| 00:00.25 | fozzmoo | harleypig: That'd be cool. |
| 00:01.52 | fozzmoo | tensai: I'll be uploading stuff soon. |
| 00:02.12 | fozzmoo | like XViD and MP4 versions. |
| 00:05.42 | goozbach | harleypig: only if it's inside a qemu guest you suspend |
| 00:05.48 | goozbach | or other virt tech |
| 00:07.54 | harleypig | goozbach: yeah, no ... I'm just thinking about when my server dies, or I have to reboot my laptop |
| 00:17.01 | tensai | harleypig: seems to me that elg tried to do that a while back. can't recall the outcome. |
| 00:18.21 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (~timr@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker) |
| 00:18.21 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 00:18.56 | harleypig | tensai: I remember someone doing it, but no specifics. |
| 00:19.13 | *** join/#utah tiwula (~lane@63.225.228.210) |
| 00:21.48 | Gate | I am officially being bent over my desk by Qwest. |
| 00:22.22 | harleypig | Gate: Did they buy you dinner first, or is this a home invasion invasion? |
| 00:22.34 | Gate | invasion |
| 00:22.39 | Gate | damn monopoly |
| 00:22.56 | harleypig | magic jack has dsl I think ... |
| 00:23.13 | harleypig | :ls |
| 00:23.16 | Gate | I just moved, they are now charging me more for 3 than I was originally paying for 7 |
| 00:23.18 | harleypig | err ... ywah |
| 00:23.31 | harleypig | lines? |
| 00:23.41 | harleypig | or transfer? |
| 00:23.43 | Gate | 3M vs. 7M DSL |
| 00:24.02 | harleypig | wow ... they're not even being gentle about it are they |
| 00:24.06 | Gate | no. |
| 00:24.22 | harleypig | let me know when the ball gag comes into play |
| 00:24.30 | Gate | add on the connect fee and its all fun for them |
| 00:25.16 | fungus | I just switched to Comcast. 20M vs 3M for the same price as Qwest DSL |
| 00:25.48 | fungus | i'm not a fan of Comcast, but that 3M DSL was way too slow for me. |
| 00:25.58 | harleypig | fungus: just wait ... comcast'll have you bent over a household item soon. |
| 00:26.16 | Gate | yeah, I am checking with Comcast now, but I don't think they offer services around here, except through another company |
| 00:26.19 | fungus | No doubt, but I can take it if they can give me faster speeds |
| 00:26.27 | harleypig | :D |
| 00:26.30 | Gate | who want to charge me an extra $20 for a damned static IP |
| 00:26.37 | fungus | I'm already pretty loose from Qwest... |
| 00:26.40 | harleypig | So, the higher speed is the lube? |
| 00:27.16 | fungus | Gate, choose Xmission as your ISP on Qwest DSL |
| 00:27.36 | Gate | fungus: I am already there |
| 00:27.41 | Gate | I LOVE Xmission |
| 00:27.51 | fungus | suddenly feels like an ISP prostitute |
| 00:28.02 | Gate | but I think I might reach through the phone and strangle the next Qwest rep who I talk to |
| 00:28.08 | Gate | hahaha |
| 00:28.42 | Gate | Xmission rocks, but I don't know how much longer I can or will put up with Qwest to keep them. |
| 00:28.43 | fungus | Good thing about Q+X is once you are done getting Qwest DSL setup, you don't have to deal with them much ever again |
| 00:28.51 | Gate | yes, I do. |
| 00:28.53 | Gate | constantly. |
| 00:29.05 | Gate | their damned line keeps going down. |
| 00:29.24 | fungus | I've been on Q+other ISP for 13 years and only have problems when I contact Qwest to make changes. |
| 00:29.31 | fungus | Which was very rare. |
| 00:30.10 | fungus | But Q screws up every order/change I request. |
| 00:30.42 | Gate | well, Qwest's constant raising of prices, adding fees for a line that keeps dying is really not worth it |
| 00:31.10 | fungus | Comcast is coming in on Saturday, I'll keep both for a few months, just to make sure... |
| 00:31.54 | Gate | I have put in a note with another company in town that does wireless, but they use Qwests backbone and they are almost as bad by reputation |
| 00:32.40 | *** join/#utah Zelut_ (~christer@unaffiliated/zelut) |
| 00:32.49 | fozzmoo | Gate: I feel your pain. |
| 00:33.06 | fozzmoo | And Qwest's FTTN is a frickin' joke. |
| 00:34.07 | Gate | at this point I am seriously wondering about having a fiber line put to my house, of course, it would be Qwest that does it... |
| 00:35.30 | keldwud | putting up with qwest w/ xmission > putting up with comcast |
| 00:35.38 | keldwud | are there any other choices in utah? srsly |
| 00:35.39 | fungus | I've been holding out for Qwest fiber for quite a whole, hoping they would ever become available. |
| 00:35.39 | Gate | that is what I understand |
| 00:35.39 | Zelut | keldwud: +1 |
| 00:35.50 | keldwud | thanks, zelut :) |
| 00:36.05 | Zelut | keldwud: I have _crap_ qwest, but at least I have xmission as my ISP. |
| 00:36.08 | Gate | keldwud: even more limited by the fact that I am in Saint George |
| 00:36.21 | keldwud | I was actually willing to sacrifice speed in order to not have to deal with comcast |
| 00:36.37 | Gate | Zelut: I have been explaining that not even Xmisison is going to keep me putting up with Qwest's crap |
| 00:36.48 | keldwud | unless you have access to UTOPIA, I'd recommend not dealing with comcast |
| 00:36.56 | Gate | they have just pulled too much over the last few weeks |
| 00:37.08 | keldwud | qwest service is bad when it goes out, but I never had any billing problems with them because I had xmission watching my back |
| 00:37.09 | Zelut | used to have Utopia. |
| 00:37.10 | Gate | keldwud: UTOPIA has Xmission, don't they? |
| 00:37.15 | keldwud | gate, yes. |
| 00:37.33 | fungus | Zelut, why not anymore? |
| 00:37.50 | keldwud | with comcast, you don't have anyone watching your back and the bill can change whenever they damn well please. you have to spend 10-20 hours per month with comcast just to keep your bill normal |
| 00:38.30 | keldwud | then when the promotional deals end, your bill either doubles or triples and you have to spend another 10 hours with account retention just so you can get the bill back to what it was before |
| 00:38.36 | Zelut | I just ran a test: 1.45Mb/s down. 0.53Mb/s up. |
| 00:38.37 | Gate | and then there are little things like forged disconnect packets to worry about |
| 00:38.47 | Zelut | fungus: I moved from Orem to Farmington. |
| 00:38.47 | fungus | If I ever move again in my life, it will be to a Utopia location. |
| 00:39.08 | fungus | Zelut, bummer. Move back. :) |
| 00:39.10 | keldwud | my dream was that utopia would open up more competition in utah |
| 00:39.14 | keldwud | :( |
| 00:39.15 | Gate | Zelut: I am getting better than taht over my Verizon phone |
| 00:39.34 | Zelut | Gate: I know! I got getter than that over my Sprint data connection. It's _pathetic_ |
| 00:39.36 | keldwud | I'm thinking of just skipping all the landline broadband and going with wireless |
| 00:39.43 | harleypig | fungus: spanish fork has a good network setup |
| 00:39.58 | keldwud | either a nokia 3g netbook or a nexus one, then tether that to my computer |
| 00:40.22 | Gate | keldwud: that is the company I am talking to, they have a wireless solution and I can see their main towers from my new bedroom window |
| 00:40.40 | Gate | ah, I misunderstood |
