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| 15:30.18 | Migs | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyGJXLxtVEo |
| 15:33.45 | cedwards | it's a trap |
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| 17:00.59 | Migs | RT: @BreakingNews: 43% of Americans say they have less than $10,000 saved for retirement, new survey shows . CNN Money http://bit.ly/bBFWVY |
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| 17:09.31 | Jayce^ | why would they need to save, they've got social security :) |
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| 17:21.19 | unum | 24.3% of americans are under 18 :) |
| 17:24.35 | Migs | yeah. It would be far more interesting to see a study on what % of Americans over 40 or 50 have less than $10,000 saved for retirement |
| 17:30.34 | mp_ | the article said it was "working americans" |
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| 17:50.28 | Migs | hahaha RT: @BreakingNews: Citibank exposes 600,000 customers' Social Security numbers in 'processing error' http://bit.ly/bbCudE |
| 17:52.46 | sshaw | Jayce^: exactly, and when that ponzi scheme fails, we can just start a new one right ;) |
| 17:53.14 | sjansen | A new ponzi scheme? How do I get in on the ground floor? |
| 17:53.33 | sshaw | sjansen: yup, we should start our own retirement program :) |
| 17:53.36 | Jayce^ | get elected |
| 17:54.01 | sshaw | Jayce^: it might cost more to get a PR team for sjansen than its worth ;) |
| 17:54.21 | sshaw | one top poster and the campaign is over ;0 |
| 17:55.27 | sjansen | As my first act as an elected official, I'd arrest all paintballing preppers for subversion and render them to a foreign power for "questioning". |
| 17:55.39 | sshaw | lol |
| 17:56.01 | Jayce^ | so continuing current policies :) |
| 17:56.16 | mp_ | HB 150 is being debated on the senate floor, but i can't find a live stream anywhere |
| 17:56.31 | sshaw | which one is HB 150? |
| 17:56.42 | Jayce^ | the "there is no more 4th ammd" |
| 17:56.42 | mp_ | internet privacy |
| 17:57.03 | sshaw | Jayce^: we still follow that old dusty document? ;) |
| 17:57.14 | Jayce^ | not really |
| 17:57.45 | Jayce^ | mp_: they do a real stream linked from http://le.utah.gov/ |
| 17:58.35 | mp_ | damnation, should have brought my mac in to work |
| 17:58.46 | Jayce^ | Sen romero was just up |
| 18:03.12 | sjansen | Didn't he write Doom or something? |
| 18:03.36 | sjansen | Why do we need HB150 if he can just threaten ISPs with his BFG? |
| 18:04.11 | Jayce^ | 19-10 feh |
| 18:06.35 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 18:07.02 | levi | Jayce^: Won't you think of the *children*?! |
| 18:09.32 | elg | sjansen: I've got a mystery for your guruness |
| 18:10.13 | sjansen | Sorry, but His Guruness is busy right now. Maybe I can help you instead. |
| 18:10.42 | elg | writing a shell script,http://pastie.org/861722 |
| 18:11.01 | elg | that works. what doesn't work, in a most mysterious way, is if I leave off the cruft on line 4, and just put |
| 18:11.06 | elg | ffmpeg -y -i "$mp3" -ab 96k "$base".m4a |
| 18:12.02 | elg | the way it fails is most mysterious - the read statement (the loop) gets all confused, filenames truncated, whole swaths of entries and directories omitted |
| 18:12.44 | elg | if i comment out ffmpeg and bash -x it, it works fine (shows the right filenames). if I put ffmpeg in a subshell, it works fine. i'm not sure if the echo is necessary but I threw it in for good measure. |
| 18:16.03 | elg | (btw, what it does is convert mp3 ringtones into .m4r ringtones) |
| 18:17.41 | elg | it's almost as if ffmpeg is modifying the environment somehow, but is that possible? |
| 18:17.56 | elg | or maybe messing with stdin or stdout or something in a way that throws off the loop |
