| 00:05.02 | keldwud | lol. "Not the droids you were looking for? Search more..." |
| 00:11.09 | sjansen | elg: http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/googles-street-view-snowmobile-takes-your-voyeurism-to-the-olym/ |
| 00:13.35 | keldwud | oh wow |
| 00:13.53 | elg | sjansen: oh, awesome! |
| 00:14.58 | keldwud | ok, one thing I don't like about the new facebook design is that it doesn't auto refresh as fast as I'd like |
| 00:15.04 | keldwud | I have to manually refresh it :( |
| 00:15.47 | elg | whatdya think this is, friendfeed? |
| 00:17.18 | jsmith | sjansen: Looks like it would be back-heavy... hit a cornice with that thing, and you're guaranteed to get flipped over backward |
| 00:17.49 | elg | well there's always ballast |
| 00:19.56 | keldwud | jsmith maybe they drive slowly |
| 00:20.00 | keldwud | ? :) |
| 00:20.09 | keldwud | like, wwaaaayy slow |
| 00:20.12 | jsmith | Yeah, but that's no fun |
| 00:20.14 | elg | maybe it's a hovercraft. |
| 00:20.18 | jsmith | elg: Too heavy |
| 00:23.18 | sjansen | jsmith: That ain't nothing. Want something dangerous to do with a snowmobile? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQa-EDu0Tro&feature=related |
| 00:23.59 | sjansen | http://www.wikihow.com/Skip-a-Snowmobile-Across-Water |
| 00:24.31 | jsmith | sjansen: Been there, done that... it's scarier than it looks. |
| 00:24.41 | sjansen | Step 1: Make sure you know how to swim. People have died because they tried to skip their snowmobile, lost speed, and didn't know how to swim. |
| 00:25.18 | elg | cant be good for the snowmobile when he sinks |
| 00:33.09 | keldwud | hmm, just applied at DirectPointe. Do we know anybody out there? |
| 00:42.20 | keldwud | crap. I can't get google buzz working in my gmail |
| 00:42.28 | keldwud | does anyone know how to turn off google labs? |
| 00:50.03 | elg | click on the little x in the corner of your window |
| 00:50.49 | keldwud | oh is *that* how it works? Problem solved, thanks, elg! :) |
| 00:53.41 | keldwud | hmm, is google buzz one of those things that rolls out with a certain amount of users at a time? |
| 00:53.47 | keldwud | or is my gmail broken? |
| 00:54.53 | elg | i think it's rolling out, yes |
| 00:55.32 | keldwud | damn them. I'm ready to start experimenting with it |
| 00:55.36 | keldwud | is impatient |
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| 16:35.54 | sjansen | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/10/1459257/Hackers-Attack-AU-Websites-To-Protest-Censorship |
| 16:36.58 | sjansen | is just waiting for their followup campaign: "Masked Teenagers Punch NYC Pedestrians in Face to Protest War in Iraq" |
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| 17:15.16 | unum | looks like facebook gave up and went back to the old feed style |
| 17:15.29 | unum | which is good, it seemed like I wasn't getting a lot of stuff any more |
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| 18:58.33 | carmony | ~lart herlo |
| 18:58.33 | ibot | squeezes herlo till herlo turns blue like papa smurf |
| 19:39.45 | fozzmoo | http://www.wlbz2.com/news/watercooler/story.aspx?storyid=114336&catid=109 |
| 19:51.57 | fozzmoo | ~lart MySQL for those stupid MyISAM tables and their inability to do foreign keys |
| 19:51.57 | ibot | runs at MySQL with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut for those stupid MyISAM tables and their inability to do foreign keys |
| 19:55.44 | jsmith | fozzmoo: That's what you get for even thinking about using MySQL :-p |
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| 19:58.20 | fozzmoo | jsmith: Kind of being forced to in this case- adding functionality to an existing database. |
| 19:58.51 | jsmith | fozzmoo: And lemme guess... there's no reasonable database abstraction layer that makes it easy to port? |
| 19:59.13 | fozzmoo | If I was starting from scratch and had to use MySQL, I'd at least choose InnoDB tables, but only after protesting at length and begging for PostgreSQL. |
| 19:59.57 | fozzmoo | The existing application is Apache::ASP using plain old DBI. |