| 00:40.41 | Zelut | fungus: as much as I miss Utopia, I don't think you could *pay* me to live in happy valley again. |
| 00:40.42 | keldwud | as long as I can avoid comcast, verizon, at&t and qwest and still get highspeed broadband, I'm a happy camper |
| 00:40.45 | fungus | Spanish Fork... No thanks. I just need to move to Murray to get Utopia. Don't have to suffer that much. |
| 00:40.58 | fungus | Zelut, rofl. you got a point. |
| 00:41.14 | harleypig | fungus: hey! SF is in Utah County, but not of Utah county. |
| 00:41.18 | keldwud | gate, really? which company? |
| 00:41.28 | Gate | InfoWest |
| 00:41.36 | fungus | There is nothing in SF. It's a ghost town. |
| 00:41.42 | harleypig | *blink* |
| 00:41.56 | Gate | they are primarily Washington/Iron counties, I think |
| 00:41.58 | Zelut | there really should be more providers. more competition breeds more corporate responsibility, if you ask me. |
| 00:42.24 | keldwud | we're screwed along the wasatch front, aren't we? qwest owns all the phone/dsl infrastructure and comcast owns all the cable. it would be impossible to develop an infrastructure that they did not monopolize |
| 00:42.26 | Gate | Zelut: do I hear the basis of a free market |
| 00:42.39 | keldwud | I mean, look at what happened to Utopia. growth got stunted |
| 00:42.39 | harleypig | http://xrl.in/4j5q |
| 00:42.53 | Zelut | Gate: too bad we don't have one. I'd really like to try it out someday. |
| 00:43.08 | keldwud | zelut, it would be almost impossible to have more providers |
| 00:43.16 | Gate | Zelut: too true... |
| 00:43.26 | keldwud | unless the infrastructure was broken up and sold to other entities |
| 00:43.48 | keldwud | but then you'd have the "we're going to charge you to cross our network" type long distance sort of fees |
| 00:44.05 | keldwud | I dunno what i'm talking about, actually. I'm just making it up as I go |
| 00:44.11 | Zelut | keldwud: in other countries the law requires that infrastructure be leased to internet service providers, which has resulted in more features and lower prices. |
| 00:44.17 | fungus | keldwud, that thought only applies to POTS lines and Cable lines. Think about *new* lines. |
| 00:44.25 | fungus | Utopia = new lines. |
| 00:44.46 | keldwud | new lines takes so much money, though |
| 00:44.57 | keldwud | also, utopia was stifled |
| 00:44.58 | fungus | True, but in the very long term, there is money to be made |
| 00:45.11 | fungus | problem is crappy gov't didn't see the very long term |
| 00:45.17 | keldwud | so are we all going to get together and start digging ditches and sell broadband? ;) |
| 00:45.30 | keldwud | it's all about the wireless |
| 00:45.30 | fungus | Maybe we need Google to come in and dig their own ditches w/o gov't money |
| 00:45.35 | Gate | keldwud: if not us, then who? |
| 00:45.47 | Zelut | plus, all of our current infrastructure was built using government grants and other funds. why shouldn't it be available to any providers? |
| 00:45.53 | keldwud | we would need tens of millions of start-up |
| 00:46.14 | keldwud | and a stamp of approval and govmnt okay from every municipality we cross |
| 00:46.29 | Gate | keldwud: find a billionaire who is pissed at qwest too |
| 00:46.33 | Zelut | I would *so* dig the ditch required to run fiber to my house. point me to the shovel. |
| 00:46.43 | keldwud | the washington lobbyists would have us upside down and living on the streets quicker than you could bat your eyes |
| 00:46.44 | fungus | I don't think gov't would have a problem unless it costs them money |
| 00:46.50 | Gate | Zelut: hear hear |
| 00:46.56 | keldwud | we'd also need lobbyists |
| 00:47.05 | keldwud | and congress members in our pockets |
| 00:47.08 | Gate | fungus: governments ALWAYS piss and moan |
| 00:47.18 | tensai | I'm excited to see how this google fiber network pans out, whether it will influence anybody |
| 00:47.40 | keldwud | comcast and qwest need to protect their right to the pursuit of happiness as granted to them by the declaration of independence and the 14th amendment |
| 00:47.40 | Zelut | Utopia would have done much better if it weren't for Qworst and Comcrap lobbyists and their envelopes 'o cash. |
| 00:47.54 | Gate | That was announced a few days ago yes? I haven't had a chance to see what they are up to. |
| 00:48.24 | keldwud | wait, wut? google fiber? |
| 00:48.26 | keldwud | link plz? |
| 00:48.40 | harleypig | http://xrl.in/4j5q |
| 00:48.41 | fungus | Gate, it's just a pre-alpha probe for interest kind of thing so far. |
| 00:48.53 | Zelut | someone suggested recently that we write our representatives re: google fiber. unless it comes with an envelope of cash, I don't think they care. |
| 00:48.57 | fungus | http://www.google.com/appserve/fiberrfi |
| 00:49.19 | keldwud | I dunno, utopia proves that there is an interest and a demand out here |
| 00:49.29 | Gate | Zelut: election year |
| 00:49.47 | keldwud | lol. damnit harleypig. I thought that was the link I was looking for |
| 00:49.53 | fungus | But Utopia requires City Gov't money. Google just needs City approval, not money. |
| 00:49.59 | Zelut | Gate: empty promises are made during election years. results are made with cash "campaign contributions" |
| 00:50.00 | harleypig | keldwud: :> You're welcome |
| 00:50.17 | Gate | Suddenly Benett is pretending to be conservative ;) |
| 00:50.25 | fungus | ~bennet-- |
| 00:50.29 | fungus | ~hatch-- |
| 00:50.34 | Gate | damnit |
| 00:50.52 | keldwud | google could easily access utopia |
| 00:51.01 | Zelut | no karma for state officials? fix the bot |
| 00:52.19 | keldwud | so all we need is a mayor or governor to fill out and send an RFI to google |
| 00:52.20 | keldwud | hmm |
| 00:52.37 | keldwud | that wouldn't be too difficult to pull of in *some* cities |
| 00:52.38 | unum | keldwud: so you want google to be your isp on utopia? |
| 00:52.54 | keldwud | unum, anybody but comcast or qwest |
| 00:53.26 | unum | keldwud: why not xmission? |
| 00:53.36 | keldwud | I <3 xmission |
| 00:53.44 | keldwud | I'm not in UTOPIA territory |
| 00:53.57 | zzqa | google is wanting to do (in essence) what utopia is doing |
| 00:54.00 | Zelut | I'd mostly be interested in the speed with Google's fiber. |
| 00:54.02 | keldwud | my hope would be that google entering the market here would help expand the fiberoptic network |
| 00:54.06 | zzqa | they want to provide a fat pipe |
| 00:54.10 | unum | then it doesn't really matter to you if google uses UTOPIA or not |
| 00:54.32 | zzqa | and I'm sure that XM and all of the other ISPs that are on utopia now would be on a google fiber network if it was anywhere in Utah |
| 00:54.40 | keldwud | unum, I think it *does* matter, because utopia as pretty much reached it's limit of expansion due to politics |
| 00:54.48 | keldwud | with google in the market, that could easily expand |
| 00:55.01 | zzqa | and google wants a 1gbit pipe to every home, not 20-100mbit to every home and 100mbit+ to every business |
| 00:55.08 | zzqa | *every home and business |
| 00:55.09 | unum | keldwud: maybe I don't understand what you meen by "google could access UTOPIA" |
