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| 05:05.17 | TimRiker | Quest finally appears to have fixed the DSL issue in south salt lake area. only about 7.5 hours of no internet access. |
| 05:06.22 | keldwud | lol, only. |
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| 13:41.13 | goozbach | ~wtf utsl |
| 13:42.12 | jsmith | Morning goozbach |
| 13:42.29 | goozbach | morn |
| 14:13.31 | fozzmoo | Good morning |
| 14:14.17 | fozzmoo | jsmith: If I want to ring several stations do I just do Dial(SIP/station1&SIP/station2&...) or is there a better way to do that? |
| 14:14.30 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Nope, you've got it |
| 14:14.50 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Unless you want to do staggered dialing... which is a bit more complicated |
| 14:15.19 | fozzmoo | Nah, I want all to ring at once. |
| 14:15.23 | jsmith | fozzmoo: You can always as VoIP questions in #utaug... more VoIP folks there |
| 14:15.37 | fozzmoo | Ooooh. Didn't know about that channel. |
| 14:15.43 | fozzmoo | i should hover about in there. |
| 14:15.54 | jsmith | That's why I told you about it :-p |
| 14:16.21 | fozzmoo | (Oh, but unum's in there... means it might get hijacked with silly politics) |
| 14:19.53 | eightyeight | http://www.osnews.com/story/23018/Ogg_Objections_Problems_with_the_Container_Format |
| 14:28.50 | fozzmoo | eightyeight: Bummer. |
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| 15:20.38 | TodPunk | eightyeight: matroska already solves a lot of those issues and is still free, so I don't know why anyone still cares about ogg. |
| 15:21.22 | fozzmoo | Matroska is a container for audio codecs? Like Vorbis? |
| 15:21.49 | fozzmoo | I thought Matroska was a container for video. |
| 15:22.03 | TodPunk | it can be either |
| 15:22.08 | fozzmoo | I had no idea. |
| 15:22.12 | TodPunk | much like ogg |
| 15:22.17 | fozzmoo | Cool |
| 15:22.20 | TodPunk | nobody DOES this, mind you |
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| 15:22.33 | fozzmoo | Well, when my Sansa Clip supports Matroska audio :) |
| 15:22.43 | TodPunk | I use flac on mine >.> |
| 15:23.08 | fozzmoo | I'd like to listen to more than 3 or 4 songs. :) |
| 15:23.18 | eightyeight | fact of the matter: theora sucks |
| 15:23.40 | eightyeight | one thing the article doesn't address, is the perceived video quality |
| 15:23.47 | fozzmoo | I don't know if I'd say it sucks. |
| 15:23.52 | TodPunk | No kidding. I'm pretty sure about 5 albums and my clip is filled. Granted, I don't exactly GO anywhere, so my clip isn't really used... |
| 15:23.54 | fozzmoo | It has its shortcomings. |
| 15:24.01 | eightyeight | side-by-side, theora is clearly lacking in stunning quality |
| 15:24.15 | TodPunk | theora is lacking in a lot of technical areas too =c( |
| 15:24.19 | fozzmoo | I always thought Theora was comparable to XVID.. |
| 15:24.20 | eightyeight | it's like comparing a tv from the '60s with a tv of today |
| 15:24.22 | TodPunk | It was good for the time |
| 15:24.30 | TodPunk | It just hasn't kept up |
| 15:24.30 | fozzmoo | but lacking compared to h264 |
| 15:25.01 | eightyeight | severely |
| 15:25.49 | TodPunk | does use mkvs for his video |
| 15:36.52 | ^Migs^ | Our filter sucks...has no flexibility whatsoever. We have to block Twitter now because apparently they can't stay on the ball and remove accounts that violate the ToS. People upload porn into the profile images. The nice thing is ALL Twitter images are hosted on a separate domain...twimg.com. But apparently it's not as simple as just blocking twimg.com, because these are "embedded" into twitter.com pages, the whole site gets blocked anyway. Plus twimg.com holds a |
| 15:37.26 | ^Migs^ | And the problem is that no one in my department really cares enough to look into the matter further, and I'm not knowledgeable enough about how these things work to pursue FOSS options. |