| 20:00.15 | fozzmoo | Pretty honkin' antique-ish. :) |
| 20:01.22 | jsmith | shudders |
| 20:06.36 | fozzmoo | A friend of mine just posted this on FB: Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners. Have a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on you. It would be a win-win for everyone, and there would be none of this crap about racial profiling. |
| 20:08.12 | keldwud | got my buzz on, woot |
| 20:08.29 | keldwud | anybody here interested in adding me and helping me play around with it? |
| 20:08.38 | dennis_ubixum | ++PostgreSQL |
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| 20:08.49 | keldwud | in this instance, "buzz" wasn't meant as slang for "getting wasted" |
| 20:08.52 | fozzmoo | keldwud: buzz? |
| 20:08.55 | keldwud | google buzz |
| 20:09.03 | keldwud | it started rolling out yesterday |
| 20:09.17 | keldwud | I'm interested in playing around with it and seeing if it is cool or not |
| 20:09.45 | keldwud | I tried wave but I don't see any practical applications for wave unless I'm putting together a project and we are only in the brainstorming stage |
| 20:10.11 | fozzmoo | keldwud: I agree... wave would be 1000x cooler if it was a technology you could deploy on your own servers. |
| 20:20.45 | keldwud | fozzmoo, and maybe if there were permission controls? |
| 20:21.09 | keldwud | I did a test run with only half a dozen people and *anyone* can edit or delete other people's posts |
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| 20:26.40 | keldwud | so it got very chaotic |
| 20:26.53 | keldwud | anyway, anyone interested in goofing around on buzz with me? |
| 20:36.39 | ^Migs^ | RT: @BreakingNews: #Iran says it will shut down access to GMail, launch own e-mail service - Wall Street Journal |
| 20:36.41 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 20:37.14 | keldwud | lol |
| 20:37.24 | keldwud | Is Iran the new China? |
| 20:37.27 | keldwud | of the internet |
| 20:38.04 | keldwud | It's just going to become more and more difficult to isolate yourself in the near future |
| 20:38.30 | keldwud | unless you're willing to give up access to global telecommunications systems |
| 20:38.57 | elg | http://developers.facebook.com/news.php?blog=1&story=361 |
| 20:38.59 | keldwud | you can't wall yourself off and still expect communications to go one way |
| 20:39.18 | elg | [facebook does jabber] |
| 20:39.26 | keldwud | wow |
| 20:39.51 | keldwud | that means I can finally add it to pidgin |
| 20:39.57 | keldwud | I was getting sick of using meebo |
| 20:40.22 | keldwud | although, msn has been fighting to keep non M$ clients from accessing their instant messenger :( |
| 20:40.23 | elg | maybe this is the better post to link |
| 20:40.24 | elg | http://blog.facebook.com/blog.php?post=297991732130 |
| 20:40.46 | elg | i've managed not to get an msn account yet. i'm so awesome |
| 20:41.18 | keldwud | many of my friends and family members use msn, unfortunately |
| 20:42.57 | goozbach | gonna setup bitlbee to connect to facebook chat! |
| 20:43.00 | goozbach | yay! |
| 20:44.09 | ^Migs^ | meh |
| 20:44.12 | ^Migs^ | I already had that with Pidgin |
| 20:44.34 | goozbach | well, when the page comes up |
| 20:44.36 | ^Migs^ | keldwud: Pidgin's had a Facebook Chat addon for a long time |
| 20:44.37 | goozbach | elg: get on that |
| 20:44.44 | goozbach | ^Migs^: pidgin != bitlbee |
| 20:44.54 | goozbach | and I refuse to use two clients at once |
| 20:44.55 | elg | username@chat.facebook.com |
| 20:45.02 | ^Migs^ | pidgin > bitlbee |
| 20:45.14 | elg | or user id, if you don't have ya a username. |
| 20:45.49 | ^Migs^ | my user id is my email? |
| 20:45.52 | ^Migs^ | *my email. |
| 20:46.04 | ^Migs^ | oh, ID |
| 20:46.06 | ^Migs^ | nm |
| 20:46.22 | elg | i think you can do it with email too, replace @ with % or something. |
| 20:46.38 | elg | but if it works call it happy accident and don't come crying if it doesn't. ;-) |
| 20:47.53 | goozbach | YAY! I'm connected |
