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| 16:35.36 | bonez2046 | Good morning.. I need a quick tip on email encryption. I need to exchange email and have it encrypted and signed.. the recipient is 72 years old.. running (gulp) win 98se .. she's very stubborn and hard to convince to upgrade hardware and software.. she uses yahoo mail and aol mail.. is there any hope.. for email to her from me using gmail, to get it encrypted? |
| 16:42.07 | orbit | Post what you want to send to her on a website and serve it up with SSL? |
| 16:45.47 | unum | I think that wins as the easiest solution |
| 16:46.15 | unum | you can just send her an encrypted attachment |
| 16:46.20 | Jayce^ | blinks... orbit's in the channel again?! wow |
| 16:46.38 | unum | though I guess you wouldn't have the signing then |
| 16:47.03 | unum | actually I've never used yahoo or aol mail so I have no idea what is availiable |
| 16:47.21 | unum | do they have built in encryption stuff? |
| 16:48.08 | Jayce^ | oh no |
| 16:48.17 | Jayce^ | but you can get enigmail for FF |
| 16:48.26 | Jayce^ | makes it possible to do it with webmail |
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| 16:57.02 | wingman | cool. enigmail works for any webmail? |
| 16:57.34 | wingman | oh, you need thunderbird |
| 16:58.27 | wingman | anything for a 72 year old lady is gonna be hard |
| 16:58.38 | Jayce^ | there is a FF plugin for doing gpg |
| 16:59.48 | Migs | I'm in a Second Life conference right now (http://vwbpe.org) |
| 16:59.52 | JoshH | i would never try to send a 72 year old woman an encrypted email |
| 16:59.59 | Migs | kind of interesting...first time I've tried actually using SL for learning |
| 17:00.21 | wingman | im still working on this First Life thing |
| 17:00.37 | wingman | before i move on to the next round |
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| 17:45.33 | eightyeight | wingman: i'm with JoshH and orbit. rather than sending an encrypted email, that will require her to generate a public key pair, and all that jazz, just put the text on a web page under ssl, and that is password protected |
| 17:46.39 | eightyeight | if it's too sensitive to put in the cloud unecrypted, then i think just meeting her in person is the next best solution |
| 17:53.25 | bonez2046 | JoshH: My Mom is 72 but she runs three computers.. and a business too.. she's amtitious enough to learn.. with the right solution.. |
| 17:53.50 | JoshH | is this a one time thing, or will you send her encrypted stuff frequently? |
| 17:54.18 | JoshH | when sending stuff to my wife, i normally just scp it to her desktop, but she uses a mac |
| 17:54.24 | bonez2046 | eightyeight: just 'meeting' defeats the point.. I need to exchange information back and forth, without enriching our Middle Eastern friends, burning more gas.. |
| 17:54.34 | bonez2046 | JoshH: sending frequently |
| 17:55.00 | bonez2046 | hmm she has Logmein running.. maybe that's an option.. |
| 17:55.33 | JoshH | if she's ambitious, get her reading plug and in this channel and learning about linux :) |
| 17:55.41 | eightyeight | then i would do an ssl-enabled, password-protected server |
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| 17:56.14 | eightyeight | bonez2046: or, get her setup with a jabber account |
| 17:57.20 | bonez2046 | I have attempted the "Here Mom, try running linux" routine and about got tossed out of her office.. |
| 17:57.36 | bonez2046 | eightyeight: I run apache 2 on my server here.. but not on her LAN there.. |
| 17:58.24 | wingman | eightyeight: yeah, i agree. i like the encrypted attachment option too. but walking here through that would be hard |
| 17:58.32 | wingman | s/here/her |
| 17:58.45 | eightyeight | wingman: i never suggested the encrypted attachment. that was unum |
| 17:59.20 | eightyeight | bonez2046: jabber is ssl encrypted by default, and many jabber clients support file transfer... |
| 17:59.22 | wingman | i ran linux on hour home PC several years ago, dual booted but default option was linux. my mom said "fix the computer" |
| 17:59.47 | wingman | she didnt know how to select windows or linux |
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| 18:00.43 | wingman | eightyeight: i know you never suggested, i was just saying i liked it |
| 18:01.03 | bonez2046 | well, next time I visit Mom I'll set up a jabber client .. that would work. |
| 18:01.07 | wingman | i wasnt disagreeing with anyone |
| 18:01.18 | eightyeight | wingman: ah |
| 18:02.20 | eightyeight | i think the encrypted attachment is just as ambitious as the encrypted mail |
| 18:02.40 | goozbach | dropbox not a choice? |
| 18:02.41 | eightyeight | it requires setting up a pgp/gpg key pair, that i doubt most 72 year olds have the patience for |
| 18:02.43 | goozbach | or the like |
| 18:02.55 | goozbach | symetric encryption |
| 18:02.57 | sjansen | wingman: You're so disagreeable. |
| 18:03.00 | wingman | i was talking about like password protected zip file or something |
