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| 00:37.12 | eightyeight | elg: is there a mailing list, or is it all on facebook? |
| 00:37.33 | eightyeight | tbh- i hadn't thought of keeping my feet together, but it makes sense. i'll have ot give that a shot sunday |
| 00:38.14 | elg | eightyeight: neither |
| 00:39.07 | elg | we're doing the office mailing list style. reply-all. but that don't mean you can attach a word document. |
| 00:39.17 | eightyeight | heh |
| 00:39.17 | eightyeight | ok |
| 00:39.50 | elg | i could set up an entry in /etc/aliases on my server, or we could make a real list somewhere... if the need arises |
| 00:40.31 | eightyeight | nah. i was just curious |
| 00:40.51 | eightyeight | didn't want to me missing the discussion, if such organization existed |
| 00:41.29 | elg | you should have gotten/be getting a bunch of spam with the history |
| 00:42.23 | eightyeight | yeah. saw it |
| 00:43.04 | elg | able to read them? i see gmail doesn't make them easily readable (bcc) |
| 00:43.10 | elg | but thunderbird does |
| 00:43.32 | elg | so if libfoo depends on libbar, and baz depends on libfoo |
| 00:43.57 | elg | when compiling baz do I need -lfoo -lbar, or -lbar -lfoo, or just -lfoo? |
| 00:44.58 | eightyeight | i can read them fine. i'm using thunderbird |
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| 16:41.24 | pashdown | check out xmission's new stackable hosting product. http://stackable.com - invite@stackable.com |
| 16:46.16 | goozbach | nice! |
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| 16:59.16 | tensai | elg: http://www.swordandlaser.com/home/2009/11/19/interview-with-brandon-sanderson-the-sl-podcast-025.html |
| 17:07.32 | levi | Woot, drove my Vanagon to work today. It's fun. :) |
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| 18:05.26 | sjansen | http://www.vanagon.com/media/syncro/index.htm |
| 18:12.42 | levi | Syncro Vanagons are awesome. Unfortunately, mine is 2wd, but it's got good ground clearance and all-terrain tires. |
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| 18:19.52 | levi | It's also a full camper, with the pop top, stove, sink, and fridge. |
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| 18:40.03 | fadein | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmv8quf_xM |
| 18:40.37 | fadein | I wish linux came with a program like "tracert". It looks rlly 1337 |
| 18:44.10 | jsmith | ~troll fadein |
| 18:44.11 | ibot | ACTION hereby declares fadein a troll |
| 18:47.31 | JoshH | fadein, have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfUHAgm__Cg |
| 18:57.42 | goozbach | here's a question which I hope someone has an answer to... |
| 18:58.10 | goozbach | what do you all use for film canisters now that everything is digital? |
| 18:58.25 | goozbach | my cache of film canisters is running out |
| 18:58.36 | goozbach | I've been using them for mini project boxes for a long time |
| 18:59.57 | JoshH | the answer is that everything is digital |
| 19:00.15 | JoshH | and film canisters no longer exist |
| 19:00.59 | goozbach | JoshH: I know |
| 19:01.15 | goozbach | what do you use in lue of the canisters |
| 19:01.29 | JoshH | personally, nothing |
| 19:01.41 | JoshH | i really can't tell you anythign useful, sorry |
| 19:01.50 | goozbach | I need a smallish, waterproof, semi-disposable, re-openable, cheap plastic container |
| 19:02.05 | goozbach | preferably opaque |
| 19:03.45 | JoshH | i've used empty prescription bottles for various things |
| 19:04.07 | JoshH | not fully waterproof, but close enough for my needs |
| 19:04.36 | jsmith | goozbach: http://www.sciencebobstore.com/products.php?product=Bulk-Film-Canisters-for-Rockets |
| 19:05.20 | jsmith | goozbach: Don't you know people use them for rockets? |
| 19:06.07 | goozbach | 1ohh |
| 19:06.11 | goozbach | jsmith: maybe... |
| 19:07.15 | jsmith | goozbach: The ones on the site I pointed you at weren't opaque, but you should be able to buy opaque ones in bulk as well |
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| 19:08.31 | goozbach | aparently you can get them from places which "develop film" |
| 19:08.43 | goozbach | do you guys know where I can find that type of store? |
| 19:11.49 | jsmith | goozbach: Ask at your local CVS/walgreens |
