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| 00:10.05 | ksaisjja | ~chuckfact |
| 00:10.06 | ibot | When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris |
| 00:22.26 | eightyeight | sjansen: i'll save you from embarassment: http://www.dallasobserver.com/content/printVersion/1653972 |
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| 00:24.39 | sjansen | embarrassment? I decided to let them as cared deal with the print dialog themselves, and them as didn't clink the links or use that funky Firefox plugin. |
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| 01:28.44 | ksaisjja | toofer works for Verio |
| 01:28.45 | ksaisjja | lmao |
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| 01:29.17 | ksaisjja | ~run |
| 01:29.18 | ibot | ACTION runs around in circles screaming "My pants are blue!!!" |
| 01:45.23 | goozbach | http://comics.com/f_minus/2008-05-19/ |
| 01:45.45 | goozbach | for all you facial hair freaks out there |
| 02:25.21 | blendmaster1024 | anyone here netfilter/iptables pros? |
| 02:25.39 | fozzmoo | blendmaster1024: Depends. what's up? |
| 02:25.58 | blendmaster1024 | i need to set up what commercial home routers call "dmz hosting" |
| 02:26.17 | fozzmoo | You have one public IP? |
| 02:26.22 | blendmaster1024 | yes |
| 02:26.31 | blendmaster1024 | already got ipmasq all working |
| 02:26.43 | fozzmoo | You want to forward incoming traffic to a specific machine behind the fw? |
| 02:26.47 | blendmaster1024 | yes |
| 02:27.02 | fozzmoo | That's handled by the PREROUTING chain of the nat table. |
| 02:27.05 | blendmaster1024 | i actually have two boxes doing routing - one is the qwest routing |
| 02:27.10 | blendmaster1024 | fozzmoo, so dnat? |
| 02:27.25 | fozzmoo | Yes. |
| 02:27.45 | blendmaster1024 | i also want to make sure that no connections get made to the router box itself from outside but that the inside can still access the webserver on it |
| 02:28.01 | blendmaster1024 | all right ... /me "flips" through iptables docs |
| 02:28.43 | fozzmoo | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d <public_ip> --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.0.0.5:80 |
| 02:28.52 | herlo | whee! |
| 02:29.09 | fozzmoo | Then, you can set up a filter table rule that allows connections from the LAN to the fw: |
| 02:29.42 | fozzmoo | Eeek. |
| 02:29.50 | blendmaster1024 | fozzmoo, that rule will only affect connections coming in? |
| 02:29.51 | fozzmoo | I forgot '-m tcp' |
| 02:29.57 | sjansen | Urgh! |
| 02:30.15 | blendmaster1024 | why? what's wrong with all protocols? |
| 02:30.40 | sjansen | -m is required with any --option |
| 02:30.50 | fozzmoo | http://danielmiessler.com/images/DM_NF.PNG |
| 02:31.01 | fozzmoo | You can't reference a port unless you're talkign udp or tcp |
| 02:31.12 | blendmaster1024 | oh you said port 80 |
| 02:31.15 | blendmaster1024 | i want all ports |
| 02:31.19 | sjansen | -p tcp # port |
| 02:31.22 | sjansen | -m tcp # module |
| 02:31.28 | sjansen | s/port/protocol/ |
| 02:31.32 | fozzmoo | Oh right. -m is a match |
| 02:31.40 | fozzmoo | -p is protocol. |
| 02:31.53 | fozzmoo | match module. |
| 02:32.00 | blendmaster1024 | aaanyway |
| 02:32.03 | fozzmoo | Well, I suppose you coudl do a blanket PREROUTING rule... |
| 02:32.08 | blendmaster1024 | yes |
| 02:32.11 | blendmaster1024 | exactly |
| 02:32.25 | blendmaster1024 | i want any and all incoming packets sent to my internal box |
| 02:32.27 | fozzmoo | The only thing is, you also have to set up an INPUT rule in the filter table to allow all. |
| 02:32.37 | blendmaster1024 | i already have that |
| 02:32.42 | sjansen | Only if you have multiple public IPs. Otherwise you'll never be able to talk to that box again. |
| 02:32.56 | blendmaster1024 | sjansen, what? |
| 02:33.02 | fozzmoo | input -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.0.0.5 |
| 02:33.10 | fozzmoo | (where eth0 is your external interface) |
| 02:33.14 | blendmaster1024 | yeah got that |
| 02:33.42 | sjansen | If you're forwarding _all_ packets, you'll never be able to SSH into the FW again unless it has multiple IPs. |
| 02:33.45 | fozzmoo | blendmaster1024: you may want to consider shorewall. :) |
| 02:33.57 | fozzmoo | It makes expressing these sorts of things much more sane. |
| 02:33.58 | sjansen | Ignore the public qualifier. Shouldn't have been there. |
| 02:34.07 | blendmaster1024 | sjansen, i don't want to ssh into the firewall box from outside |
| 02:34.16 | blendmaster1024 | it's my main box i want to ssh into |
| 02:35.01 | blendmaster1024 | and if i need to get to that box, i'll ssh into the desktop and then go from there |
| 02:35.30 | fozzmoo | blendmaster1024: You see that link I posted a few lines up? |
| 02:35.34 | fozzmoo | http://danielmiessler.com/images/DM_NF.PNG |
| 02:35.53 | fozzmoo | One of the best diagrams I've seen that explains how iptables works. |
| 02:35.56 | blendmaster1024 | i know about that |
| 02:36.08 | blendmaster1024 | i already know how the filtering and etc works fairly well |
| 02:36.58 | blendmaster1024 | but i'm just checking before i click fire because i'm not an expert yet: will that make it look like my desktop box |
