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| 00:16.21 | TodPunk | facebook connector > openID. Discuss. |
| 00:16.40 | eightyeight | facebook connect == oauth 2.0 |
| 00:17.05 | TodPunk | the protocol it uses, sure, but I'm more talking interface implementation |
| 00:18.01 | eightyeight | meh. i'm so tired of the countless sso options, it's defeating the purpose |
| 00:18.03 | TodPunk | Sites using facebook connect a) have a standardized interface for it (because it's facebook doing it all, literally) and b) literally have only to click "I approve" and you're done. |
| 00:18.56 | TodPunk | Even stackoverflow still required me to go through a three step process, not counting actually logging in to my google account |
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| 13:42.17 | *** topic/#utah by tensai -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | .... AND TIME!!!!!....... is still marching on! | Be kind, rewind |
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| 14:45.03 | goozbach | morning |
| 14:46.20 | sinuhe | Morning |
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| 15:14.28 | TodPunk | oh what a beautiful moooooooorniiiiiiing |
| 15:14.48 | goozbach | put on a smiling face! |
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| 15:58.27 | bonez2046 | Ardelia K. Sto...Ardelia K. Sto... |
| 15:58.31 | bonez2046 | 3oops.. |
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| 16:19.03 | elg | ~hack tensai |
| 16:19.04 | ibot | ACTION teaches tensai nethack so that tensai will play until 6 AM |
| 16:19.43 | tensai | I don't think I ever got past dungeon level 6 |
| 16:19.55 | tensai | is not very good at nethack |
| 16:20.31 | TodPunk | played it once, and thought it incredibly boring to try and figure out the interface |
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| 16:37.23 | fungus | http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/ |
| 16:39.24 | elg | it is about that time isn't it? |
| 16:39.38 | elg | there's still 2 days left in april. aren't they a bit early? |
| 16:40.00 | fungus | yes, it's here! |
| 16:41.55 | tvc123 | I'm still seeing rc4 |
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| 16:59.20 | unum | I have some questions about bucardo that's not being answered from the overview |
| 16:59.33 | unum | just about how the master slave thing works |
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| 17:06.13 | elg | methinks we need an sjansen plugin to ibot |
| 17:06.16 | elg | like unto chucknorris |
| 17:06.19 | elg | ~chucknorris |
| 17:06.20 | ibot | Chuck Norris moves at two speeds: Walk and kill. |
| 17:09.00 | goozbach | ~sjansen |
| 17:09.01 | ibot | sjansen is one hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is |
| 17:09.35 | goozbach | ~sjansen is also <reply> sjansen has more awesome in his pinky than.. |
| 17:09.36 | ibot | ACTION tells is also <reply> sjansen has more awesome in his pinky than.. good things about sjansen |
| 17:09.42 | goozbach | man |
| 17:24.17 | bonez2046 | anyone know if one can record phone calls with one's google voice account? |
| 17:25.09 | unum | oops got distracted why asking my question |
| 17:25.23 | unum | so if you are using bucardo and your master server fails |
| 17:25.41 | unum | do you just change a dns entry and have everything switch to the slave |
| 17:27.20 | unum | nm found it on the wiki |
| 17:28.19 | unum | though that raises new questions..... |
| 17:28.52 | unum | so if I have applications that are only reading from the database can I point them to slaves? |
| 17:29.39 | unum | hmmmmm |
| 17:31.15 | tvc123 | bonez2046: yes http://www.google.com/support/voice/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=115037 |
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| 17:33.29 | sjansen | just noticed that tensai is connecting over IPv6 |
| 17:33.35 | sjansen | tensai: You rock. |
| 17:34.37 | tensai | this is true |
| 17:35.28 | tensai | just wish I could get native ipv6 instead of a tunnel |
| 17:37.35 | TodPunk | bonez2046: In what way? You can do the voicemail thing. |
| 17:37.50 | TodPunk | If someone calls in, you can have it go to voicemail and just join on the line |
