| 00:00.03 | JoshH | i agree that that isn't right |
| 00:00.06 | rsimpkins | Have I offended everyone at least once today? |
| 00:00.14 | rsimpkins | is anyone not still offended? |
| 00:00.19 | TodPunk | I'm not offended |
| 00:00.22 | JoshH | i think just about any of the common ideas for tax reform would be better than that we have now |
| 00:00.23 | TodPunk | gotta try harder |
| 00:00.24 | sjansen | Why should employees be any different? Why should I be tied down to a job I hate because I'm afraid of losing my healthcare when everyone would benefit if I chased after work I was better at for better pay? |
| 00:00.27 | rsimpkins | TodPunk: Your ugly, and you smell funny. |
| 00:00.32 | TodPunk | I agree |
| 00:00.35 | rsimpkins | dang. |
| 00:00.39 | TodPunk | I haven't showered today |
| 00:00.40 | Gate | JoshH: that is one of two reasons I join the Tea Parties |
| 00:00.44 | TodPunk | The joys of unemployment |
| 00:01.20 | JoshH | rsimpkins: i never get offended by anything |
| 00:01.24 | Gate | The other is that I don't believe that the fibonacci sequence was meant as a debt calculator |
| 00:02.10 | rsimpkins | JoshH: well, I find that quite offensive. |
| 00:02.48 | JoshH | Gate: it would be pretty awesome if the tea party could focus on logical issues like the debt problem and help find practical solutions |
| 00:03.14 | Gate | JoshH: nearly every Tea Party I attend does |
| 00:03.48 | Gate | we have been smeared in the media as racist homophobes, but we (at least, everyone I know who is involved) are about taxes and national debt |
| 00:03.54 | JoshH | i can only go by what i've seen in the media of the tea party, and what i see their members write online |
| 00:04.17 | Gate | JoshH: which is largely sensationalist crap. But that is nothing new. |
| 00:04.36 | JoshH | what was your affiliation before the tea party started? |
| 00:04.51 | Gate | JoshH: Libertarian |
| 00:04.52 | sjansen | Perhaps the tea party just needs time to focus itself. I think a major third party would be a big improvement. But a lot of the tea party propaganda so far seems to be based more on hate than reason. |
| 00:05.01 | Gate | which I still consider myself |
| 00:05.15 | JoshH | sjansen: agreed |
| 00:05.17 | TodPunk | is a member of the TnL Party, who have the political stance of "Wheaties Fuel is a horrible cereal" |
| 00:05.24 | JoshH | the 2 party system is just awful for the country |
| 00:05.53 | Gate | Agreed. At this point I don't see a significant policy difference between the two major parties. |
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| 00:06.22 | sjansen | I don't know that I'd go that far. The two party system has made it hard for communism or real socialism to make much progress. The constant fight over the middle makes it hard to get very far into the extremes. |
| 00:06.29 | Gate | They are both pro-interventionalism and war, they are both pro-big-government, etc. |
| 00:06.38 | JoshH | they do differ in important ways, but they really don't get a lot done that benefits us at all |
| 00:06.56 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Yes, it is preventing the marxist revolution I've been planning... with my army of hamsters... running Linux. |
| 00:07.12 | sjansen | Really, I think the biggest benefit of a third party would be replacing the Republican parties old role. |
| 00:07.28 | JoshH | sjansen: the tea party seems to be sucking a lot of extremists away from the republican party, and is dangerous to them in the primaries. but in a real general election between the 2 major party candidates, they would still vote republican |
| 00:07.36 | Gate | JoshH: but that's my problem, they claim to differ, and they fight each other. But when in power, they pretty much do the same things in differing amounts. |
| 00:07.40 | rsimpkins | I think the tea party will simply take over the republican party. |
| 00:08.04 | sjansen | Perhaps the fact that they agree on so much means that much of what the agree on is a good idea. |
| 00:08.29 | Gate | rsimpkins: unlikely a takeover. More like a change of course, I think |
| 00:08.44 | TodPunk | ~ping |
| 00:08.45 | ibot | ~pong |
| 00:08.48 | TodPunk | darn |
| 00:08.48 | rsimpkins | Gate: Well, when they are the ones dictating the course - I like to call that a takeover. :) |