| 20:48.08 | goozbach | but now I don't know who u2343245345@chat.facebook.com is. |
| 20:50.18 | tensai | elg: ssl supported? |
| 20:50.28 | elg | no |
| 20:50.42 | elg | and it's not high priority because the web chat interface isn't ssl either |
| 20:50.57 | tensai | well, two wrongs don't make a right |
| 20:51.11 | jsmith | tensai: Amen! |
| 20:51.11 | elg | shrug, it is what it is |
| 20:51.24 | jsmith | Sure... half-baked? |
| 20:51.26 | jsmith | ducks |
| 20:51.40 | elg | would you say anything in fb chat more sensitive than what you do on fb already? |
| 20:52.03 | elg | i mean, if you're going to send a password or something you're probably using jabber+ssl+otr right? |
| 20:52.08 | tensai | elg: oh and are you going to roll back those interface changes already? have you seen the groups? why thousands of people must be mildly annoyed! |
| 20:52.11 | elg | jabber on your own servers even. |
| 20:52.16 | elg | lol |
| 20:52.18 | fozzmoo | what host do you connect to? |
| 20:52.23 | fozzmoo | chat.facebook.com? |
| 20:52.29 | elg | yes |
| 20:52.34 | elg | your fb user id or username |
| 20:52.44 | goozbach | elg: how do I get the user id changed into a nickname? |
| 20:52.54 | fozzmoo | There's a page for that. |
| 20:52.55 | tensai | elg: yes we run jabber internally for all that. I just have a principle of using encryption if available. |
| 20:53.29 | elg | goozbach: http://www.facebook.com/username/ |
| 20:53.57 | elg | understood. it's possible they may switch on ssl down the road |
| 20:54.12 | fozzmoo | http://www.facebook.com/fozzmoo |
| 20:54.13 | elg | but the general vibe I'm getting is nobody thinks there's any point as long as web chat is unencrypted. |
| 20:54.13 | goozbach | elg: I know |
| 20:54.22 | goozbach | all my facebook friends show up as u528784894 |
| 20:54.24 | tensai | it worked! I feel like dorothy. "and goozbach was there, and jsmith was there, and elg you were there too" |
| 20:54.38 | elg | oh, that should only be temporary |
| 20:54.39 | tensai | goozbach: mine shows names |
| 20:54.43 | elg | maybe it's downloading your list |
| 20:54.48 | goozbach | hmm |
| 20:54.48 | elg | maybe you just need to log out and back in... |
| 20:54.51 | elg | don't know |
| 20:55.01 | Jayce^ | tensai: using which client? |
| 20:55.05 | tensai | Jayce^: psi |
| 20:55.08 | elg | if it doesn't, let me know and we'll try and track it down and submit a bug if needed. |
| 20:55.09 | Jayce^ | that's why.. |
| 20:55.16 | tensai | because I'm awesome? |
| 20:55.24 | goozbach | elg: I'm using bitlbee |
| 20:55.25 | Jayce^ | in adium I've had names forever, but bitlbee just gets the id's |
| 20:55.32 | goozbach | logged-out and logged back in |
| 20:55.34 | goozbach | no dice |
| 20:55.42 | Jayce^ | there has to be some way to tell it what to read for the name |
| 20:55.47 | fozzmoo | I'm not seeing any "contacts" |
| 20:55.54 | fozzmoo | like I had with the Pidgin FB plugin. |
| 20:56.02 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: everybody unfriended you.. |
| 20:56.07 | fozzmoo | (which I quit using a long time ago.) |
| 20:56.11 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: That's possible. |
| 20:56.39 | goozbach | interesting... |
| 20:56.57 | goozbach | It'll pop up chat in a browser when you use xmpp elsewhere |
| 20:57.53 | Jayce^ | goozbach: even if you're logged off, they all show up when you do log in |
| 20:57.58 | elg | yeah. you can minimize the chat box in the browser if you're multitasking |
| 20:58.10 | elg | if you close it, it'll just pop open again |
| 20:58.49 | goozbach | I may have to finally setup friends lists on facebook |
| 20:58.57 | fozzmoo | http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700008370/Utah-Legislature-House-formally-questions-global-warming.html |
| 20:59.00 | fozzmoo | Wahoo! |
| 20:59.05 | goozbach | so I can specify who can see me on chat |
| 21:01.51 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: you see that SB11 passed the house today too :) |
| 21:02.10 | keldwud | woot. is that the water harvesting one? |