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| 18:24.20 | sjansen | Everything inside of the while is sharing stdin with read. |
| 18:24.36 | sjansen | Here's a simple way to prove it: |
| 18:24.38 | sjansen | find /tmp | while read FOO; do read BAR; echo "FOO: $FOO BAR: $BAR"; done |
| 18:24.52 | sjansen | Instead of using a subshell, another fix is: |
| 18:25.01 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.17 | elg | so maybe it's just safest to update my while read idiom to be |
| 18:26.28 | elg | find | while read FOO; do ( ... ); done |
| 18:27.24 | sjansen | That's not going to work. |
| 18:27.45 | sjansen | To be honest, I think the only reason the subshell is working is the echo. |
| 18:28.06 | levi | Ah, the joys of shell scripting. |
| 18:28.09 | sjansen | The subshell still shares stdin. |
| 18:28.45 | elg | so the subshell is a red herring, it's the echo that saves me |
| 18:30.21 | sjansen | yup |
| 18:31.27 | Gate | Social Security to HB150 to the intricacies of bash. Wow. |
| 18:31.42 | elg | I could... echo | ( ... ) |
| 18:33.43 | elg | or ( ... ) </dev/null |
| 18:37.13 | elg | Gate: one of these things is not like the others |
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| 19:09.07 | bonez2046 | any cups gurus here? I can't get cups latest version on my ubuntu 9.10 box to share with my home LAN.. |
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| 19:18.48 | sjansen | Gate: Gotta love #utah. |
| 19:20.13 | sjansen | find | while read; do echo | ( ... ); done |
| 19:20.29 | sjansen | It's a little ugly, but I like it. :-) |
| 19:20.33 | sjansen | ~reward elg |
| 19:20.34 | ibot | ACTION gives elg a brownie point. And a *kick* in the pants! |
| 19:23.00 | Migs | ~whaleslap elg |
| 19:23.01 | ibot | ACTION beats elg upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
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| 20:54.29 | elg | âFacebook is the door to lust.â - Saudi priest |
| 20:55.20 | elg | sjansen: do you see any problems with the other new bit of the idiom? find -print0 | while read -d $'\0' |
| 20:55.54 | tristanbob__ | http://i.imgur.com/NslKJ.jpg |
| 20:56.04 | elg | I pieced that together from some bits on the intertubes, but I'm not 100% positive that $'\0' is correct (though it seems to work) |
| 20:56.39 | elg | tristanbob__: want |
| 20:57.17 | fozzmoo | tristanbob__: oooh yeah. |
| 20:57.33 | elg | http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/saudi-arabia/100203/internet-women?page=0,1 |
| 20:57.51 | tristanbob__ | elg it might have the same affect as this: http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/ny/look/look-crazy-christmas-decoration-103329 |
| 21:00.18 | sjansen | elg: The -print0 isn't strictly needed unless you're expecting newlines in the filenames. |
| 21:00.47 | sjansen | In fact... |
| 21:02.15 | elg | sjansen: how so? if you're splitting on \0 then regular find would just give you one big string |
| 21:02.34 | sjansen | find will print one filename per line |
| 21:02.42 | elg | i don't *expect* to have newlines in filenames, but people not expecting spaces is what got us in this mess in the first place. |
| 21:02.42 | sjansen | read will read one line at a time |
| 21:03.08 | elg | so if I can make the idiom more robust that's good. |
| 21:03.11 | sjansen | therefore, read will assign one filename at a time |
| 21:03.36 | elg | until you have a filename with a newline. maybe it's too paranoid but there you have it. |
| 21:04.54 | sjansen | Have you actually tested the -d $'\0' ? |
| 21:06.22 | sjansen | mkdir tmp ; cd tmp |
| 21:06.24 | sjansen | touch "$(echo -e 'foo\nbar')" |
| 21:06.31 | sjansen | find -type f | while read NAME; do ls -l "$NAME"; done |
| 21:06.38 | sjansen | find -type f -print0 | while read -d $'\0' NAME; do ls -l "$NAME"; done |