| 00:08.59 | Gate | I just think crap sounds the same on either side of the isle |
| 00:09.22 | Gate | rsimpkins: the problem is I don't think it will be "dictating" |
| 00:09.52 | Gate | I think the republicans will beg, lie and cheat their way into Tea Partier votes then in a few years go back to the same crap |
| 00:09.58 | rsimpkins | Gate: What are the three most important things in your life? |
| 00:10.12 | sjansen | As far as I'm concerned the biggest test of whether the tea party has become a real party is if they choose to reject Palin. |
| 00:10.16 | JoshH | Gate: i don't even know if the tea party actually has a real platform, but if they do, how much of it lines up with your views? |
| 00:10.43 | JoshH | Gate: you nailed it with republicans. look at the way people like shurtleff and bennett were courting them, and that's just in utah. |
| 00:10.56 | JoshH | and people like carl wimmer too |
| 00:11.20 | TodPunk | would love to see Palin as president |
| 00:12.38 | sjansen | JoshH: The heart of the tea party does seem to be lower taxes _and_ lower spending. But they've also attracted a lunatic fringe that needs to be shaken off. If it's instead embraced, the tea party is doomed. |
| 00:13.23 | Gate | JoshH: there was a group that put together the "core principals" of the Tea Party for the last 4/15 protest |
| 00:13.35 | TodPunk | Slightly different topic. I've been invited to this group against bullying. They think that "bullying needs to stop" because kids are attempting to and actually committing suicide over it. Thoughts? |
| 00:13.55 | JoshH | TodPunk: i think you should go and kick the crap out of them |
| 00:14.00 | rsimpkins | TodPunk: Huh. I've been told I need to send my kids to school so they can learn how to deal with bullies. |
| 00:14.36 | rsimpkins | if there are no bullies, how will they learn to deal with bullies? |
| 00:15.08 | rsimpkins | And with that. I'm going to go spend time with my kiddos. and bully them. |
| 00:15.09 | TodPunk | was under the impression that bullies have existed in any social group over a certain size, and learning how to deal with them WITHOUT committing suicide was part of a parent's responsibility to teach their children to grow a pair |
| 00:15.23 | TodPunk | good luck with that, rsimpkins |
| 00:15.27 | rsimpkins | hehe. :) |
| 00:15.40 | sjansen | I'm all for reducing bullying. But I think we should also look at the benefit of reducing reports about bullying leading to suicide. |
| 00:15.46 | Gate | JoshH: this looks about right http://www.thecontract.org/ |
| 00:15.58 | sjansen | It's been show that reports about suicides increases the number of suicides. |
| 00:16.11 | TodPunk | peer pressure suicided |
| 00:16.36 | sjansen | And we don't exactly want a kid in a tough situation to be thinking "I could wait four years and it'll all be over, or I could commit suicide and they'll all go to prison..." |
| 00:16.52 | Gate | JoshH: The Tea Party isn't a full platform group. it can pretty much be summed up in "Smaller government, less taxes, more freedom" |
| 00:17.49 | JoshH | how is it different from the libertarian party? |
| 00:17.54 | markl_ | sjansen: yeah, i was just thinking the same thing about palin; no serious person could support her. |
| 00:18.06 | TodPunk | Dealing with bullying 101: Stop caring about bullies and they will move on to a victim that does care. |
| 00:18.16 | Gate | JoshH: Libertarianism is more general, less focused and smaller |
| 00:18.27 | JoshH | i see |
| 00:18.33 | TodPunk | If they start physically attacking you: go for the eyes, throat, crotch, and knees. |
| 00:19.40 | Gate | JoshH: I would say that Tea Party ideas are a subset of Libertarianism |
| 00:20.46 | markl_ | Gate: it isn't that simple at all; it is really just a mishmash of people who are against obama. mainly people who wanted to criticize bush but were to loyal to the republican party to do so |
| 00:20.58 | markl_ | e.g. bush bankrupted the country but they want to blame obama |
| 00:21.06 | TodPunk | which libertarianism? The "public resources" one or the "claim jumpers" one? |
| 00:21.43 | Gate | markl_: I disagree. Bush pulled the same crap and the Tea Parties started picking up steam there (the first bailouts, I think) |
| 00:23.04 | Gate | markl_: there is a reason the Tea Party is largely distanced from the Republicans. We're pissed at them too. |