| 18:03.12 | wingman | sjansen: ? |
| 18:03.26 | sjansen | You disagree? |
| 18:03.33 | sjansen | Just proves my point. |
| 18:05.43 | sjansen | mentions iFolder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFolder |
| 18:06.35 | bonez2046 | could she access dropbox if I used that? |
| 18:06.45 | bonez2046 | I could set it up at her place for her.. |
| 18:09.34 | eightyeight | speaking of encryption, ssh tunnels ftw |
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| 18:10.41 | keldwud | has anyone found a working MSN client for FOO-buntu? |
| 18:11.04 | keldwud | or, do I need to make a windows box to act as a proxy or something to fool those assholes over at microsoft? |
| 18:11.49 | toofer | Would something like Yousendit.com be out place for what you need bonez2046? Or maybe you could configure web dav on your Apache server. Then on her home computer you can configure a network drive to map to the webdav directory. Or maybe just good old SFTP? Or maybe get WinSCP for her to just connect to your SSH server? |
| 18:12.10 | toofer | keldwud, pidgin has always worked for me. |
| 18:12.21 | bonez2046 | toofer: thanks.. |
| 18:12.22 | eightyeight | keldwud: what's foo-buntu? |
| 18:12.40 | keldwud | foobuntu would be xubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu, etc |
| 18:12.47 | eightyeight | ah |
| 18:12.50 | goozbach | eightyeight: it's yet *ANOTHER* ubuntu spin/clone |
| 18:12.53 | goozbach | :) |
| 18:12.55 | eightyeight | i guess |
| 18:12.57 | eightyeight | :) |
| 18:13.07 | keldwud | http://searchcio-midmarket.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid183_gci212139,00.html |
| 18:13.15 | keldwud | that link should give a definition of foo |
| 18:13.24 | jsmith | keldwud: Empathy should also work |
| 18:13.29 | eightyeight | keldwud: i guess any cross-protocol client, like bitlbee, empathy, pidgin... |
| 18:13.34 | keldwud | pidgin hasn't been working for me |
| 18:13.42 | keldwud | are you sure it still works for you, toofer? |
| 18:13.48 | keldwud | it stopped working in january |
| 18:13.55 | goozbach | well in a world where gaybuntu, praisebuntu, hellbuntu, and others exist, I wouldn't put it past the internet |
| 18:13.59 | keldwud | and emscene isn't working either |
| 18:14.27 | goozbach | speaking of which, I think we may have hit rule 34 |
| 18:14.39 | toofer | keldwud, yep just logged in and I even use a proxy. |
| 18:14.41 | keldwud | "foo is the canonical metasyntactic variable, " |
| 18:14.48 | keldwud | lol, gaybuntu? haha. |
| 18:15.01 | keldwud | that could possibly count as rule 34 |
| 18:15.09 | toofer | goozbach, what's rule 34? |
| 18:15.21 | keldwud | toofer, it's one of those things you don't want to google |
| 18:15.39 | goozbach | toofer: http://xkcd.com/305/ |
| 18:15.49 | keldwud | basically, "if somebody can think of a subject, there's internet porn available for that very subject" |
| 18:16.12 | goozbach | don't visit the site mentioned at work |
| 18:16.30 | eightyeight | keldwud: i'm familiar with foo, bar, baz, qux, quux, corge, grault, garply, waldo, fred, plugh, xyzzy and thud |
| 18:16.51 | keldwud | eighty, oh. ok :) |
| 18:17.07 | keldwud | I'm only familiar with three of those. |
| 18:17.17 | eightyeight | just wasn't familiar with a new ubuntu spin-off called 'foo-buntu' |
| 18:17.29 | keldwud | nah, I have several flavors of ubuntu here at home |
| 18:17.34 | eightyeight | but now i understand your grobbing |
| 18:17.41 | eightyeight | s/gr/gl/ |
| 18:17.43 | keldwud | and I didn't think that my msn problem was specific to any flavor |
| 18:17.49 | goozbach | keldwud: they are the metasyntatic varibles |
| 18:18.05 | keldwud | goozbach, I got that from reading the article I linked. lol |
| 18:18.10 | eightyeight | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3092.html |
| 18:18.17 | keldwud | the metasyntatic variables. |
| 18:18.43 | keldwud | oh, that rfc would have been more appropriate. I'll keep that one handy |
| 18:19.44 | keldwud | anyway, I've been through several walkthroughs for setting up my msn account on a non-windows machine but after a month, I still can't connect |
| 18:20.31 | keldwud | I'm wondering if it's worth the trouble or if I should just stick with meebo |
| 18:20.33 | goozbach | keldwud: there are two rfc's you must remember |
| 18:20.41 | keldwud | what's the other one, goozbach? |
| 18:20.44 | goozbach | 1392 and 3092 |
| 18:21.29 | goozbach | 1918 and 3092 |
| 18:21.31 | goozbach | I fail |
| 18:22.08 | keldwud | Address Allocation? |
| 18:22.19 | goozbach | private networks |
| 18:22.27 | goozbach | 192.168.. 172.16 |
| 18:22.29 | goozbach | 10. |
| 18:22.33 | goozbach | they're useful |
| 18:23.20 | keldwud | that was a quick read |
| 18:25.24 | keldwud | are there any groups or courses along the wasatch front that are focusing on html5 yet? |
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| 18:43.14 | Jayce^ | mrpull: that is an addictive link man.. |
