voice |
| 22:18.39 | ibot | ACTION grabs elg's voice and gives it to sjansen |
| 22:20.49 | sinuhe | How did I miss that Mandriva is being sold? |
| 22:25.29 | TodPunk | http://www.good.is/post/intermission-iceland-s-eyjafjallajoekull-volcano-erupts-in-stop-motion/ |
| 22:25.36 | TodPunk | Just in case anyones into that sort of thing |
| 22:33.23 | sjansen | sinuhe: Easy. |
| 22:33.31 | sjansen | 1) Ignore the news for a day. |
| 22:33.37 | sjansen | 2) Ignore the news for another day. |
| 22:33.44 | sjansen | 3) Ignore the news for yet another day. |
| 22:33.50 | sjansen | 4) ??? |
| 22:33.53 | sjansen | 5) Profit! |
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| 22:50.02 | sinuhe | sjansen: Gee, thanks. I feel better already. |
| 22:50.28 | TodPunk | that's what sjansen does. He builds people up. |
| 23:08.01 | Tene | MySQL has a set of options for controlling which databases and tables a slave wants to accept replication for from the master. |
| 23:08.24 | Tene | There is a positive sense and a negative sense. replicate-do-db and replicate-ignore-db. |
| 23:09.19 | TodPunk | Tene: while true, if you're trying to replicate one database and not replicate another, you are going to have a headache on your hands trying to do that all in the same mysql server instance =cP |
| 23:09.27 | Tene | According to the documentation, as far as I can tell, replicate-do-db only acts as an exclusion list for -ignore-db. -do-db will never cause statements to not be accepted. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication-rules-db-options.html |
| 23:09.44 | Tene | They have a flowchart and text, and it's the same according to both of them. |
| 23:10.03 | Tene | In practice, on the mysql servers I'm looking at, -do-db means "ignore all dbs except these" |
| 23:11.00 | Tene | The documentation for the option itself does describe it as excluding other dbs, though. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/replication-options-slave.html#option_mysqld_replicate-do-db |
| 23:11.41 | TodPunk | Tene: you're looking at 4.1 docs AND 5.0 docs |
| 23:11.42 | Tene | So, I have servers that have both positive and negative options set, and the documentation explaining how they interact is full of lies. |
| 23:11.58 | Tene | TodPunk: I was comparing them, and copied the wrong urls. It's the same for both 4.x and 5.x |
| 23:12.03 | Tene | the same docs, at least. |
| 23:12.14 | TodPunk | ah |
| 23:12.33 | TodPunk | still stands by his original statement, though |
| 23:13.42 | Tene | still stands by "MySQL docs have lies, and that upsets me". |
| 23:15.38 | TodPunk | it's quite possible |
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