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| 17:32.45 | sjansen | high fives himself for his LoTR reference |
| 17:41.02 | tyce | does the rest of the class get to hear your reference? |
| 17:42.50 | sjansen | If they're subscribed to the PLUG list. |
| 17:43.31 | tyce | googles subscribed to the PLUG |
| 17:43.52 | goozbach | ~plug tyce |
| 17:43.55 | goozbach | ~plug |
| 17:44.00 | goozbach | hmmm |
| 17:46.08 | tyce | patiently waits to be approved. |
| 17:48.24 | goozbach | sjansen: I'm kinda disapointed in that reference |
| 17:48.30 | goozbach | you usually go much deeper |
| 17:48.47 | goozbach | I was expecting a reference to the original name to the 4th nasgul or something |
| 17:48.55 | goozbach | scoffs |
| 17:48.55 | sjansen | You question my awesomeness?! |
| 17:49.14 | goozbach | no |
| 17:49.19 | sjansen | bites off goozbach's finger |
| 17:49.38 | goozbach | just this specific implemetation |
| 17:49.45 | goozbach | see there ya go again |
| 17:49.51 | goozbach | shallow references |
| 17:50.07 | goozbach | the least you could do is say it in elvish |
| 17:50.20 | tyce | hahahaha |
| 17:50.40 | goozbach | anything viewable in a blockbuster movie == shallow reference |
| 17:50.54 | goozbach | esp with something as insanely deep as the works of tolkien |
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| 18:36.52 | bonez2046 | any of you using MAC.. know a good keyboard shortcut map/conversion? I find myself supporting my wife's macbook more and more and I feel paralyzed without pageup/pagedown and home/end keys.. |
| 18:37.36 | peno | the full length keyboards have them. |
| 18:37.38 | peno | shrugs |
| 18:38.51 | bonez2046 | but this macbook does not |
| 18:39.01 | peno | http://www.jarrodgoddard.com/business-freelancing/mac-book-pro-keyboard-shortcuts |
| 18:39.31 | undertakingyou | bonez2046: on my macbook pro is it <fn><up arrow> |
| 18:39.43 | undertakingyou | and down arrow respectively. |
| 18:40.29 | bonez2046 | thank you, that link, peno is just what I needed |
| 18:40.37 | bonez2046 | and thanks undertakingyou as well |
| 18:40.58 | undertakingyou | np |
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| 18:47.20 | goozbach | am I the only one seeing empty emails to PLUG? |
| 18:53.23 | sjansen | no |
| 18:55.13 | goozbach | ok good |
| 19:08.51 | Migs | Twitter really needs to step up their game. We just had to re-block it in our school district because of all the porn that's in the profile images. |
| 19:14.44 | elg | i saw a stat the other day that only like 10% (or some other low number I don't recall) of twitter users are active |
| 19:18.38 | fungus | porn in profile images? I must not be following the right people. |
| 19:25.41 | Migs | yeah, it's about 10% |
| 19:26.01 | Migs | I think they defined "active" as having updated within the last month |
| 19:26.27 | Migs | on our district Twitter pages, I define it as having updated within the last 2 weeks |
| 19:26.52 | tyce | that makes sense considering the last stat I heard was that only 20% of new signups post anything after the first week |
| 19:28.00 | goozbach | the interesting statistic I heard recently is that there are more farmville farms than twitter accounts |
| 19:28.05 | goozbach | farmville!? |
| 19:28.07 | goozbach | yes |
| 19:28.17 | elg | haha |
| 19:28.21 | tvc123 | goozbach: did you read the article on scaling farmville? |
| 19:28.23 | elg | i don't doubt it though |
| 19:30.51 | goozbach | tvc123: no |
| 19:30.53 | goozbach | linky? |
| 19:31.08 | tvc123 | let me find it |
| 19:31.38 | goozbach | if there are more farmville farms than twitter accounts, how many facebook accounts are there? |
| 19:32.21 | tvc123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.23 | tvc123 | How FarmVille Scales to Harvest 75 Million Players a Month |
| 19:35.26 | undertakingyou | tvc123: interesting article. |
| 19:36.37 | tvc123 | yeah the follow up article is almost more interesting |
| 19:36.55 | tvc123 | they answer some fairly direct questions about what tech they are running on the back end |
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| 21:20.24 | unum | so what is everyone's experience with raid arrays failing |
| 21:20.36 | unum | especially in reguards to hosting a database |
| 21:20.37 | goozbach | unum: they fail |
| 21:20.52 | goozbach | and if they fail the wrong way you have a bad day(tm) |
| 21:21.45 | unum | we had one that kept failing and the it manager kept reloading my database on it |
| 21:21.51 | unum | I wasn't happy |
| 21:22.16 | goozbach | hah |
| 21:22.25 | unum | I'm insisting that we buy two servers and do replication |
| 21:22.48 | unum | dell recommends as their high availiablity solution two servers plugged into the same raid array |
| 21:22.58 | unum | which doesn't solve my main concern, which is a loss of data |
| 21:23.53 | goozbach | unum: you need to buy a coraid shelf |
| 21:24.00 | goozbach | :) |
| 21:24.08 | goozbach | and use ATAoverEthernet |
| 21:24.14 | unum | is that who you work for now? |
| 21:24.19 | goozbach | yes |
| 21:24.39 | unum | I wish I could get him to buy anything other than dell |
| 21:24.51 | unum | ok I take that back, there are worse options than dell |
| 21:25.20 | goozbach | you're talking about a direct attached storage, no? |
