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| 00:24.55 | Gate | how can coffee smell so bad and taste even worse still? the questions are mutually reductible. |
| 00:26.53 | elg | i love the smell of coffee. well, brewed coffee can sometimes smell nasty but the roasted beans |
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| 05:26.23 | bonez2046 | I am ready to dump my efax.com account.. but I want to make sure there's a linux/asterix/trixbox/et al solution before I do.. are any of you running FOIP for your business? |
| 05:36.28 | tristanbob | bonez2046, better off staying with outsourced fax service. |
| 05:36.39 | bonez2046 | tristanbob: why is that? |
| 05:37.33 | bonez2046 | does that suggest that outsourced fax service, like that provided by efax.com is really far and away better than anything I could run locally? is there no way to get faxing done other than a big outsourced service? |
| 05:37.53 | tristanbob | fax is not considered reliable with VoIP. It does work, but everyone says not to rely on it. If you are looking to save money, there are cheaper fax service providers. |
| 05:38.05 | fozzmoo | hylafax. :) |
| 05:38.12 | tristanbob | see bonez2046, simply talking about fax made jsmith-away go away |
| 05:38.16 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 05:43.36 | tristanbob | bonez2046, http://www.soft-switch.org/foip.html |
| 05:44.09 | bonez2046 | does hylafax work? do you use it foozmoo? |
| 06:07.28 | fozzmoo | bonez2046: Yes, I've used it quite a bit. It's nice, but you need to have an analog line coming in. |
| 06:07.40 | fozzmoo | Well, I don't know that for sure. I don't know what else it'll work with. |
| 06:07.45 | fozzmoo | I've only used it with POTS lines. |
| 06:08.19 | bonez2046 | analog line? I want to escape from anything analog.. I want to have a pure digital set up.. |
| 06:08.38 | bonez2046 | I mean, I have efax now and it does WORK over my VOIP connection through vonage.. |
| 06:08.52 | bonez2046 | despite what I read.. FOIP does indeed work over VOIP.. |
| 06:17.04 | bonez2046 | anyway, thanks for the suggestions |
| 06:22.35 | bonez2046 | later |
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| 17:00.31 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 17:00.32 | ibot | gives tristanbob__ an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending tristanbob__ to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 17:00.44 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | Freenode supports SSL: http://is.gd/7olFR |
| 17:02.03 | tristanbob__ | thanks sjansen |
| 17:28.13 | maquis | ~lart sjansen |
| 17:28.13 | ibot | executes killall -KILL sjansen |
| 17:28.25 | sjansen | ~defend sjansen |
| 17:28.26 | ibot | ACTION jumps in front of sjansen, taking all insults, violence and anything else negative thrown toward sjansen so that sjansen may live on in peace and quiet |
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| 18:19.16 | elg | i love working here. http://pastie.org/private/rrze6il1q79fkf50sjiug |
| 18:21.19 | tensai | excuse me while I wipe the sarcasm off my monitor |
| 18:21.56 | levi | Anyone looking for a job? http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2137 |
| 18:25.43 | levi | elg: Your code already *IS* in databases. What do they think a VCS is? And instead of calling eval, you just pull from the VCS and call the interpreter. :) |
| 18:26.03 | elg | :) someone did say that in a comment |
| 18:27.01 | elg | that's an awesome job posting |
| 18:27.41 | levi | Bogus garbage always has the coolest names. ;) |
| 18:28.31 | maquis | "vegetarian minimum health standard is required" |
| 18:28.50 | maquis | "flexible attitude with regards to working hours" <-- amazon should mention that part more often :) |
| 18:29.44 | levi | Calling vegetarianism a health standard is kind of funny. I mean, you can truthfully call yourself vegetarian and eat nothing but non-meat junk food. |
| 18:30.08 | maquis | levi: true |
| 18:30.12 | maquis | pasta is vegetarian |
| 18:30.15 | maquis | as is cheese |
| 18:30.24 | maquis | so, i could eat mac & cheese every day |
| 18:30.25 | levi | And cheez-its, most likely. |
| 18:30.38 | maquis | hmmm... mac and cheese every day doesn't sound too bad, actually |
| 18:30.43 | levi | Candy bars. Soda pop. |
| 18:31.19 | maquis | elg: what class of problems can you solve by having code in the db that you can't solve in any other way? |
| 18:31.45 | elg | maquis: not a single one |
| 18:31.55 | maquis | elg: but... it says... :P |
