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| 18:26.56 | goozbach | shoul I start now to get y own? |
| 18:27.04 | goozbach | or just wait an buy one |
| 18:27.07 | goozbach | ? |
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| 19:53.02 | unum | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/24/bill-maher-to-tea-baggers_n_550430.html |
| 19:53.13 | unum | not really a fan of the huffingtonpost |
| 19:53.19 | unum | but I like what bill maher says |
| 19:53.39 | levi | I like what he says except when he says stuff I don't like. |
| 19:54.34 | JoshH | bill maher is my favorite political talking guy |
| 19:54.38 | JoshH | i always watch his show |
| 19:54.44 | unum | levi: agreed :) |
| 19:54.51 | unum | I like john stuart |
| 19:54.58 | JoshH | no other show's panel discussions even come close |
| 19:55.28 | levi | BTW, NPR has the New Pornographer's new album up for a First Listen. |
| 19:58.09 | goozbach | levi: link/ |
| 19:58.18 | levi | http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126174756&sc=fb&cc=fp |
| 19:58.53 | fozzmoo | Hmmm. Bill Maher, like most people outside the Tea Party phenomenon, has a misunderstanding of the general meaning of the Tea Party movement. He should read that NYT poll from a week or so ago. |
| 19:59.56 | markl_ | the tea party is just a mishmash of random anti-obama people. there is really no unifying issue. |
| 20:00.09 | levi | I'd consider it a bit of a warning sign when a movement only makes sense from the inside. |
| 20:00.12 | JoshH | the tea party is just the republican base |
| 20:00.18 | JoshH | he talked about it earlier in that episode |
| 20:00.33 | JoshH | same kind of people as the minutemen |
| 20:01.01 | markl_ | as usual, the sane tea partiers are always drowned out by the birthers, confederates, etc |
| 20:01.09 | fozzmoo | Actually, there was a Washington Post reporter, fairly liberal, who reported on the 4/15 events in D.C. and gave the Tea Party a pretty fair assessment. |
| 20:01.13 | JoshH | almost every utah tea bagger will vote for romney in the primary and whoever the gop candidate is in the 2012 general |
| 20:01.20 | fozzmoo | He even admitted he disagreed with about 95% of what they were espousing. |
| 20:01.37 | levi | There are clearly a couple of different phenomena that are grouped together at Tea Party groups. |
| 20:01.38 | fozzmoo | JoshH: May I just remind you that the term "tea bagger" is fairly offensive. |
| 20:01.55 | JoshH | fozzmoo: i know :) |
| 20:02.16 | markl_ | the problem is that to be taken seriously, they have to spend 95% of their time distancing themselves from palin, bush, birthers, etc. |
| 20:02.23 | JoshH | levi is right though |
| 20:02.28 | fozzmoo | Yeah, he is. |
| 20:02.30 | JoshH | there are people like fozzmoo and gate |
| 20:02.41 | JoshH | then there are the birthers and racists |
| 20:02.51 | fozzmoo | No, I disagree with that. |
| 20:02.55 | JoshH | the latter makes up the public image of the movement |
| 20:03.01 | fozzmoo | I'd say the tea parties consist of large numbers of libertarians... |
| 20:03.09 | fozzmoo | and large numbers of conservatives... |
| 20:03.14 | fozzmoo | You've got your Ron Paul people... |
| 20:03.18 | fozzmoo | and your Sarah Palin people... |
| 20:03.29 | fozzmoo | and then you have your small numbers of fringe. |
| 20:03.32 | unum | the only other self identified tea party member I know, spent 20 mintutes explaining to me how obama is an anti-crist |
| 20:03.35 | unum | christ |
| 20:03.43 | JoshH | so it's basically just everyone who hates obama and are also fed up with people like bob bennett |
| 20:03.44 | fozzmoo | Those are the ones the photographers love to shoot. |
| 20:03.53 | fozzmoo | (or the ones unum chooses to talk to.) |
| 20:04.01 | unum | those are the ones who have time to show up at rallies :) |
| 20:04.06 | unum | it's the same on the left |
| 20:04.39 | unum | crazy people have less responsibities |
| 20:04.45 | markl_ | fozzmoo: well in that sense, ron paul (principled, understands issues) and sarah palin (ignorant narcissistic opportunist) are like matter and antimatter. no movement that contains both of them can survive |