| 21:25.20 | unum | eggyknap: what can you tell me about duplication, ie writing your database to two different locations at the same time |
| 21:25.34 | unum | ya |
| 21:25.36 | goozbach | unum: which database tech? |
| 21:25.41 | unum | postgresql |
| 21:25.44 | goozbach | mysql? postgres |
| 21:25.53 | goozbach | setup two machines running bucardo |
| 21:26.05 | goozbach | two database machines with their own storage |
| 21:26.10 | unum | ya, that's what was suggested yesterday |
| 21:26.14 | unum | and that's what I'm pushing for |
| 21:26.16 | eggyknap | You can use things like DRBB to replicate disk block activity, you can use statement replicators like pgpool to send the same query to two places at once, or you can use pg replication of one sort or other |
| 21:27.02 | unum | I mostly want to make sure that the data is store on two different raid arrays |
| 21:27.24 | eggyknap | Something like bucardo is probably easiest. |
| 21:27.26 | unum | but I'm pushing for bucardo on two identical machines with out a direct attached storage |
| 21:27.47 | eggyknap | Note, though, that it's asynchronous. a COMMIT on the master will return before the data are committed on the slave. |
| 21:28.02 | eggyknap | (a trait common to all currently available postgres replication options) |
| 21:28.14 | unum | ya, I figure that, I don't mind missing a couple of commits |
| 21:28.22 | unum | I just don't want to lose a whole days worth |
| 21:29.29 | eggyknap | Yeah, that's what Bucardo's for. |
| 21:30.11 | unum | as long as everything that's been done up two a couple of minutes before we started having problems, I think we'll be ok |
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| 21:36.00 | rsimpkins | unum: One suggestion from my experience. If this is a critical DB I suggest putting it on two systems as far apart physically and as diverse a network/switch configuration as you reasonably can (while not introducing latency). |
| 21:36.52 | rsimpkins | And don't skip the monitoring. One guy here suggested that. ;-) |
| 21:38.03 | unum | thanks |
| 21:38.52 | rsimpkins | We were swapping such stories at lunch, actually. |
| 21:39.16 | rsimpkins | About how lack of <fill in the blank> led to <so bad it was funny> problem. |
| 21:40.10 | unum | for some bizarre reason the guy they hired straight out of college ended up being responsible for implementing the company database :) |
| 21:40.26 | unum | I've learned a lot in the process...... |
| 21:40.32 | rsimpkins | I bet. |
| 21:40.39 | rsimpkins | Yeah, common IT management mistake. |
| 21:40.51 | unum | too bad I was planning on being a sysadmin, not a programmer or dba |
| 21:40.53 | rsimpkins | "Let's have the new guy do it, he needs the experience." |
| 21:41.51 | rsimpkins | A really good IT manager will know when to push and when to seek higher up the ladder, in my opinion. |
| 21:43.29 | rsimpkins | I have the pleasure of being in our oakland datacenter this week. |
| 21:44.04 | unum | well we're kind of small company |
| 21:44.10 | unum | it's either me or the it manager |
| 21:44.33 | unum | and I had more database experience :) |
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| 22:56.23 | blendmaster1-24 | has anyone seen my 0? it's missing |
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| 22:59.31 | blendmaster1024 | x) |
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| 23:19.11 | elg | to fix my honda accord (91) or to get a motorcycle? |
| 23:20.51 | elg | honda needs an alternator to get on the road ($468, though I could perhaps get one and do it myself for about half that). but it also needs a bunch of work to fix oil leaks and has a potential oil pump leak that could be eating away at timing belt (and it may be time for the timing belt anyway) which all comes to another $1k |
| 23:22.15 | elg | and though it may run happily for years after that, its power windows are dead, the radio is long gone, it's generally ugly, needs a muffler, tail light, who knows what else |
| 23:22.41 | elg | used motorcycle I can probably find for < $1k |
| 23:23.24 | elg | the only downside to a motorcycle is that it won't be a good backup for when it's raining. it will only serve as a flexibility enhancer (i usually take the train) |
| 23:29.16 | eightyeight | rather than a motorcycle, get a bicycle. if you usually take the train anyway, and if your wife has a car |
| 23:30.56 | eightyeight | you'll be saving the environment, saving considerable cash, get good exercise... |
| 23:36.12 | elg | i have a bike, and I use it (in conjunction with the train) at least 4/5 days of the week |
| 23:36.26 | elg | but some days you just can't live by the train schedule and get anything done |
| 23:36.46 | elg | and 18 miles is a bit far for me to bike still |
| 23:37.33 | eightyeight | ah. yeah. 18 miles is a bit to bike |
| 23:37.50 | elg | actually direct it might be more like 13 |
| 23:37.51 | elg | but yea |
| 23:39.07 | eightyeight | i would only get the motorbike if i could finde good, cheap insurance |
| 23:44.28 | elg | motorcycle insurance is chea |
| 23:44.29 | elg | p |
| 23:44.30 | elg | cheap |
| 23:45.01 | elg | because you're not as likely to do major damage to the other party in an accident |
| 23:45.16 | elg | unless you mean health insurance? |
| 23:45.22 | elg | or maybe life insurance? :) |
| 23:47.17 | eightyeight | yes. :) |