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| 15:38.52 | ^Migs^ | All I want is for Twitter profile images to appear as blanks to any user in our firewall |
| 15:38.55 | TodPunk | if your filter can't block images in a webpage based on their domain, I have a wonderful way around this |
| 15:39.01 | TodPunk | it's called a hosts file |
| 15:39.36 | TodPunk | 127.0.0.1 twimg.com www.twimg.com |
| 15:39.49 | ^Migs^ | what would that do? |
| 15:40.03 | TodPunk | just make them show up as if the image was a 404 |
| 15:40.22 | TodPunk | Why are your employees going to twitter anyway? |
| 15:40.41 | ^Migs^ | basically, just use Twitter for professional development. Connect with other educators, learn about upcoming inservice opportunities, webinars, share links, etc. |
| 15:41.24 | TodPunk | might I ask what filter you're using so I may avoid it at any cost? |
| 15:41.43 | ^Migs^ | 8e6, provided by the state |
| 15:41.49 | ^Migs^ | we also use Packeteer, which we paid for |
| 15:42.18 | ^Migs^ | lol, I suggested the hosts idea to our network guy and he's like "meh" |
| 15:42.33 | TodPunk | Yeah, you probably aren't going to change this in a government entity =cP |
| 15:42.52 | TodPunk | hosts files are hard to manage across a lot of comps anyway |
| 15:43.06 | TodPunk | it would be better to throw an entry for the domain in your dns server(s) |
| 15:43.56 | TodPunk | I imagine you're a windows domain, which means the DNS server is on Windows too, which means you just create a forward lookup zone for twimg.com and create an entry for the base url and *.twimg.com and point it to 127.0.0.1 and you're golden |
| 15:44.14 | ^Migs^ | I don't know which one 8e6 does |
| 15:44.27 | ^Migs^ | all our servers are Linux-based, though, but we're switching to AD soon |
| 15:44.52 | ^Migs^ | and yeah, zones would be nice then |
| 15:46.00 | TodPunk | you work for a school for the state and you're not on a domain? |
| 15:46.24 | TodPunk | has his faith in humanity taken down yet another notch |
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| 15:54.06 | Gate | TodPunk: that's actually rather common, from what I understand |
| 15:55.12 | TodPunk | See previous >.> |
| 15:56.18 | TodPunk | It's been a decade, but they used Novell at the one college I interfaced with IT at, and AD for the high school I helped out at. Both were in Oregon, mind you. |
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| 16:01.52 | Gate | Well, down here the college is using SAMBA linux servers for the computer department, AD for the rest of the mortal campus |
| 16:02.32 | Gate | It was fascinating making OSX, WinXP and Ubuntu all use the same home directories :) |
| 16:02.49 | peno | likewise :) |
| 16:02.52 | TodPunk | Oh, I'll bet |
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| 16:03.21 | TodPunk | adds that to the list of things to hire someone like Gate to do instead if he's ever asked to do it |
| 16:05.14 | eightyeight | is still investigating soo options to tie into their hybrid environment |
| 16:05.14 | Gate | heh, no. I tinkered with it a bit. There is a reason I was CS and not IT |
| 16:05.38 | Gate | I fought for the linux side of things, when i started running the lab it was OSX/WinXP only with Linux servers |
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| 16:06.09 | Gate | Even got the professors to agree to Ubuntu over debian for better driver support |
| 16:06.22 | TodPunk | I have a confession. I still use Windows for my DT >.> |
| 16:06.52 | Gate | would probably cringe if he remembered what DT was |
| 16:06.58 | TodPunk | Desktop |
| 16:07.02 | Gate | oh |
| 16:07.05 | Gate | you poor bastard. |
| 16:07.10 | Gate | ;) |
| 16:07.18 | unum | usu was using vms for authentication :) |
| 16:07.27 | Gate | I still have an XP gaming machine |
| 16:07.31 | eightyeight | s/soo/sso/ |
| 16:07.32 | TodPunk | Not so! For I have the apps that I care about, and don't really have to think about the OS much =cP |
