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| 04:13.25 | tristanbob | I am so, so, so very happy to have flash working again with 10.1 beta 3 (before, flash was using ALL the CPU and no sound would come out) |
| 04:13.44 | bonez2046 | tristanbob: which os? |
| 04:13.48 | bonez2046 | er.. distro? |
| 04:13.49 | tylerdmace | <-- openbsd user. Don't talk to me about flash |
| 04:13.52 | tristanbob | ubuntu 9.10 |
| 04:14.06 | bonez2046 | flash has cost me countless hours.. |
| 04:14.25 | bonez2046 | tylerdmace: does flash have issues with bsd? |
| 04:16.02 | tylerdmace | bonez2046: BSD, no. In fact, I could get it working on OBSD without a hitch. However, for principle reasons the OBSD project and many of it's users don't ever install it |
| 04:16.11 | tristanbob | strange... I don't have flash installed except for a mozilla plugin. however flash is working on chromium, apparently using version 9. I must have installed it manually at some time? How can I find out what chrome is using for flash? |
| 04:16.15 | tylerdmace | Or make it easy to do should you chose to |
| 04:17.51 | tylerdmace | That was worded poorly, but the gist is that the project doesn't cater to those who want it and most users probably don't bother installing it because it's not the most trivial thing ever |
| 04:20.27 | Sargun | Flash is interesting |
| 05:02.24 | bonez2046 | I need a way to track events.. over months and years.. something really simple.. |
| 05:03.08 | Sargun | uhm |
| 05:03.10 | Sargun | outlook? |
| 05:03.13 | bonez2046 | for example, I have friends around the US who are in various businesses.. I'd like to track each one, by start month.. and have the tracking remind me at various intervals.. to send reminders/queries to each person about their business.. |
| 05:03.22 | bonez2046 | outlook? I run linux, sargun |
| 05:03.35 | Sargun | oh |
| 05:07.18 | tylerdmace | Outlook has OWA which works |
| 05:07.26 | tylerdmace | via web |
| 05:07.50 | tylerdmace | But whatever mail client you're using should have something similar built in or available so long as you're using something modern |
| 07:18.20 | zzqa | bonez2046: google calendar |
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| 19:18.36 | sjansen | One flew over the cuckoo's nest. |
| 19:21.32 | goozbach | One dug under the badger's hole. |
| 19:21.51 | goozbach | wow, that's oddly the same size. |
| 19:22.55 | goozbach | three in a row? can he do four? |
| 19:22.59 | goozbach | no! |
| 19:23.05 | goozbach | mis-count |
| 19:23.13 | keldwud | connect four |
| 19:23.55 | sjansen | My headphones died last week. Now I can't code. :-( |
| 19:41.53 | Gate | sjansen: hum |
| 19:43.46 | maquis | ~lart redbeard2 |
| 19:43.46 | ibot | beats redbeard2 senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
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| 19:50.06 | sjansen | Gate: I tried humming the complete Backstreet Boys catalog. Not not are my headphones broken, but my body is covered in welts. :-( |
| 19:50.24 | sjansen | s/Not not/Now not only/ |
| 19:50.41 | sjansen | And apparently I'm having an even harder time thinking straight. |
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| 19:55.50 | levi | sjansen: Well, get yourself some new headphones. |
| 19:56.38 | sjansen | Rumor has it that if I drive up to the Bose store in Park City I can exchange them for free. |
| 19:56.49 | sjansen | I forgot to do it over the weekend. |
| 19:57.00 | sjansen | Now I'm going to have to spend the entire week whining. |
| 19:59.16 | cedwards | sjansen: I would count this as work-related. Just leave now. |
| 20:16.37 | Gate | sjansen: $10 best buy, best headphones I have ever had |
| 20:27.52 | levi | I have nice AKG K217s headphones supplied by the office. |
| 20:33.29 | keldwud | sjansen, I'll go up there and exchange them for you |
| 20:33.39 | keldwud | I'm not working and have plenty of free time |
| 20:34.20 | sjansen | I don't believe you! You want to steal my precious! |
| 20:34.31 | sjansen | Nasty, filthy, tricksy Hobittses. |