| 17:38.00 | TodPunk | but most smartphones have apps to record a call anyway |
| 17:39.11 | bonez2046 | thanks. |
| 17:39.15 | bonez2046 | this is very helpful |
| 17:40.26 | TodPunk | I do hope so. I was hoping you didn't have some weird expectation like wanting to push a button and have google voice start recording any random phone call from any phone or something =c) |
| 17:40.48 | TodPunk | We get questions like that all the time in freeswitch >.< |
| 17:42.28 | tvc123 | TodPunk: if you followed the link I gave you can actually push a button and have google voice record any call |
| 17:44.00 | TodPunk | tvc123: yes, if the call is going through google voice in the first place |
| 17:44.29 | TodPunk | I didn't want to assume that, since it wasn't stated (and he hadn't responded to your link to approve that was what he was doing) |
| 17:46.06 | tvc123 | TodPunk: I thought that's what he had asked in the first place ... but I could be wrong |
| 17:49.04 | TodPunk | It could have been construed as that, but it wasn't explicit, and I've answered him incorrectly in the past on what I thought was implied information. I'm just being cautious, you're not in the wrong here or anything =c) |
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| 18:21.04 | JoshH | was this guy known to anyone in the lugs at all? http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10576735 |
| 18:22.46 | keldwud | heh, what a dumb-ass |
| 18:23.30 | keldwud | I bet it didn't take the feds long to put together a case against him |
| 18:28.00 | JoshH | who names their kid zeldon? |
| 18:28.08 | TodPunk | Mormons |
| 18:28.17 | JoshH | is it a BOM name? |
| 18:29.21 | Migs | Don't think so |
| 18:29.23 | Migs | http://www.heraldextra.com/business/article_cc686e18-e79b-5e4b-b319-353b1a2adbde.html |
| 18:29.31 | TodPunk | not that I'm aware of |
| 18:29.38 | JoshH | ah, so you were joking |
| 18:29.46 | TodPunk | well of course |
| 18:29.55 | Migs | more info there |
| 18:30.19 | JoshH | the "open source solutions" just made me wonder if he was an old plugger or something |
| 18:30.42 | TodPunk | He was hired as a contractor by Open Source Solutions |
| 18:30.55 | TodPunk | or Open Solutions, Inc |
| 18:31.04 | TodPunk | depending on which story you're reading |
| 18:31.08 | JoshH | i only read ksl |
| 18:31.16 | Migs | don't we all? |
| 18:31.25 | TodPunk | doesn't =c( |
| 18:31.35 | JoshH | read, past tense |
| 18:32.07 | sjansen | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/042910-terry-childs-juror-explains-why.html |
| 18:38.11 | elg | i haven't been following that case |
| 18:38.22 | elg | but that juror sounds a little egotistical himself |
| 18:39.40 | levi | I dunno, I've had smart but socially dysfunctional coworkers before, and it sounds like a reasonable way to talk about them. |
| 18:40.49 | elg | they guy may well be |
| 18:42.00 | elg | all I know is at the end of reading the article and seeing that made me chuckle. of course I don't have all the info on the juror any more than the defendant, but that's the tone I "heard" |
| 18:42.50 | JoshH | he probably felt important since he was being interviewed |
| 18:42.52 | elg | which also isn't to say he might not be right - a lot of egotistical people are that way because they're right more often than not. :) |
| 18:42.57 | JoshH | but i didn't get that same impression |
| 18:43.27 | keldwud | that childs case is freaking ridiculous |
| 18:43.38 | levi | Probably not more egotistical than your average techie. He got asked questions and answered them. |
| 18:44.09 | keldwud | I can't believe they found him guilty. Didn't this case start over a year ago? I remember hearing something about it a while back |
| 18:45.09 | elg | if i had to begin to analyze my reaction I might pin it on the condescending tone about the media, his apparent insights into how the situation should have been handled, etc. |
| 18:45.12 | elg | but I don't really care that much. |
| 18:45.32 | sjansen | I can understand finding him guilty. But if the judge imposes the full 5 years, it'll be an injustice. |
| 18:45.57 | JoshH | i don't see what possible excuse the guy could have to not hand everything over after he was fired |