| 16:07.39 | eightyeight | heh |
| 16:08.16 | Gate | TodPunk: same here, so I pick a real OS |
| 16:09.10 | TodPunk | I did try to do Ubuntu for my kitchen music machine, but it was just such a huge pain in the posterior to get it to connect via wireless to a windows share with auth that I'd never have to enter again so my wife could play music when she wanted. |
| 16:09.12 | Gate | Windows is fine for gaming, but I will be interested in what comes out of the Steam client for OSX. Thats a big company putting serious pressure on the Mac gaming world, which (I hope) should spill into linux too |
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| 16:09.52 | peno | rumor is steam for linux is next |
| 16:09.53 | TodPunk | yeah, my Mac zealot friend hates Valve (among most other things) with a firey passion, so it'll be interesting to see what he does with it |
| 16:10.03 | TodPunk | I doubt it, peno |
| 16:10.08 | TodPunk | support NIGHTmare |
| 16:10.22 | peno | they don't really care about support |
| 16:10.36 | Gate | peno: there have been rumors since they accidentaly released a few linux .so files with the Left 4 Dead demo |
| 16:10.42 | Gate | that would be dreamy |
| 16:10.43 | TodPunk | they care if their customer can't run the game on the platform they said would run the game |
| 16:10.49 | TodPunk | bugs, no, flat out working, yes |
| 16:11.01 | peno | Gate: it's been hyped further with the native mac client |
| 16:11.06 | Gate | I know. |
| 16:11.10 | Gate | hopes |
| 16:11.20 | TodPunk | would not be unwelcome to the idea |
| 16:11.38 | Gate | There was a forum war a few years back, with anyone demanding a Linux client getting banned by the Valve forum admins |
| 16:12.04 | Gate | TodPunk: that would effectively eliminate my windows machine |
| 16:12.28 | Gate | I know it would only be Valve's games, but I can fight Wine for the others |
| 16:12.30 | TodPunk | I still use it for some other games here and there that I'd need to keep. I'm not all about Counter-Strike |
| 16:13.29 | TodPunk | though I could easily play xcom right now on linux |
| 16:13.40 | TodPunk | so I guess it's sort of a wash |
| 16:13.50 | Gate | TodPunk: actually, I play XCom in a VM |
| 16:14.00 | TodPunk | dosbox for me |
| 16:14.13 | ^Migs^ | TodPunk: we use weber.k12.ut.us |
| 16:14.20 | Gate | hm, you could do DosBox on linux, IIRC |
| 16:14.34 | ^Migs^ | sorry, little late, I know |
| 16:14.49 | Gate | Its still a fight for big games, but Valve would greatly reduce the set I care about |
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| 16:16.00 | TodPunk | Truth be told, I do more console gaming with family than PC gaming. |
| 16:16.19 | TodPunk | I used to be more of a gamer. Don't know what happened. |
| 16:17.06 | ^Migs^ | yeah me too |
| 16:17.07 | TodPunk | ^Migs^: I find it worth a chuckle that somewhere, someone got paid to make an icon for "Flu Information" |
| 16:17.44 | ^Migs^ | I either made or slapped together most of those |
| 16:17.58 | ^Migs^ | typically I just look on iconarchive.com for them, though |
| 16:18.44 | Gate | TodPunk: not knowing you and only having read the last 10 minutes, I am going to guess it has something to do with the word "family" ;) |
| 16:19.07 | levi | Anyone got a good, unused DSL modem around they wouldn't mind parting with? |
| 16:19.18 | Gate | levi: several, actually |
| 16:19.22 | Gate | hates qwest |
| 16:19.24 | TodPunk | unused, no |
| 16:19.24 | levi | By 'unused' I mean 'not currently in use' |
| 16:19.28 | TodPunk | oh |
| 16:19.45 | Gate | levi: I have 3 modems. because the f***ers at qwest said it was the modem |
| 16:19.51 | levi | My modem has become super-flaky. |
| 16:20.07 | levi | Hooked directly to my laptop, I get 30% packet loss pinging it. |
| 16:20.19 | Gate | levi: unfortunately, I am probably the wrong person to get it from, considering I am a 5 hour drive away from where you likely are |
| 16:20.24 | TodPunk | levi: is it a cisco 768? |
