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04:46.48bonez2046my pc has been on all day, sound worked this morning and tonight now, it does not work. if I attempt to close firefox, in ubuntu 9.10 , I hear the drum sounds, and suspect the sound will be restored if I log out, but I'd like to just refresh whatever it is that is preventing sound from working now, without logging out
04:46.53bonez2046suggestions?
04:55.55TodPunksorry dude, not a linux sound guy.
04:56.04TodPunkbut I feel your pain
04:56.06TodPunk</clinton>
04:57.02bonez2046it's ok
04:57.16bonez2046what of clinton?
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15:21.46TodPunkbonez2046: nothing specifically of him.  He just used to say "I feel your pain" a lot.
15:22.33bonez2046ah. he did.. yes..
15:22.41bonez2046Ah feel yur pain.. yes..
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16:02.52bonez2046I am trying to find a file 'mm_cfg.py' on two hdds, how do I search for this file on both drives?
16:10.26eightyeightmount them, then use find
16:11.41Gatebonez2046: mkdir bob; cd bob; mkdir sdXX; mkdir sdYY; mount /dev/sdXX sdXX; mount /dev/sdYY sdYY; find . | grep mm_cfg.py
16:11.51Gatereplace XX and YY with appropriate values
16:12.01Gate(and double check that script, I just wrote it into IRC)
16:13.59eightyeightmkdir -p /mnt/sd{b,c}1 && mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1 && mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdc1 && find /mnt -name mm_cfg.py
16:14.11Gatescoffs
16:14.33eightyeighti guess mkdir -p isn't needed, but meh
16:14.35Gatedamned 1upmanship
16:14.41Gate;)
16:14.57Gateeightyeight: I'll admit it, your script is better
16:15.13goozbachwhat kind of drives?
16:15.13bonez2046gate thanks..
16:15.18goozbachusb drives
16:15.24goozbachor are they already mounted
16:15.27goozbach?
16:15.42goozbachwhat if sdb is already in the system?
16:15.44goozbach:)
16:15.46bonez2046mounted..
16:15.51goozbachplays devils advocate
16:16.06goozbachif they're mounted, then run updatedb and locate
16:19.49bonez2046I ran updatedb, as root and then 'locate mm_cfg.py' and finds NOTHING on the mounted drive.. though several various copies of 'mm_cfg.py' exist over there
16:19.56bonez2046why would it NOT be looking there too?
16:20.44eightyeightupdatedb updates a db of all mounted drives in the system. so, if it's not there, it's not there
16:21.21eightyeightagain, you could use find on the mounted directory, to confirm
16:21.28bonez2046eightyeight: despite the fact I can cd /mnt/drive-on-other-hdd and see the files there?
16:21.33bonez2046ok..
16:25.20JoshHbonez2046: you probably have network filesystems excluded in your /etc/updatedb.conf
16:25.56Jayce^awww man... I hate it when munching on pistachios, and you get one of the bad ones...
16:26.05Jayce^bleh bleh bleh...  mouth full of yuck
16:30.07goozbachJayce^: that is rough
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16:32.03Jayce^goozbach: wish we'd had you with us this last weekend... some amazing games
16:32.28goozbachdon't rub it in...
16:32.33MigsCancer cure human trial was a complete success: http://gizmodo.com/5501103/this-is-the-future-of-the-fight-against-cancer
16:33.13Jayce^I backdoored quimo! one of those happiest moments ever..
16:33.38Jayce^quimo is the top ranked pump player in the world
16:35.22goozbachnice!
16:36.04Jayce^one of our guys tagged bob long hard enough in the head that he literaly dropped to his knees at their base flag...
16:36.55Jayce^I can literally say I've come out as the victor of gunfights with bob long now
16:36.56goozbachyou were playing bob long's assassins
16:37.00Jayce^does a happy dance
16:37.02goozbach?
16:37.13Jayce^yeah, but he also had some hand picked guys from la hitmen, and a couple other teams
16:37.20Jayce^was the all-stars basically
16:37.30goozbachI watched Blackballed  the other day
16:37.36Jayce^although PCP (psycho clown posse) did a similar thing...
16:37.56Jayce^those guys are just fun, they set up next to us again...
16:38.07Jayce^harleypig would *really* love their uniforms
16:38.29Jayce^bright yellow and purple, with the evil clown on the front.. they even make their masks into evil clown faces
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16:39.13Jayce^http://www.psychoclownposse.com/   <-- warning, has music
16:39.23goozbachawesome
16:39.28goozbachmulti day tourney?
16:39.35Jayce^yeah
16:39.39goozbachI really want to do one of those...
