| 00:00.09 | elg | but if I joined ##lols so I could laugh, and nobody posted any links for me to laugh at, that would make me sad. |
| 00:00.29 | blendmaster1024 | well then |
| 00:00.46 | cedwards | elg: sorry my nick doesn't entertain you |
| 00:02.18 | eightyeight | cedwards: you entertain me. don't worry. :) |
| 00:02.19 | elg | it makes me think of a cross between these guys: http://tinyurl.com/yfklzg2 http://tinyurl.com/ylpfaxl |
| 00:03.22 | elg | not to mention I get confused with tensai |
| 00:03.46 | fungus | eek! that was mean. John Edwards is scary. |
| 00:04.43 | eightyeight | i got a chuckle out of his "support" for obama when he fell out of the presidential race |
| 00:05.21 | fungus | lol, that was funny. |
| 00:06.42 | fungus | is listening to: Mamma Mia by ABBA on Gold |
| 00:07.24 | elg | i like a lot of abba covers. haven't yet heard any actual abba that I like. |
| 00:08.21 | fungus | If you like covers, you gotta see/listen to the Mamma Mia! movie/soundtrack |
| 00:11.02 | fungus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9ZdTnJ9X9Y |
| 00:11.32 | eightyeight | that was just horrible |
| 00:12.04 | fungus | or the animated version http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154877 |
| 00:12.36 | elg | fungus: I have heard it. They are not a subset of the set of covers I like. |
| 00:14.04 | elg | i lie. I do like dancing queen ok. |
| 00:15.57 | elg | queues up Abba-esque |
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| 02:34.05 | elg | hrmm. two disks in an lvm vg |
| 02:34.13 | elg | one external sata enclosure |
| 02:34.50 | elg | i could put them in the other desktop and transfer the hundreds of GB of data over wireless (ick) |
| 02:34.53 | elg | or buy another enclosure |
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| 07:56.53 | fozzmoo | yawns |
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| 14:24.44 | goozbach | moring |
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| 15:00.54 | pame010 | hi |
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| 15:48.26 | pashdown | http://peteashdown.org/journal/2010/03/04/its-just-a-name/ |
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| 17:16.22 | levi | elg: You going to ask your Python question here? |
| 17:16.41 | elg | i have not one python questio |
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| 17:17.02 | elg | nor any specific set. I'm just learning python and wondered if anyone wanted to be my sounding board as I do |
| 17:17.12 | sjansen | http://i.imgur.com/kzoxU.jpg |
| 17:17.44 | levi | Aww, no more Daily Show on Hulu. |
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| 17:23.07 | Migs | holy FAT |
| 17:24.16 | sinuhe | Migs: Disgusting, eh? |
| 17:25.00 | Jayce^ | in a "I gotta try that once" kinda way |
| 17:43.04 | sontek | :} |
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| 18:12.20 | Gate | thats known as the heart-attack cake. |
| 18:12.47 | mulicheng | elg: #utahpython |
| 18:13.08 | sontek | elg: we all love python in here |
| 18:13.18 | fozzmoo | looks sontek |
| 18:13.33 | fozzmoo | looks AT sontek |
| 18:14.13 | sontek | fozzmoo: don't lie! You are a closet pythonista! |
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| 18:18.45 | fozzmoo | sontek: I just looked at you. that's all. |
| 18:32.54 | Gate | ruby > python |
| 18:33.08 | sontek | looks at Gate |
| 18:36.05 | Gate | sontek: I have used both for several similar tasks. I have replaced all the python I wrote with ruby now. |
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| 18:59.24 | elg | i'm an old hat at ruby, but this is a python shop |
| 19:00.34 | elg | so i'm learning python. not yet fluent but frmo what i've seen python is similar to ruby in the important ways. perhaps not as elegant, perhaps more capable for some esoteric tasks, but largely in the same class. |