| 00:23.16 | sjansen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_%28United_States,_1912%29 |
| 00:23.28 | Gate | Ah, history lessons ;) |
| 00:24.03 | Gate | Well, as much as I like advocating, I really need to finish this work and go home. |
| 00:24.18 | markl_ | largely as in, a vast majority vote republican? |
| 00:24.19 | TodPunk | Go forth, and finish |
| 00:25.04 | TodPunk | Ahahahahhaha, how appropriate: http://wondermark.com/ |
| 00:25.36 | markl_ | what i am waiting for is the tea party folks to truly reject the crazies (birthers, confederates, palinites) and propose serious policies to balance the budget and increase our freedom |
| 00:26.05 | sjansen | TodPunk: You know that you can buy framed wondermark prints? I might just have to buy that one. |
| 00:26.25 | TodPunk | sjansen: I did know that, yes |
| 00:26.32 | TodPunk | the alt-text is also usually awesome |
| 00:28.06 | sjansen | Hmmm. Which is the lesser of two evils? Joe Random's payment system, or Pay Pal? |
| 00:28.37 | sjansen | I'm kinda inclined to trust Joe Random more. |
| 00:28.45 | TodPunk | that's how I'd go |
| 00:29.35 | TodPunk | you know, if you're paranoid about online payments, there are banks that offer a free service for your check-card where you generate a card number with the exact amount on it, and then use it for that payment and never use it again |
| 00:29.55 | markl_ | and most importantly, tea partiers should understand the principles in George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language," (http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm) |
| 00:30.13 | markl_ | cliff's notes version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_and_the_English_Language |
| 00:30.14 | TodPunk | psst, markl_, we've moved on to online comics and printing them out |
| 00:30.16 | Gate | markl_: the Tea Party doesn't care what you believe. It is entirely focused on size of government, government spending and taxes. |
| 00:30.17 | markl_ | heh |
| 00:30.34 | Gate | You wither agree or you don't. |
| 00:30.37 | markl_ | Gate: that is a great way to attract new members, say that you don't care what other people believe |
| 00:31.38 | markl_ | just trying to say why i, as a libertarian-minded conservative and Ron Paul supporter, could never support the current Tea Party |
| 00:32.01 | Gate | markl_: what I am saying is that the Tea Party is hyperfocused on those issues and will pursue them alone. It doesn't have a platform, there is no group initiation saying that you must believe anything. |
| 00:32.39 | Gate | anyway, task completed and homeward bound. |
| 00:33.10 | Gate | markl_: I don't think anyone expects the Tea Party to last beyond the next two elections. |
| 00:34.17 | markl_ | what are the issues? |
| 00:34.27 | markl_ | is there a faq or something? |
| 00:47.38 | sjansen | I'm not paranoid about only payments. But I am a Web developer and sysadmin. I'm not inclined to trust most systems. |
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| 01:13.54 | TodPunk | ok, paranoia is a bit of an extreme, but caution didn't have the same ring to it |
| 01:15.27 | levi | Heh, I missed another political discussion. Oh well. |
| 01:16.36 | TodPunk | levi: I'll trade you places =cP |
| 01:17.00 | levi | I'm not really feeling up to an argument at the moment anyway. |
| 01:17.09 | levi | Just had my appendix removed last night. |
| 01:18.24 | TodPunk | Wow, congrats! Sucktastic that it happens, but always good to know you made it. |
| 01:19.13 | levi | Yeah. Just a few days of feeling crappy ahead of me, and life should be good again. ;) |
| 01:25.34 | levi | Man, I miss the days when programming.reddit.com was interesting. |
| 01:29.28 | TodPunk | Wasn't that just like, the first month it was launched? |
| 01:36.25 | levi | I thought it was interesting for a while. But the interesting (to me) stuff is pretty much gone now. |
| 01:45.39 | sjansen | Just think, thanks to Obama the next time you need to have your appendix removed a death panel will probably recommend that you be euthanized instead. |
| 01:47.14 | TodPunk | at least he'll be able to afford it! |
| 01:49.53 | sjansen | hugs chown --reference= |
| 02:15.07 | levi | Sweet, that'd solve all my problems. :P |
