| 01:00.13 | levi | TodPunk: You liked the video? |
| 01:01.51 | TodPunk | yeah |
| 01:07.08 | levi | Figured it was either that or my overview of Marxism on the PLUG list. ;) |
| 01:08.59 | TodPunk | No, I don't care about all the marxism comments. It's getting old to me =cP |
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| 04:21.09 | eightyeight | any zsh hackers present? |
| 04:33.29 | fozzmoo | whistles, looks at the ceiling, looks at his watch, then steps out. |
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| 12:08.43 | eightyeight | so, zsh arrays count from 1 instead of 0. thxs is rather lame, i think |
| 12:08.56 | eightyeight | are there any programming languages that do this? |
| 12:14.37 | cedwards | file a bug |
| 12:23.07 | eightyeight | it's deliberate though. it's a "feature" |
| 12:23.37 | eightyeight | and they tell you that you must set KSH_ARRAYS if you want it to count from 0 |
| 12:23.58 | eightyeight | but, according to #zsh, setting KSH_ARARYS has unintended consequences |
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| 13:23.35 | markl_ | redbeard_work: whats up |
| 13:23.39 | markl_ | working at verio? |
| 13:23.55 | markl_ | or just hosting a vps there |
| 13:23.58 | markl_ | or both :) |
| 13:24.23 | redbeard_work | markl_: the former |
| 13:24.33 | markl_ | cool! |
| 13:24.41 | markl_ | too bad i work so far away, we can never do lunch |
| 13:24.45 | markl_ | i'm all the way over at attask |
| 13:24.50 | markl_ | on the other side of the parking lot |
| 13:24.57 | redbeard_work | that _is_ pretty far |
| 13:25.02 | redbeard_work | building K, right? |
| 13:25.11 | markl_ | i think that's the letter |
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| 14:40.15 | goozbach | morning |
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| 15:02.44 | maquis | redbeard_work: howdy |
| 15:05.40 | redbeard_work | maquis: howdy to you too |
| 15:06.49 | maquis | :) |
| 15:12.24 | goozbach | what am I? chopped liver? |
| 15:12.31 | goozbach | how's the little one maquis? |
| 15:12.44 | eightyeight | ~chop goozbach |
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| 15:13.35 | maquis | goozbach: doing good. she's a little sweetie :) |
| 15:14.05 | maquis | gotta give her her medicine now :) |
| 15:18.02 | maquis | http://www.mcnewfamily.net/callie/IMG_0987.jpg |
| 15:18.28 | maquis | that's her easter dress :) |
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| 15:30.33 | eightyeight | chubby cheeks! :) |
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| 15:31.22 | eightyeight | is she a redhead? |
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| 15:46.51 | TodPunk | she looks like one |
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| 16:25.13 | maquis | yup. a redhead |
| 16:25.20 | maquis | and yes, very chubby cheeks :) |
| 16:30.12 | jsmith | Fat babies are happy babies! |
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| 16:41.53 | tensai | I have a usb drive that I'm trying to attach to a centos 4 server. is there anything special I have to do? |
| 16:42.07 | tensai | with the drive plugged in, lsusb freezes up |
| 16:42.26 | tensai | nothing useful shows up in dmesg when the drive is attached |
| 16:43.21 | tensai | looks like lsusb locks up reading /proc/bus/usb/001/001 |
| 16:43.35 | TodPunk | just doesn't have the driver? |
| 16:43.55 | TodPunk | is it a thumb drive, or an actual hard drive? |
| 16:44.21 | tensai | hard drive |
| 16:44.25 | TodPunk | if it's all working, it should at least show up in /dev |
| 16:44.52 | tensai | yeah it never gets that far |
| 16:45.12 | TodPunk | My guess is driver issue, but that seems odd. USB drives are old tech, you know? |
| 16:45.30 | TodPunk | anything in messages? |
| 16:45.35 | TodPunk | or syslog? |
| 16:45.51 | TodPunk | might help narrow down where whatever is happening. |
| 16:48.17 | tensai | just messages about registering usb drivers |
| 16:49.00 | tensai | I tried removing ohci_hcd and that locked up too. probably because I've got lsusb stuck. |
| 16:49.40 | tensai | I guess I haven't ever tried lsusb with the drive unplugged. maybe it's a general usb problem. |
| 16:53.42 | TodPunk | wonder if it's a hardware issue |
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| 16:53.52 | TodPunk | seems far-fetched for it to be so |
| 16:55.17 | TodPunk | if the drivers load, and then lsusb just hangs, I suppose I don't have the experience to say definitively, but I'd guess it's just not communicating with the usb controller. At least not with those drivers. |