| 16:20.26 | Gate | OUCH |
| 16:20.29 | levi | You can imagine what affect this has on TCP traffic. |
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| 16:21.37 | RyanE | levi: What DSL Modem model are you looking for? The Cisco 768? |
| 16:23.42 | TodPunk | does the "get dressed and stuff" dance |
| 16:24.00 | jsmith | levi: I've got a 678 sitting here in Virginia |
| 16:28.50 | levi | Mine's an Actiontec of some sort. |
| 16:29.04 | levi | I don't care what I replace it with, as long as it works. :) |
| 16:29.33 | levi | I'd prefer something I can pick up today, but that may be difficult to arrange. |
| 16:30.03 | tvc123 | <random question> anyone have network firewalls the love/hate? any vendors to look at/avoid? |
| 16:30.29 | tvc123 | are any of them much better then just blocking packets with iptables? |
| 16:30.38 | fozzmoo | I have a box of modems |
| 16:30.47 | tvc123 | </random question> |
| 16:30.49 | levi | I'd prefer to run in bridged mode with PPPoE. |
| 16:31.03 | levi | fozzmoo: Maybe one of them is the one I sold you a few years ago. ;) |
| 16:31.16 | fozzmoo | I haven't tested them recently, so I have no idea what's good. |
| 16:31.26 | fozzmoo | levi: Yeah, maybe. |
| 16:31.46 | tvc123 | many of them now tout virus prevention and DOS prevention |
| 16:31.53 | levi | fozzmoo: I'd be happy to test a few for you. ;) |
| 16:32.04 | tvc123 | I just have no idea if they are worth the cash |
| 16:32.12 | fozzmoo | levi: You're welcome to go through the box. :) |
| 16:32.13 | tvc123 | would be happy with time to test them |
| 16:32.58 | levi | fozzmoo: Are you still up in Cache Valley? |
| 16:33.29 | fozzmoo | levi: Herriman. :) |
| 16:33.37 | fozzmoo | Haven't l ived in Cache Valley since 2002 |
| 16:33.59 | levi | That's much more convenient. :) |
| 16:35.10 | levi | fozzmoo: Would it be possible to arrange to meet today? |
| 16:35.29 | fozzmoo | levi: You can come over |
| 16:36.06 | levi | fozzmoo: You working from home? |
| 16:36.31 | fozzmoo | levi: no Just living here |
| 16:36.38 | fozzmoo | No work much these days. |
| 16:37.04 | fozzmoo | Been interviewing and stuff... but that's not important right now. |
| 17:04.32 | ^Migs^ | is there a torrent somewhere that has ALL of Project Gutenberg's ebooks? |
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| 17:11.34 | unum | on face book I have one ad telling me to attend my caucus meeting so I can stop bob bennet, and an other telling me I should vote for bob bennet, just like mitt romney |
| 17:12.20 | ^Migs^ | what a dilemma! |
| 17:13.08 | unum | what to do what to do |
| 17:13.14 | unum | I know I'll vote for pashdown!!! |
| 17:13.29 | unum | actually he's not running in that race this year |
| 17:15.06 | unum | I like how the libertarians always put up people for the federal offices |
| 17:15.15 | unum | though I guess with their platform that makes sense |
| 17:15.28 | unum | since it's the federal government they want changed most |
| 17:15.49 | unum | I meant libertarians and constitution party |
| 17:16.04 | unum | is it just me or do thay have more candidates running for local office this year |
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| 17:21.09 | fozzmoo | unum: Wouldn't surprise me. There's a huge upswell of constitutionalism. |
| 17:27.57 | unum | the tea partiers sound a lot like constitutionalists to me |
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| 17:29.01 | TodPunk | tvc123: I'm partial to Sonicwall. If you just need to block ports and possibly forward ports, iptables is fine. If you want to do things like SIP transforms, application blocking, Various attack blocking, etc, you might have a time of it in iptables. Still iptables can be very effective. |
| 17:29.26 | TodPunk | Avoid Watchguard like the plague |
| 17:29.31 | TodPunk | (which it is) |
| 17:31.49 | tvc123 | TodPunk: good info thanks |
| 17:32.03 | tvc123 | TodPunk: what problems have you had with watchguard? |