| 18:46.03 | sjansen | Time served seems appropriate to me. |
| 18:46.06 | JoshH | but 5 years is certainly a bit excessive for a crime like that |
| 18:46.19 | keldwud | I would have refused to provide passwords over a conference call |
| 18:46.35 | JoshH | why? |
| 18:46.44 | keldwud | high security risk |
| 18:46.51 | keldwud | and no encryption |
| 18:46.52 | levi | He shouldn't have been the only person to know the passwords in the first place. |
| 18:46.59 | JoshH | what's funny though is that the management should have been the ones fired |
| 18:47.00 | JoshH | exactly levi |
| 18:47.08 | TodPunk | I think that's an ample punishment. He appears to basically have been trying to hold the network hostage. |
| 18:47.09 | JoshH | they had no process in place for passwords/access at all, apparently |
| 18:47.18 | keldwud | from what I've read so far, it appears that it was the city's fault for not having other people with the apssword |
| 18:47.27 | JoshH | whoever he reported to was clearly a moron |
| 18:47.39 | TodPunk | yes he was |
| 18:47.39 | keldwud | *authorized users* |
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| 18:47.48 | TodPunk | government execs usually are |
| 18:48.39 | sjansen | The conference call was a misstep. The extended refusal after the call was what got him. |
| 18:49.47 | JoshH | TodPunk: * execs usually are |
| 18:49.58 | JoshH | but there still should have been some kind of institutional process for that sort of thing |
| 18:50.09 | JoshH | rather than just saying "well gee, terry is the one who does all that" |
| 18:51.17 | levi | I don't really have a lot of sympathy for Childs. |
| 18:51.21 | goozbach | government * usuaally are |
| 18:51.27 | sjansen | Shoulda, coulda, woulda. When someone above you demands the appropriate passwords, you prophesy catastrophe then hand them over. |
| 18:51.35 | JoshH | agreed |
| 18:51.37 | levi | Exactly. |
| 18:51.39 | goozbach | over a conference call? |
| 18:51.47 | goozbach | maybe not |
| 18:51.53 | JoshH | i have no sympathy for him at all, but i also think there should be other firings based on these events |
| 18:52.07 | levi | He might have worked out a way to transfer the passwords during the conference call without actually speaking them. |
| 18:52.23 | JoshH | goozbach: haven't you ever tried reading a long, complex password to someone over the phone? it's a blast |
| 18:52.23 | goozbach | but a "This is a bad idea, I'll give them to my boss offline, but I'm going on the record as saying this isn't a good idea" |
| 18:52.40 | sjansen | How hard is it to say "I'm uncomfortable revealing that over a conference call. Meet me at my office." |
| 18:52.41 | sjansen | ? |
| 18:52.49 | JoshH | i would have quickly read them, and then said ok, gotta run, and hung up |
| 18:53.10 | goozbach | JoshH: apg -tl |
| 18:53.32 | goozbach | yayRidye (yay-Rid-ye) yankee-alfa-yankee-Romeo-india-delta-yankee-echo |
| 18:54.16 | levi | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/042910-terry-childs-juror-expla\ |
| 18:54.20 | levi | ins-why.html |
| 18:54.35 | levi | Oops, wrong paste. |
| 18:54.37 | sjansen | spoon tango umbrage atomic resistance terrorist |
| 18:54.39 | JoshH | goozbach: that's not fun though |
| 18:54.40 | levi | http://www.cio.com.au/article/255165/sorting_facts_terry_childs_case/?fp=&fpid=&pf=1 |
| 18:54.49 | elg | sjansen doesn't turn over passwords, passwords turn over sjansen. |
| 18:54.57 | JoshH | whenever someone asks me to make up some random password, i make sure it's very long and has tons of special characters |
| 18:55.08 | sjansen | elg: That doesn't even make sense. |
| 18:55.22 | elg | takes a bow |
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| 19:01.23 | goozbach | sjansen bows to no one, but everyone should bow to sjansen, esp elg |
| 19:02.04 | sjansen | Come on, if you're going to turn me into a meme at least don't make it boring. |
| 19:02.10 | levi | Anyway, I agree with the guilty verdict after hearing the jury guy and seeing that fact list, and I also think time served would be sufficient punishment. |
| 19:03.21 | sjansen | sjansen doesn't have to download files, files are just naturally attracted to sjansen. |
| 19:05.20 | levi | Hmm, Ubuntu 10.04 is out? |