| 20:04.46 | fozzmoo | My complaint with the tea party movement is that it's becoming a huge campaign event. |
| 20:04.48 | levi | The movement was started by Ron Paul libertarian types, and was later co-opted by Fox News and co., at which point you got random Republicans showing up en masse, including the lunatic fringe of right-wing-dom. |
| 20:05.08 | levi | (Not that there isn't a lunatic fringe within the Ron Paul group) |
| 20:05.22 | fozzmoo | markl_: I like Sarah Palin. She's not ignorant or narcissistic, but she's not qualified for office outside of Alaska, IMO. |
| 20:05.34 | JoshH | she's not ignorant? |
| 20:05.58 | fozzmoo | levi: I disagree. Ron Paul had his own "tea parties" a couple years ago during his run for president. |
| 20:06.22 | levi | fozzmoo: How is that a disagreement with what I said? |
| 20:06.30 | fozzmoo | But the current tea party movement was effectively started by CNBC reporter Rick Santelli in Chicago in Feb of last year. |
| 20:06.53 | fozzmoo | It was his on-air comments (and the reaction of all the traders on the floor behind him) that really got things moving. |
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| 20:07.55 | markl_ | I like palin when she talks sports. The people that support her scare the shit out of me though. They will support whoever pisses off "libruls" the most, no matter how dangerous |
| 20:07.59 | fozzmoo | But, anyway- like I said. Campaign event. |
| 20:08.34 | fozzmoo | I didn't go to the 4/15 rallies in SLC, but I saw pictures of all the GOP US senate candidates promoting themselves like mad at the rallies. |
| 20:08.50 | fozzmoo | That's a lot different than the rallies were last year. |
| 20:08.58 | fozzmoo | I shouldn't be surprised, I suppose... |
| 20:09.04 | fozzmoo | But I'm still disappointed. |
| 20:09.32 | unum | are any of bennets opponents anything but oppurtunists? |
| 20:09.33 | JoshH | fozzmoo: those 4/15 rallies were basically just people talkign to the tv news reporters about they "probably won't need to use their guns to take back america" and "don't think we need a citizen militia, at least not yet" |
| 20:09.33 | fozzmoo | Last year, it was about principles and values. 4/15 looked like it was about candidates. |
| 20:09.48 | unum | it seems most of them have histories of supporting things contrary to the tea party movement |
| 20:10.19 | fozzmoo | waves at jsmith-away |
| 20:10.33 | JoshH | fozzmoo: republicans are fighting like crazy to get the tea party vote, it's hilarious but sad |
| 20:10.43 | fozzmoo | JoshH: I agree. |
| 20:11.23 | JoshH | i wish the local tea party would try to do something about utah's gerrymandered districts |
| 20:11.32 | goozbach | levi: this is a good listen! |
| 20:11.43 | fozzmoo | JoshH: Many in the tea party are not GOP. They consider themselves independent. If a democrat came along and convinced them he/she supported the same principles/values, they'd get the tea party vote. |
| 20:11.50 | fozzmoo | I'm probably be idealistic... |
| 20:11.57 | fozzmoo | But still. |
| 20:11.58 | levi | goozbach: You should check out their earlier albums, too. |
| 20:12.27 | fozzmoo | JoshH: I wish someone would do something about gerrymandered districts nationwide! |
| 20:12.29 | markl_ | unum: is any politician not an opportunist? :) |
| 20:12.39 | markl_ | besides ron paul i guess |
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| 20:13.02 | JoshH | did you guys see bob bennett's "strong on national security" ad? |
| 20:13.15 | unum | markl_: actually I do think there are many hard working, honest politicians |
| 20:13.16 | fozzmoo | JoshH: Glenn Beck has talked about that- that the districts should just be laid out in straight gridlines. Nice squares of even population numbers. |
| 20:13.25 | unum | who step in and run against people they really do oppose |
| 20:13.57 | fozzmoo | Anyone seen Barney Frank's district boundaries? Sheeesh. |
| 20:14.02 | unum | well a grid is exactly what the republicans want in utah |
| 20:14.20 | fozzmoo | http://nationalatlas.gov/printable/images/preview/congdist/MA04_109.gif |
| 20:14.27 | JoshH | fozzmoo: i think we should either base districts around where registered voters live, or not have districts at all. if we just used straight lines, what's the point of even having a district? |