| 17:32.20 | tvc123 | years ago we had a sonicwall and hated it but I can't even remember why |
| 17:33.04 | jsmith | hates sonicwall |
| 17:33.11 | jsmith | hates the Cisco PIX |
| 17:33.25 | tvc123 | jsmith: so is there anything you like |
| 17:33.25 | jsmith | *somewhat* likes the Netscreens |
| 17:34.49 | tvc123 | jsmith: so what makes you hate the others? |
| 17:35.45 | jsmith | tvc123: Lack of control, problems with certain protocols (especially SIP and RTP), or doing plain stupid things with regards to UDP traffic |
| 17:37.04 | TodPunk | We used a Sonicwall for the call center and it was 85 people on Softphones to the datacenter. No problems. It's really slick now. As my two cents. |
| 17:37.40 | jsmith | Maybe the later firmware version handle VoIP better... |
| 17:37.48 | jsmith | hasn't touched a Sonicwall in three or four years |
| 17:37.55 | jsmith | Once bitten, twice shy... |
| 17:37.59 | TodPunk | tvc123: watchguard has traditionally had a horribly organized and rather laggy interface. They're not very feature-rich for their price bracket and we had more problems with them just plain not doing what they were configured to be doing than any other firewall we came across. |
| 17:38.41 | TodPunk | I don't think the 3.x firmward handled VoIP much at all, jsmith =c) the 4.0 series I think it introduced it. They still dont' do UPnP, though. |
| 17:39.43 | TodPunk | I could complain about the slowness of Sonicwall's interface, but pretty much any web-based interface is getting that way on these devices. Kind of annoying. |
| 17:40.37 | tvc123 | the one thing I liked about a cisco solution is having an interface that was similar to their routers |
| 17:40.49 | TodPunk | I like the ASAs |
| 17:41.05 | TodPunk | I just don't want to pay that price for what I think is fairly simple functionality =c) |
| 17:41.38 | tvc123 | so are the ASA's much better than the pix where? |
| 17:42.47 | tvc123 | s/where/were |
| 17:43.21 | TodPunk | ASAs are far superior. |
| 17:46.08 | JoshH | get a juniper srx |
| 17:47.28 | tvc123 | JoshH: what makes you like them so well? |
| 17:48.05 | JoshH | real junos, no crippling/lots of features, great performance |
| 17:49.10 | JoshH | they replace the netscreens and are much better |
| 17:50.03 | tvc123 | so would it be worth getting a juniper over an ASA given I have no experience with juniper equipment? |
| 17:51.19 | JoshH | asa's are alright, except for the license limitations and the fact that only the really expensive one have gige |
| 17:52.23 | tvc123 | gigE isn't my biggest consern as I'm not pushing that much traffic |
| 17:53.14 | tvc123 | notes most cisco devices with gige don't even come close to being able to process at that speed |
| 17:53.29 | tvc123 | not sure if that is true for other vendors as well |
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| 17:54.42 | tvc123 | anyone have a juniper rep in Utah that is worth talking to? |
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| 17:56.23 | JoshH | if you were just thinking of something like a 5505, might as well stick with that. |
| 17:57.57 | tvc123 | JoshH: that was along the lines I was looking ... but I wasn't sure if I should be looking at something else for the $$ |
| 17:59.39 | fungus | ASAs are really cool, but then I only use them for VPN stuff. |
| 17:59.55 | TodPunk | tvc123: most gigE switches have the same issue. The backplane just doesn't handle the potentials. |
| 18:00.34 | tvc123 | I just started using openVPN for VPN because I was having issues with the Cisco VPN |
| 18:00.56 | JoshH | even if they can't do a full gig on every port at the same time, they can at least do well over 100 meg when you want it |
| 18:00.58 | TodPunk | the cisco VPN is not to be used lightly |
| 18:02.17 | TodPunk | JoshH: I'm not saying they're not better than 100mbit =c) Most home ones might not even be able to do gigabit at all, though I'm guessing at that one. |