| 00:55.09 | keldwud | because comcast and qwest don't have the resources to keep google out |
| 00:55.13 | Gate | there is supposed to be UTOPIA in one of the smaller cities around SGU |
| 00:55.25 | unum | do you want google to buy UTOPIA |
| 00:55.26 | Gate | but the bastards at the SG city don't seem interested |
| 00:55.40 | unum | or do you want them to just run fiber optic into other cities |
| 00:55.43 | Gate | .... Google already has too much of my data |
| 00:55.51 | unum | that don't already have utopia.... |
| 00:55.55 | zzqa | I highly doubt anyone would want to buy utopia, it is soooo far in the red |
| 00:55.56 | keldwud | unum, I'm not sure. see my previous statement about "I dunno what i'm talking about, actually. I'm just making it up as I go" ;) |
| 00:56.21 | zzqa | but more fiber in utah would be awesome, I vote for Ogden or SLC |
| 00:56.25 | keldwud | I want more fiber in utah |
| 00:56.44 | keldwud | I don't know if it would take google purchasing utopia or just expanding from there |
| 00:56.47 | Zelut | I vote for <wherever I live> |
| 00:57.18 | unum | from where? |
| 00:57.20 | keldwud | either way, we have until March 26th to get our municipalities to send google an RFI |
| 00:57.35 | keldwud | expanding from the utopia fiber |
| 00:58.07 | unum | I don't know that it works that way |
| 00:58.14 | unum | I guess I don't know that it doesn't..... |
| 00:58.54 | unum | and of course UTOPIA is in the red, they just bought a lot of fiber |
| 00:58.56 | keldwud | I don't know, either, actually |
| 00:59.03 | unum | it takes a lot of borrowing to do that |
| 00:59.22 | unum | qwest set them back a couple of years |
| 00:59.41 | unum | so they're behind on laying out the fiber(and also behind on revenue because of that) |
| 01:01.20 | zzqa | "[17:58] <unum> and of course UTOPIA is in the red, they just bought a lot of fiber" <-= no they are in the red because of 5+ years of horrible choices by their management team |
| 01:01.44 | zzqa | I would LOVE it for utopia to succeed, don't get me wrong, but it is like cheering for the detriot lions at this point |
| 01:01.54 | Zelut | lol |
| 01:02.40 | zzqa | it is the perfect model of how to start off with great ideals and a decent plan and then flush millions down the crapper and have little to show for it |
| 01:03.08 | zzqa | and mortgagepocolypse '08-'10 sure didn't help them at all :( |
| 01:04.22 | zzqa | *mortgagepocalypse |
| 01:06.01 | harleypig | It's a good sign that your employer has adopted the obama health care plan when you find out your next breast exam will be performed at Hooters. |
| 01:06.32 | harleypig | and the only proctologist listed is Gust from Roto-rooter |
| 01:07.00 | Zelut | I'm out |
| 01:07.43 | unum | zzqa: what horrible choices? |
| 01:08.10 | unum | where do you think they flushed millions down the crapper |
| 01:08.51 | unum | harleypig: we'll ignore the fact that neither bill had an option for employers to buy health care from the government ;) |
| 01:09.38 | unum | UTOPIA made a lot of good choices. qwest caused them a lot of problems and so did the recession |
| 01:09.55 | unum | I think allegations of throwing money a way are completely in correct |
| 01:10.13 | unum | btw the my company has been saving thousands every month due to utopia for a few years now |
| 01:10.44 | harleypig | unum: what does reality have to do with political jokes? |
| 01:10.55 | Gate | what i wouldn't give to be on UTOPIA |
| 01:12.12 | keldwud | harley, you mean art doesn't imitate life? |
| 01:12.15 | *** part/#utah keldwud (~keldwud@c-67-161-214-101.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 01:12.38 | harleypig | keldwud: No ... llife imitates art |
| 01:32.12 | Gate | life imitates XKCD |
| 02:08.07 | *** join/#utah harleypig (~harleypig@harleypig.com) |
| 02:08.34 | *** join/#utah harleypig (~harleypig@harleypig.com) |
| 02:40.30 | *** join/#utah Demo_ (~Demo@c-174-52-33-117.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 02:52.31 | *** join/#utah sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) |
| 03:06.44 | *** join/#utah redbeard2 (~jphall@techhat.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 03:07.18 | *** join/#utah sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) |
| 03:07.24 | eightyeight | ~onjoin harleypig |
| 03:07.24 | harleypig | eightyeight: A broadsword is a marsupial found only in east australia. |
| 03:07.37 | eightyeight | uh huh |
| 03:24.17 | *** join/#utah sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) |
| 03:39.27 | *** join/#utah brasto (~brasto@c-67-182-203-21.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 04:18.15 | *** join/#utah Moegreen (~nate@71-209-8-40.bois.qwest.net) |
| 04:26.37 | *** join/#utah blendmasternoid (~blendmast@97-117-99-216.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 04:47.51 | zzqa | unum: I'm happy your company has saved so much, utopia is an amazing solution for those few that have been blessed enough to be in their service areas |
| 04:48.19 | zzqa | and I can't back up my "allegations of throwing money a way (sic)" with public facts |
| 04:48.54 | zzqa | so I retract all statements on the topic |
| 04:49.26 | zzqa | and I wish you and your company the best |
| 05:32.37 | eightyeight | blendmasternoid: to answer your question from yesterday, yes, there are no ops identified in #ubuntu-us-ut. does that bother you? |
| 05:33.32 | fozzmoo | It bothers me! |
| 05:33.38 | fozzmoo | But, I'm not sure exactly why. |
| 05:35.09 | eightyeight | heh |
| 05:42.09 | Migs | I don't remember there being so much reading in college |
| 06:21.12 | *** join/#utah Cyberkruz (~Cyberkruz@166-70-223-89.ip.xmission.com) |
| 07:15.08 | *** join/#utah Sargun (~Sargun@atarack/Staff/Sargun) |
| 07:37.04 | harleypig | !haiku monkey butt fun |
| 07:37.11 | harleypig | feh |
| 07:47.33 | *** join/#utah keldwud (~keldwud@c-67-161-214-101.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 07:48.57 | keldwud | hmm, any recommendations for a live cd that will allow me to either write zeros to a laptop hdd or something that will section off the bad sectors? |
| 07:49.09 | keldwud | or a tool/utility that will allow me to do something similar? |
| 07:51.07 | keldwud | damn. I've got reallocated sector count errors :( |
| 07:51.15 | keldwud | and current pending sector count errors |
| 07:51.40 | keldwud | n/m |
| 07:51.45 | keldwud | guess I'm replacing a hard drive |
| 08:05.10 | keldwud | smart data gave me some bad news |
| 08:05.13 | *** part/#utah keldwud (~keldwud@c-67-161-214-101.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 09:02.39 | *** join/#utah keldwud (~keldwud@c-67-161-214-101.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 09:04.33 | keldwud | man, this gateway laptop I'm fixing sucks balls |
| 11:55.58 | keldwud | sweet. got it finally. apparently ubuntu doesn't have drivers available for broadcom wireless cards, had to install a new package but it took a bit of digging to find out which one to install |
| 11:56.07 | *** part/#utah keldwud (~keldwud@c-67-161-214-101.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 12:15.54 | Sargun | 5 more weeks until my new workout finally kicks in |