16:39.44Jayce^one of the UWL locations
16:40.22Jayce^goozbach: http://playuwl.com/scarolina.html  
16:40.25elgosx sed sux
16:40.28Jayce^get a team into the tactical division there
16:40.37Jayce^elg: built in or ports?
16:40.40elgbuilt in
16:40.43elggsed is fine
16:41.06Jayce^goozbach: we're going to dallas and oklahoma too, though not sure if I will..
16:41.29Jayce^he's trying to get us to Chicago too
16:42.39elgwhatever built-in regex engine it's using is beyond anemic
16:42.58elgand it wants -E for extended, and gsed wants -r for extended
16:43.15elgso there's apparently no way to write a sed script that uses extended regexes on both osx and linux
16:43.34elg(short of detecting which one and setting the options appropriately)
16:43.37Jayce^is it the same as the freebsd version?
16:43.47elglikely the same as some bsd version
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16:45.18goozbachelg: the other problem with osx is the lack of `ls --color`
16:45.21goozbachit's -G
16:45.25goozbachon darwion
16:45.39goozbachso I have a big case statement in my aliases file now.
16:46.22elgeh, I just install coreutils +with_default_names
16:47.35elgI'll probably do the same with gsed now too, but
16:47.48elgI wanted this script to work out of the box on osx so that's irrelevant.
16:48.11Jayce^elg: yeah, way back with my seq post when you pointed that out, I've moved to default names
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17:05.06harleypigpcp has *way* too many dots
17:05.49GateI have to be on OSX at work, it is annoying, but better than the last job that was Windows
17:06.09TehLaserThis is why I pay for a VPS.  :)
17:06.31TehLaserEven though I don't really serve anything that would require it.
17:09.01sjansenloves his Linode
17:09.12goozbachtoo
17:18.00Jayce^harleypig: lick 'em :)
17:18.33Migsis there a way to make a "symlink" to an external URL?
17:18.51Migslike say I want to create files that are linked to some of Project Gutenberg's books?
17:20.34harleypigloves his linode too
17:21.13goozbachMigs: at text file with a URL in it?
17:22.54Migsthat's still just a text file
17:23.49goozbachMigs: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/more-using-bashs-built-devtcp-file-tcpip
17:23.55MigsWhen I visit, for example, http://books.weber.k12.ut.us/collection/20581-8.txt   I want it to point to http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20581/20581-8.txt
17:24.09goozbachsomething like that I suppose
17:24.12goozbachoh
17:24.14goozbachthat's simple
17:24.19goozbachuse a 301 redirect
17:24.38Migsoh, that makes sense
17:27.43TehLaserMight be interesting to have a module that automatically turns text files with nothing but a single url in them into 301s.
17:28.30TehLaserTricky part would be recognizing them.  Someone might want to serve up a text file with nothing but something that looks like a URL in it.
17:32.34goozbachTehLaser: just put a meta redirect
17:32.45goozbachand the url in the file
17:36.01rsimpkinsI remember that microsoft at one point was hosting a book about UNIX and the problems with it. I can't recall the name of the book. Anyone remember?
17:36.19rsimpkinsI seem to recall it was an older book.
17:36.29elgi know the one you're talking about but don't remember the name
17:41.42rsimpkinsThe UNIX-Hater's Handbook
17:41.48rsimpkinsMS is no longer hosting it.
17:47.09Migsokay, now what if I wanted to do access these files from within a shell?
17:47.24Migslike vi ./collection/20581-8.txt
17:47.44Migsis there a way to get it to download the file, store a temporary copy, and view it?
17:48.41Migshttp://simson.net/ref/ugh.pdf
17:48.46Migsthere's the UNIX-hater's Handbook
17:50.07GateTehLaser: :) this IRC client is on my VPS
17:50.27GateI am talking desktop, since I am a programmer and don't have to deal directly with the servers very often
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19:19.10harleypig...
19:20.26harleypig3<>filename cmd &>3 opens filename for reading, takes the result of cmd and dumps it into filename
19:20.39harleypigthen you can do cat <&3 to see what the results were
19:20.54harleypigerr ... add 'exec' to the front of that
19:21.01harleypigexec 3<>/dev/tcp/www.google.com/80
19:21.01harleypigecho -e "GET / HTTP/1.1\r\nhost: http://www.google.com\r\nConnection: close\r\n\r\n" >&3
19:21.12harleypigcat <&3
19:21.18harleypigThat will dump the html for google.com
19:21.23harleypighttp://www.linuxjournal.com/content/more-using-bashs-built-devtcp-file-tcpip
19:21.55goozbachharleypig: cool trick, no?