| 20:35.40 | keldwud | lol |
| 20:37.42 | Gate | Coby++, they are my current headphones and very happy I have been |
| 20:38.18 | levi | I have a hard time believing that something bought for $10 at Best Buy can actually be good. |
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| 20:38.59 | Gate | levi: it may not have been Worst Buy, but I wouldn't pay more that $20 for headphones (ever) |
| 20:39.18 | Gate | these have this noise canceling thing that is very nice for the office |
| 20:40.38 | levi | Well, I'm not sure I'd spend much more than that on headphones either, but luckily I can get a super-nice employee discount on Harman brands, so I've become spoiled by nice audio gear. |
| 20:45.29 | levi | These k271s headphones sound amazing. They're studio monitor headphones, closed back, so they seal out the sound really well and are pretty rugged. |
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| 20:51.57 | levi | Hi, elg. |
| 20:53.09 | elg | yo |
| 20:53.15 | sjansen | I have a hard time believing that $20 headphones do a decent job of noise cancelling. |
| 20:53.30 | elg | you need to drink more kool aid then. |
| 20:53.41 | sjansen | Or spend less time on airplanes. |
| 20:53.59 | levi | I have a hard time believing that they do a decent job of reproducing music, much less cancelling noise. |
| 20:54.03 | elg | or spend more time on airplanes and cultivate your natural noise cancellation response. |
| 20:54.08 | keldwud | I like kool-aid |
| 20:54.10 | keldwud | oh yea |
| 20:54.11 | goozbach | sjansen: this cheap pair I got for a prize does a decent job |
| 20:54.12 | keldwud | *oh yeah |
| 20:54.16 | goozbach | they're maxwell |
| 20:54.21 | goozbach | maxell that is |
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| 20:54.36 | goozbach | NC-III |
| 20:54.52 | goozbach | they're not bose. |
| 20:54.55 | elg | i'll wait for the maxwell nc-XVIII |
| 20:54.57 | levi | There are probably standard ASICs now that you just hook up to power and a microphone to do noise cancelling. |
| 20:54.57 | goozbach | but they're good enough |
| 20:55.07 | elg | er, XIIIX |
| 20:55.12 | elg | roman numeral fail |
| 20:55.38 | levi | There's no way anyone has done a custom processor of any sort in $20 headphones. |
| 20:55.39 | elg | or ist hat XVII? |
| 20:56.51 | sjansen | goozbach: Have you taken them on a flight? You had Bose, right? How do they compare? |
| 20:57.25 | goozbach | haven't yet taken them on a flight |
| 20:57.31 | goozbach | but I did do yardwork with them |
| 20:57.47 | levi | I do yardwork with canalphones. |
| 20:58.01 | goozbach | didn't notice the weedwhacker |
| 20:58.13 | elg | ...until it whacked his knee |
| 20:58.26 | elg | close call, that. |
| 20:58.31 | goozbach | but this is cheap headphones post ear injury, compared to bose pre-ear injury |
| 20:58.53 | sjansen | ear injury? |
| 20:59.13 | elg | he ran into mike tyson |
| 20:59.17 | goozbach | you didn't hear that story? |
| 20:59.32 | elg | ~popcorn |
| 20:59.33 | ibot | methinks popcorn is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0f2YL_MThI, which is epic. |
| 20:59.36 | goozbach | when I set off a full bottle of flash powder at arm's lenght |
| 20:59.46 | levi | Oops. |
| 20:59.54 | sjansen | You shoved popcorn in your ears and climbed a cell tower? |
| 21:00.16 | goozbach | fozzmoo is to blame for that |
| 21:00.28 | goozbach | letting me leave with 1.5 bottles of A-B flash |
| 21:01.07 | sjansen | Blaming fozzmoo is standard operating procedure as far as I'm concerned. |
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| 21:01.43 | goozbach | thought so |
| 21:05.12 | tensai | ~flash fozzmoo |
| 21:05.13 | ibot | ACTION starts a firmware update on fozzmoo, then pulls the plug halfway through |
| 21:05.41 | sjansen | ponders why it was named creat(2) instead of create(2). |
| 21:05.52 | goozbach | creat |
| 21:06.02 | goozbach | is easyier ti tyeyp than create |
| 21:06.14 | goozbach | unlke the rest of my words |
| 21:08.33 | cedwards | wow |
| 21:16.34 | elg | alias cedwards nottensai |