| 18:32.15 | elg | unless you believe that bit about equivalence with version control |
| 18:33.47 | maquis | elg: but... in a db, how are you going to keep past revisions? |
| 18:34.03 | elg | a new table for each file? |
| 18:34.15 | maquis | or do you always insert into the db when you make a change, and then always select the latest version? |
| 18:34.41 | maquis | wow... that could really fill up your db pretty quick with itsy little changes |
| 18:35.13 | tensai | maquis: I've been trying to perfect a homemade mac & cheese that takes less time than the box. making a cheese sauce while the pasta boils is actually not hard. |
| 18:35.24 | tensai | my kids love it too |
| 18:35.30 | maquis | tensai: i've tried a lot of homemade mac & cheeses |
| 18:35.36 | maquis | unfortunately, i prefer the boxed kind |
| 18:35.44 | levi | It's a very poor fit for a SQL database, which is why VCSs are pretty much always custom database. |
| 18:35.58 | tensai | maquis: but the boxed stuff doesn't have aged parmesan |
| 18:36.00 | elg | tensai: got a recipe? |
| 18:36.05 | maquis | tensai: i know |
| 18:36.16 | maquis | my mom has a 4-cheese mac & cheese that she makes |
| 18:36.20 | maquis | and i like kraft better |
| 18:36.21 | levi | I hate that the term 'database' is now assumed to mean a SQL relational database. |
| 18:36.27 | tensai | elg: not written down. step 1, make roux. step 2, add cheese. |
| 18:36.29 | elg | my wife turns her nose up at the boxed stuff and my kids would love you forever if you have an easy but wife-approved recipe. |
| 18:36.45 | maquis | granted, i also like american cheese in certain situations over cheddar |
| 18:36.53 | elg | cheddar? any melting technique or do you just deal with the graininess? |
| 18:36.54 | maquis | there's something about fake cheese... |
| 18:36.59 | tensai | elg: how about this, I'll make it for lunch today and document |
| 18:37.08 | levi | I kind of like the Kraft fake-cheese stuff. Probably the fact that it's largely butter. |
| 18:37.13 | tensai | maquis: ... that makes you gag |
| 18:38.13 | tensai | elg: for the kids I typically leave out the roasted peppers, mushrooms, onions. but I like it that way. |
| 18:38.15 | maquis | levi: true |
| 18:38.35 | maquis | tensai: ok... that part sounds good... but my hubby wouldn't eat it if i put 'shrooms in |
| 18:38.36 | levi | I pretty much always hate American cheese, though. |
| 18:38.54 | maquis | he won't touch anything with 'shrooms |
| 18:39.02 | maquis | which makes me sad because i *love* shrooms |
| 18:39.06 | levi | I don't care if it melts better, it's nasty stuff. |
| 18:39.08 | elg | isn't that odd for a super big frog? |
| 18:39.15 | elg | frogs and mushrooms cohabitate |
| 18:39.19 | maquis | elg: yeah... |
| 18:48.33 | elg | wow, |
| 18:48.35 | elg | goto *foo; |
| 18:48.44 | elg | valid C with GCC extensions |
| 18:48.45 | elg | where |
| 18:48.52 | elg | void *foo = &&LABEL; |
| 18:49.02 | elg | LABEL being a jump label |
| 18:49.34 | elg | doing this gives 17% performance improvement in python's inner loop. (due to not defeating branch prediction) |
| 18:50.02 | elg | http://pycon.blip.tv/file/3259830/ |
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| 18:50.33 | elg | abt 10 minutes in |
| 18:50.53 | elg | (incidentally, that's my coworker) |
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| 19:28.25 | elg | ~rlart |
| 19:28.25 | ibot | gives brasto a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 20:02.08 | tensai | elg: mac & cheese was great. comments from the kids included "bite daddy?", "this tastes great", "preston should try this" and "can I have some more?" |
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| 20:03.27 | tensai | elg: 1 C uncooked pasta. boil water and cook according to package. meanwhile, make roux with 1 T butter + 1 T flour. Add 1/2 C milk. When smooth add 1/3-1/2 C grated cheese. Add cooked pasta to cheese sauce. |
| 20:03.33 | tensai | took about 15 minutes start to finish |
| 20:12.06 | sjansen | ~lart copy and paste |
| 20:12.06 | ibot | turns copy and paste into a lifesized tux doll |
| 20:21.16 | tensai | sjansen: you should get a gen 1 iphone. no copy and paste to annoy you. |
| 20:21.48 | fozzmoo | is cold! |
| 20:31.13 | elg | fozzmoo: put some pants on |
| 20:33.13 | elg | tensai: thanks, we'll give it a try |
| 20:33.26 | tensai | elg: 5 flats? well now who thought that would be a good idea? |