| 21:02.14 | keldwud | googles |
| 21:02.31 | keldwud | oh, firearms |
| 21:03.18 | keldwud | oh wow. if it's made in utah and sold and bought in utah, no documentation is required? |
| 21:03.23 | keldwud | that's elite |
| 21:03.28 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 21:03.34 | Jayce^ | few other aspects too |
| 21:03.35 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: Yep! |
| 21:03.38 | tensai | Jayce^: does one have to be from utah? |
| 21:03.50 | Jayce^ | no banner based on color, or other attachments |
| 21:04.00 | Jayce^ | tensai: yeah, intrastate commerce only |
| 21:04.08 | Jayce^ | kinda like the recent MT, TN, KY bills |
| 21:04.13 | keldwud | lulz @ http://blueinredzion.com/2010/01/bills-to-watch-sb-11-utah-state-made-firearms-protection-m-dayton-2/ |
| 21:04.23 | sjansen | FB does federated XMPP?! |
| 21:04.32 | keldwud | welcome to the conversation, sjansen |
| 21:04.33 | keldwud | ;) |
| 21:04.41 | unum | I don't think those bills will hold up |
| 21:04.45 | Jayce^ | eg, if I buy an olympic arms rifle (up in bountiful) I can pull off the stock, or have a shorter barrel |
| 21:04.49 | fozzmoo | AKA the "Get your stinkin, filthy, grubby hands off" |
| 21:04.58 | fozzmoo | bill |
| 21:04.59 | elg | sjansen: nothing to see here. still totally evil. no ssl |
| 21:05.02 | elg | er, tls. |
| 21:05.17 | sjansen | elg: I take it back, your employer isn't pure evil. They've just atoned for their misguided endorsement of PHP. |
| 21:05.26 | keldwud | what bill was the senate bill that makes it legal to harvest rainwater? |
| 21:05.34 | fozzmoo | slightly atoned, anyway. It's not true XMPP. |
| 21:05.39 | Jayce^ | sjansen: remember, it's all translated to C++ now, that makes it better for you, right :) |
| 21:05.42 | elg | i wouldn't call it an endoresment. more of a questionable choice |
| 21:05.47 | elg | that we can't really back out of easily now |
| 21:05.54 | keldwud | S.B. 32 - Rainwater Harvesting Bill |
| 21:06.17 | elg | it's true xmpp, it's just not fully-featured xmpp |
| 21:06.27 | Jayce^ | yeah, last year was 128 or something |
| 21:06.39 | fozzmoo | elg: I stand, er sit, corrected. |
| 21:06.47 | jsmith | is sure SB11 will be challenged in court, and lose |
| 21:06.56 | unum | agrees |
| 21:06.56 | Jayce^ | http://le.utah.gov/~2010/htmdoc/sbillhtm/sb0032.htm |
| 21:07.01 | sjansen | Jayce^: Oh, yeah, right. Misguided attempts to redeem PHP by translating it to only slightly less vile C++. |
| 21:07.19 | Jayce^ | jsmith: dunno, it is covered by the ammendments, but there is a reason that multiple states are passing them at the same time |
| 21:07.26 | unum | just like the marijuana in california |
| 21:07.30 | fozzmoo | If it does lose, I'm betting there will me some major unrest. |
| 21:07.42 | unum | Jayce^: what ammendments? |
| 21:07.48 | Jayce^ | 9/10 |
| 21:08.09 | elg | :-D |
| 21:08.13 | jsmith | Jayce^: Yeah, it's to send a message... Bills should do something useful, not just send a message (no matter which side of the matter you prefer) |
| 21:08.16 | unum | that's not the way the supreme court has interepeted them in hte past |
| 21:08.23 | Jayce^ | the feds act stating it's part of the commerce clase (interstate) so these specifically cover interstate only |
| 21:08.39 | unum | fozzmoo: there wasn't much unrest when they ruled that way about marijuana in california |
| 21:09.17 | unum | Jayce^: I know what it says, but that clause has been stretched so wide you can drive anything you want through it |
| 21:09.31 | keldwud | ok, geek poll. Who is greater: Frank Welker, Peter Cullen or Christopher Collins/Latta? |
| 21:09.33 | Jayce^ | jsmith: it's more of a clarification, like last years law that allows personal stowage in vehicles.. validation |
| 21:09.46 | unum | though this court has been changing things...... |
| 21:09.51 | Jayce^ | unum: hence the amazing stupidity of case law vs natural law |
| 21:09.57 | fozzmoo | Peter Cullen? Is he related to Edward? |