| 19:05.52 | markl__ | levi: release candidate |
| 19:05.59 | markl__ | but unless they find a show stopper, it is the final |
| 19:06.08 | markl__ | tomorrow is the official date |
| 19:06.10 | Migs | kind of pushing it close this release |
| 19:06.29 | markl__ | they changed a lot of fundamental stuff |
| 19:06.52 | markl__ | upstart & plymouth are really annoying imo |
| 19:06.58 | JoshH | the final isos are up now |
| 19:07.01 | levi | Just got an Ars Technica feed article saying it was released. |
| 19:07.14 | JoshH | today is the official date |
| 19:07.24 | JoshH | but it took a while this morning cause they had to fix some grub problem |
| 19:08.18 | markl__ | it really bothers me that they just have a "virtual machine host" option |
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| 19:08.39 | levi | Does it included 3d acceleration in the open source ATI driver? That'd encourage me to upgrade immediately. |
| 19:08.40 | markl__ | but i guess it is a distro's right to choose their preferred type |
| 19:08.48 | markl__ | levi: hhaaahahaaaha |
| 19:08.57 | levi | Uh |
| 19:09.04 | markl__ | highly unlikely |
| 19:11.18 | sjansen | decides markl__ is a downer and vows never to mix him with caffeine again |
| 19:11.37 | markl__ | heh |
| 19:11.54 | markl__ | no, i am sad & dismayed that I can't use the ATI open source driver for anything |
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| 19:12.01 | markl__ | but i'm glad they are trying at least |
| 19:12.27 | levi | My laptop has a problem where the fglrx driver causes extreme slowness when 3d effects are enabled. It's been open since 9.04 and last I checked a couple of months ago the intended resolution was going to be 3d support in the open source driver. |
| 19:12.48 | markl__ | there is an #ati channel |
| 19:12.53 | markl__ | they may be able to help |
| 19:13.06 | JoshH | levi: is that ubuntu specific? |
| 19:13.30 | levi | I have a fix, but it depends on some special xorg packages. |
| 19:13.37 | JoshH | yuck |
| 19:14.01 | levi | There was apparently a patch that fixed it that had to be backed out because it caused bad stuff on intel cards or something. |
| 19:14.34 | markl__ | interesting |
| 19:15.09 | JoshH | i think there was a major intel bug with the last release iirc |
| 19:15.20 | sjansen | So how does everyone feel above ads for Justin Bieber running on ubuntu.com? |
| 19:15.23 | JoshH | i just always make sure i have nvidia |
| 19:15.28 | levi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/351186?comments=all |
| 19:15.29 | goozbach | sjansen: love it! |
| 19:15.34 | goozbach | advertise all over |
| 19:15.37 | goozbach | yay! |
| 19:15.54 | goozbach | this irc post brought to you by twizzler(tm) |
| 19:16.41 | fozzmoo | yum. |
| 19:17.13 | goozbach | (I lost the redvines contract) |
| 19:22.58 | levi | Hmm, from what I can see, the radeon driver in Lucid Lynx has support for 3d desktop effects on ATI cards. |
| 19:25.31 | Migs | http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/Video/Two-become-one-021242830555557?quality=hq |
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| 19:44.40 | wingman | hey utah. are there any stores/swap meets in or around northern utah (utah county and up) where you can be cheap PC parts, like pentium 3 mobos, etc? |
| 19:45.09 | wingman | somewhere i can just go on a whim, instead of waiting for something in the mail |
| 19:45.29 | wingman | *buy |
| 19:51.55 | eightyeight | ~ping |
| 19:51.56 | ibot | ~pong |
| 19:51.59 | TodPunk | wingman: MAS/JPS Solutions or whatever they call themselves has older stuff. They're at just above 800 north State in Orem, on the east side. |
| 19:52.28 | TodPunk | Sometimes EBC locations used to sell some older stuff. |
| 19:53.22 | fozzmoo | TodPunk: Yeah- but they've probably been sneezed on by someone with a highly contagious respiratory virus. |
| 19:53.59 | TodPunk | fozzmoo: if you are so into old hardware that you go on a whim, you probably already have such a virus, and it could use the company =cP |
| 19:55.04 | TodPunk | On a more serious note, I don't like either shop, but they do have the older stuff. |