| 20:15.03 | JoshH | the idea is that every area gets a candidate that represents them, right? |
| 20:15.09 | fozzmoo | Right. |
| 20:15.21 | fozzmoo | isn't SL County split between the 3 districts right now? That's silly. |
| 20:15.33 | unum | next year it will be four |
| 20:15.45 | unum | "pie shaped" is the plan |
| 20:16.05 | unum | so each district has a slice of the county |
| 20:16.20 | unum | making sure the county is a minority in each district |
| 20:16.27 | JoshH | fozzmoo: pashdown has a quote on his blog about how he crosses all 3 districts during his morning run in the capitol hill area in slc |
| 20:16.34 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 20:17.14 | unum | ya I wonder if they'll try and break up the city into all four districts |
| 20:17.26 | unum | probably break up the entire east side of the valley |
| 20:17.35 | unum | as much as possible |
| 20:17.37 | fozzmoo | So, yeah, Utah districts, Barney Frank's ridiculous district... it's all stupid. |
| 20:18.14 | JoshH | we should just have no districts at all, and go straight majority. otherwise, anyone who isn't in the majority in their district will always have a wasted vote |
| 20:18.33 | JoshH | a simple majority has problems too, but at least it's somewhat more fair |
| 20:19.38 | unum | JoshH: I think you are misunderstanding the problem |
| 20:19.51 | unum | unless you are suggesting something like what is done in germany and iraq |
| 20:19.54 | JoshH | fozzmoo: did you see barney frank's district map on glenn beck? i wonder how powerful republican's districts are shaped |
| 20:20.10 | JoshH | unum: i do understand the problem, i just don't think that any solutions are good |
| 20:20.26 | JoshH | though i'd be happy with a strong liberal district in slc anyway |
| 20:20.28 | fozzmoo | JoshH: Exactly. It's not a party issue. It's a corruption issue. Both parties. |
| 20:20.30 | unum | JoshH: well you said we should go straigh majority |
| 20:20.35 | unum | with out districts |
| 20:20.46 | unum | how does that put 4 people in office |
| 20:21.01 | unum | oh we vote four all four seperatly state wide? |
| 20:21.04 | JoshH | unum: because even with great districts, some people would still be screwed. |
| 20:21.18 | JoshH | i think a statewide vote for house members would be reasonable |
| 20:21.36 | JoshH | and i wouldn't mind getting rid of the senate |
| 20:22.13 | JoshH | all the senate does is screw up what the house passes, like the health care bill |
| 20:23.33 | levi | While we're considering constitutional changes to the government... |
| 20:23.33 | fozzmoo | The senate is supposed to represent the states... which it doesn't anymore. |
| 20:23.58 | JoshH | levi: i'm just dreaming |
| 20:23.59 | fozzmoo | I'd be all for repeal of the... what is it? the 16th ammendment? |
| 20:24.12 | fozzmoo | which ever one it is that changed how the senate is elected. |
| 20:24.31 | JoshH | fozzmoo: i disagree with that |
| 20:24.41 | JoshH | the people should definitely pick the senators |
| 20:24.43 | unum | I'm with joshh on this one, I think that was a good change |
| 20:25.00 | JoshH | but, why do we need both a house and a senate, really? |
| 20:25.09 | JoshH | we elect house guys, then elect senate guys to just mess up everything they do? |
| 20:25.21 | fozzmoo | Hey- quick question... |
| 20:25.29 | fozzmoo | If you have a Xen image file... |
| 20:25.36 | fozzmoo | and LVM partitions inside of it. |
| 20:25.39 | levi | JoshH: Because the Founding Fathers said so. |
| 20:25.48 | fozzmoo | And you extend the size of the image file... |
| 20:26.03 | fozzmoo | how do you resize an ext3 filesystem inside? |
| 20:26.11 | fozzmoo | like with resize2fs? |
| 20:26.19 | levi | I'm sure you're familiar with the compromises behind the existence of both House and Senate. |
| 20:26.36 | fozzmoo | it's about representation of the wishes of the people vs wishes of the states. |
| 20:26.41 | JoshH | levi: ya, i know. but now, it just seems like it creates so much crap |
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| 20:27.05 | levi | That's compromise for you. :) |