| 21:10.05 | keldwud | that would be megatron, optimus prime and starscream/cobra commander respectively |
| 21:10.05 | Jayce^ | ~beat fozzmoo |
| 21:10.06 | ibot | ACTION beats fozzmoo with a very wet, sticky noodle |
| 21:10.28 | sjansen | elg: I don't care about TLS. Already run my own server. But now I might be able to get the last of my friends off AIM and MSN. |
| 21:10.46 | unum | Jayce^: you theories of natural law don't mean anything in a court room |
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| 21:10.55 | keldwud | but they have all done a lot more work than just transformers and gi joe |
| 21:10.58 | unum | or to me really to be honest.... |
| 21:11.01 | Jayce^ | unum: they sure used to, until the 1900s :) |
| 21:11.12 | fozzmoo | unum: Therein lies the root of our disagreement. |
| 21:11.13 | unum | Jayce^: I don't think you know what you are talking about. |
| 21:11.16 | Jayce^ | but that shows exactly why so many things have been going wrong |
| 21:11.20 | unum | we used to allow people to own other people |
| 21:11.32 | fozzmoo | heh heh. The slavery defense. |
| 21:11.34 | keldwud | unum, re: unrest about marijuana> That's because marijuana doesn't kill people ;) |
| 21:11.35 | Jayce^ | unum: and now we just let the govt do it :) |
| 21:11.37 | unum | cities and states could torture |
| 21:11.37 | fozzmoo | "We used to be an evil, evil people!" |
| 21:11.43 | elg | sjansen: I don't think it's federated. if federated means what I think it means |
| 21:11.45 | fozzmoo | We still own people. |
| 21:11.53 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: it's those evil founders, such flawed folks :)( |
| 21:11.59 | unum | keldwud: I think you interpeted my statement backwards |
| 21:12.02 | fozzmoo | They're just caled creative things like "undocumented residents" |
| 21:12.12 | elg | i.e. I don't think you can talk to fb accounts with random jabber accts. probably because nobody has figured out what that would map to in the web interface. |
| 21:12.21 | elg | but if you got a fb acct... yes |
| 21:12.22 | keldwud | unum, there wasn't much unrest when they ruled about marijuana? |
| 21:12.29 | unum | "all other peoples" I believe was the term they used |
| 21:12.45 | keldwud | I was pointing out that unrest over the gun law would be of a different nature |
| 21:12.47 | sjansen | elg: It isn't? Okay, I take it bake. You're even more evil than you were before. |
| 21:12.49 | Jayce^ | case law is just a legal basis of "pushing the envelope".. everybody goes just 1 farther than the last time.. |
| 21:12.50 | keldwud | and more emotionally charged |
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| 21:12.52 | fozzmoo | When they ruled on marijuana, everyone was like, "Dang, man. Here, have one of these. It'll take the edge off." |
| 21:13.04 | unum | keldwud: when the courts ruled the federal government would continue to arrest people who only used marijuana in california |
| 21:13.21 | keldwud | unum, ooh, I *did* read it backwards. Sorry :) |
| 21:13.29 | unum | keldwud: oh you mean because the gun people are violent and the marijuana people aren't? |
| 21:13.31 | sjansen | Might as well have just created your own stupid protocol if you're not going to federate. |
| 21:13.33 | unum | oh |
| 21:13.35 | unum | ok |
| 21:13.54 | fozzmoo | sjansen: They did. |
| 21:13.57 | keldwud | unum, nooo. I wasn't claiming that gun people are violent. I'm claiming that people have more fear associated with guns than they do with weed |
| 21:14.11 | keldwud | also, didn't the feds finally give up on california? |
| 21:14.12 | fozzmoo | Then they created an XMPP layer on top of their student protocol. :) |
| 21:14.12 | sjansen | ~lart FB |
| 21:14.12 | ibot | takes out a cattle prod and gives FB a good jolt |
| 21:14.21 | keldwud | now that there are 13 states on board with legalized thc? |
| 21:14.24 | fozzmoo | s/student/stupid/ |
| 21:14.33 | unum | keldwud: obama decided that he didn't care about marijuana in california |
| 21:14.45 | keldwud | I thought they laid off long before obama came into office |