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| 19:07.42 | elg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-KczCp0OQ4 |
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| 19:08.18 | keldwud | ooh, mario sunshine IRL |
| 19:09.08 | keldwud | it's definitely a lot smaller than the "personal jetpack" |
| 19:09.41 | keldwud | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLccl_NWDQE |
| 19:10.11 | keldwud | I bet it's much more quiet, too. |
| 19:42.41 | unum | http://www.bradcolbow.com/archive.php/?p=205 |
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| 20:16.10 | unum | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/12/opinion/12brooks.html?th&emc=th |
| 20:16.17 | unum | I like the part about coccoons |
| 20:16.23 | unum | that's why I like to debate with people |
| 20:16.32 | unum | keep me from getting to comfortable in my coccoon |
| 20:34.07 | brasto | I want to move some computers in a part of the house far away from any cat 5 cables. Must I get wireless nics for each of them, or can I get a wireless router and connect it to the other wireless router? Any ideas? |
| 20:35.47 | goozbach | brasto: you want a wireless bridge |
| 20:35.51 | goozbach | not router |
| 20:36.21 | brasto | any recomendations on where to get one goozbach? |
| 20:36.26 | brasto | recommendations, that is |
| 20:36.39 | brasto | s/recomendations/recommendations/ |
| 20:37.03 | brasto | ah, now I know it no workie if you type something else before you do that. |
| 20:37.07 | brasto | ~dumb bot |
| 20:37.08 | ibot | stupid human |
| 20:37.22 | brasto | ~cool bot |
| 20:37.23 | ibot | ACTION takes out a fan to wave over bot but decides to beat bot with it instead |
| 20:37.52 | goozbach | nah |
| 20:42.20 | TodPunk | brasto: if you want to do a dd-wrt thing, there's a buffalo wireless N router that I see mentioned works well. Buffalo's been good about supporting custom firmwares. |
| 20:42.49 | brasto | dd-wrt? |
| 20:42.50 | TodPunk | If not, pretty much anything that advertises itself as a Wireless Bridge will likely work. It's not a new tech. |
| 20:42.54 | brasto | ~dd-wrt |
| 20:43.00 | brasto | ~wrt |
| 20:43.01 | ibot | methinks wrt is with respect to, or with regards to, or the Linksys WRT54G on which some people have successfully installed Asterisk. More information at http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+Linksys+WRT54G |
| 20:43.56 | brasto | found 2 wireless bridges at BestBuy.com but they are $100, and I could get about 4 wireless nics for that. |
| 20:43.58 | TodPunk | dd-wrt is a custom firmware for a large set of wireless routers that supports some advanced features and customizations. For instance, on my home router I can run an httpd server and do some basic fileserving or router config from a shell, etc |
| 20:44.36 | brasto | ah, I just want to have internet for the other computers upstairs. No advanced firewall needed. |
| 20:44.57 | TodPunk | If you do 4 wireless nics, they will be using the same 45mbits (most likely) to your router, so you might have some other headaches with that scenario. |
| 20:45.37 | TodPunk | I suggest dd-wrt mostly because it can do some performance enhancements as well. |
| 20:46.34 | TodPunk | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833162034 This one is listed as compatable, and it's only 40 bucks anyway. |
| 20:46.48 | brasto | ah, ok, so it's something you flash to a wireless router. |
| 20:46.52 | brasto | that makes sense. |
| 20:46.59 | TodPunk | mhmmm |
| 20:47.36 | TodPunk | I have a /29 at home, so it makes configuring the extra IP nats possible whereas on the linksys firmware it came with that wasn't an option. |
| 20:48.13 | TodPunk | love to stay and chat, but I gotta skidaddly. cheers. |
| 21:05.24 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 21:05.25 | ibot | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs ChanServ |
| 21:06.05 | sjansen | Heh. |
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| 21:18.37 | TimRiker | anyone here working on/with pixelture? interested to learn more about "WPcore" |
| 21:25.26 | neybar | just make sure if you get the wrt54 that you get the linux version, otherwise you may not be able to flash it. |
| 21:25.32 | Sargun | TodPunk, /29 routed, or DC? |
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| 22:11.04 | TimRiker | neybar: I've put linux on the vxworks linksys routers. they just have less space. See http://www.dd-wrt.com/ for example. |
| 22:11.30 | TimRiker | neybar: but I agree, starting with a Linux version is easier and better. |
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| 22:51.36 | sjansen | http://opensource.org/ |
| 22:52.19 | sjansen | For shame. |
| 22:53.11 | toofer | oh man, that is funny. |
| 22:55.03 | jalbretsen | fail |
| 22:57.00 | elg | well at least it isn't an IIS 404 page |
| 23:05.32 | orbit | Got a screenshot of that? Missed it. |
| 23:05.50 | elg | just the drupal "configure me, idiot" page |
| 23:06.00 | orbit | :-) |
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