| 21:16.53 | goozbach | cedwards isn't tensai? |
| 21:17.23 | tensai | not last time I checked |
| 21:17.23 | elg | nope. |
| 21:17.41 | elg | he's a tensaiposter |
| 21:17.45 | goozbach | dang peoples with the same lastname |
| 21:17.49 | goozbach | :) |
| 21:18.07 | goozbach | Jayce^, redbeard2, I'm looking at you! |
| 21:18.17 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | Freenode supports SSL: http://is.gd/7olFR | http://tinyurl.com/onlyforawesome | FAQ: cedwards isn't tensai |
| 21:20.00 | redbeard2 | goozbach, just so long as you don't try to say we're related |
| 21:20.05 | redbeard2 | i don't clame that hoser |
| 21:20.18 | goozbach | hoser! |
| 21:20.20 | elg | ~lart halls |
| 21:20.20 | ibot | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs halls |
| 21:25.32 | cedwards | do I really need to revert my nick? is it that hard? |
| 21:29.05 | goozbach | cedwards: nah |
| 21:29.08 | goozbach | it's just funny |
| 21:30.24 | cedwards | what gets me is that tensai is tensai. I don't recall tensai ever _not_ being tensai, so why the confusion. |
| 21:31.18 | elg | cedwards is very generic, the sort of thing someone might use as a login name, which an irc client would use as a sensible backup if tensai weren't available (e.g. logging on from a different computer from usual while the other is still logged in, etc.) |
| 21:31.29 | elg | makes one think you're just a degraded instance of tensai |
| 21:31.43 | elg | if one knows tensai's name of course. |
| 21:31.56 | cedwards | I suppose that could be validly argued as well, me being a degraded instance of tensai. |
| 21:32.42 | elg | e.g. from time to time I get the whim to play with a bot or a different irc client or whatever and will temporarily appear as fugalh |
| 21:32.48 | elg | sometimes at the same time as elg |
| 21:32.59 | elg | amazingly space time remains intact |
| 21:33.25 | elg | if my sister decided to start using irc and logging on as fugalh, it would confuse everyone. even me. |
| 21:33.31 | sjansen | feels betrayed |
| 21:34.01 | sjansen | cedwards: All that time we worked together, it was just part of your dastardly plot to impersonate tensai? |
| 21:34.04 | elg | but she's my sister so I'd just thump her into submission. but say it was my distant cousin, I wouldn't have that option. in that case, we'd either have to have a duel or people would just have to get used to the ambiguity |
| 21:34.31 | elg | personally i vote for a tensai/cedwards duel |
| 21:34.45 | sjansen | Paint balls and 50 paces? |
| 21:35.02 | elg | mmm, yeah. and then as an encore we can have a Hall duel. |
| 21:35.06 | tensai | 300 miles isn't far enough? |
| 21:35.14 | levi | I vote for a SCA-style duel with swords. |
| 21:35.26 | goozbach | I'd love to see a Hall duel |
| 21:35.27 | elg | tensai: no, the proclaimers can walk 500 miles. |
| 21:35.35 | Jayce^ | ~hose redbeard2 |
| 21:35.36 | ibot | ACTION hooks into a hydrant and hoses redbeard2 down. |
| 21:35.40 | goozbach | redbeard would be painted bluebeard methinks |
| 21:35.48 | levi | elg: A thousand miles, even. |
| 21:35.58 | levi | elg: Because they walk 500, and then 500 more, you see. |
| 21:35.59 | goozbach | or yellowbeard depending on which paint Jayce^ is shooting these days |
| 21:36.01 | elg | indeed. |
| 21:36.13 | elg | tensai: so you need to go a lot further than 300 miles. |
| 21:36.36 | cedwards | tensai: it sounds like i was supposed to ask permission for infringing on your IP, and using the same login. |
| 21:36.58 | goozbach | cedwards: it's all good |
| 21:37.00 | goozbach | don't go |
| 21:37.02 | tensai | cedwards: I don't really care |
| 21:37.08 | goozbach | we'll have to get used to it |
| 21:37.12 | elg | ya |
| 21:37.14 | sjansen | cedwards: When you finally achieve you evil designs, what next? Destroy Tene too? |
| 21:37.19 | elg | i don't care, i just have to keep reminding myself |
| 21:37.24 | goozbach | there's room enough for more than one edwards |
| 21:37.29 | cedwards | sjansen: I don't have any problems with Tene. |