| 19:11.54 | jsmith | goozbach: They may just give you a bunch |
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| 19:51.51 | fadein | JoshH: ha ha ha |
| 19:52.42 | fadein | JoshH: I could never stand Leo LaPorte |
| 19:54.28 | fadein | although, this clip is actually legit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkLtXfsPqVQ&NR=1 |
| 20:14.59 | goozbach | Jayce^: http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2010/02/exception.html |
| 20:34.01 | Jayce^ | saw that in your share, *loved* it |
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| 20:45.17 | sjansen | Why is there so much more whining about spending when Democrats are in control even though Republicans have been done the most to increase the deficit in recent history? |
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| 20:59.41 | Jayce^ | sjansen: because we didn't like it then either, but actually there is more more, and at a much more rapid pace recently |
| 21:02.48 | elg | here's a fun mystery, sjansen et al |
| 21:02.56 | elg | http://pastie.org/809957 vs http://pastie.org/809959 |
| 21:03.23 | elg | why does the first work but the second does not? config.log has the right number of quote marks, and cut and pasting from config.log the command works |
| 21:03.48 | elg | (obviously the first wouldn't work in the presence of spaces" |
| 21:04.47 | sjansen | Jayce^: http://factcheck.org/2010/02/a-texas-size-whopper/ |
| 21:07.55 | Jayce^ | the cbo has also admitted that of the savings they are accounting for, some are triple counted |
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| 21:07.58 | rsimpkins | I'd love to join a "makers" club. A place where I can pay $xx and get access to test equipment, components, work with others on projects, etc. |
| 21:08.02 | Jayce^ | among other details |
| 21:09.13 | sjansen | elg: So if I understand correctly, the second command produces the output you expect but that output doesn't do what you expect? |
| 21:09.19 | elg | yup |
| 21:09.23 | rsimpkins | What I really want is a place where I can go that has all the stuff to buy/rent/use/borrow to build interesting things. |
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| 21:11.45 | goozbach | rsimpkins: there's a place here in Atl like that |
| 21:11.50 | goozbach | Freesideatl.org |
| 21:11.55 | goozbach | $80/month |
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| 21:12.49 | elg | sjansen: http://pastie.org/809981 is the "expected output" |
| 21:12.50 | rsimpkins | I wonder if there is enough interest in Salt Lake to do somethin glike that. |
| 21:13.31 | Jayce^ | elg: did you feel that one? http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Maps/US10/37.47.-130.-120.php |
| 21:13.47 | rsimpkins | We need a salt lake city hacker space too. I was listening to a story on NPR about one near Detroit. |
| 21:14.04 | sjansen | elg: I'm not surprised it doesn't work. It's a result of the steps Bash follows to tokenize a line. RH has a great slide in their courseware, I'm trying to find an equivalent I can share. |
| 21:14.06 | elg | I realize it's a bit fuzzy what happens in between, but not having a PhD in decrypting autotools shell scripts... |
| 21:14.24 | rsimpkins | They had various gear there, and actually made a little money to prototype things for people - which paid to keep the lights on. |
| 21:14.30 | elg | Jayce^: no |
| 21:14.41 | sjansen | Basically, the problem is you're trying to create an array using just a string. |
| 21:17.22 | elg | technically i'm trying to create a string |
| 21:17.58 | elg | but i'll play along for the explanation |
| 21:18.22 | elg | (trying to create a fake array as a string from another fake array as a string) |
| 21:19.25 | sjansen | Maybe what you're doing is appropriate. I don't know that deep, dark magic autotools might contain. But in a sane script here's the problem you're having: |
| 21:19.55 | sjansen | You're basically running: gcc '-I"/foo/bar/baz"' foo.c |
| 21:20.10 | sjansen | So gcc thinks the double quotes are part of the actual file name. |
| 21:20.20 | sjansen | Unless autotools is doing something to compensate. |
| 21:20.46 | elg | gotcha. and if a path had a space i'd be running gcc '-I"/foo' 'bar/baz"' foo.c |