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| 02:52.42 | TodPunk | I have decided that JSP is where web dev dreams go to die. |
| 02:52.51 | sjansen | Oh? |
| 02:53.45 | TodPunk | I've setup IIS for ASP.NET before, and honestly, it gets a little more complex than it really needs to be with all its application domain abstraction, but I'm fine with it and its philosophy. It's ok. |
| 02:53.46 | sjansen | Granted, it has attracted some really ugly, over-designed libraries, but I'm not sure what'd make you say that. |
| 02:55.00 | TodPunk | Setting up glassfish is the most ridiculous process I have ever gone through, and after trudging through it, I am now ready to start working on deploying something with JSP, but I have 0 interest anymore, because I can't fathom why I would want to run anything on this ridiculous server |
| 02:55.20 | TodPunk | Just the Hello World example takes 17% CPU and returns rather slow |
| 02:55.58 | TodPunk | Sure, I'm on a laptop, but who cares? I'm not even doing any Java yet! |
| 02:56.34 | sjansen | I haven't used Glassfish. My understanding it that's it's a full fledged J2EE server. If all you're interested in is JSP, check out Tomcat. |
| 02:57.22 | TodPunk | I figured if I'm going to learn JSP, the only reason you'd want to use JSP over PHP or ASP.NET is the application server behind it. |
| 02:57.46 | TodPunk | Otherwise, what does JSP have that everything else doesn't? |
| 02:58.17 | TodPunk | am I crazy on that? I realize I'm making sweeping assumptions about JSP in the first place. |
| 02:58.42 | sjansen | There's a lot of hype propping Java up. |
| 02:59.04 | fozzmoo | is in Pittsburgh |
| 02:59.09 | TodPunk | wb fozzmoo |
| 02:59.25 | fozzmoo | was solicited by a homeless man as soon as he stepped out of the taxi |
| 02:59.39 | sjansen | It's a memory hog. Its community has a tendency toward really ugly designs. They've never seen and XML file they didn't love. |
| 03:00.38 | sjansen | Really, JSP isn't all that exciting anymore. |
| 03:01.57 | TodPunk | I like Java. It's not my favorite, but I got over my stigma from when it was 1.3 and slow as molasses. It has a good built-in API. Yet working with Java EE I'm reminded of all the crap that annoyed me about Java in 99/00, and that's "We have no idea how to make simple tools for people to use our language" |
| 03:02.02 | TodPunk | Netbeans is an exception. |
| 03:02.07 | fozzmoo | HATES Java. |
| 03:02.24 | fozzmoo | feels like vomiting due to this subject matter. |
| 03:02.39 | TodPunk | Well, we're done with it, so the worst is over, fozzmoo =cP |
| 03:02.49 | fozzmoo | Whew. |
| 03:03.18 | fozzmoo | If Java apps didn't scale so well, I'd take PHP over Java. |
| 03:03.47 | TodPunk | Now I must decide, continue with PHP or bust out django. PHP is a sad excuse for a language, but it's only web dev, and thus doesn't matter too much. django is probably more fun to work in, but I can make PHP scale so much better. |
| 03:03.52 | TodPunk | Decisions decisions |
| 03:04.11 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Did I mention that Freenode is all Java based? |
| 03:04.23 | fozzmoo | spews |
| 03:04.35 | sjansen | Yeah, and the Plug leadership is thinking above moving the group toward a more Java-focused agenda. |
| 03:05.51 | sjansen | As I understand it, the Obama administration wants to start licensing software developers. All the exams are going to be Java based. |
| 03:06.12 | sjansen | They're going to be running a pilot program in... Where do you live again fozzmoo? |
| 03:06.16 | TodPunk | well, /I/ was done with the subject >.> |
| 03:06.32 | fozzmoo | spews blood. |
| 03:06.52 | TodPunk | What is with all the non-Utah people in #Utah? (I'm not complaining, I just don't understand) |
| 03:06.54 | sjansen | TodPunk: You should definitely check out Django. |
| 03:07.19 | sjansen | Their bodies may be elsewhere, but their hearts are here. |
| 03:07.41 | fozzmoo | Who's non-Utah? |
| 03:08.01 | TodPunk | My biggest fear of django is that it's a fad that doesn't add any value, like rails. |
| 03:08.15 | sjansen | maquis, jsmith, goozbach, elg |
| 03:08.39 | sjansen | Neither Django nor Rails are fads. |
| 03:10.35 | sjansen | They are both useful frameworks backed by successful, if small, companies and vibrant communities. |
| 03:11.04 | TodPunk | Yeah, I'm still gonna say I'm quite anti-rails. |