| 20:27.24 | fozzmoo | So, any thoughts on the Xen resize thing? |
| 20:27.29 | JoshH | fozzmoo: the wishes of the states are usually just the wishes of the 3 or 4 most powerful members of a state's dominant party, right? |
| 20:27.57 | JoshH | if we had the utah legislature appointing senators, it would just be some freak chosen by waddoups and buttars |
| 20:28.07 | JoshH | in that case, it would probably still be orrin hatch |
| 20:28.23 | fozzmoo | Which is why local participation is so important. :) |
| 20:28.24 | unum | and bennet |
| 20:28.32 | levi | JoshH: Sure, but it keeps big states from whomping on little states. |
| 20:28.55 | unum | but I just wonder why the little states have a right to push around the big states |
| 20:29.13 | unum | there's a reason states aren't allowed to have constitutions like the federal constitution |
| 20:29.14 | levi | I mean, who would care about what a few South Dakota voters had to say about anything otherwise? |
| 20:31.00 | unum | it seems unfair sometimes that those of us in the minority havo so much power |
| 20:31.14 | levi | That was the general idea, though. |
| 20:31.19 | fozzmoo | prints out unum's last msg and frames it. |
| 20:31.25 | JoshH | i think it's time to get rid of the electoral college for sure |
| 20:31.32 | levi | To keep the majority from picking on minorities. |
| 20:31.58 | unum | and the constitution was voted on state by state |
| 20:32.36 | JoshH | no matter how you look it, it's tough to come with a system that's better than ours in theory |
| 20:32.47 | JoshH | but the flaws in our system definitely show |
| 20:35.35 | Migs | I never really did see the point to the electoral college |
| 20:35.46 | levi | Governing people is hard. |
| 20:35.50 | Migs | well, I DO, actually. But I don't think it's the best. |
| 20:35.58 | levi | Especially if you care about stuff like freedom. |
| 20:36.08 | levi | And keeping people happy. |
| 20:36.10 | Migs | Especially because it means that my vote counts for pretty much nothing |
| 20:36.18 | unum | my complaint with the tea party is not the people like fozzmoo(and my brother) who have always opposed many government programs, but with all the people who didn't care two years ago |
| 20:36.32 | JoshH | even if we didn't get rid of it entirely, it would be a big improvement if the states electoral votes had to go the way a state's popular vote went |
| 20:36.39 | fozzmoo | Does it really matter that they didn't care 2 years ago? They care now. |
| 20:36.58 | unum | the electoral college increases the values of votes in smaller states(well the votes of the majority in those states) |
| 20:36.59 | JoshH | it's the fact that we have electors that bugs me |
| 20:37.00 | Migs | Utah is overwhelmingly Republican. I might as well just let nature take its course, since Utah's electoral votes will always be Republican. |
| 20:37.02 | levi | unum: Most of any political movement will probably be composed of people who didn't care 2 years ago. |
| 20:37.26 | Migs | Are the electors even obligated to vote for their state's popular voted candidate? |
| 20:37.47 | JoshH | nope |
| 20:38.07 | unum | fozzmoo: the problems were caused further back then two years ago, and most of these people have no true understanding of them |
| 20:38.17 | unum | admittedly many were started before I was born |
| 20:38.18 | JoshH | but you're right. if you don't live in a swing state, your vote is always pointless |
| 20:38.18 | Migs | so I have to HOPE that my vote will count for something? |
| 20:38.23 | unum | but it's a lot to learn in two years |
| 20:38.31 | JoshH | that outweights the supposed benefits for the smaller states of having it, imo |
| 20:38.31 | Migs | That's why I don't bother voting. At least not in presidential elections. |
| 20:38.48 | Migs | local elections and stuff, sure. That I can actually have sway over. |
| 20:39.11 | unum | I'm moving to a state leg district that was decided by 18 votes two elections ago |
| 20:39.28 | fozzmoo | Say what you want about tea parties... (or insult the members' dentistry like Maher does), but they're populated by a growing number of people who feel passionate enough to be politically active and, like unum said, many weren't in that position 2 years ago. |