| 21:06.56 | sjansen | IOW, LGTM |
| 21:08.42 | sjansen | If you want to make your script even more robust, you probably want to add -type f |
| 21:09.37 | sjansen | BTW, I'm not a fan of lower case shell variables. Shell script are already hard enough to read. The all uppercase variables is a good convention. |
| 21:09.53 | elg | the $ isn't enough of a clue for you? |
| 21:10.03 | fozzmoo | I agree. |
| 21:10.11 | fozzmoo | ~lart lower case shell variables |
| 21:10.11 | ibot | cuts off lower case shell variables's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 21:10.45 | sjansen | echo "$mp3" | sed -e "s/\.mp3$// |
| 21:10.45 | fozzmoo | At the same time, I hate CamelCase variables in other languages. |
| 21:10.52 | sjansen | can be better expressed as |
| 21:11.00 | fozzmoo | Just use basename |
| 21:11.08 | fozzmoo | basename $FILE .mp3 |
| 21:11.22 | elg | $(dirname "$FILE")/$(basename "$FILE" .mp3) |
| 21:11.32 | elg | is that more clear? maybe. but it's more than twice as slow |
| 21:11.39 | sjansen | basename foo.MP3 .mp3 |
| 21:11.42 | elg | noticeably slower, when the only other thing you do is echo $base |
| 21:12.06 | sjansen | MP3='foo.Mp3' |
| 21:12.11 | sjansen | echo ${MP3/.[Mm][Pp]3/} |
| 21:12.17 | fozzmoo | So, the subshell adds measurable overhead? |
| 21:12.28 | elg | the forking of dirname and basename does |
| 21:12.37 | fozzmoo | makes sense. |
| 21:12.40 | elg | whether it's because it's a subshell or whether it's because those are just slow |
| 21:12.41 | sjansen | As demonstrated, basename doesn't work. |
| 21:13.07 | elg | the echo trick, that could work. but I'm not excited about [Mm][Pp]. is there no case insensitivity flag? |
| 21:13.07 | sjansen | Bash can do the work itself. And it's more readable. |
| 21:13.08 | fozzmoo | IANAHSSP |
| 21:13.25 | fozzmoo | s/\.mp3//i |
| 21:13.35 | fozzmoo | shrugs |
| 21:13.36 | sjansen | base="iphone/$(echo "$mp3" | sed -e "s/\.mp3$//")" |
| 21:13.38 | elg | well, sed does (and I note my script doesn't) |
| 21:14.09 | sjansen | BASE="iphone/${MP3/[Mm][Pp]3/}" |
| 21:15.09 | elg | how do you get bash to anchor it? |
| 21:15.27 | elg | ${MP3/mp3$/} doesn't work |
| 21:15.29 | elg | nor \$ |
| 21:16.14 | elg | it's clever but I'm thinking sed is more readable |
| 21:16.22 | elg | (but sed is probably slower) |
| 21:17.56 | sjansen | I keep forgetting it exists, but if you want to strip a suffix: |
| 21:17.58 | sjansen | echo ${MP3%.[Mm][Pp]3} |
| 21:18.49 | elg | cool |
| 21:19.27 | sjansen | Although I really hate $MP3 as a variable name. |
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| 21:26.12 | sjansen | elg: I assume this is for work? Shouldn't you be building some monstrous combination of Java+Hadoop+PHP? |
| 21:26.37 | elg | no, not for work |
| 21:26.54 | sjansen | Oh, good. Bash and ffmpeg just doesn't seem enterprisey enough. |
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| 21:29.38 | Migs | thinks ALL variables should be variants of $MP3 |
| 21:31.01 | fozzmoo | has done a ton w/ ffmpeg this last year. Fun stuff. |
| 21:31.14 | elg | ffmpeg ftw |
| 21:31.31 | sjansen | But it's not even written in Java! |
| 21:34.42 | elg | nobody uses java anymore |
| 21:36.50 | Jayce^ | finally, I think I've found a facebook million member type page that I might join.. |
| 21:36.52 | Jayce^ | http://www.facebook.com/pages/MY-SISTER-SAID-IF-I-GET-ONE-MILLION-FANS-SHE-WILL-NAME-HER-BABY-MEGATRON/333067975442?ref=mf |
| 21:41.13 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 21:41.13 | fozzmoo | I was tempted to join the "Weber State can get 17 fans before USU or BYU gets 1,000,000" group |
| 21:42.33 | Gate | "If this facebook group gets 1,000,000 members it will have 1,000,000 members" |
| 21:43.48 | Jayce^ | eggyknap: sounds like you're having a fun day... |
