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| 05:45.06 | bonez2046 | anyone here familiar with LTSP..I am starting to think I should try that with my home network.. for my two boys machines.. |
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| 15:50.13 | sjansen | ~blame emcnabb |
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| 16:47.23 | sjansen | ~lart wikis |
| 16:47.23 | ibot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats wikis until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 16:47.36 | tensai | ~wiki sjansen |
| 16:48.25 | sjansen | Wikipedia understand the importance of not breaking links. It's the other, stupid wikis that bug me. |
| 16:49.23 | sjansen | http://en.opensuse.org/Download_Help#Burn_the_ISO_Image |
| 16:50.23 | sjansen | I _love_ the fact that a link to en.opensuse.org says "look at wiki.opensuse.org" in the first paragraph and "don't use wiki.opensuse.org" in the second paragraph. |
| 16:51.30 | sjansen | But, of course, the fun doesn't stop there. |
| 16:51.59 | sjansen | The anchor no longer works. It's been changed to http://en.opensuse.org/Download_Help#Burn_the_ISO_Image.28s.29 |
| 16:52.29 | sjansen | Brilliant. They added some random numbers for some reason. |
| 16:52.32 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 17:38.24 | TodPunk | Wikis are horrible, and I mean HORRIBLE places for documentation. It's a square peg into a round hole issue, and this is one of those corners that don't quite fit. |
| 17:42.42 | tensai | I disagree. wikis are great place to put horrible documentation, but that's an author issue. |
| 17:44.43 | jsmith | tensai: I don't think it comes down to wikis either. I think it comes down to responsibility and organization. (And it just so happens that wikis make it really easy to make *nobody* responsible for the documentation!) |
| 17:45.23 | tensai | the responsibility issue I would agree with |
| 17:46.27 | tensai | I set up a wiki a few months ago because I was tired of losing track of my own documentation. so far it's been a great success, but I will admit it's a pretty limited roll out so far |
| 17:46.54 | JoshH | wikis work as well as anything else, but people have to take documentation completeness and quality seriously no matter what you use |
| 17:47.19 | TodPunk | Even where you have the responsibility, such as in organizations like Novell, wikis are designed to hold self-contained articles that might or might not link to related articles throughout their presentation. This provides and exploration path, but not a consumable learning path. It's not a format for presenting information in an educational way. |
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| 17:48.39 | tensai | 3 cheers for backhoes. hip hip HOORAY. hip hip.. NO CARRIER |
| 17:49.53 | TodPunk | There are a limited subset of people that read documentation from a wiki and can piece it together, and I happily admit that it works for that subset. That subset also tends to be the kind that are happy to figure out how a program or a piece of hardware works with NO documenation, and will do so just fine. |
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| 18:19.44 | elg | ~laugh tensai |
| 18:19.47 | elg | ~lol tensai |
| 18:19.53 | elg | ~tickle tensai |
| 18:19.58 | elg | ~dosomethinguseful |
| 18:20.05 | elg | ~rlart |
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| 18:23.11 | Tene | ~lart elg |
| 18:23.11 | ibot | slaps elg upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 18:23.44 | Tene | elg: Where should I complain about facebook failing at email? |
| 18:24.07 | elg | failing in what way? |
| 18:24.49 | Tene | Facebook keeps complaining that they can't send email to me, and I keep needing to reconfirm my email address. |
| 18:24.58 | elg | ooh, me me |
| 18:25.07 | elg | I will throw it at the right place |
| 18:25.27 | Tene | If I were to speculate wildly, I'd guess it might be related to greylisting. |
| 18:25.27 | elg | (I had another friend report something similar, and it's a bug we're already looking into |
| 18:25.41 | elg | do you use spamcop? |
| 18:25.44 | Tene | No. |
| 18:26.01 | Tene | Never heard of spamcop. |
| 18:26.12 | elg | can you send me an email with details, and lots and lots of very irrefutable evidence that you don't use any realtime blacklists |
| 18:26.33 | elg | and any details you think would be relevant about your setup. |
| 18:26.50 | elg | we got listed by spamcop |
| 18:27.03 | Tene | This has been going on for many months. |
| 18:27.10 | Tene | is the spamcop thing recent? |
| 18:27.24 | elg | and it's been hard to convince the people working on the bug that not all the people seeing the problem are not because of the spamcop thing |
| 18:27.37 | elg | yes, this has been going on for months |
| 18:27.48 | Tene | Oh, looks like I do use spamcop. |
| 18:27.48 | elg | spamcop thing isn't really recent, about the same timeframe. |
| 18:28.06 | elg | could you try without spamcop? see if it happens again |
| 18:28.18 | Tene | I don't have root on that mail server anymore. :) |
| 18:28.50 | elg | ah. well, ok. go ahead and send the email but it won't help much |
| 18:29.03 | elg | maybe it really is spamcop all in all |
| 18:29.24 | Tene | Eh, nevermind then. |
| 18:29.49 | elg | or, if you use spamcop but not to reject mail (e.g. just to mark up your headers) |
| 18:30.24 | elg | the theory is domains using spamcop occasionally (randomly?) bounce mail from us and we trigger the verification thing |
| 19:05.05 | tensai | ~lart spamcop |
| 19:05.05 | ibot | hauls spamcop up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 19:05.28 | tensai | wouldn't use them if you paid me. same for sorbs. |
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| 19:57.27 | TodPunk | oh, blacklists |
| 19:58.41 | TodPunk | At my last job, we got spam complaints registered against us by spamcop users any time a user felt like reporting us. A couple times it was spam, most of the time it wasn't, and the times it was spam, it wasn't us, it was someone linking to us (oh, affiliates). |
| 19:59.21 | TodPunk | None of that mattered to the ISP. They just wanted no complaints. So essentially, blacklists come out to be more bullies than protectors of anyone. |
| 20:02.39 | tensai | spamcop won't even give you useful details to trace the messages, since that would give away details of the submitter |
| 20:04.09 | TodPunk | I used to respond to their submitters personally via their form, explaining "No, this isn't spam. It's a receipt of your purchase. It's not even an ad, nor was it unsolicited." I got a gay porn star arguing with me for a while over it. That was the best of them all, I think. |
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| 21:26.35 | TodPunk | oh, crap, meeting is this week, isn't it |
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