| 19:55.38 | TodPunk | EBC specifically I hate their "if you pay cash, it's one price, credit is another" shenanigans |
| 19:56.04 | wingman | thx guys |
| 19:56.14 | TodPunk | np |
| 19:59.51 | Migs | http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129157492031525193.jpg |
| 20:11.47 | sjansen | http://i.imgur.com/NUq4P.jpg |
| 20:24.21 | Migs | wat? |
| 20:25.53 | Migs | here's the news article: http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=12391667 |
| 20:26.31 | Migs | er |
| 20:29.26 | elg | yikes |
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| 21:45.39 | rsimpkins | Can someone think of a reliable way to determine if a server has a default route that is easily scriptable? |
| 21:46.10 | TodPunk | one and only one? |
| 21:46.30 | rsimpkins | Yes. |
| 21:47.00 | TodPunk | puts on a sad attempt at his linux command-line-fu |
| 21:47.24 | rsimpkins | I'm thinking something like ip route show to <some internet IP> |
| 21:47.43 | rsimpkins | er, or not. |
| 21:47.49 | TodPunk | route -n | |
| 21:48.18 | TodPunk | the destination will be 0.0.0.0 or whatever the equivalent in ipv6 is that I can't recall |
| 21:48.59 | TodPunk | if it has a gateway , and the Flags has a G in it, you're good. If that's the only row in it that has those criteria |
| 21:49.25 | rsimpkins | I do believe this will work, any comment? ip route show to 0/0 |
| 21:49.50 | TodPunk | indeed it will |
| 21:50.08 | TodPunk | if THAT returns two lines, you have some conflict. |
| 21:50.15 | rsimpkins | Yup. |
| 21:50.29 | rsimpkins | Now, if only ip would exit 1 on an empty return. :( |
| 21:51.04 | TodPunk | just count the number of lines, and if it's not == 1, then worry about which side it falls on. |
| 21:52.08 | rsimpkins | Here is my solution - if ip route show to 0/0 | grep -q default; then echo "There is a route"; else echo "There is no route"; fi |
| 21:52.29 | rsimpkins | Can anyone make it better? |
| 21:53.29 | TodPunk | not off the top of my head |
| 21:58.53 | rsimpkins | Well, it just worked on 15 servers, so hopefully that's production ready. ;-) |
| 21:59.22 | sjansen | rsimpkins: Does it matter that there might be multiple routing tables? |
| 22:00.07 | rsimpkins | sjansen: I only want one default route. |
| 22:01.48 | TodPunk | has yet to run into a situation where muiltiple routing tables was useful, but it's possible there might be some need for it |
| 22:02.00 | TodPunk | maybe virtual hosts, if you managed it that way |
| 22:02.13 | sjansen | rsimpkins: My point is, most systems only have one routing table. But in more advanced configurations like traffic shaping, the system may have multiple routing tables for different types of traffic. Do you care? |
| 22:02.23 | stderr | Welcome back to Utah, Karl Rove! http://i43.tinypic.com/2mebqd2.jpg |
| 22:02.37 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Oh, I see. No, in this application it does not have to be that robust. |
| 22:28.47 | eightyeight | ~pong |
| 22:28.48 | ibot | ~ping |
| 22:35.43 | eightyeight | ~boo |
| 22:35.43 | ibot | for heaven's sake, eightyeight, don't do that! |
| 22:35.50 | eightyeight | ~say eightyeight |
| 22:35.51 | ibot | eightyeight |
| 22:35.55 | eightyeight | meh |
| 22:36.31 | eightyeight | ~say eightyeight |
| 22:36.32 | ibot | eightyeight |
| 22:40.35 | eightyeight | kicks ibot |
| 22:42.20 | eightyeight | ~say eightyeight |
| 22:42.21 | ibot | eightyeight |
| 22:42.58 | fozzmoo | wonders what kind of response he's hoping to get from ibot |
| 22:43.13 | eightyeight | it's all about the color. it doesn't work in pm |
| 22:43.28 | eightyeight | actually, i think he's in a bot channel specifically for this spam, isn't he? |
| 22:43.32 | eightyeight | he/she/it |
| 22:43.44 | fozzmoo | shrugs |
| 22:43.54 | fozzmoo | is proxied to pidgin... so no color. |
| 22:44.25 | eightyeight | trying to get my irssi theme 100% compatible with white text on black and black text on white |
| 22:46.02 | eightyeight | #botpark. that's it |
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| 23:48.19 | markl_ | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/04/29/1940221/Toms-Hardware-On-the-Current-Stable-of-Office-Apps-for-Linux |
| 23:58.20 | fozzmoo | is amazed people still read Slashdot. |