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| 21:14.48 | unum | so part of it depends on weather or not he decides to enforce the gun laws |
| 21:14.53 | keldwud | I'm talking, three years ago |
| 21:14.54 | tensai | sjansen: it's *better* than before and leaves open the possibility of federation |
| 21:15.10 | keldwud | or even before that |
| 21:15.42 | fozzmoo | Anyway- I don't think the feds are gonna take on the "tenthers" (as they've decided to call them) |
| 21:15.47 | elg | gmail wasn't federated at first either. i have no idea if we're planning on/open to/opposed to federating in the future |
| 21:15.48 | Jayce^ | unum: batfe has already sent letters stating they will ingore state laws and enforce their own regulations.. which is what will start the cases |
| 21:15.49 | keldwud | still basing it on my assumption that the feds gave up because it was easy to prosecute Californians, but once other states jumped on board, they realized how much money it would take to go after all 13 states |
| 21:15.51 | fozzmoo | In true Alinsky style, I might add. |
| 21:15.56 | unum | nope it was still happenning after obama took office |
| 21:16.02 | unum | I can send you links if you want |
| 21:16.03 | elg | but theoretically, we could do it down the road. |
| 21:16.19 | keldwud | unum, I believe you |
| 21:16.21 | elg | the more use xmpp gets now, the more likely that may be. so sign up for fb. ;-) |
| 21:16.25 | sjansen | Or it's a cynical power grab. Another step in Zuckerberg's meglomaniacal plot for total world subjugation. |
| 21:16.31 | fozzmoo | In theory, ICE is still going after illegal aliens since Obama has taken office, but only as much as they have to in order to justify their existence. |
| 21:16.34 | keldwud | I was just basing my speculation on anecdotal evidence |
| 21:16.43 | unum | keldwud: california is bigger than those 13 states combined |
| 21:16.45 | keldwud | from what I've heard through gossip and such |
| 21:17.01 | keldwud | it sounded like the raids had become fewer and farther between |
| 21:17.20 | elg | or it could just be wanting to support chat in standalone clients and seeing XMPP as the obviously superior path. |
| 21:17.22 | fozzmoo | Because the people doing the raids got high. |
| 21:17.22 | unum | http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/05/dea-led-by-bush-continues-pot-raids/ |
| 21:17.27 | keldwud | zuckerberg > google in world domination? |
| 21:18.04 | unum | well anyways. the courts ruled with the feds |
| 21:18.39 | keldwud | yeah, I remember that bit |
| 21:18.43 | Jayce^ | whimpers.... Not only do I get stuck with the "here's another xml api for you to work with.." the test data is all in a locked up pdf :( |
| 21:18.51 | sjansen | elg: From today until the end of your employment with FB, I want you start every meeting at work by saying "My dear, dear friend sjansen, whom I admire greatly, thinks we should federate our chat and I don't want to disappoint him. How quickly can we get it done?" |
| 21:19.00 | keldwud | like I said, I just assumed that the raids were becoming fewer |
| 21:19.05 | keldwud | not stopped altogether |
| 21:19.09 | elg | can I make it into an acronym? |
| 21:19.12 | keldwud | just kind of.. petering out |
| 21:19.13 | elg | and just write it on the whiteboard? |
| 21:19.29 | jsmith | Jayce^: pdftohtml -xml is your friend :-) |
| 21:20.02 | Jayce^ | yeah, it came out funky :/ but I'm trying to clean it up |
| 21:20.22 | unum | they didn't just peter out Obama ordered them to end |
| 21:20.26 | keldwud | fun fact: many of the voice actors we are familiar with from childhood were also successful stand-up comedians |
| 21:20.35 | jsmith | Jayce^: I can't tell you how many times I've done that, then taken the resulting XML and processed it to get the data I needed |
| 21:20.48 | jsmith | Jayce^: (Nothing like the ancient oriental art of data massage) |
| 21:21.00 | Jayce^ | munging :) |
| 21:21.12 | Jayce^ | thankfully I have perl by my side :-D |