| 16:56.15 | tensai | I wonder if I need to try uhci_hcd instead |
| 16:56.32 | TodPunk | what could it hurt? |
| 16:56.49 | TodPunk | (that's a serious question, it could hurt a lot of things, depending on your setup) |
| 16:59.11 | tensai | there are no other usb devices, luckily |
| 16:59.38 | tensai | 00:0f.2 USB Controller: Broadcom OSB4/CSB5 OHCI USB Controller (rev 05) (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) |
| 16:59.50 | tensai | seems likely it's ohci |
| 17:00.07 | maquis | jsmith: well, she's definitely a happy one :) |
| 17:00.23 | maquis | last check, 40th percentile for weight, 3rd percentile for height :P |
| 17:11.42 | eightyeight | levi: party pooper |
| 17:18.00 | macnewbold | maquis: are you talking about me? those sound somewhat like my stats |
| 17:18.10 | macnewbold | except maybe the weight part, not sure |
| 17:19.24 | eightyeight | redbeard_work: can i pick your brain over apache config? |
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| 17:19.25 | maquis | lol |
| 17:27.16 | maquis | is reading St Augustine's Enchiridion. It is really quite interesting, although some of the discussions of the Trinity are quite confusing. |
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| 17:32.54 | sjansen | Unix is so awesome. |
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| 17:34.22 | redbeard_work | eightyeight: fire away |
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| 17:35.32 | eightyeight | redbeard_work: i want to do a directory listing of a directory, but i want to ignore files in that directory, and prevent them from showing up. i have IndexIgnore in my .htaccess (or config), but it isn't working. thoughts? |
| 17:35.54 | eightyeight | sjansen: what about unix tickled you today? |
| 17:36.38 | sjansen | I'm trying to figure out why spooling Ubuntu is so much slower than spooling RHEL or SLES. |
| 17:37.31 | sjansen | As part of my investigation, I wanted to know how many bytes were required to represent the relative paths of all the files on the disc. |
| 17:38.14 | goozbach | using wc somehow? |
| 17:38.15 | sjansen | At first I thought I'd either have to ballpark or throw together a quick script. |
| 17:38.30 | sjansen | Then I realized I was being silly. |
| 17:38.35 | sjansen | find | wc |
| 17:38.51 | eightyeight | heh. nice |
| 17:40.21 | eightyeight | sjansen: so, what did you find as a result? |
| 17:41.00 | sjansen | For the U8.04.1 DVD: 327919 |
| 17:41.12 | sjansen | I haven't looked at the other discs yet. |
| 17:42.17 | eightyeight | why not 10.04? |
| 17:43.26 | markl_ | long story, heh |
| 17:43.52 | markl_ | sjansen: what do you mean by "spooling" ? |
| 17:43.55 | markl_ | like postgres? |
| 17:43.58 | markl_ | er |
| 17:43.59 | markl_ | postfix |
| 17:44.51 | sjansen | eightyeight: Tsk, tsk. You should know the answer to that. |
| 17:45.13 | sjansen | markl_: cp -dRp /media/foo /export/foo |
| 17:46.23 | eightyeight | sjansen: i guess i don't know if you're developing, or setting up for class. for development, i don't know the answer. for class, ok |
| 17:48.21 | redbeard_work | eightyeight: i'll have to get back to you on the indexignore thing |
| 17:48.33 | redbeard_work | i don't mean to blow you off, but i can't look at it right now |
| 17:48.49 | eightyeight | ok |
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| 18:01.24 | sjansen | Anybody know if python len(list) is O(1) or O(n)? |
| 18:08.18 | sinuhe | Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems |
| 18:08.20 | sinuhe | Doh |
| 18:08.26 | sinuhe | http://bytes.com/topic/python/answers/33024-algorithmic-complexity-len-list |
| 18:08.39 | sinuhe | s/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems// |
| 18:18.14 | TodPunk | eightyeight: you have mod_autoindex allowed in that dir, correct? |
| 18:19.02 | TodPunk | I presume you're doing a "Options +Indexes" right before IndexIgnore? |
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| 18:22.29 | eightyeight | yeah. my problem was putting the IndexIgnore in <Location> rather than <Directory>, although apache threw no errors |
| 18:22.45 | TodPunk | It's valid syntax, it just doesn't do anything =cP |
| 18:22.47 | eightyeight | TodPunk: although, i don't understand why it wasn't working with a .htaccess file |
| 18:23.04 | TodPunk | That could be a million reasons |
| 18:23.06 | eightyeight | but, the global config is good enough |
| 18:23.29 | eightyeight | well, i try to keep things simple |