| 20:39.40 | unum | my current district might be close this year. the republicans found someone with a lot of money and name recognition |
| 20:39.51 | JoshH | fozzmoo: but most of them are just republicans who are starting to be frustrated |
| 20:40.15 | unum | I'll take them seriously when they replace bennet |
| 20:40.25 | fozzmoo | unum: They (we) will. :-D |
| 20:40.31 | unum | especially if they actually replace him with someone we believes what they do |
| 20:40.31 | JoshH | with who? |
| 20:40.40 | unum | mike lee is an opurtunist |
| 20:40.56 | fozzmoo | unum: *You* are an opportunist. |
| 20:41.18 | unum | mike lee is lying about his views in order to take office |
| 20:41.34 | fozzmoo | But, honestly, Mike Lee is a big constitution guy. Go to one of his "An Evening With The Constitution" events. |
| 20:41.37 | unum | admittly you have to adapt to your districts views if you want to win |
| 20:41.49 | unum | fozzmoo: look at what he did before two years ago |
| 20:41.57 | unum | he supported no child left behind |
| 20:42.08 | fozzmoo | Are you sure you're not thinking of Tim Bridgewater? |
| 20:42.13 | unum | and other federal laws that he now says are unconstitutional |
| 20:42.14 | Migs | I wish there were a way to only vote for PART of a candidate's views |
| 20:42.15 | unum | maybe I am |
| 20:42.22 | unum | sorry, so many of them it's easy to mix up |
| 20:42.29 | Migs | so you could get some meld of different candidates, each responsible for different aspects of governance |
| 20:43.14 | Migs | Then the new candidate could be genetically engineered, or possibly programmed as a superhuman android |
| 20:54.13 | levi | There's no way that could go wrong. |
| 20:54.26 | Gate | Resistance is futile. |
| 20:57.00 | markl_ | Migs: exactly |
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| 21:41.34 | rsimpkins | Why don't we switch to a full democracy, and use the voting system that american idol uses to vote. ;-) |
| 21:41.47 | rsimpkins | I wouldn't mind texting in a few votes a day. |
| 21:46.51 | unum | would we have votes on weather we are going to vote |
| 21:47.06 | unum | and 61% would have to agree that we even want to vote |
| 21:47.24 | rsimpkins | Nothing catalyzes a group of individuals more than opposition. So, I'm sure the culture wars would really heat up. |
| 21:47.41 | rsimpkins | I'm betting on the side with the most guns will eventually win. |
| 21:56.44 | TodPunk | So Texas then |
| 21:57.02 | TodPunk | rsimpkins: you tease me so on the list. |
| 21:57.36 | rsimpkins | TodPunk: Do you see something you like? |
| 21:59.34 | TodPunk | Oh, how loaded a question this is. |
| 22:00.17 | TodPunk | I've been told by some people in the marketing side of the software industry that I should go into Product Management, but I have never had the title, so that's an uphill battle. |
| 22:01.46 | rsimpkins | TodPunk: The PM side of our house is very tight. Lots of experienced guys. |
| 22:01.46 | rsimpkins | Frequent interactions with our top customers, etc. |
| 22:01.55 | TodPunk | I'd like to go engineering, but I've not enjoyed the team I've interviewed with there two years ago. NetOps sounds good, but my salary requirements are usually higher than people like. so... *shrug* |
| 22:01.55 | TodPunk | I'm thinking about it =cP |
| 22:02.45 | rsimpkins | TodPunk: Yeah, I'll admit the culture here is probably different than in most shops in the area. |
| 22:02.57 | rsimpkins | TodPunk: Which group did you interview with? |
| 22:03.39 | TodPunk | Somewhere in software engineering. It was a horrible experience, with both of them asking a question, my answering the question they asked, and them saying "No, what I mean is..." followed by a quite different question. |
| 22:03.46 | TodPunk | I am NOT a poor communicator. |
| 22:04.09 | JoshH | TodPunk: i disagree, i can barely make sense of your ramblings on irc |
| 22:04.17 | JoshH | :P |
| 22:04.20 | TodPunk | =c/ |
| 22:05.07 | rsimpkins | TodPunk: Depending on which group you talked to, that may not be much of a surprise. |