| 21:21.25 | fozzmoo | unum: In response to your assertion that Jayce doesn't know what he's talking about... can you cite something that proves precedent was a major part of judiciary decisions prior to the Wilson administration... |
| 21:21.57 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: there were a couple before wilson, it did take a little bit to become standard.. but there was a switch |
| 21:22.04 | unum | fozzmoo: absolutely! |
| 21:22.20 | tensai | elg: I was considering installing a jabber server or maybe a sip proxy so I could chat w/ my wife. fb xmpp should solve that problem. |
| 21:22.21 | unum | maybe I misunderstood the question |
| 21:22.22 | Jayce^ | as compared to natural law, which we know is how it started |
| 21:22.23 | fozzmoo | Roscoe Pound was one of the early leaders of the Legal Realism movement which urged law students to disregard constitutionality and study precedent and "public interest" |
| 21:22.23 | pashdown | stop saying "peter out" you're making my irssi light up. :-) |
| 21:22.38 | fozzmoo | pashdown! |
| 21:22.43 | fozzmoo | We need to get Google on UTOPIA! |
| 21:22.44 | keldwud | what!? optimus prime = eeyore!? I never knew that they had the same voice actor. |
| 21:22.52 | unum | are you saying that precedent was not part of the process of making a ruling in the US court system prior to wilson? |
| 21:22.52 | pashdown | can't stick around :-) |
| 21:22.55 | pashdown | adios |
| 21:23.01 | Jayce^ | keldwud: I have a totally newfound respect for eeyore! |
| 21:23.10 | elg | tensai: sweet |
| 21:23.18 | keldwud | now that I think about it, I can hear the similarities |
| 21:23.37 | keldwud | contemplate it and you, too, will hear the resemblance |
| 21:23.55 | fozzmoo | unum: I'm saying that prior to the Legal Realism movement of the early 20th century, laws were judged based on their constitutionality and not their practical, pragmatic merits or their impact on "public interest." |
| 21:24.26 | keldwud | looks like somebody did the hard work for me |
| 21:24.27 | keldwud | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e-u1xWmh5A |
| 21:24.44 | fozzmoo | Incidentally, Roscoe Pound received a medal from the Nazi govt in 1934 for his "enlightened" views of the law. |
| 21:25.04 | Jayce^ | xsd's... in the pdf.... shoot me now |
| 21:25.20 | sjansen | Hilbert's Law! |
| 21:25.25 | sjansen | No, wait... |
| 21:25.33 | sjansen | Beck's Law! |
| 21:25.37 | sjansen | No, wait... |
| 21:25.45 | sjansen | fozzmoo's a nazi! |
| 21:25.45 | keldwud | I'm only talking about cartoons to hide my shortcomings in the current political discussion ;) |
| 21:25.53 | sjansen | There we go. |
| 21:25.58 | keldwud | sjansen - godwin's? |
| 21:26.17 | Jayce^ | keldwud: doesn't matter, that rocked |
| 21:26.26 | keldwud | I think that it describes your last statement quite well. :) |
| 21:26.33 | sjansen | keldwud: No need to bring religion into this debate; fozzmoo has already conceded. |
| 21:26.41 | unum | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughter-House_Cases |
| 21:26.53 | unum | if you read under resolution by the court |
| 21:27.05 | keldwud | wait, nazi'ism isn't a religion? |
| 21:27.08 | unum | they talk about ruling based off of the justices belief of the intent of the law |
| 21:27.32 | sjansen | keldwud: If you want to keep up with me, I suggest reading lots of Vonnegut. |
| 21:28.06 | sjansen | And perhaps a touch of Herman. |
| 21:28.24 | unum | intent of the ammmendment I mean |
| 21:28.32 | unum | not based off of it actually words |
| 21:28.38 | keldwud | Jayce^, if that excited you; I was listening to my friend's playlist the other day and Peter Cullen's voice appeared, reading the description for TSR's DungeonMaster's guide |
| 21:28.40 | ^Migs^ | http://dontevenreply.com/view.php?post=84 |
| 21:28.42 | sjansen | He said "intent"! That's today's magic word! |
| 21:28.45 | sjansen | ~scream |
| 21:28.46 | ibot | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 21:28.50 | keldwud | I had a nerdgasm |
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