| 18:24.25 | TodPunk | I try to not have .htaccess files allowed. Slower. I want to convert to lighttpd though. |
| 18:25.00 | fozzmoo | TodPunk: nginx FTW. |
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| 18:27.40 | TodPunk | nah, looks like a lot of work for a web server |
| 18:28.11 | TodPunk | http://www.rkblog.rk.edu.pl/w/p/django-nginx/ <--- that's a crap ton of config |
| 18:37.10 | fozzmoo | Oh, not just serving static files. |
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| 18:50.33 | TodPunk | fozzmoo: serving static files for part of it, I'm sure. |
| 18:50.48 | TodPunk | if I had multiple servers, I'd probably separate the two =cP |
| 19:00.15 | TodPunk | sshaw: how is google sucking it up? I haven't noticed any problems. Now you have me worried. |
| 19:00.55 | sshaw | TodPunk: its just being slow to expand email threads, slow to actually send the email, and slow to move between emails |
| 19:01.21 | sshaw | I deleted 12000 emails over the last couple days. Not sure if that has any impact? |
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| 19:15.46 | TodPunk | I have no idea |
| 19:23.24 | sjansen | http://i.huffpost.com/gen/163965/CRAYOLA-ARIZONA.jpg |
| 19:24.14 | Migs | hahaha |
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| 20:11.11 | Migs | I'm looking at my old college transcript, and apparently I took a Playwriting course. I don't even remember that. |
| 20:16.47 | Migs | I wonder what play(s) I wrote for the class. |
| 20:19.32 | levi | Whee, PCI debugging with a logic analyzer. |
| 20:21.59 | unum | I just want to mention how much I hate daylight savings time |
| 20:22.09 | sinuhe | seconds |
| 20:25.08 | levi | unum: You haven't adjusted yet? |
| 20:26.26 | JoshH | learn to enjoy being outside |
| 20:27.25 | sjansen | Outside? Is that the big place with an HVAC problem? |
| 20:28.00 | JoshH | hehe |
| 20:28.25 | keldwud | hey, what was the terminal command to run a program without tying up the shell? |
| 20:28.30 | keldwud | was it pound? |
| 20:28.40 | JoshH | & ? |
| 20:28.48 | keldwud | ampersand, got it |
| 20:28.50 | keldwud | thanks :) |
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| 21:07.52 | unum | oops |
| 21:08.04 | unum | I ran a cpan update on a production surver yesterday |
| 21:08.09 | unum | turned out to be a very bad idea |
| 21:08.26 | unum | I have a rule in postgres so that a value is returned on an insert |
| 21:08.35 | unum | that's no longer working.... |
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| 21:20.50 | sjansen | Perhaps I simply don't understand CPAN well enough, but it seems like it makes having a proper pre-prod environment unnecessarily difficult. |
| 21:28.37 | unum | I really should have tested all of that |
| 21:28.44 | unum | man that was a mistake |
| 21:29.07 | unum | I've really got to quit doing stuff like that |
| 21:29.25 | unum | now I need to figure out how to do what i want to do |
| 21:29.43 | redbeard_work | cpan2rpm (or cpan2deb) is your friend. or whatever it is they call it now. |
| 21:32.39 | jsmith | redbeard_work: If only cpan2rpm worked as well in practice as it does in theory... |
| 21:32.44 | jsmith | sighs |
| 21:33.23 | redbeard_work | it has the occasional hiccup that needs to be troubleshot, but i would take it over running cpan directly any day |
| 21:38.52 | sjansen | Last I checked, cpanspec was recommended over cpan2rpm. |
| 21:39.41 | jsmith | sjansen: Interesting... I hadn't heard of that one. I'll have to check it out, if/when I need to touch perl again |
| 21:39.42 | redbeard_work | sjansen: thanks, that's what it's called now |
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| 22:32.26 | unum | I can't figure out how to get perl to return a result on an insert |
| 22:32.34 | unum | I can't figure out how to google for this problem |
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| 22:41.03 | fozzmoo | unum: You using DBI? |
| 22:41.33 | fozzmoo | jsmith: I use cpanspec and when it doesn't work, I fall back to cpan2rpm |
| 22:41.48 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Good to know |
| 22:46.56 | JoshH | what's the best site for finding the cheapest airfare these days? |
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| 22:51.30 | unum | fozzmoo: yes |
| 22:51.38 | unum | I ran an update on it yesterday |
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| 22:52.08 | unum | and now it no longer allows me to run fetchrow_array on a query after executing it if the query was an insert |
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