| 22:06.20 | rsimpkins | There are 1200 people just in our BU, 200+ Engineers, and I wanna say 80+ people in NetOps. As in any large organization, there is a lot of variability. |
| 22:06.40 | JoshH | wow, that's a crowd |
| 22:06.43 | unum | ya |
| 22:06.52 | unum | we have two "computer guys" |
| 22:06.59 | rsimpkins | We do it with far less people than some others out there though. |
| 22:07.04 | TodPunk | Tell you what, can I send you my resume off-list and you give me a guess on where you think I'd add the best value? |
| 22:07.16 | unum | ironicly we have a "data processing manager" with a cs degree |
| 22:07.23 | unum | the it guys do not have cs degrees |
| 22:07.23 | rsimpkins | TodPunk: Yes, please send it to rsimpkin@adobe.com so I have it at the office. |
| 22:07.59 | JoshH | no s? |
| 22:08.27 | rsimpkins | Yeah, adobe messed me up. :( |
| 22:08.38 | rsimpkins | They have some legacy thing in their CAS that limits usernames to 8 chars. |
| 22:08.48 | rsimpkins | Some old SAP system I'm guessing. |
| 22:09.08 | JoshH | couldn't just retain the @omniture address? |
| 22:09.21 | rsimpkins | JoshH: That still works. |
| 22:09.41 | rsimpkins | JoshH: It just messes up reply to all, and leads to dupe messages. |
| 22:09.42 | TodPunk | done and done |
| 22:10.02 | JoshH | interesting that they had you switch |
| 22:10.18 | TodPunk | JoshH: it's important to build the Adobe brand for them. |
| 22:10.34 | rsimpkins | When you're running IT for 8000 employees, the options get a little slim I'm thinking. |
| 22:11.01 | rsimpkins | They are getting pretty heavy on the Adobe style branding. |
| 22:11.11 | rsimpkins | So, not sure where that is going to lead just yet. |
| 22:11.15 | JoshH | i just think companies they buy out would retain their identity, at least to an extent |
| 22:11.26 | TodPunk | rsimpkins: do you know if they have any ridiculous "If you engineer anything, we own it, regardless of when or where you do so" clause? |
| 22:11.35 | TodPunk | in their Employee Handbook I mean |
| 22:11.47 | rsimpkins | TodPunk: There are exceptions that can be made, I believe. I don't know all the details. |
| 22:11.59 | TodPunk | interesting |
| 22:13.25 | rsimpkins | TodPunk: I don't know of anyone who has specifically complained about it. Presumably it is either not an issue, or people don't come and work here if it is an issue. |
| 22:14.00 | JoshH | maybe you can engineer photoshop for linux |
| 22:14.11 | JoshH | and let them own it |
| 22:14.51 | TodPunk | has been writing backup software |
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| 23:05.17 | maquis | TodPunk: you looking for a job? |
| 23:05.27 | TodPunk | maquis: aye |
| 23:05.40 | maquis | utah-specific? or willing to consider seattle? |
| 23:06.31 | TodPunk | Oddly enough, I'm very willing to consider the Seattle area for the right position. |
| 23:06.40 | TodPunk | I like rain >.> |
| 23:06.42 | maquis | software dev? |
| 23:07.01 | TodPunk | Among other things. I work for startups, mostly, and I end up doing a lot of stuff. |
| 23:07.51 | TodPunk | Last position I started as a PHP programmer, ended up doing all the IT Management, had a couple programmers under me, built the call center from 20 employees to 85, and built an HR department. Was good times. |
| 23:08.09 | maquis | hmmm... last i checked, most people dont consider amazon a startup anymore... but I have some good connections there... |
| 23:08.12 | maquis | :) |
| 23:08.58 | Gate | TodPunk: Steton.com <-- they are hiring at least two positions |
| 23:09.38 | TodPunk | Oh, it's just a fledgling little website. So few people have even heard of it, maquis =cP |
| 23:10.49 | maquis | :) |
| 23:15.39 | TodPunk | Gate: thanks for the heads up. I'll send them a line. |
| 23:16.52 | TodPunk | St. George, eh? |
| 23:19.13 | TodPunk | runs to a class |
| 23:22.14 | Gate | TodPunk: yeah, they are my old employer down here |
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| 23:30.14 | elg | goozbach: you can make your own in about 4 days, it'll be fully awesome in about 2 weeks |
| 23:30.17 | elg | or I can send you some |
| 23:41.03 | goozbach | elg: you saw the frankenwebber, no? |
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