| 03:11.06 | fozzmoo | But all those non-Utah people were once very-Utah people. |
| 03:11.07 | sjansen | Rails was a bit overexposed for awhile, but that's not a reason to avoid Django. |
| 03:12.02 | sjansen | Also, Django is quite different from Rails in many aspects. |
| 03:12.30 | sjansen | For example, Rails favors magic more. Django deliberately removed the magic before going 1.0 |
| 03:12.45 | TodPunk | magic.... the gathering? |
| 03:13.06 | sjansen | http://djangopony.com/ |
| 03:15.05 | fozzmoo | I like Catalyst, but I'm weird like that. |
| 03:15.22 | fozzmoo | My wife wants me to do some python. Maybe I'd like Django if I knew the language. |
| 03:16.43 | sjansen | Django annoyed me at first. It's far from the solution for everything. But for basic sites, it's _so_ much better than doing web development the old way. |
| 03:17.35 | sjansen | It might not be the right choice for the amazon.com, but there are some major sites based on Django. |
| 03:19.21 | maquis | sjansen: ? |
| 03:24.12 | TodPunk | maquis: he just said you weren't in UT |
| 03:25.11 | TodPunk | fozzmoo: what's catalyst? |
| 03:25.33 | TodPunk | the flash thing? |
| 03:27.58 | fozzmoo | TodPunk: Catalyst is a Rails-like framework for Perl. |
| 03:28.08 | fozzmoo | In some ways better, in other ways, not quite as mature. |
| 03:28.21 | TodPunk | .... |
| 03:28.38 | TodPunk | Perl |
| 03:28.42 | TodPunk | well, ok |
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| 04:07.57 | maquis | TodPunk: oh... |
| 04:08.05 | maquis | tensai and emcnabb aren't either |
| 04:42.50 | levi | TodPunk: There are still a bunch of old-school Perl fans in #utah. |
| 04:44.56 | TodPunk | Hey, I'm fine with people being a fan of old-school stuff, as long as we're acknowledging that it's old-school. I have fond memories of QBasic, but I'm not about to bust it out for a new project. |
| 04:45.05 | TodPunk | granted, Perl is still useful, as opposed to QBasic |
| 04:53.02 | levi | Some people here may still be employed writing Perl. |
| 04:53.27 | levi | Some guys at my office dabble in Tcl, but they're EE guys. |
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| 04:58.48 | TodPunk | I'm friends with a gal that writes COBOL for a living. =c) |
| 04:59.20 | TodPunk | well, I suppose I should say she used to. She recently moved on |
| 05:02.25 | TodPunk | sleeps on that note |
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| 05:02.42 | markl_ | fozzmoo: i need to ask you some catalyst questions here at some point |
| 05:03.09 | markl_ | i'm looking at symfony but i would really like a good perl environment |
| 05:12.28 | RyanE | Speaking of Java... http://funcall.blogspot.com/2010/04/whenever-i-write-code-in-java.html |
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| 14:23.47 | goozbach | calling all OS-X heads |
| 14:24.00 | goozbach | I am curious as to which terminal apps ya'll use |
| 14:24.17 | goozbach | Terminal is starting to frustrate me, and I'm under-impressed with iTerm |
| 14:24.59 | jsmith-teaching | goozbach: I don't know of anything better than iTerm |
| 14:25.25 | jsmith-teaching | goozbach: (And that's one of the reasons I don't spend too much in OS X) |
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| 15:10.39 | jsmith-teaching | tensai: I've since set it up to dual-boot |
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| 16:08.27 | sjansen | http://erictric.com/2010/04/23/lufthansa-offers-gray-powell-iphone-4g-guy-free-flight-to-drink-beer/ |
| 16:09.10 | TodPunk | I seriously wonder what is going to happen to that guy |
| 16:09.24 | TodPunk | Apple will never be able to fire him and get away with that publicly |
| 16:09.49 | TodPunk | but they've made similar mistakes before |
| 16:10.58 | JoshH | i never knew lufthansa was that awesome |
| 16:11.05 | Gate | goozbach: if you find one, let me know. I am using the default terminal emulator |
| 16:11.27 | goozbach | I spent a few min customizing iterm |
| 16:11.32 | goozbach | it's bareable now |
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| 16:19.42 | Gate | goozbach: did you ever find a way to change the color scheme from black on white to wite on black? |
| 16:20.24 | goozbach | Gate: view->session info |
| 16:20.29 | goozbach | lets' you change all that |
| 16:20.47 | Gate | odd place, but I guess it works |