| 14:02.07 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (~emcnabb@nat/redhat/x-hbspivihvsgougmp) |
| 14:02.07 | *** mode/#utah [+v emcnabb] by ChanServ |
| 14:07.27 | *** join/#utah wps (~wps@208.53.47.251) |
| 14:13.33 | *** join/#utah keldwud (~keldwud@c-67-161-214-101.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 14:14.13 | keldwud | wow. I'm watching the credits for Battle for Wesnoth and what language *hasn't* it been translated into? |
| 14:14.30 | keldwud | I didn't even know that many languages existed |
| 14:35.12 | *** join/#utah sshaw (~decriptor@137.65.132.40) |
| 14:55.51 | *** join/#utah zzqa (~A@c-174-52-193-171.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 15:11.35 | *** join/#utah thaddeusq (~thaddeusq@216.49.181.128) |
| 15:42.10 | *** join/#utah sinuhe (~sinuhe@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 15:45.47 | *** join/#utah redbeard2 (~jphall@71-219-67-130.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 15:59.18 | *** join/#utah carmony (~justin@c-24-10-194-172.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 16:02.43 | *** part/#utah keldwud (~keldwud@c-67-161-214-101.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 16:27.22 | *** join/#utah fungus (~olsonl@bromine.sosstaffing.com) |
| 16:29.23 | *** join/#utah SunSparc (~sparky@173-8-91-177-Utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 16:34.45 | *** join/#utah neybar (~jalance@204.228.142.225) |
| 16:54.29 | *** join/#utah fcodiaz (~fcodiaz@70.102.172.126) |
| 17:09.58 | *** join/#utah redbeard2 (~jphall@208.110.152.42) |
| 17:19.56 | *** join/#utah salparadise (~sal@c-67-172-255-70.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 17:20.42 | *** join/#utah badon (q@pdpc/supporter/active/badon) |
| 17:26.40 | *** join/#utah tiwula (~lane@75-148-99-197-Utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 17:50.55 | rsimpkins | Anyone wanna buy my junker? |
| 17:51.06 | Gate | rsimpkins: car, computer.....? |
| 17:51.09 | rsimpkins | car |
| 17:51.33 | fozzmoo | goozbach: ping |
| 17:52.43 | moriancumer | rsimpkins: how much? condition? year? Mileage? |
| 17:53.42 | rsimpkins | http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=733005&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=2203477 |
| 17:54.01 | rsimpkins | I've gotten about 40 e-mails for it so far. |
| 17:54.10 | rsimpkins | I don't know if that is a lot or not, but it has been a chore keeping up. |
| 17:56.23 | moriancumer | rsimpkins: let me check with the wife. |
| 17:57.38 | *** join/#utah thaddeusq (~thaddeusq@216.49.181.128) |
| 17:58.00 | moriancumer | rsimpkins: what major has been done in the past? |
| 17:59.56 | moriancumer | rsimpkins: oops ^^major work^^ |
| 18:00.00 | rsimpkins | moriancumer: Oh gosh, it's got a load of miles on it.. Probably the most serious thing was that it was an a moderate accident probably 4 years ago. |
| 18:00.20 | rsimpkins | But I've been driving it almost every day since then. |
| 18:01.30 | rsimpkins | There is a reason it is cheap. The interior is in very poor condition. |
| 18:02.26 | moriancumer | I've seen worst, no big tears in the seats. |
| 18:03.04 | moriancumer | The accident was on the front left side? |
| 18:04.05 | rsimpkins | Yes. |
| 18:04.19 | rsimpkins | Yeah, the seats are okay, it is mostly the floors that are pretty nasty. |
| 18:04.34 | rsimpkins | Picture 3 toddlers in the back seat - for 2 years. Oh yeah. |
| 18:05.27 | rsimpkins | If you want, feel free to drop by and take a gander. |
| 18:05.35 | rsimpkins | Or have your wife take a look. |
| 18:06.03 | moriancumer | I only live about 8 mins drive from work, by bus 45 mins. Could save me an hour a day. |
| 18:06.14 | moriancumer | are you in SLC? |
| 18:06.42 | rsimpkins | Lehi. |
| 18:06.49 | goozbach | fozzmoo: pong |
| 18:07.31 | moriancumer | yeah, when I hear back from the wife I'll let you know. |
| 18:09.26 | moriancumer | if we do come out, and it seems decent, we'll probably buy it on the spot. |
| 18:10.07 | moriancumer | Heck, if the car last us 6 month, it's worth $200 |
| 18:12.54 | rsimpkins | Well, we probably won't sell it on the spot just yet. We'd like the 40 or so people who have asked to look at it get an opportunity to do so. |
| 18:13.45 | rsimpkins | Someone offered $300 without even looking, but until people actually show up and look it over, it is hard to take such offers seriously. |
| 18:17.12 | rsimpkins | I've unsubscribed from Zion's bank e-mail list 7 times. I've not been a customer for 6 years. Yet, they continue to send me "your account balance is low" e-mail addresses. |
| 18:17.21 | rsimpkins | e-mails, rather. ;-S |
| 18:21.49 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: that sux. |
| 18:22.08 | fozzmoo | I got out of ZNB before they discovered the Net. |
| 18:26.49 | *** join/#utah sjansen (~sjansen@64.245.157.11) |
| 18:29.43 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: I configured my mail server to send them a 451, so they just keep trying, and trying and trying. |
| 18:29.48 | rsimpkins | 451 4.7.1 <outboundsmtp.zionsbank.com[207.14.144.38]>: Client host rejected: "Zions Bank: Are you daft, or what? Go away and stop sending me mail."; |
| 18:30.25 | rsimpkins | I used to block them with a 500, but deferalls are more fun. |
| 18:47.46 | Jayce^ | nice |
| 18:57.04 | *** join/#utah quixoten (~Devin_Chr@c-67-177-8-48.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 19:05.43 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 19:05.44 | ibot | nabs the moon and broadsides dennis_ubixum with the sea of tranquility |
| 19:08.39 | *** join/#utah elg (~fugalh@c-67-164-125-152.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 19:08.40 | *** mode/#utah [+v elg] by ChanServ |
| 19:23.18 | *** join/#utah mulicheng (~dennis@67.40.105.188) |
| 19:25.24 | *** join/#utah CamargoBP (~CamargoBP@orem.jiveip.net) |
| 19:33.38 | *** join/#utah CamargoBP (~CamargoBP@orem.jiveip.net) |
| 20:09.06 | *** join/#utah cmcguire (~cmcguire@69.27.0.72) |
| 20:52.58 | tensai | yahoo email abuse desk is clueless. question is, do I continue arguing with them or just give up? |
| 20:54.48 | unum | assinate them |
| 20:58.24 | tensai | sjansen, goozbach: I imported my svn repos to git. thanks for your help. |
| 20:58.27 | tensai | git++ |
| 20:58.39 | tensai | ~sjansen++ |
| 20:58.42 | tensai | ~goozbach++ |
| 20:59.20 | fozzmoo | waits for his ++s. |
| 21:00.11 | goozbach | fozzmoo++ |
| 21:00.13 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 21:00.22 | tensai | fozzmoo: no soup for you! |
| 21:00.22 | goozbach | tensai: well done |
| 21:00.25 | Zelut | goozbach++ |
| 21:00.32 | fozzmoo | tensai++ |
| 21:00.32 | goozbach | sjansen: why the sigh chicken fry? |
| 21:00.48 | goozbach | Zelut: ++ |
| 21:00.52 | goozbach | Zelut++ |
| 21:00.54 | sjansen | For the most part, Python is a nice clean language. Which makes its little inconsistencies more annoying. |
| 21:00.56 | fozzmoo | goozbach: He doesn't like it when I get ++'d. It ruins his worldview. |
| 21:00.57 | Zelut | :) |