| 21:37.30 | elg | and thought others might could use a reminder too. and I was right. |
| 21:37.44 | Jayce^ | goozbach: dunno, think fozzmoo only thinks of *one* edward |
| 21:37.46 | sjansen | cedwards: You denial is all the proof we need! |
| 21:37.50 | Jayce^ | though my shirt proclaims love for another |
| 21:37.53 | sjansen | declares cedwards a terrorist |
| 21:37.55 | goozbach | c = christer t = tensai |
| 21:37.58 | elg | keep fozzmoo's vampire fantasies out of this |
| 21:38.08 | cedwards | tensai: how old are you? maybe it comes down to who came first? |
| 21:38.13 | goozbach | Jayce^: you've got a team edward shirt then? |
| 21:38.16 | goozbach | NICE! |
| 21:38.20 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 21:38.26 | tensai | c is for christer that's good enough for me |
| 21:38.27 | Jayce^ | might wear it tomorrow, if I remember |
| 21:38.36 | tensai | cedwards: 0x20 |
| 21:38.48 | elg | me too. whee |
| 21:39.03 | Jayce^ | me points folks to http://bit.ly/7FrG0i |
| 21:40.04 | elg | i wonder at what point there will be a measurable slowdown in conversation on #utah due to digital arthritis |
| 21:40.04 | cedwards | tensai: I guess you win that one then. |
| 21:40.04 | sjansen | tensai: Unacceptable. You must take out cedwards Jack Bauer style, then wipe your bum with the constitution! Your nation, patriotism, and elg's dried peppers demands it of you! |
| 21:40.04 | tensai | keep elg's dried peppers away from my bum |
| 21:40.15 | elg | you won't have a bum when my dried peppers are done with you |
| 21:40.52 | Jayce^ | burninated |
| 21:42.15 | sjansen | Jayce^: That is an incredibly awesome shirt. |
| 21:42.57 | Jayce^ | sjansen: it's another of those great instant-litmus-tests you can use in a crowd |
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| 21:43.06 | elg | who knew selena's dad was named edward? |
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| 22:11.13 | sjansen | discovers he's as old as TeX |
| 22:11.27 | sjansen | We're both rolling over into a new bit this year. :-) |
| 22:15.16 | levi | Heh. |
| 22:15.29 | levi | Hey, has anyone here done any OBD-II stuff in Linux? |
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| 22:56.26 | rsimpkins | levi: I want to. :) |
| 22:59.29 | levi | I have an obd-link from scantool.net, and it works in Windows, but I haven't got very far with Linux software yet. |
| 22:59.42 | levi | The only thing I've seen is pyobd. |
| 23:03.42 | levi | Actually there's another one, but it's not compatible with the ELM323-based OBD-II devices. |
| 23:04.48 | rsimpkins | Wow, humans are capable of some seriously bad stuff: "Some witnesses told the BBC that villagers were caught in fishing nets and animal traps as they tried to flee and were then hacked to death." |
| 23:05.55 | Gate | rsimpkins: welcome to any non-western culture. We tend to get queasy when it comes to mass murder. |
| 23:07.28 | rsimpkins | I realize that in many places it is not so. Personally, I'd prefer to still be shocked when guys with big knifes cut up kids, women, etc. |
| 23:08.42 | levi | No kidding. |
| 23:09.06 | sjansen | Gate: Really? Seems we've done our fair share. |
| 23:09.51 | rsimpkins | sjansen: I was watching an interesting show on the military channel about the japanese view of WWII, and some of the stuff we did with our fire bomb campaigns, etc. |
| 23:10.05 | sjansen | Colonization. The Trail of Tears. The Holocaust. Three just off the top of my head. |
| 23:10.26 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Like, killing 70,000 japanese people (mostly women and kids) in one night alone. |
| 23:10.53 | sjansen | Did you see anything about the bat bombs? That was some seriously messed up, but creative thinking. |
| 23:11.22 | rsimpkins | No, they didn't mention those. I've never heard of them. |
| 23:11.52 | rsimpkins | nm, wikipedia has details. |
| 23:11.59 | rsimpkins | I think I do recall hearing about this. |
| 23:12.08 | sjansen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb |
| 23:12.51 | rsimpkins | Have you ever watched the documentary The Fog of War? |