| 18:02.53 | JoshH | i've honestly never even messed around with consumer-grade gig switches |
| 18:02.54 | fungus | IMHO, Cisco isn't meant for home use. That's Linksys |
| 18:03.34 | JoshH | but the low end hp-procurves, dell powerconnects, etc can do full gig just fine, but not on every port at once of course |
| 18:03.51 | TodPunk | We have a few dlinks at home here. |
| 18:04.04 | TodPunk | We did a lot of trendnets at my last job. |
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| 18:13.20 | tvc123 | thanks for all of the input everyone I appreciate it |
| 18:13.39 | rsimpkins | tvc123: The prob with the ASA 5505s right now is availability. |
| 18:13.53 | rsimpkins | If you need something fast, you might want to try something else. |
| 18:14.01 | rsimpkins | If you can wait until mid-april, no worries. |
| 18:14.05 | tvc123 | rsimpkins: anything you would reccomend? |
| 18:14.20 | tvc123 | yeah I'm going to need this before then |
| 18:15.08 | rsimpkins | tvc123: Um, not really. I was going to get a cheapy netgear or something until the ASA is available, then return/ebay the netgear. |
| 18:15.32 | JoshH | tvc123: what features/performance do you need? |
| 18:16.13 | rsimpkins | TodPunk: What is your concern about the cisco VPN client? |
| 18:16.24 | tvc123 | my current traffic on the external interface is less than 1 Mb/s |
| 18:16.41 | tvc123 | spiking to 10 Mb/s on occasions |
| 18:17.11 | TodPunk | rsimpkins: I have no concerns for it. It's just not designed or meant to be easy to setup and deploy for a small number of users. |
| 18:17.30 | tvc123 | it would be nice to have some DDOS prevention as well as any anivirus/spam would be a plus |
| 18:18.20 | TodPunk | The barrier to entry of configuration/setup is not worth it for most small businesses. Medium size businesses would need to justify the benefits it provides before approaching it. |
| 18:18.45 | TodPunk | It's much like I don't have a problem with a Windows domain, but that's usually not what you would want for a 3-5 person office. |
| 18:19.10 | TodPunk | I don't setup NIS for my 2 home servers. <other examples here> |
| 18:19.11 | tvc123 | TodPunk: I have around 30 VPN users ... due to a cisco bug I moved them to openvpn |
| 18:19.37 | tvc123 | I would be fine going back to a cisco VPN and feel comfortable configuring it |
| 18:19.40 | TodPunk | I like openvpn. Get a good SSL key and it's just as secure as anything else. |
| 18:19.43 | JoshH | i wouldn't expect ddos prevention in an appliance to be useful at all |
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| 18:29.18 | levi | So, do I need a cisco serial cable to configure a Cisco 678? |
| 18:29.52 | TodPunk | levi: worse, you need a DIFFERENT cisco serial cable |
| 18:30.57 | TodPunk | You can also do it over the network, but there was some problem with that I had a while back. Something about it not being on by default I think. |
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| 18:40.12 | levi | Oops. |
| 18:40.41 | levi | IRC client hung on me. |
| 18:41.40 | levi | I should be able to make an appropriate serial port adapter if I can find the right pinout. |
| 18:41.54 | levi | I don't think I'm going to get this setup done during lunch, though. :( |
| 18:48.38 | macnewbold | levi: i have such a cable you could borrow if you don't mind picking it up in SLC, or at least in Draper |
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| 19:32.19 | unum | for you glen beck fans: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-18-2010/conservative-libertarian |
| 19:32.26 | unum | I'm a big tr fan by the way |
| 19:33.07 | levi | macnewbold: Well, I'll take you up on that if I can't get one made quick. I've got DB9 to RJ45 adapters with the pins not connected yet. |
| 19:37.39 | levi | Ah, found an already-assembled one that works |
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| 19:57.53 | ^Migs^ | haha wtf? http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/201003/errord/wut.png |