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| 16:21.30 | JoshH | goozbach: just run x11 and use rxvt-unicode or aterm or xterm or whatever |
| 16:21.59 | goozbach | my system is kinda clunky as it is |
| 16:22.05 | goozbach | so I'm not apt to running X11 |
| 16:22.34 | JoshH | i don't even notice it on our imac at home, but it also has 4 gigs of ram, etc |
| 16:23.04 | JoshH | but i can't stand any mac terminals so i use it mostly just for rxvt-unicode |
| 16:23.20 | TodPunk | has a mac mini, he put winxp on it >.> |
| 16:23.28 | JoshH | it makes irssi work the right way, gives me xorg style pasting, etc |
| 16:29.22 | TodPunk | So, has anyone done the millimeter wave scanner thing yet? |
| 16:31.29 | jsmith-teaching | I've been through it |
| 16:31.46 | jsmith | A couple of times, in fact |
| 16:32.39 | goozbach | and it's not affected him at all |
| 16:32.42 | goozbach | *nod* |
| 16:33.17 | jsmith | goozbach: Except for this odd twitch in my neck |
| 16:33.36 | TodPunk | I'm less concerned about the effects and tech and more concerned about the idiots running the thing, but I am mostly curious about how one might build one better |
| 16:34.09 | goozbach | TodPunk: that's an easy answer |
| 16:34.23 | goozbach | they don't work, the money would be better spent on other things |
| 16:34.54 | TodPunk | There was a nice little research project a while back I read about where they setup a big antennae and, without changing the computer at all, were able to "listen" to what was being typed in the next room 20 meters or so away. Got everything they typed. |
| 16:35.41 | TodPunk | These scanners seem like a nice theory in that same realm that basically isn't executed very well by the company making them. |
| 16:36.07 | TodPunk | or the associations buying them, for that matter |
| 16:54.02 | tensai | the started using them after the underpants bomber, but the company that makes them even admitted it wouldn't have caught his junk bomb |
| 16:54.17 | TodPunk | mhmm |
| 16:54.19 | tensai | agrees with goozbach. not worth the money. |
| 16:56.05 | bonez2046 | that pantybomber. what a sad excuse. .. for humanity |
| 17:07.55 | tristanbob_ | https://www.23andme.com/ "*$99 price valid only on 4/23/10 in honor of DNA Day. Limit 10 per person." |
| 17:11.05 | TodPunk | ahahaha, I have been talking to a guy about that in another channel. He's ordered one. I'm interested in what he finds out. |
| 17:12.17 | tristanbob_ | my parents are going to do it, and me and my kids might do it |
| 17:12.45 | bonez2046 | what do you 'get' with the test, other than information? |
| 17:13.43 | TodPunk | Did you need a fancy box or something? |
| 17:15.39 | bonez2046 | I guess I don't understand the context.. my wife and I have three sons which we 'cooked up' together!! I suppose a DNA test wouldn't really reveal much to us.. |
| 17:17.25 | TodPunk | just interesting information. It's not a full genome profiling or anything, but known DNA SNP markers are checked and you find out if you have a risk of having a kid with Down Syndrome or something, or that you have some German blood in your or somesuch. |
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| 17:50.41 | sjansen | I've been though the millimeter wave thing many times. Slow but otherwise boring. |
| 17:51.11 | sjansen | Could've sworn SLC had it before the underwear bomber. |
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| 18:03.10 | sjansen | *sigh* |
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| 18:04.54 | stderr | they can do whatever they want to me to protect me from TERROR. |
| 18:05.26 | mrpull | sjansen: SLC did have it before the underwear bomber |
| 18:05.48 | mrpull | seems silly that you can just choose a lane without it |
| 18:06.38 | sjansen | It's still in the trail phase. Most airport don't even have one. And they're mega expensive. |
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| 18:11.00 | unum | I don't think they would have actually caught the underwear bomber with one |
| 18:11.07 | sjansen | http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129152486573704243.jpg |
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| 19:13.56 | mrpull | i've also been through the shoe sniffer machine. that is cool. i'd rather leave my shoes on. |