| 19:01.10 | elg | i think the preference for one or the other boils down to subjective concerns (except, is ruby significantly slower? it may be) |
| 19:13.30 | mulicheng | python > ruby |
| 19:13.31 | mulicheng | There |
| 19:19.45 | Gate | limit(python)x->infinity = ruby |
| 19:19.54 | sjansen | Ruby is cleaner and more enjoyable to use than Python. Too bad it's VM sucked so much for so long. |
| 19:20.23 | Gate | yeah, it definitely has its problems |
| 19:20.55 | sjansen | makes an exception for ReXML which deserves a special corner of hell to burn in eternally |
| 19:21.03 | elg | :-) |
| 19:21.14 | elg | but rexml is just a lib, not a core part of the language |
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| 19:33.48 | sjansen | Whatever. All modern languages are equally defined by their syntax and their standard libraries. |
| 19:35.12 | elg | yes, but rexml isn't a standard library. it's just a library. go write a good xml library and the problem disappears (except for entrenched code, but that's life) |
| 19:35.37 | elg | as a pragmatic choice, libraries (standard or not) are an important part of the decision |
| 19:35.46 | elg | as a complaint against a language, not so much. |
| 19:36.01 | elg | unless of course the complaint is that there is no standard library for XML. |
| 19:39.48 | sjansen | You sure about that? Sure looks like a standard library to me. http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib/libdoc/rexml/rdoc/ |
| 19:40.23 | elg | i guess it has been promoted |
| 19:40.33 | elg | carry on, then. |
| 19:41.29 | sjansen | So as I was saying, Matz was nice so we were nice... |
| 19:41.40 | sjansen | Until DHH liberated us from his tyranny. |
| 19:42.34 | elg | nice == tyranny? |
| 19:42.42 | sjansen | Today we realize that it's our birthright to swear like sailors when forced to use Perl or (worse yet) *shudder* Python. |
| 19:43.49 | elg | I think "snakes on a plane" did a decent job of setting the precedent for swearing in the presence of python |
| 19:44.19 | sjansen | The Ruby community was awesome until Rails hijacked it. |
| 19:44.45 | elg | I too mourn for the pre-rails days |
| 19:45.05 | elg | although i find rails useful, but not without (major) flaws |
| 19:45.08 | elg | i do miss that community |
| 19:45.36 | elg | but it raises the question: must all communities collapse as they grow or is it a byproduct of how/why it grew? |
| 19:47.33 | sjansen | It isn't a given that all communities are doomed to collapse. It is, however, true that most communities are vulnerable to powerful personalities. |
| 19:48.12 | elg | i don't know if I'd pin it on DHH so quickly |
| 19:48.27 | sjansen | Or in other words, "You too could hijack Haskell if you act now!" |
| 19:48.30 | elg | I was in the community, I think, as rails began its rise |
| 19:48.55 | elg | I don't remember DHH participating much. I still have very few memories of any email discussions |
| 19:49.14 | elg | his stage was blogs, real life, and rails fora |
| 19:49.58 | elg | it was the rails wannabes that flooded the mailing list and other ruby watering holes that diluted the community and ruined the SNR |
| 19:50.23 | elg | then once it was all about rails, and "ruby" was just part of the name of rails, |
| 19:50.29 | elg | dhh stepped in to claim his kingship |
| 19:54.26 | elg | one might draw rough parallels between republicans and palin or beck or limbaugh or ... but that would be far too inflammatory and inaccurate not to mention insulting to someone(s) somewhere |
| 19:54.39 | elg | although, ruby is a red gem. that can't be a coincidence. |
| 20:13.48 | fozzmoo | Perl was great until people started thinking packages could be objects. |
| 20:13.52 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