| 21:01.06 | goozbach | fozzmoo++ |
| 21:02.39 | sjansen | fozzmoo: I haven nothing against you personally, just your politics. |
| 21:03.11 | sjansen | They way I figure it, if you're going to let an entertainer tell you what to think, at least pick a _funny_ entertainer. |
| 21:03.29 | sjansen | The world already had enough criers, whiners, and haters. |
| 21:04.17 | unum | so I'm having a weird issue with chrome |
| 21:04.36 | unum | where two images will show up smaller the first time I load the page |
| 21:04.47 | unum | but if I lead it again they show up at the correct size |
| 21:06.37 | sjansen | unum: Obviously Sarah Palin is to blame. She winked at your browser and broke it. |
| 21:07.25 | Zelut | obviously this conversation just took a really strange turn. |
| 21:08.07 | fozzmoo | Zelut: sjansen's just being pissy. |
| 21:08.38 | Zelut | fozzmoo: that's pretty standard though, isn't it? :) |
| 21:09.02 | sjansen | Actually, self deprecating. But that's okay. I understand. You're used to ever political opinion be expressed with an undertone of rage. |
| 21:10.44 | fozzmoo | sjansen: I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you're referring to Glenn Beck as he's the only person I ever allow to blindly set my political beliefs... |
| 21:10.48 | Jayce^ | sjansen: no, just your average conversations.. it's similar to how my coworkers expect everything I say to be sarcasm, unless explicitely stated otherwise |
| 21:11.46 | Zelut | sjansen: ..I think that came from conditioning. |
| 21:12.30 | fozzmoo | sjansen: But, in any case, I invite you to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBuMk52wNyM and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg_GoLFuyIg |
| 21:12.57 | fozzmoo | and then tell me/us where you disagree with the entertainer of record. |
| 21:17.31 | unum | a chance to tear glenn beck apart in front of adoring fans!!!! |
| 21:17.39 | unum | too bad I fixed my palin induced web problem |
| 21:18.02 | fozzmoo | unum: Go ahead. I want to know where he's wrong. |
| 21:19.23 | unum | ok fire dowsed |
| 21:20.30 | unum | lincolns birtday? |
| 21:20.59 | unum | http://www.snopes.com/holidays/presidents/presidentsday.asp |
| 21:21.00 | Jayce^ | begins to get blood coming out of his ears... I refuse to stoop to XSLT to solve this issue!! |
| 21:21.07 | *** join/#utah blendmaster1024 (~blendmast@unaffiliated/blendmaster1024) |
| 21:21.08 | unum | it was washington's birthday |
| 21:21.50 | unum | monday was washington's birthay is what I meant to say |
| 21:21.58 | unum | weather glenn beck knows it or not |
| 21:22.05 | unum | I mean it's the federal observation of such |
| 21:22.10 | unum | not the actual day.... |
| 21:22.27 | unum | ok back to the video |
| 21:23.35 | unum | deficit spending as been a main staf of the federal government since the great depression |
| 21:23.39 | unum | he implies that that's new |
| 21:24.17 | fozzmoo | If you watch the whole thing, he does say it's not just Bush and Obama, it's the preceding presidents too. |
| 21:24.37 | rsimpkins | I didn't think that spending was the president's fault. Actually. But - what do I know. |
| 21:24.41 | Jayce^ | actually he regularly rants about everybody abusing that, that I've heard (and I haven't exactly heard much of his stuff) |
| 21:24.55 | unum | rsimpkins: it's a joint effort |
| 21:25.00 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins: joint... yeah |
| 21:25.13 | rsimpkins | lol, I did not inhale, okay! |
| 21:25.30 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins++ |
| 21:25.30 | Jayce^ | he requests, and states reasons, it gets approved, and the 'executes'.. can always *not* do things and return money |
| 21:25.31 | unum | I like how borrowing from government is automatically contrary to "freedom" |
| 21:25.38 | unum | no explanation of how he gets there..... |
| 21:25.49 | Jayce^ | unum: debt is slavery |
| 21:25.54 | Jayce^ | I'll agree on that one |
| 21:26.21 | unum | and apparantly so is being civil servant |
| 21:26.43 | unum | so all my brothers who work for defense contractors are the ones robbing my freedom!!!! |
| 21:26.49 | unum | all ok I'll accept that |
| 21:27.17 | rsimpkins | Well, you know what they say, we have no one to blame but ourselves. And, since more and more people could care less, my general take is to enjoy the ride. |
| 21:27.26 | unum | "if you want freedom you have to have freedom to fail(starve to death)" |
| 21:27.32 | unum | I complete disagree with that |
| 21:27.33 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: Exactly. It really comes down tot he electorate. |
| 21:27.56 | Jayce^ | unum: we can't allow failure? why? |
| 21:27.56 | fozzmoo | unum: No, you just don't COUNT on the federal govt to step in and soften your fall. |
| 21:28.22 | unum | government regulation of economy is a good thing |
| 21:28.35 | unum | government stopping certain transactions from taking place is ok |
| 21:28.41 | unum | I don't support anarchy |
| 21:28.42 | Jayce^ | that's your opinion, one I disagree with, especially to the extents given |
| 21:28.51 | fozzmoo | unum: There's this prevailing thought that if the federal govt doesn't soften the blows, people are gonna die. They're injecting themselves into the traditional roles of families, churches, charity groups, etc. |
| 21:29.07 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: What? |
| 21:29.14 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: I didn't follow that one. |
| 21:29.15 | unum | fozzmoo: I don't care about protecting churches through government action |
| 21:29.31 | unum | let me make that clear. GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO NOTHING TO BENEFIT CHURCHES!!! |
| 21:29.54 | unum | I fully support removing non-profit status for ALL religious organizations |
| 21:30.01 | Jayce^ | unum: just state appointed charities with their own beliefs, of course |
| 21:30.02 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 21:30.48 | unum | I know charities that will do horrible things like helping gay children get on their own feet after being abused by their parents for being gay |
| 21:30.54 | unum | that may bother you, but not me |
| 21:31.08 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: As the federal government grows in its "nanny state" mentality, it does the work traditionally done by churches, families, and charity groups. |
| 21:31.14 | Jayce^ | unum: of course, they're all so awesome and only do what's good, compared to those 'other' organizations.. |
| 21:31.15 | fozzmoo | That was my point. |
| 21:31.43 | unum | I have a say in how a tax funded organization works |
| 21:31.52 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: yes, but that is what more and more people want. Because their families are broken, their churches a sham, and the charity groups a joke. |
| 21:32.07 | Jayce^ | how about *not* funding it via taxes... I know, what a concept |
| 21:32.18 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: But at least a locally operated charity, family, or church group is accountable to its members. |