| 21:44.00 | eggyknap | Jayce^: Wow, ping.fm is fast :) |
| 21:44.04 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 21:44.21 | Jayce^ | eggyknap: it was the 'firearms' bit, of course |
| 21:44.34 | eggyknap | Actually, I am... it's just been a while. And I'm browsing reviews of sniper rifles while waiting for the latest iteration of a really long test run to finish. |
| 21:44.47 | Jayce^ | ooh, which rifles? |
| 21:45.13 | eggyknap | This was a Kimber .308. Since I have little experience on which to base a proper opinion, I mostly read some, and look at pretty pictures. |
| 21:45.31 | Sargun_Screen | GNAA is back!? |
| 21:45.36 | Jayce^ | you'll have to come with us.. friend of mine has the kimber 308 bolt.. |
| 21:46.08 | Jayce^ | a few friends have much higher end requirements/tast/budget than I do.. so I often live by proxy.. |
| 21:46.15 | eggyknap | heh |
| 21:46.17 | Jayce^ | that and they love comparing |
| 21:46.34 | Jayce^ | only way I get to shoot things like the windrunner and ferret.. |
| 21:47.11 | eggyknap | had a nice experience with a Lapua a while back, but that gets into serious $$ |
| 21:47.20 | Jayce^ | still shoots a 1903 |
| 21:47.36 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, most folks expect to pay *more* on glass than the actual rifle... |
| 21:48.29 | JoshH | are sniper rifles like that (that normal people can afford) actually more accurate than quality hunting rifles? |
| 21:48.32 | JoshH | or just more awesome |
| 21:48.37 | Jayce^ | they are |
| 21:48.51 | Jayce^ | between the better ammo, and various parts. |
| 21:49.00 | Jayce^ | when 1 moa just doesn't cut it anymore |
| 21:49.09 | eggyknap | Plus larger rounds. There's little that's worth hunting with a .50 cal, since ideally you'd like to have some of the animal in one usable piece after a successful hunt. |
| 21:49.36 | Jayce^ | eggyknap: yeah, if you're hunting with BMG, well there are a couple you might, but that's more competition |
| 21:49.41 | JoshH | ya, i just figure if your hobby is blasting watermelons from 500 yards or something, how does a sniper rifle help you out |
| 21:50.26 | eggyknap | You can't hit a watermelon more than once anyway, it seems, so tight groups don't make much difference. |
| 21:51.01 | Jayce^ | JoshH: well, at 500, you average decent rifle vs your 'sniper' one should be about 5 inches in variance.. but most who care about that stuff are shooting more than 500 |
| 21:51.34 | Jayce^ | several friends that shoot competitively just can't accept 1moa |
| 21:51.43 | Jayce^ | for me, yeah that's pretty nice |
| 21:54.24 | eggyknap | learned this week that there are such things as big bore air rifles... that sounds mildly amusing. |
| 21:54.52 | eggyknap | One site had a hunt story from someone who took down a bison w/ a .50 air rifle.. from 50 yards. I'd rather not be that close. |
| 21:55.30 | Jayce^ | yeah, especially considering the requirements for charging for the next shot |
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| 22:16.04 | elg | sometimes the chefs here at facebook need a good kick in the pants. like today. Vegetarian Bean Stew "Fejoada" |
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| 22:18.16 | sjansen | elg: Find a pig leg. Beat them with it as you chant "if this isn't in it, it isn't feijoada". |
| 22:18.26 | elg | good idea. :) |
| 22:18.34 | elg | can I beat them with the hooved end? |
| 22:18.44 | goozbach | elg: of course |
| 22:18.48 | sjansen | Sure, if you want to be extra traditional. |
| 22:18.49 | goozbach | that's the pointy part |
| 22:19.37 | sjansen | More importantly, the hoove is a traditional part of feijoada even if observed more in spirit these days. |