| 20:02.50 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/19/police_raid_glitch/ |
| 20:02.54 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha |
| 20:03.06 | ^Migs^ | "A senior New York City police official apologized Friday for the 50 or so door-pounding visits police made to the home of a bewildered elderly couple. It seems a glitch in computer records had led them over and over to Walter and Rose Martin's modest home in Brooklyn." |
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| 20:47.10 | levi | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/slashdot/eqWf/~3/b9N7noofz9Q/Free-Software-To-Save-Us-From-Social-Networks |
| 20:47.24 | levi | What do those FSF guys smoke? |
| 20:51.41 | elg | whatever it is, you can be sure it's free. |
| 20:51.46 | levi | I mean, it's technologically a cool idea and has some legitimate reasons behind it, but it'll never fly. |
| 20:51.59 | levi | elg: Well, Free but not free. |
| 20:52.27 | levi | The idea is to sell a net gadget that replaces your Facebook account. |
| 20:52.44 | levi | With everything decentralized so no one has your logs but you. |
| 20:52.49 | elg | i don't understand the premise |
| 20:53.06 | elg | they want to bring your friend list to your wall wart device so you don't have to use FB and such? |
| 20:53.09 | toofer | how about this idea - /quit facebook |
| 20:53.12 | elg | what good is your friendlist without FB? |
| 20:53.34 | elg | Presumably you already know these people, you don't need to scrape facebook to get a list of them. |
| 20:54.07 | levi | elg: It's not the friendlist, it's the interaction logs. |
| 20:54.17 | elg | but an even more fundamental problem is this notion of ethernet jacks in the walls. srsly, what world are they living in? |
| 20:54.43 | elg | " it goes and fetches all your social networking data from all the social networking applications, closing all your accounts." |
| 20:54.54 | levi | Geekland. :) |
| 20:55.59 | elg | so, you have the history of your FB activity but you discontinue using FB. still ridiculous. if your history with FB is valuable, then why in the world would you opt out of future participation? |
| 20:56.17 | elg | if quitting FB is no big deal, then you probably don't care about the history either |
| 20:56.35 | elg | of course you can substitute any service for FB, I'm just using it as an example |
| 20:56.43 | levi | That's just for smooth transition. The idea is they don't want any centralized logging of communications. |
| 20:56.44 | elg | these services are valuable in their socialness - the connections with others |
| 20:57.08 | levi | No third parties own your data. |
| 20:57.40 | elg | so the idea is you have a drop-in replacement for FB that is totally p2p and distributed? |
| 20:57.48 | levi | Exactly. |
| 20:57.51 | elg | and still does all the things you've come to expect from FB |
| 20:58.03 | elg | that would be quite the feat |
| 20:58.05 | levi | Well, that's where things get fuzzy. :) |
| 20:58.34 | elg | uhm, yeah. :) |
| 20:58.50 | levi | I doubt he has any idea about how facebook actually works. he's a lawyer, right? |
| 21:00.40 | elg | i doubt he cares. his goal isn't to enable social networking, it's to get people to stop throwing away their god-given PRIVACY! |
| 21:00.55 | levi | Exactly. |
| 21:01.27 | elg | and free software is powering these evil privacy killers. the horror |
| 21:02.17 | levi | Which goes back to my original question... what is he smoking? |
| 21:06.05 | elg | librejuana |
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| 21:29.51 | fozzmoo | levi: I wish I had thought abotu the mgmt cable. I woudl ahve let you borrow one |
| 21:43.31 | ^Migs^ | http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/813762250_7Sg8T-L.jpg |
| 21:45.07 | JoshH | ~seen supaplex |
| 21:45.13 | ibot | supaplex <n=supaplex@166.70.62.193> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 53d 15h 19m 8s ago, saying: 'post install of what? while installing what?'. |