| 21:32.24 | unum | Jayce^: because then it won't have enough funding |
| 21:32.30 | fozzmoo | The federal government is so big, so distant, it's hard to keep them accountable. |
| 21:32.31 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: And, well, voters don't care. |
| 21:32.35 | Jayce^ | unum: they maybe they are doing something wrong |
| 21:32.47 | fozzmoo | Not to mention, it's not really capable of true compassion. |
| 21:32.48 | Jayce^ | there are *other* ways to work |
| 21:32.54 | unum | Jayce^: are you on a board of a charity? |
| 21:33.09 | Jayce^ | unum: I have been, not currently, yes |
| 21:33.21 | Jayce^ | as well as church charity |
| 21:33.41 | unum | so you were appointed by the church to be over the charity |
| 21:33.42 | Jayce^ | though I am in a couple of non-profit, and for profits. |
| 21:33.46 | unum | or it was a seperate organization |
| 21:33.52 | fozzmoo | separate. |
| 21:33.55 | Jayce^ | unum: separate, though I have done church charity too |
| 21:33.57 | fozzmoo | sorry. spelling nazi in me. |
| 21:34.02 | Jayce^ | EQ, etc |
| 21:34.14 | unum | and they had plenty of money to help all of the people in need? |
| 21:34.28 | Jayce^ | we matched our work to our resources.. amazing concept |
| 21:34.38 | fozzmoo | Jayce^++ |
| 21:34.56 | unum | there he implies that the "bigger" government change is a new thing with obama...... |
| 21:35.07 | Jayce^ | some pushed for more grants from the fedgov, others pushed for searching for ourself |
| 21:35.09 | unum | Jayce^: and then there were many people you weren't able to help |
| 21:35.35 | unum | aaahhh america is all about wanting jobs |
| 21:35.36 | unum | ok |
| 21:36.03 | Jayce^ | yup, that's life, we worked as we could |
| 21:36.06 | unum | I actually agree with the whole, if you have a war you declare a war bit |
| 21:36.15 | unum | that's why I couldn't vote for anyone but nader or obama |
| 21:36.18 | Jayce^ | there is no guarantee, and we often passed among other groups |
| 21:36.29 | Jayce^ | RP++ |
| 21:36.44 | unum | Jayce^: sorry I thought you were implying that well ran charities always had enough money to do everything they wanted |
| 21:36.48 | Jayce^ | but obama agrees with bush and previous on the war part |
| 21:36.56 | Jayce^ | unum: no, actually I said the opposite |
| 21:37.09 | unum | Jayce^: obama spoke out against the war from the beginning |
| 21:37.11 | Jayce^ | we did what *we* could, and worked with other groups to provide |
| 21:37.13 | unum | he hasn't ended it yet |
| 21:37.22 | unum | but he's mostly ended the one in iraq |
| 21:37.24 | Jayce^ | unum: and yet he's also pushed new stuff |
| 21:37.27 | *** join/#utah CamargoBP (~CamargoBP@orem.jiveip.net) |
| 21:37.35 | unum | you mean the domestic stuff? |
| 21:37.39 | rsimpkins | Is this conversation actually going to change anyone's point of view, or is it just for fun? |
| 21:37.40 | Jayce^ | unum: he's only following the plan that existed when he came in in Iraq |
| 21:37.43 | Jayce^ | no, like Pakistan |
| 21:37.48 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins: more fun, good reading |
| 21:38.01 | Jayce^ | and a way to stop from putting my fist through the API I've been working with all day |
| 21:38.06 | unum | I wish we would actually declare war |
| 21:38.20 | unum | but no major candidate backed that idea |
| 21:38.24 | Jayce^ | I wish we would GTFO |
| 21:38.42 | Jayce^ | unum: sure, Ron Paul, and I know you'll say major, but he did get a fair amount.. |
| 21:38.43 | unum | hatch, bennet, bishop, matheson, all backed the war |
| 21:38.48 | Jayce^ | but then again, I don't care about major |
| 21:38.54 | unum | ron paul wasn't on my ballot |
| 21:39.09 | Jayce^ | unum: and how many of those am I voting for , or did I |
| 21:39.12 | unum | I guess I colud have written him in, but I prefer nader, who was on my ballot |
| 21:39.13 | Zelut | rsimpkins: it never changes anyone's point of view. |
| 21:39.36 | unum | Jayce^: a lot of beck fans voted for them, and will vote for them again |
| 21:39.46 | fozzmoo | Seems like presidents and congressmen alike don't have a problem with circumventing the constitution and THAT, IMO, is the root to out problem. |
| 21:39.48 | Jayce^ | unum: and yet a lot are waking up |
| 21:40.02 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: yup |
| 21:40.11 | Jayce^ | gulf_of_tonkin-- |
| 21:40.15 | fozzmoo | s/out/our/ |
| 21:40.19 | unum | that's the reason I disrespect beck fans. these things have been issues for decades |
| 21:40.26 | unum | and suddenly now they matter |
| 21:40.46 | unum | a few people have been saying these things all along |
| 21:40.52 | unum | I know fozzmoo has |
| 21:40.54 | Jayce^ | unum: suddenly? seems like a lot of folks have been saying it for ages.. and many more are as I said, waking up |
| 21:41.00 | fozzmoo | unum: You're right. A few fringe wackos. |
| 21:41.14 | Jayce^ | it's been great, lots of people are finally starting to pick up on things.. |
| 21:41.16 | fozzmoo | but now... people are starting to pay attention. |
| 21:41.25 | JoshH | i think parties are the problem. no politician cares about the rules or the constitution unless they can claim that someone in the other party is disobeying or disrespecting it |
| 21:41.27 | unum | why didn't beck say anything when bush was president |
| 21:41.36 | fozzmoo | JoshH: Bongi. |
| 21:41.39 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 21:41.41 | fozzmoo | BINGO |
| 21:41.41 | unum | "global warming was disproved by a snow storm in dc" |
| 21:41.43 | Jayce^ | JoshH: parties are like unions, their main interest is in themselves, |
| 21:41.44 | unum | seriously? |
| 21:41.46 | fozzmoo | unum: HE DID! |
| 21:42.09 | JoshH | if we got rid of lobbyists and parties, a lot of things would be different |
| 21:42.35 | unum | fozzmoo: I never heard anyone talk about it |
| 21:42.40 | Jayce^ | lobbyists will always exists, in some form.. get rid of the power controls and they are weaker |
| 21:43.19 | fozzmoo | unum: Oh, man. Beck was no friend of the Bush admnistration, especially in the second term. |
| 21:43.45 | fozzmoo | The border - Compeano and Ramos - was a big catalyst for that. |
| 21:44.08 | Jayce^ | unum: heck, even Jones admits there hasn't been anything since 95 :) (now maybe we can get to real healthy changes) |
| 21:44.09 | fozzmoo | The Patriot Act was also a concern. |
| 21:44.33 | JoshH | i haven't seen much beck since he moved to fox, but from what i have seen, he's put on a much more nutty, fringe persona. on CNN he seemed like a normal guy who had some gripes with the government, like everyone else. |
| 21:44.35 | Jayce^ | though he was for that, I did read the bit where he detailed out where he was wrong about it |
| 21:44.43 | fozzmoo | Beck came out against TARP and the first Stimulus |
| 21:44.59 | fozzmoo | Both under Bush. |
| 21:45.28 | Jayce^ | JoshH: I think a lot of that is just how people want to view him there.. I haven't watched either, just watched the people talking about him.. |
| 21:45.37 | fozzmoo | The big thing about stuff like the Patriot Act is sunsets. They've got to have sunsets. |