| 22:19.55 | elg | they do a bangup job generally, but I've noticed a distinct deficiency in latin food. that may be because I have a refined latin palette, or it may just be that gourmet chefs focus on french and exotic stuff more than "boring" latin stuff. |
| 22:19.55 | sjansen | s/hoove/hoof/ |
| 22:20.43 | elg | is now competent with python ctypes. |
| 22:20.48 | sjansen | I doubt they'd get away with it in socal. |
| 22:21.53 | elg | you have a higher opinion of socal than I, but I have nothing to back it up so I'll pass |
| 22:23.37 | elg | sure, there's lots of mexicans around, but I'd say socal gringos are less latino-cultured than the average gringo new mexican, and they are naturally less latino cultured than latinos (especially ones in their own countries, or 1st-gen transplants) |
| 22:23.46 | eggyknap | mmm.. .feijoada... |
| 22:24.20 | eggyknap | In particular, fiejoada, complete with farofa... or however you spell that. |
| 22:24.28 | elg | mmmmm |
| 22:24.42 | elg | and the rice of course |
| 22:25.05 | elg | salty garlicky loaded with $FAT |
| 22:25.15 | elg | and pegado |
| 22:25.38 | eggyknap | was exposed to such things in their purity by a Brazilian living in Paris, and so knows little of the surrounding customs ... just that the food is good. |
| 22:29.13 | Jayce^ | bleh, real fejoiada... |
| 22:29.32 | Jayce^ | in minas, they'd still do the true 'traditional' kind.. |
| 22:29.38 | Jayce^ | snouts, ears, hair and all |
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| 22:50.44 | tensai | how do I autoload a kernel module with redhat 7.3? |
| 22:55.00 | fozzmoo | tensai: Can I ask the obvious question first? :) |
| 22:55.11 | fozzmoo | Or rather, can you answer the obvious question. |
| 22:55.32 | fozzmoo | You could do an 'insmod' in /etc/rc.local :) |
| 22:55.38 | tensai | yes, yes. I know. it's certainly not by choice. |
| 22:55.59 | tensai | fozzmoo: good idea. that should work |
| 22:56.18 | tensai | I've still got I think 4 redhat 7 boxes |
| 22:56.32 | elg | you masochist |
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| 22:57.03 | elg | rh7 predates modprobe? I'm finding that hard to believe |
| 22:57.15 | elg | oh, different kind of auto |
| 22:57.16 | fozzmoo | elg: Yeah, modprobe should work. |
| 22:57.43 | elg | didn't you have to stick something in some config file about which device node maps to which module? |
| 22:58.01 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.04 | elg | and once you did that, modules would autoload |
| 22:58.11 | fozzmoo | Got changed later to /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 22:58.11 | elg | maybe, or /etc/modprobe.d maybe? |
| 22:58.30 | tensai | it's hard to remember distro nuances from so long ago |
| 22:58.49 | fozzmoo | is teaching about wireless security tonight. |
| 22:58.49 | tensai | I haven't had to forcibly load a kernel module in quite a while |
| 23:02.27 | sjansen | ~lart tensai for still running rh7 |
| 23:02.27 | ibot | teaches tensai that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. for still running rh7 |
| 23:02.41 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 23:03.07 | sjansen | I swear, sometimes I think ibot is sentient (with a great sense of humor). |
| 23:03.08 | elg | access is to database as rh7 is to linux distro |
| 23:06.47 | Migs | I rotated my monitor today, and I'm liking it. http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs444.snc3/25474_374659984461_646069461_4702885_6715869_n.jpg |
| 23:07.39 | fozzmoo | Migs: Two like that side-by-side might be nice. |
| 23:10.35 | Migs | yeah, I really want another one |
| 23:10.45 | Migs | I used to have one, but I don't know what happened to it |
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| 23:33.38 | Migs | http://www.ajc.com/news/teen-attitudes-on-meth-358058.html |
| 23:43.59 | Sargun_Screen | METH IS AWESOME. |
| 23:51.09 | harleypig | http://www.manexpos.com |
