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17:07.36tristanbob_what is the best free PDF printer for Windows users?  
17:10.55tristanbob_http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/   is what I usually recommend.  I guess it is still the best open source tool for this.
17:11.59goozbach~seen harleypig?
17:12.03ibotharleypig is currently on #utos, last said: 'enough with the fucking strawman'.
17:13.52goozbachoh yeah...
17:14.00goozbach~language ibot/harleypig
17:14.01ibotACTION grabs ibot/harleypig by the ear and washes ibot/harleypig's mouth out with soap
17:16.42maquiswonders when the text version of all the talks will be available...
17:17.03maquiswant to make my new conference ebook
17:45.01Migsand make MILLIONS?
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18:15.11unumwell what do you know, dumb people are more likely to smoke and make other poor health choices
18:15.42unumoops wrong channel
18:18.11Migsor was it?
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19:02.55Migshttp://yanswerfail.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/underesitmate.png
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20:29.51cedwardswhat ldap management tools do ya'll suggest? browser? gui? I'm getting tired of writing ldif manually
20:30.32jnbek|wccedwards: phpldapadmin
20:37.30cedwardsthanks
20:38.28tensaialso recommends phpldapadmin
20:46.26MigsI use LDAPsoft
20:51.14unumI've started using phpadminIII
20:51.22unumoh oops
20:51.26unumnever mind
20:51.28unumwrong question
20:51.38unumI'll have to look at ldapsoft
20:52.41unumeven then I typed the wrong thing
20:52.43unumtime to go home
21:06.38utahcondag ... network admins don't approve of my SSH Tunnels
21:07.06JoshHwhy not?
21:07.34utahconThey think I am doing nefarious things
21:10.53Gateprivacy is nefarious.
21:11.19goozbachhah!
21:11.28goozbachutahcon: just setup a socks proxy on :443
21:11.39goozbachthen they'll only see ssl traffic
21:11.46goozbach(or so they think)
21:12.03JoshHbetter yet, just keep doing it anyway and piss them off
21:12.30goozbachwe should just go all Transparent Society
21:12.33goozbachthat's my take
21:12.47goozbachstarts the trend by setting up webcams in every room of his house
21:12.54Gateor crypto-anarchy
21:13.11utahconJoshH: I like having my job
21:13.16utahcongoozbach: interesting idea
21:13.25JoshHi wouldn't work somewhere that would fire someone for an ssh tunnel anyway
21:13.36utahconJoshH: You say that now.
21:13.55Gatewait until you have no job, a mortgage and kids?
21:14.11JoshHwell, obviously i mean if it's possible
21:15.18fungusgoozbach, utahcon would never do anything like that...  
21:15.37Gate:) I like my new job. My bosses just asked if I have a CCW without the even the hint of an inquisition. They were just interested.
21:15.37fungusespecially since I'm the one watching.  :)
21:15.58JoshHGate: show off your gun to them, accidentally blow a hole in the wall, and end up a story on ksl
21:17.05utahconfungus: I wouldn't.
21:17.09goozbachGate: new job?
21:17.54Gategoozbach: yeah, I changed jobs jan, 01
21:18.00JoshHthe story about the byu idaho guys and their gun made me laugh
21:18.05goozbachcoolio
21:18.11GateJoshH: what story?
21:18.15goozbachwhosya workinfor now?
21:18.38Gategoozbach: yep :) I was distinctly displeased with the attitude and environment at the last place
21:19.24GateI now work for a contractor named WinWeb Experts
21:19.24JoshHGate: http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10248669
21:20.28Gatethe man was an f****** moron
21:20.40JoshHindeed
21:20.47goozbachhandling a loaded gun in a car?
21:20.54JoshHwonder what he would have done once he got to conference
21:20.59JoshHare guns allowed in the conference center?
21:21.03GateI had an old family friend who, not once, but twice put his hunting rifle loaded into his truck, closed the door and had the gun go off
21:21.19goozbachJoshH: nope
21:21.22JoshHan accidental firing by some moron during a monson speech would be classic
21:21.26goozbachhah
21:21.33Gategoozbach: no, I handle loaded guns all the time, including in the car. Its "demonstrating" anything without clearing it first
21:22.28goozbachlet me rephrase
21:22.43goozbachs/handling/"demonstrating"/
21:22.47Gategotcha
21:23.03goozbachyou don't do those things indoors
21:23.13goozbachcheck to see if it's loaded
21:23.16goozbachclear it
21:23.18goozbachsure
21:23.34goozbachbut while driving?
21:28.27Gateon a long car trip I would take my gun out, clear and stow it (or load and holster)
21:28.38Gatedamn thing is uncomfortable
21:29.06Gatethe tragic stupidity is doing anything without clearing it
21:29.09Gatedriving or not'
21:29.19JoshHwhat kind of gun do you use for concealed carry?
21:29.27Gateme? depends on how I am clothed
21:30.00Gate<PROTECTED>
21:30.08JoshHwhat models?
21:30.29Gate<PROTECTED>
21:31.51JoshHcool, my mom has a kahr too
21:32.05JoshHi don't think she knows how to use it, but her gun loving new husband bought it for her
21:32.46JoshHif i cared about carrying, i'd probably go with a usp compact
21:32.58JoshHjust because i've shot the usp standard a lot and enjoyed it
21:33.36GateI considered the USP compact, but it was still too big
21:34.19JoshHya, they aren't tiny
21:34.48GateUSPs are nice, but not what I would pick for concealed carry.
21:34.52Gateopen carry, definitely
21:35.22Gatewell, actually, open carry would be a Sig P226 for me.
21:35.27Gate<3
21:35.40JoshHi like those too, but usp a hair better
21:36.00goozbachI can't shoot anything much smaller than a USP compact
21:36.01GateI like the feel of Sig better, but I still greatly respect the USPs
21:36.08goozbachwith my big banana fingers
21:36.14Gategoozbach: haha
21:36.32Jayce^goozbach: you gotta try my NAA sometime :)  noisy cricket
21:36.46Gatemy .380 is tiny, and vicious
21:37.01goozbachJayce^: I shot brian croft's 9mm
21:37.13goozbachbarely got my finger into the trigger guard
21:37.34goozbachI was afraid it'd spin in my palm
21:37.55Jayce^goozbach: this one is a .22 mag revolver.. *really* tiny
21:38.29Jayce^http://www.naaminis.com/index02.html
21:39.01Jayce^they're actually right next door to us here
21:39.42goozbachI'd get two fingers on the frame on a good day
21:39.59Jayce^yeah, it's an odd hold
21:40.07Jayce^it's for when you pack *really* light
21:40.21goozbachtwo in the chest, one in the left eye?
21:40.50Jayce^the mags actually have a better kill rate per shot than .380, interestingly enouhg
21:41.02goozbachinteresting
21:41.19goozbachmaybe a "last resort" in an ankle holster
21:42.09Jayce^that's the purpose.. it's a close range, last resort weapon (well, pistols are anyways, but this is really pushing it)
21:42.32Jayce^but it's very noisy, and will do something seriously nasty to somebody
21:42.57Jayce^and it fits really nicely when wearing shorts and a t-shirt :)
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22:35.40tensaiJayce^: I think I saw that one. or I saw one similar to it that you had anyway.
22:36.08tensaihonestly my first thought was that it was a toy. I'm not sure I'd feel good about having one of those around the house.
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