| 21:46.06 | fozzmoo | Interestingly, congress just keeps renewing the Patriot Act. |
| 21:46.20 | Jayce^ | imagine that |
| 21:46.23 | Jayce^ | :( |
| 21:46.47 | unum | I don't think we should torture either |
| 21:46.53 | fozzmoo | JoshH: You're right. At CNN Beck was really harping on issues of the day... |
| 21:47.06 | unum | wow talk about scare tactics |
| 21:47.22 | fozzmoo | Since going to FOX, he's started harping on more core issues, history that has been forgotten or erased, and fundamental constitutional issues. |
| 21:47.34 | Sargun_Screen | uhm. |
| 21:47.37 | Sargun_Screen | beck is on crack. |
| 21:47.48 | Sargun_Screen | TARP wasn't a terrible idea |
| 21:48.03 | fozzmoo | Sargun_Screen: Not anymore. He gave up drugs in the early to mid 90s. :) |
| 21:48.09 | unum | he's making up history |
| 21:48.13 | unum | I've read Pain |
| 21:48.19 | fozzmoo | Pain? |
| 21:48.22 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 21:48.26 | unum | Thomas Pain |
| 21:48.29 | fozzmoo | Paine? |
| 21:48.31 | unum | one of his main heros |
| 21:48.35 | unum | ya |
| 21:48.41 | fozzmoo | He admires the first half of Paine's legacy. |
| 21:48.44 | unum | ah |
| 21:48.51 | unum | before he became anti-christian |
| 21:49.04 | fozzmoo | The part where Paine rallies the Americans to rally behind independence. |
| 21:49.24 | unum | and we'll just not talk about the rest......... |
| 21:49.33 | fozzmoo | And where he says the battle has just begun and that starting a new nation will be the battle "that tries men's souls." |
| 21:49.42 | Jayce^ | Tarp is a lousy idea, and that 2/3 or so of the $$ being kept in "reserve" is just going to lead to one of the largest sugar-binges in the american economy ever. |
| 21:49.43 | unum | we'll just forget the parts of history that don't agree with our views |
| 21:49.54 | Jayce^ | one massive pixie-stick, and the associated crash |
| 21:50.13 | Jayce^ | unum: sure works for the progressive movement :) |
| 21:50.28 | JoshH | i really just don't understand why people like beck and tea partiers get so worked up over obama, as if he's really that different from any previous presidents. even his base is complaining about how moderate he has been. |
| 21:50.32 | unum | Jayce^: you mean the whole, we'll be covered in water thing? |
| 21:50.35 | fozzmoo | Even Beck thought, for a couple of days, that TARP was "neccessary" to save the system. |
| 21:50.50 | unum | JoshH: amen |
| 21:50.58 | Jayce^ | unum: no, more like where progressivism came from |
| 21:51.15 | unum | oh, you mean your eating human flesh in your ground beef |
| 21:51.19 | fozzmoo | His base is the uber left. :) |
| 21:51.22 | Jayce^ | JoshH: I think most 'tea-party' and associated things were pissed off before.. |
| 21:51.22 | unum | ya they did start out that way |
| 21:51.40 | unum | I know a lot of moderates that suppport him |
| 21:51.41 | Jayce^ | heck, stuff I've been to had plenty of anti republican stuff too |
| 21:51.47 | unum | and a lot of moderates that supported mccain |
| 21:51.56 | unum | man if it hadn't been for fiorna |
| 21:52.00 | unum | well and then palin |
| 21:52.02 | fozzmoo | Because McCain's a moderate progressive republican. |
| 21:52.07 | Jayce^ | yuup |
| 21:52.13 | Jayce^ | statist |
| 21:52.36 | JoshH | Jayce^: you see thigns like "ya, bush wasn't really that great i guess", but they never did actually go into a frenzy and protest anything about him |
| 21:52.36 | unum | the question is there enough of you even in utah to change anything? |
| 21:52.46 | unum | are you going to throw out bennet this year? |
| 21:52.53 | fozzmoo | unum: Sure hope so. |
| 21:53.01 | fozzmoo | and Hatch in 2012 |
| 21:53.04 | Jayce^ | JoshH: no, Iv'e seen plenty, from patriot to monetary policy, etc |
| 21:53.09 | unum | I think Hatch will retire |
| 21:53.14 | JoshH | i'd like to see bennett go, and i'm also glad that it won't be shurtleff replacing him |
| 21:53.14 | unum | what about bishop? |
| 21:53.22 | Jayce^ | pull a bayh, if he sees the writing on the wall |
| 21:53.24 | JoshH | but that also means that shurtleff will continue to be our AG, which is sad |
| 21:53.24 | unum | and do you have a decent candidate for matheson's office |
| 21:53.26 | fozzmoo | unum: I'm on the fence with Bishop |
| 21:53.29 | unum | the guy I've seen is a moron |
| 21:53.33 | fozzmoo | unum: Philpot. |
| 21:53.48 | fozzmoo | I don't know much about him, but a lot of people are excited about him. |
| 21:53.53 | fozzmoo | Not my district. |
| 21:54.07 | unum | he didn't seem like a tea partier to me |
| 21:54.32 | fozzmoo | *shrugs* |
| 21:54.46 | unum | atleast you guys did get rid of cannon |
| 21:54.51 | fozzmoo | nods |
| 21:54.52 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 21:55.07 | *** join/#utah sshaw (~decriptor@137.65.132.40) |
| 21:55.08 | Jayce^ | registered as a repub just to vote in those primaries |
| 21:55.42 | fozzmoo | And, so far, Chaffetz has been great. When you compare Hatch and Bennett to Chaffetz, you really get an idea how long they've been in office and how their worldview has been corrupted by what's "normal for Washington." |
| 21:55.53 | Jayce^ | bah, 12.5M Pursuit, best US was 24th :( |
| 21:56.21 | fozzmoo | Chaffetz says "no earmarks." Hatch and Bennett say, "How else are we supposed to funnel funds to our districts?" |
| 21:56.26 | fozzmoo | DUH!!!! |
| 21:56.37 | unum | chaffetz now supports earmarks |
| 21:56.40 | unum | and asks for them |
| 21:56.57 | JoshH | i like how chaffetz is agains the body scanners, but he needs to quit worrying about the gays in DC |
| 21:57.19 | fozzmoo | because they'll use the body scanners on Jason? |
| 21:57.26 | fozzmoo | He's a good lookin' man. |
| 21:57.29 | unum | how does a man who ran on limited federal government justify blocking gay marriages in dc |
| 21:57.33 | JoshH | and i haven't seen him introduce a bill to set up mexican tent cities yet. was that just primary stuff? |
| 21:57.37 | tensai | it's all nice to complain about earmarks but they really account for a small fraction of spending. eliminating them won't really impact our deficit. |
| 21:57.53 | fozzmoo | tensai: You're right. Principles, tho. |
| 21:58.08 | Jayce^ | tensai: just one of many things.. but nice to have a stance on each of them |
| 21:58.11 | unum | tensai: the thing that bothers my about earmarks are when you see them going to private companies the funded the campaign |
| 21:58.12 | tensai | fozzmoo: I agree with that, but it gets me when they're portrayed as a money sink |
| 21:58.21 | unum | rules like chaffetz and obama have don't bother me so much |
| 21:58.30 | tensai | supports publicly funded elections |
| 21:58.52 | unum | but I really admire the people of arizona for sending mccain and flake back |
| 21:58.57 | fozzmoo | unum: IMO, govt should get out of the business of all marriages. |
| 21:59.28 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: yup, it's religious, but by the same token, you can't enforce that view via any *other* fed systems |
| 21:59.28 | unum | government has a roll in contracts |
| 21:59.40 | unum | I don't care who makes the contracts or what they are called |