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| 21:21.37 | elg | she's actual size but she seems much bigger to me |
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| 21:38.45 | mulicheng | What does this mean: kernel: DMA: Out of SW-IOMMU space for 16384 bytes at device..... |
| 21:39.03 | mulicheng | I noticed these repeated many times in my /var/log/messages |
| 21:39.15 | mulicheng | started looking around when I can't write to my /tmp folder |
| 21:41.36 | Gate | perhaps not enough RAM left? |
| 21:42.03 | sjansen | Me is starting to appreciate immutable data more. |
| 21:44.32 | elg | is wishing Me was immutable |
| 21:44.59 | elg | then every /me would be accomplished by cloning Meself |
| 21:45.05 | elg | which would give me a lot more free time. |
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| 21:45.17 | Gate | immutability isn't all its cracked up to be. Ends up cloning many things. |
| 21:46.19 | elg | if you're implying a performance problem, there are very nifty ways around that. |
| 21:46.25 | elg | see clojure |
| 21:46.54 | elg | otherwise it's a rather tautological argument. |
| 21:47.10 | elg | sjansen isn't all he's cracked up to be. Ends up breathing a lot of air. |
| 21:47.22 | elg | unless, maybe, he's a bot. |
| 21:47.45 | sjansen | Gate: Mutability isn't all it's cracked up to be. Ends up complicating many algorithms. |
| 21:47.53 | Gate | :) |
| 21:48.21 | elg | complicating algorithms could be more or less objectively bad. cloning things not so much. |
| 21:48.37 | goozbach | leekspin.com |
| 21:48.41 | goozbach | SFW |
| 21:49.09 | Gate | elg: cloning can be. I have seen numerous chained operations wich cloned data crash a system |
| 21:49.31 | Gate | it was handheld development and the dev didn't know what they were doing at the time, but that is beside the point. |
| 21:49.45 | elg | that doesn't imply cloning is bad |
| 21:49.58 | Gate | no, it doesn't. |
| 21:50.01 | elg | i've seen programs crash with "stack overflow". that doesn't mean functions or recursion are bad. |
| 21:50.07 | Gate | Cloning can be *very* useful |
| 21:52.17 | elg | so cloning can be useful but immutability isn't awesome because it leads to cloning |
| 21:52.38 | Gate | cloning can also be cumbersome. |
| 21:52.53 | sjansen | Cloning doesn't immediately follow from immutability. If you would've created a new object anyway, it's kinda hard to call that a "clone". |
| 21:53.12 | Gate | Have I made a sigle absolute statement? It has its uses :) |
| 21:53.42 | sjansen | Gate: You are an uncultured heathen! |
| 21:53.46 | sjansen | ~vanquish Gate |
| 21:53.53 | goozbach | *BELCH!* |
| 21:54.00 | goozbach | *scratch* |
| 21:54.08 | goozbach | who you calling uncultured!? |
| 21:54.10 | Gate | sjansen: uncultured heathen? |
| 21:54.36 | sjansen | Gate: Blasphemer! |
| 21:54.43 | Gate | cat /dev/zeros > sjansen |
| 21:55.02 | sjansen | declares Gate a terrorist |
| 21:55.07 | Gate | suddenly wonders if that would work like he expects |
| 21:56.51 | Gate | sjansen | /dev/null |
| 21:56.53 | Gate | muahahaha |
| 21:57.27 | toofer | Gate: I think you want 'dd if=/dev/zero of=sjansen' |
| 21:57.32 | fungus | bash: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 21:58.08 | Gate | see, not even a black hole wants to listen to him! |
| 21:58.25 | sjansen | ~travolta Gate |
| 21:58.26 | ibot | ACTION replaces Gate with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 21:59.48 | sjansen | accuses Gate of being so uncultured he probably doesn't even get the reference |
| 22:00.31 | sjansen | declares himself winner and still champion |
| 22:00.42 | Gate | sjansen: I think I should give you a few pointers. |
| 22:01.01 | Gate | 0x00000001 0xFFDDAA10 |
| 22:01.24 | Gate | sigh. IRC. Multiplayer notepad. |
| 22:04.21 | sjansen | ~console Gate |
| 22:04.22 | ibot | ACTION gives Gate the consolation moose |
| 22:04.39 | Gate | wow. |