19:22.39Migsnice
19:23.28harleypigIt is cool, but I'm having a hard time seeing the benefits
19:26.23mp_or just use /usr/bin/GET
19:26.45harleypigmp_: feh ... that's for command lline wussies
19:26.57mp_really? wanna race? ;]
19:27.04harleypigheh
19:28.33goozbachharleypig: it's just for being weird
19:28.38goozbachit's not UBER useful
19:28.47goozbachunless you don't have wget or whatnot
19:30.01harleypigyeah, I can see how it might be useful in an extremely restricted environment ... but if you were in that kind of environment would /dev/tcp even be available?
19:31.55goozbachyou never know
20:06.48sjansenhttp://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/201003/when-less-is-more-the-case-teaching-less-math-in-schools
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20:20.34elghaha. "This was back in the days when people believed that children shouldn't have to spend all of their time at school work--that they needed some time to play, to do chores at home, and to be with their families--so there was reason back then to believe that whenever something new is added to the curriculum something else should be dropped."
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21:08.00Gateinteresting that a psychology (pseudo-science) magazine would be opinionated that we should drop hard science.
21:08.44Gatehahaha! "He chose schools in the poorest neighborhoods because he knew that if he tried this in the wealthier neighborhoods, where parents were high school or college graduates, the parents would rebel"
21:08.54Gateyou mean educated people would rebel over a lack of education?!
21:08.57GateHow DARE they.
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21:19.09Migsman, that's a good article
21:19.21Migsmore teachers should question the curriculum
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21:24.29GateI agree on the questioning of the cirriculum.
21:24.46Gatethe article made a few decent arguments, and I only skimmed it
21:25.01Gatewill make an interesting read this evening.
21:25.06GateI was just cracking jokes
21:27.37sjansen~crack Gate
21:27.38ibotACTION cracks Gate 's rock in half and then proceeds to shatter the halves into tiny pieces
21:38.09Migsthe article is only two pages long
21:38.18Migsyou make it sound like you're about to start reading a multi-novel
21:47.12Gateyeah, well, a skim and a joke is all I can spare.
21:47.37GateI basically only have time to look at IM/webpages while this f******* java tries to compile and deploy
21:48.06Gateso, 15 second windows to do other things (because, of course, eclipse can't let me continue to work while it deploys, that would just be insane)
21:48.31mp_http://xkcd.com/303/
21:49.50Gatemp_: exactly
21:49.59sjansenIf it can't be done with Vim, it shouldn't be done.
21:50.33Gateif it can be done in vim, it should be done in a real editor
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21:51.56Gatedamned java backend :(
21:52.41sinuhe~flame sjansen
21:52.41ibotsjansen, YOU SUCK. And you know it.
21:52.48sinuhe~promote sam, acme
21:53.01sjansen~diagnose sinuhe
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21:54.03sjansenIt's obvious that sinuhe suffers from mental illness, but I don't know enough to characterize the exact nature of the affliction.
21:55.28sjansenEclipse is for code monkeys. Vim is for text artists.
22:01.23mrpullsjansen: text artists?  did you see that 60 year old ASCII animation of a cat?
22:01.39sjansenyeah
22:01.58mrpullfriggin russians :)
22:07.34Gateand geany is for programmers.
22:14.05sjansenOkay, I scanned Geany's site but I didn't see anything the explained why anyone would care about its existence.
22:14.42sjansenSo what makes it killer, besides being both lighter weight than Eclipse and less powerful than Vim?
22:16.29Gateits powerful enough to do everything I need and is lightweight/faster than any major IDE, and doesn't require obscure key combos like Vim or Emacs
22:16.50Gatebut most of its functionality has shortcuts, allowing the power
22:17.14Gateits a shallower learning curve but doesn't crap out when you get to the heavy duty stuff
22:41.58leviI still fail to care about geany.  Emacs (or vim, I guess) ftw. :)
22:42.36Gate:) its not for everyone, but it works for me
22:45.00sinuhelevi: Emacs is useful until my pinky starts to hurt.
22:46.23leviWhy does your pinky hurt?  Did you try remapping capslock to control?
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23:04.32sjansenAnyone in the Salt Lake area interested in carpooling to the Utah Django Users Group meeting @ Novell?
23:07.49TodPunkI wish I had known that was happening ahead of time
23:07.57TodPunklike, Sunday
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23:14.04TodPunkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWIHraKhk6c  I WILL see this movie.  It WILL happen.
23:33.16Gatethat movie looks incredibly bad
23:41.16TodPunkOh I hope so

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