| 21:59.41 | tensai | ah dialup. how I miss the sound of a modem negotiating. |
| 21:59.52 | Jayce^ | tensai: you old fart |
| 21:59.54 | unum | but government has an involvement in contract disputes |
| 22:00.14 | fozzmoo | unum: Right, but it's easy for the government to recognize a contract or partnership. |
| 22:00.25 | unum | true |
| 22:00.30 | Jayce^ | they are only legal contracts because of govt views on taxation, and property rights.. which can be done seperately |
| 22:00.43 | tensai | Jayce^: but I'm dialing over SIP |
| 22:00.47 | fozzmoo | They don't have to worry about whether it's called a "marriage" or a "domestic partnership" or a "mutual butt-sex agreement" |
| 22:00.50 | unum | now if you could only explain that to chaffetz |
| 22:01.08 | tensai | fozzmoo: the new MBA |
| 22:01.20 | tensai | surprisingly, not so different from the old MBA |
| 22:01.20 | unum | of course even matheson would struggle because it would be used against him |
| 22:01.32 | Jayce^ | unum: actually, he has a similar opinion, if you talk to him.. legal measure are viewed as necessary because of how other parts of the fed react to those rules |
| 22:02.16 | unum | Jayce^: so he would break with bennet, hatch, matheson, and bishop on a consitutional marriage ammendement |
| 22:02.20 | JoshH | i'd rather just have the government continue handling marriages but let the gays do it too. i don't see the problem with that. |
| 22:02.30 | Jayce^ | and of course, he takes part in the dicsussion with the district, because the house has responsibilities there |
| 22:02.31 | fozzmoo | hopes the GB videos shed a little light. He's not anti-Obama as much as anti-establishment. |
| 22:02.43 | fozzmoo | nees to get back to doing some "work." |
| 22:03.05 | unum | I've noticed him intentionally wording things to make obama look worse |
| 22:03.20 | unum | someone sent me a video once where he said tarp happened in feb of last year |
| 22:03.26 | Jayce^ | unum: if he felt that everything else wasn't left open.. that's what he's discussed |
| 22:03.31 | fozzmoo | unum: He thinks Obama and his camp are a bunch of radical revolutionaries. no doubt about that. |
| 22:03.41 | fozzmoo | Feb of 2008. |
| 22:03.52 | unum | tarp was passed in oct of 2007 |
| 22:04.12 | fozzmoo | Oh. Was it the first stimulus that was Feb 2008? |
| 22:04.26 | unum | and I've talked to more than one beck fan who didn't know the difference between tarp and the stimulus package |
| 22:04.37 | unum | but yes the stimulus package was feb of 2008 |
| 22:05.03 | unum | of course one of these people didn't even know teachers were paid out of tax money....... |
| 22:05.15 | Jayce^ | YABSB - yet another big spending bill |
| 22:05.15 | unum | ya I don't have a lot of respect for beck fans, mostly because of the ones I know |
| 22:05.22 | unum | including my brother..... |
| 22:05.40 | fozzmoo | unum: Yes, we're all aware that you think most Beck fans dropped out of junior high and it wasn't even that good of a junior high. |
| 22:06.16 | JoshH | most beck fans i know personally finished high school but that's it |
| 22:06.20 | fozzmoo | unum: But you bring up a very good point: Most people, Beck fans or not, don't know squat about how government works. |
| 22:06.23 | unum | fozzmoo: all the beck fans I know graduated highschool |
| 22:06.33 | unum | the ones that went to college all went to a private college |
| 22:06.35 | unum | except you |
| 22:06.48 | unum | that's true |
| 22:06.52 | fozzmoo | and Jayce^. Don't forget Jayce^! |
| 22:06.59 | Jayce^ | did both |
| 22:07.01 | unum | I didn't know where he went to school |
| 22:07.17 | fozzmoo | Oh, so you just assumed he dropped out of a poorly performing junior high? |
| 22:07.17 | Jayce^ | regrets the non-private college time |
| 22:07.22 | JoshH | i actually can't think of any conservatives that i know who went to college for something other than business |
| 22:07.40 | unum | I know one with a german lit degree |
| 22:07.45 | Jayce^ | JoshH: should get out more then :) |
| 22:07.53 | JoshH | of course i don't hang out with many historians and philosophers and anthropologists though |
| 22:08.01 | unum | and she actually didn't go to byu, I can't remember where she went, but it was private and expensive |
| 22:08.19 | unum | I took polisci classes |
| 22:08.20 | fozzmoo | Then there's George Wythe Univ. :) |
| 22:08.31 | unum | those guys might be glenn beck fans, but I never heard them mention his name |
| 22:08.52 | unum | I posted the whole texas text book thing in here didn't I? |
| 22:08.57 | unum | you want to talk about states rights |
| 22:09.01 | unum | that's where I would like some |
| 22:09.06 | JoshH | the 2 people i know that went to ricks/byu idaho flat out say that they only went to increase their testimony and didn't even try to learn anything |
| 22:09.10 | JoshH | not sure how normal that is |
| 22:09.18 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 22:09.21 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (~timr@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker) |
| 22:09.21 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 22:09.23 | JoshH | but that school isn't famous for academics |
| 22:09.29 | Jayce^ | loved ricks |
| 22:09.38 | Jayce^ | was an excellent school actually |
| 22:09.40 | fozzmoo | everyone I talk to that went to Rexburg said they spent most of their time trying to stay warm. |
| 22:09.42 | *** join/#utah sshaw (~decriptor@137.65.132.40) |
| 22:09.58 | unum | with out touching someone of the opposite gender |
| 22:09.59 | JoshH | fozzmoo: heh, one of the ones i'm talking about ended up switching to byu hawaii |
| 22:10.00 | Jayce^ | sucky part about the CS dept was they used to have a much of as/400 profs that were a pain |
| 22:10.03 | JoshH | and actually fell in love with hawaii |
| 22:10.33 | Jayce^ | acct/econ profs at ricks were excellent |
| 22:10.56 | JoshH | but even though he's a deeply religious guy, he actually never talks about politics at all, and i don't think he even cares who the president is |
| 22:12.32 | JoshH | do any of you watch big love? this season is pretty good, and last sunday's episode was fantastic |
| 22:13.11 | Jayce^ | nope (but I can say that about most shows) |
| 22:14.42 | *** join/#utah sshaw (~decriptor@137.65.132.40) |
| 22:34.49 | *** join/#utah elg (~fugalh@c-67-164-125-152.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 22:34.49 | *** mode/#utah [+v elg] by ChanServ |
| 22:55.56 | tensai | Big Bang Theory is a great nerdy show |
| 22:56.13 | tensai | the intro was done by TMBG. how can you go wrong with that? |
| 23:00.40 | Jayce^ | keeps recording them, but haven't watched yet (will there ever be free time :( ) |
| 23:10.11 | *** join/#utah keldwud (~keldwud@c-67-161-214-101.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:22.43 | *** join/#utah sontek (~sontek@opensuse/member/Sontek) |
| 23:35.57 | unum | big bang theory isn't bad |
| 23:41.56 | fozzmoo | BBT theme is done by BNL, not TMBG |
| 23:51.48 | *** join/#utah badon (~q@pdpc/supporter/active/badon) |