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| 22:02.27 | keldwud | hmm. interesting discussion. |
| 22:03.11 | keldwud | once it's decentralized, what happens to their business model? |
| 22:03.31 | harleypig | http://tweetphoto.com/14888537 |
| 22:03.32 | keldwud | ooh wait. if it's decentralized, they will cut down on server costs, right? |
| 22:03.55 | keldwud | then almost everything they get from advertisers would be profit |
| 22:04.03 | keldwud | if I'm understanding this correfctly |
| 22:04.06 | keldwud | *correctly |
| 22:06.20 | keldwud | so what if facebook were to distribute these devices for free to all their users? or some other new social network? |
| 22:06.35 | keldwud | wouldn't that cut overhead down to almost zero? |
| 22:06.54 | keldwud | then all the advertising profit would be pure profit? |
| 22:06.59 | keldwud | maybe I got it wrong. |
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| 22:18.34 | ^Migs^ | I'd probably stop using Facebook if they did that |
| 22:22.03 | harleypig | ~sjansen |
| 22:22.04 | ibot | sjansen is one hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is |
| 22:22.05 | harleypig | err ... |
| 22:22.07 | harleypig | ~seen sjansen |
| 22:22.08 | ibot | sjansen <~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1d 3h 58m 37s ago, saying: 'NSL, huh?'. |
| 22:22.40 | harleypig | anyone know git well enough to help out a complete n00b who's mildly screwed up? |
| 22:22.50 | harleypig | hopefully mild |
| 22:22.55 | harleypig | ly |
| 22:28.33 | harleypig | nm |
| 22:28.39 | harleypig | fingered it out |
| 22:41.58 | unum | any one looking for office tables? |
| 22:52.23 | blendmaster1024 | does anyone else here have qwest? |
| 22:52.52 | blendmaster1024 | and does your router have mental problems with port forwarding? |
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| 23:09.54 | unum | hmmm looks like wayne wasn't very convincing |
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| 23:19.20 | Gate | unum: who is wayne? |
| 23:21.25 | fugue88 | blendmaster1024: I put my DSL modem into gateway mode. One of my Linux boxes is my router. It doesn't have mental problems with port forwarding. :) |
| 23:22.25 | blendmaster1024 | how did you do that? |
| 23:22.34 | blendmaster1024 | would like to do that but he doesn't know how |
| 23:23.02 | blendmaster1024 | ...and is a little scared to shut the internet off for the few seconds required to make that change since it's been being weird all night |
| 23:23.17 | blendmaster1024 | and my parents are a little alloyed |
| 23:24.11 | blendmaster1024 | fugue88, how did you do that? |
| 23:26.26 | fugue88 | blendmaster1024: It's a setting somewhere. I can't remember where. Getting it into gateway mode can make it difficult to get back in later to change settings. It depends on how careful you are with IP addresses and your network. |
| 23:26.50 | blendmaster1024 | how did you find out how to do it? |
| 23:27.00 | fugue88 | Last time I had to change something on it, I ended up resetting it to get back to router mode, changing the settings, then go back to gateway. |
| 23:27.06 | blendmaster1024 | 8o |
| 23:27.18 | blendmaster1024 | that's all right, i'll just use port forwarding, thanks |
| 23:27.20 | fugue88 | Well, I just clicked through all the menus and found it. |
| 23:27.21 | blendmaster1024 | xD |
| 23:27.43 | blendmaster1024 | would it be the "shut nat off" area? |
| 23:27.48 | fugue88 | No. |
| 23:28.13 | fugue88 | Let me see if I can find it easily... |
| 23:33.11 | fugue88 | No go. |
| 23:33.40 | fugue88 | I need javascript to browse its admin stuff. I can't get it to route to a computer with such a browser. |
| 23:34.01 | fugue88 | Anyway, the other side of the config is that the Linux box is config'd for PPPoE, to auth to my ISP. |
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