| 19:14.07 | mrpull | i cant remeber if that was at RDU, CLT, or IRD |
| 19:16.31 | Sargun | shoe Sniffa. |
| 19:18.09 | emcnabb | ugh, it takes more time to boot this box than to install RHEL |
| 19:18.10 | emcnabb | sigh |
| 19:25.58 | goozbach | how long does it take to boot? |
| 19:26.01 | goozbach | how much ram |
| 19:28.08 | emcnabb | goozbach, 64 proc, 80 GB RAM |
| 19:28.23 | emcnabb | it's a devel box so the BIOS takes forever to load |
| 19:29.03 | emcnabb | and it has a slow-to-boot RAID controller, and PXE booting enabled for automated installs (which take a minute to time out) |
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| 20:06.58 | Sargun | emcnabb, only 80? Why didn't you max it out |
| 20:07.25 | emcnabb | Sargun, send me some more and I will |
| 20:07.58 | Sargun | My "big machine" only have 32 procs, and 64 GB of RAM |
| 20:08.02 | Sargun | hasd |
| 20:10.05 | goozbach | I've got a system with just a little less than half of that ram |
| 20:10.13 | goozbach | but it's single quad-core proc |
| 20:10.40 | sjansen | Sargun: My "big machine" only got 32 procs... Learn English or git outta ma country. |
| 20:11.41 | goozbach | morans go home |
| 20:11.54 | Sargun | I fixed it! |
| 20:11.57 | Sargun | meany. |
| 20:12.15 | Sargun | goozbach, All our new production boxes are 32 GB of RAM, 16 proc. |
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| 21:08.20 | TimRiker | huh? another timmy? |
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| 21:13.38 | sontek | we just load balance between 2 boxes with 8gb ram each and are just dual 2.8ghz xeon's :P |
| 21:14.06 | sjansen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwVA698Hx2g |
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| 22:30.47 | sjansen | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100422/0931069137.shtml <-- Re: QWest & CenturyTel |
| 22:43.06 | gundy | Best place to buy a managed POE switch from a bricks and mortar store in Utah? Anyone? I only have 15 mins to get there :) |
| 22:43.34 | tensai | steals a 48 port POE switch from sjansen and gives it to gundy |
| 22:44.49 | gundy | Oh, here's one... just have to scratch off these initials. |
| 22:45.21 | gundy | OK, I'd go for a non managed POE switch at this hour. |
| 22:45.48 | JoshH | maybe some of the netgears at best buy have poe, but i don't know anythign about them |
| 22:46.37 | gundy | JoshH, I didn't see any when I took a quick look around. |
| 22:46.50 | JoshH | you have to have it today no matter what? |
| 22:48.29 | JoshH | if it doesn't absolutely have to be on the switch directly, you can get poe injectors at graybar |
| 22:48.51 | tensai | gundy: how many ports you need? |
| 22:51.31 | TodPunk | gundy: tried MAS, or JPS solutions (whatever they call themselves now)? |
| 22:51.59 | TodPunk | Professional Cable doesn't usually do the hardware that much, but they might have something. |
| 22:52.08 | gundy | TodPunk, good call. |
| 22:52.09 | TodPunk | PC Discounters is a long shot. |
| 22:52.32 | gundy | tensai, 4 or more... |
| 22:53.13 | TodPunk | gundy: managed 4 port? |
| 22:53.20 | TodPunk | ok... |
| 22:53.37 | unum | http://www.whitehouse.gov/tech |
| 22:53.41 | unum | I guess that's old news |
| 22:53.43 | unum | just catching up on /. |
| 22:55.16 | orsonj | any of you guys try mint.com? |
| 22:55.36 | orsonj | I think I have the security on my browser set way too high. (I can't get it to work) |
| 23:04.38 | TodPunk | orsonj: I've never used it, but a couple people I knew swore it was the most awesome thing ever. |
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| 23:27.49 | gundy | TodPunk, 4 ports or more. As in, I would like a managed switch with PoE, but I'm in a pinch so I'll take what I can get. |
| 23:28.26 | gundy | Even if that was an unmanaged switch with at least 4 PoE ports. |
| 23:32.21 | sjansen | TodPunk: I gave your resume to the owners. One said he'll go over it in a couple days. Sounds like he'll want to talk to you about contract work first. |
| 23:32.28 | sjansen | oops |
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| 23:42.43 | TodPunk | Anyone ever try to get Fedora onto a FitPC? |
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| 23:46.48 | gundy | Whoa, back up there... Anyone use Fedora? |
| 23:47.04 | TodPunk | I'm not putting RHEL on there.... |