| 23:12.52 | Gate | sjansen: I'm not saying that we haven't, but we started finding it distasteful in the last century or so (except russia) |
| 23:12.52 | levi | They built a replica of a Japanese village in Dugway to perfect the incindiary weapons for fire bombing Japanese cities in WWII. |
| 23:13.40 | sjansen | rsimpkins: Nope. |
| 23:13.48 | rsimpkins | McNamara was responsible for making a lot of the firebombing be successful. |
| 23:14.09 | rsimpkins | He talks about it now, having the benefit of hindsight, in that film. |
| 23:14.16 | levi | Thankfully, we don't seem to publically contemplate massive intentional destruction of civilian infrastructure and lives anymore. |
| 23:14.18 | rsimpkins | I highly recommend watching it. |
| 23:15.10 | rsimpkins | sjansen: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317910/ |
| 23:15.14 | levi | http://www.dugway.army.mil/germanvillage/ |
| 23:19.55 | levi | In one night, we burned to death something like 100,000 Japanese civilians in Tokyo. 50 sq. miles of the city were burned. |
| 23:22.00 | levi | Yeah, human beings are wonderful. :P |
| 23:22.26 | elg | a møøse once bit my sister. she didn't even provoke it. |
| 23:22.28 | rsimpkins | levi: Why is it easier for me to tollerate the death of 100,000 people in war time by firebombing than the deliberate hacking to death of 500 people with machetes? |
| 23:23.24 | rsimpkins | Dropping a bomb on a family and killing the kids versus walking in to their home and cutting them in to pieces should shock me equally, but they do not. |
| 23:24.07 | elg | if your question is academic, I think it has to do something with the personalization |
| 23:24.16 | rsimpkins | Maybe I've been watching too much Dexter, and associate myself with thekillers. |
| 23:24.17 | elg | to imagine the one, you have to imagine a person holding the machete. |
| 23:24.57 | elg | and to try to understand the motivations that would get a person with a machete to do X, you imagine yourself holding the machete |
| 23:25.05 | rsimpkins | When you picture it in your head, do you picture what it would look like from the perspective of the victim, or purpatrator? |
| 23:25.59 | levi | I can't decide whether the picture of someone hacked to bits or burning alive is more grisly and unsettling. |
| 23:26.21 | elg | perp, I don't know if that's universal but some hypotheses might be, I've hacked apart meat, legos, and stubborn trees, but I've never had any limbs hacked off, so it's easier to relate |
| 23:27.22 | rsimpkins | The image the press is painting is to focus specifically on the kids. |
| 23:27.40 | rsimpkins | One headline even said something like "Nigeria Baby Slaughter" or something like that. |
| 23:29.13 | levi | Of course they're going to kill the babies too. They couldn't possibly do something like that while still thinking of those they were killing as full human beings, and they're certainly not going to care for babies of the parents they just slaughtered. |
| 23:31.24 | levi | Wow, reading an account of the firebombing of Tokyo is turning my stomach. |
| 23:32.47 | levi | Perhaps 2 million Axis civilians were killed via incindiary warfare. |
| 23:33.17 | levi | http://www.scribd.com/doc/13736277/Mike-Davis-Firebomb |
| 23:34.04 | jsmith | levi: For another account of the same, read Richard Rhodes "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" |
| 23:34.16 | levi | The hacking to bits of children by Nigerians is probably harder to fathom, but no one can kill civilians with more efficiency than the Western War Machine. |
| 23:34.18 | jsmith | levi: It's a healthy 900 pages or so, but a very good read |
| 23:34.45 | levi | I'm not sure I want to read 900 pages on that topic. |
| 23:34.49 | jsmith | levi: And when you realize that *many* more people died from firebombing than from atomic bombs, it changes your perspective a bit |
| 23:35.02 | jsmith | levi: Well, the book is all about the making of the atomic bombs... it really is fascinating |
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