| 22:06.36 | mulicheng | Gate: I got lots of RAM. |
| 22:06.40 | mulicheng | I think I have a hard disk issue. |
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| 22:27.13 | dennis_ubixum | So my root partition was giving all sorts of errors about a read-only file system. |
| 22:27.20 | dennis_ubixum | and I couldn't change it back to rw |
| 22:27.24 | dennis_ubixum | so I rebooted, |
| 22:27.39 | dennis_ubixum | had to manually run fsck and let it fix lots of lost inodes. |
| 22:27.46 | dennis_ubixum | Then a reboot and I"m back up. |
| 22:28.00 | dennis_ubixum | Hopefully I don't need a new hard drive. |
| 22:29.36 | moegreen | is anybody active that can help me re-install my grub? |
| 22:31.25 | Gate | hi moegreen |
| 22:31.30 | moegreen | hey dude |
| 22:31.38 | Gate | can you boot in at all or do yo have a liveCD? |
| 22:31.52 | moegreen | http://pastebin.com/VXSM7Wku |
| 22:32.00 | moegreen | thats what im getting from my live cd terminal |
| 22:33.42 | moegreen | by the way im using ubuntu if that helps |
| 22:39.45 | Gate | try udo grub-install --root-directory=/media/d569edcb-2b1e-4e69-a98d-a12ba36531dd /dev/sda |
| 22:40.07 | Gate | if you don't mind letting GRUB take the whole MBR |
| 22:40.15 | Gate | which is the normal setup |
| 22:40.26 | moegreen | wow i think that worked...1 sec while i check |
| 22:43.20 | moegreen | my grub came up and the ubuntu loading window but now i just got black screen?? |
| 22:44.09 | moegreen | my hdd isnt even loading anymore or anything... should i go back into the live cd? |
| 22:44.33 | Gate | hm yeah, I would. |
| 22:44.47 | moegreen | k 1 sec |
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| 22:47.15 | moegreen | ok im back in |
| 22:47.25 | moegreen | what should i try now? |
| 22:47.48 | Gate | hm, I am trying to remember, it has been a long time since I had to do a manual grub install |
| 22:48.07 | Gate | I have a feeling your --root-directory parameter is wrong |
| 22:48.48 | moegreen | my filesystem is mounted now. |
| 22:51.29 | moegreen | do you need me to pastebin anything so you can see? |
| 22:51.35 | Gate | no, hold on |
| 22:52.10 | Gate | argh, all my notes are offline at the moment |
| 22:53.30 | Gate | try adding /boot to the end of the --root-directory parameter |
| 22:53.33 | Gate | not sure about that |
| 22:53.33 | moegreen | im starting to think its not my grub anymore if i got the gui to choose which os to load and i get the ubuntu loading screen but then just blackness. |
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| 22:53.41 | moegreen | k ill try that |
| 22:53.51 | Gate | wait |
| 22:54.06 | Gate | have you tried CTRL-ALT-F1 when you get the black screen? |
| 22:54.25 | Gate | it might be gdm or xwindows that is blowing up |
| 22:55.08 | moegreen | thats a good point ill try that |
| 22:56.31 | moegreen | just rebooted and noticed on my grub menu that vista and xp are listed..i dont even have those installed anywhere on any drives anymore |
| 22:56.56 | Gate | ... |
| 22:57.06 | Gate | when you do the grub install, add a --recheck |
| 22:57.55 | moegreen | ill go back into the live cd because f1 didnt do anything |
| 22:58.11 | Gate | k |
| 22:58.22 | moegreen | --recheck at the end of the command? |
| 22:58.25 | Gate | yeah |
| 22:58.27 | moegreen | k |
| 22:58.34 | Gate | it will rescan the drives for OSes |
| 22:58.40 | Gate | (IIRC) |
| 23:02.37 | moegreen | ok i added the recheck.. should i look at the /boot/grub/device.map 1st or just reboot and see if it works now? |
| 23:03.24 | moegreen | nevermind it just shows my 1 drive.. lol |
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| 23:17.24 | moegreen | the recheck didnt work cause it still shows xp and vista :) |
| 23:17.30 | moegreen | and it still just sat at black screen |
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