| 21:21.45 | rsimpkins | If we could get 30 people to pay $60/mo, a hacker space would be viable. Now, I'd guess there would be maybe 8 people who would actually do it - so SLC is probably 22 people short. |
| 21:21.58 | sjansen | Short of switching to a real language, I don't know how to fix your problem. (And frankly I don't want to learn.) |
| 21:22.21 | rsimpkins | $720 a year is a lot to ask of most geeks 'round these parts. |
| 21:22.31 | elg | good enough for me. I'll just not be defensive about the possibility of spaces |
| 21:22.39 | sjansen | rsimpkins: Hacker space? How is that different from http://betaloftslc.com/ ? |
| 21:23.27 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Probably not. |
| 21:25.21 | JoshH | they have wifi at most bars in slc, that should cover it |
| 21:25.22 | rsimpkins | sjansen: I guess I was imagining something more industrial. A place for the builders. |
| 21:25.38 | Jayce^ | sjansen: think he means hardware/toy hacking, not coworking environment for actual productivity |
| 21:25.54 | rsimpkins | Yup. |
| 21:26.16 | rsimpkins | If someone breaks out a torch and starts cutting metal - that might disrupt a co-working type setup. |
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| 21:26.55 | Jayce^ | as a kind, when we lived on base, they had various shops of this type for personell... AV, small machine, car, etc.. |
| 21:27.03 | Jayce^ | had all the basic tools you'd need, and workspaces |
| 21:27.14 | Jayce^ | my dad used it to build the tv we had growing up |
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| 21:27.26 | rsimpkins | That'd be awesome. |
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| 21:28.03 | Jayce^ | k, who's got jsmith's phone #... |
| 21:28.14 | goozbach | Jayce^: I may... |
| 21:28.21 | goozbach | what's it worth to you> |
| 21:28.22 | Jayce^ | figured you might :) |
| 21:28.23 | goozbach | ? |
| 21:28.36 | Jayce^ | just was going to poke him to stop his join/part |
| 21:28.56 | goozbach | I don't have it |
| 21:29.14 | goozbach | dang |
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| 21:40.01 | Jayce^ | well, that one was longer :) |
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| 21:46.11 | fozzmoo | jsmith: ping |
| 21:46.21 | jsmith | fozzmoo: pong |
| 21:46.30 | jsmith | is sorry for the IRC noise... fighting a crashing IRC proxy |
| 21:48.37 | tensai | jsmith: *ahem* ctrlproxy *ahem* |
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| 22:59.46 | tensai | my son's new favorite game. http://live.gnome.org/Same%20Gnome |
| 23:00.40 | jsmith | tensai: My kids have been playing that since they were little squirts |
| 23:01.00 | tensai | it's amazing how much fun a simple, yet well designed game can be |
| 23:21.32 | sjansen | Argh. |
| 23:22.45 | sjansen | I'm trying to find out evidence that someone has combined Canonical's Storm and Facebook's Tornado. Not exactly a great pairing of search terms. :-( |
| 23:28.52 | jsmith | sjansen: There's a comment here suggesting it's been done: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=815681 |
| 23:30.24 | jsmith | sjansen: The guy who posted that is @mqudsi on twitter |
| 23:34.15 | sjansen | You're suggesting I contact him? Almost you convince me to create a twitter account. |
| 23:34.26 | sjansen | But not quite. |
| 23:34.32 | sjansen | Okay, actually, not at all. |
| 23:35.53 | sjansen | mecworks is trying to comment but getting "#utah :Cannot send to channel". Anyone know why? |
| 23:37.41 | tensai | mecworks: try typing louder |
| 23:37.57 | tensai | sjansen: I think goozbach knows the answer |
| 23:38.46 | toofer | Do you have to registered with Freenode to comment? |
| 23:39.19 | JoshH | some channels make you register and identify to join, but i haven't heard of needing it to send to channel |
| 23:39.22 | toofer | I know that's the situation for a few channels. |
| 23:39.29 | JoshH | and we don't need voice here |
| 23:41.14 | sjansen | (04:40:26 PM) Mecworks: Tell the world hi for me |
| 23:45.10 | sojourner | hey, human proxy irc, how efficient! ;) |
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| 23:53.12 | jsmith | sjansen: Well, I had to try :-) To be honest, I was surprised you'd try anything connected with both Canonical and Facebook :-p |