| 20:34.14 | elg | that's another thing - these are full of gratuitous key changes. who ever decided key changes are so awesome that every piece performed in church must have at least 3? |
| 20:34.22 | tensai | elg: oh and salt the cheese sauce to taste |
| 20:35.36 | elg | (i actually don't struggle technically with up to 5 flats or sharps or key changes. I think gratuitous key changes sound amateur though) |
| 20:36.55 | jsmith | agrees with elg |
| 20:37.45 | elg | which is ironic because I think more often than not they're put there to make the music seem "harder". as if intimidating the performer makes them feel better about themselves when they nail it |
| 20:38.07 | elg | so all the super-amateur listeners can ooh and ahh about how there was a key change |
| 20:41.39 | RyanE | elg: you ever see 'Spamalot'? |
| 20:42.04 | fozzmoo | elg: Do not knock Rush, man. |
| 20:42.07 | elg | the scene from monty python and the holy grail? |
| 20:42.15 | fozzmoo | Oh wait. They do time signature changes, not key changes. |
| 20:42.26 | elg | oh no that was pramalot ;-) |
| 20:42.41 | RyanE | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Song_That_Goes_Like_This |
| 20:42.58 | elg | gratuitous time signature changes are probably the same thing as a matter of principle, but they tend to be (A) actually difficult instead of just seemingly so, and (B) really cool sounding |
| 20:43.06 | elg | key changes can sound cool, they just usually don't. |
| 20:43.14 | fozzmoo | http://failbooking.com/2010/02/23/funny-facebook-fails-it-is-you/ |
| 20:43.14 | elg | time signature changes can sound awful, but they usually don't |
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| 20:47.13 | Gate | I'll sing it in your face, while we both embrace, and then, we change, the kee-EEEY! |
| 20:52.31 | fozzmoo | Gate++ |
| 20:54.22 | sjansen | http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/24/rhode.island.teachers/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=Google+Reader |
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| 21:02.11 | romanovic | haha |
| 21:02.54 | romanovic | sjansen: it says they couldn't agree on a payrate. I think they were fired because they couldn't work as a team |
| 21:05.33 | romanovic | "There's no room for people who can't act as a team on my team" |
| 21:06.30 | romanovic | "Hello security, all the teachers have been fired. Escort them from the premises, and do it as a team." |
| 21:08.29 | elg | "We have the most transient population in this state. Nobody comes close to us. So when they say that 50 percent of the people graduate, a very high percentage of our students leave our school. They return. They leave again. They go back to other countries," he said |
| 21:08.42 | elg | very true. I walked the streets of central falls for 6 months |
| 21:08.50 | elg | (it's 1 square mile, btw) |
| 21:09.43 | elg | mostly guatemala, puerto rico, and peru |
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| 21:22.31 | tensai | elg: I have a much harder time with flats than sharps. I'll take 5 sharps over 5 flats any day. |
| 21:23.24 | brasto | checks the room out, having heard his name only to find he was randomly chosen for an rlart, and for a 'free copy of windows' at that... |
| 21:25.45 | elg | ~lart brasto |
| 21:25.45 | ibot | whacks brasto upside the head |
| 21:28.30 | harleypig | http://toki-woki.net/p/scroll-clock/ |
| 21:38.00 | sjansen | D'oh. thesaurus.com is down :-( |
| 21:44.07 | elg | how you gonna sound smart now, eh? |
| 21:44.38 | harleypig | I thought sjansen was a chatterbot ... |
| 21:44.49 | harleypig | errr ... chatbot |
| 21:44.54 | sjansen | I no sound smart never. |
| 21:45.23 | sjansen | Now I no able name functions and variables neither. |
| 21:48.22 | tensai | sjansen: just name them after items on your desk. int stapler(char *mug, int phone); |
| 22:21.44 | sjansen | High end Cisco routers are built on Linux KVM?! How did I miss this news? |
| 22:21.46 | sjansen | http://www.colinmcnamara.com/cisco-is-using-linux-virtualization-and-40-core-cpus-for-its-next-generation-routers/ |
| 22:24.53 | jsmith | sjansen: The date on that article is 2008 |
| 22:25.02 | sjansen | I know! |
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| 23:09.50 | sjansen | http://www.slate.com/id/2245781/ |
| 23:12.00 | sinuhe | Ugh 16th Amendment. |
| 23:24.20 | fozzmoo | high CORPORATE taxes reduce GDP |
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| 23:52.47 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Citation Needed |
| 23:54.05 | sjansen | http://www.asymptosis.com/government-ba-2.html |