| 02:37.05 | blendmaster1024 | is at the ip that my router box is? |
| 02:38.50 | blendmaster1024 | hello? anybody home? |
| 02:38.58 | blendmaster1024 | guess not... |
| 02:43.34 | blendmaster1024 | fozzmoo, are you still there? i has another q if you fell like answering |
| 02:44.10 | blendmaster1024 | that is, what if i tell my forward chain to allow all connections in and then do dnat so that all connections in go to my desk box? |
| 02:44.29 | blendmaster1024 | will that allow ... dangerous things? |
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| 05:31.32 | ksaisjja | Can anyone suggest a good entry-level text for Linux? Something uber-beginner I can use to expose some friends of mine to. |
| 05:31.50 | ksaisjja | Most of the books I have found seem to be directed to the administrative or developer level. |
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| 05:46.32 | TimRiker | ksaisjja, Linux in a Nutshell is a good one IMHO. |
| 05:47.12 | toofer | TimRiker, ksaisjja is looking for something way more basic than that. |
| 05:47.26 | toofer | He needs something probably even more basic than linux for dummies. |
| 05:50.54 | ksaisjja | I'll take a peek. One is for my dad, and he's a novice on Windows, but he would like to try learning Linux. |
| 05:56.21 | TimRiker | LinN assumes you have some knowledge of the windows/dos command line commands. I don't know one to recommend that just focuses on the gui. Gnome/KDE/xfce4 for dummies perhaps? hehe. not actually seen one of those. |
| 05:56.35 | TimRiker | er I meant LiaN |
| 05:58.15 | toofer | That's what I was saying that I don't think one actually exists. You may be able to refer to the Ubuntu Community documentation |
| 05:58.28 | toofer | https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/index.html |
| 06:53.45 | TimRiker | amazon shows a linux for dummies and a ubuntu linux for dummies. never read either though. |
| 06:58.57 | TimRiker | the ubuntu one is almost 2 years old. I'd avoid that one. |
| 07:13.17 | ksaisjja | I'll dig around some there. Thanks for the info. |
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| 12:44.15 | eightyeight | how can i route network traffic based on a user? i want all traffic from one sepecific user to go through tun0. all the other users can go through eth0. possible? |
| 13:22.29 | goozbach | eightyeight: there's a user switch for iptables |
| 13:22.37 | goozbach | man iptables search for user |
| 13:22.44 | goozbach | don't quite remember the syntax |
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| 16:43.07 | sjansen | ~lart Python 2.4's sucky print statement |
| 16:43.07 | ibot | squeezes Python 2.4's sucky print statement till Python 2.4's sucky print statement turns blue like papa smurf |
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| 16:53.04 | sjansen | http://www.lala.com/#song/937030201852828640 |
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| 16:55.06 | elg | ~lart bonez2046 |
| 16:55.06 | ibot | follow's bonez2046 with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 16:58.05 | freddy | hello |
| 16:58.14 | freddy | bonez2046: I'm not nick-registered and i'm talking |
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| 16:58.21 | freddy | and now |
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| 18:08.22 | Migs | I hate people who come to me to fix their web sites because they copy/pasted everything from Microsoft Word and now their site just crashes with all the extra garbage MS puts in. |
| 18:08.35 | Migs | then again, they don't know better...the average person doesn't know the hell MS puts me there |
| 18:08.36 | Migs | *me through |
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| 18:23.05 | gate | Migs: welcome to the world of web development. WYSIWYG == evil |
| 18:23.48 | dennis_ubixum | I'm not the one who flipped the breaker :( |
| 18:24.07 | TehLaser | Aren't there automated tools to de-gunk such html? |
| 18:24.30 | tensai | TehLaser: sure. rm -f. :) |
| 18:25.49 | jsmith | tensai: Amen! |
| 18:30.02 | goozbach | xslt! |
| 18:30.19 | goozbach | *shudder* that's *MORE* disturbing than what I said yesterday... |
| 18:30.56 | TehLaser | I was thinking tidyhtml |
| 18:31.11 | TehLaser | er, htmltidy |
| 18:54.12 | jsmith | goozbach: Ah, c'mon.... you're a closet XSLT lover, and you know it |
| 18:55.46 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:56.57 | sjansen | wishes he had children just so he could tell them to stay away from goozbach |
| 18:57.04 | goozbach | sjansen: it meant nothing to me!!! |
| 18:57.10 | goozbach | it was only *ONE* time |
| 18:57.19 | goozbach | well *ONE* time over and over... |
| 18:57.21 | goozbach | I mean... |
| 18:57.33 | goozbach | you'll *NEVER* understand!!! |
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| 19:21.22 | findlay | downloading fedora 12 iso @ 1.2 MiB/s over wireless |
| 19:21.49 | findlay | just another normal day |
| 19:32.30 | fozzmoo | http://failbooking.com/2010/01/24/funny-facebook-fails-kissing-dogs/ |
| 19:39.42 | Migs | http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/1-689x1024.jpg |
| 19:43.23 | findlay | http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/multimedia/gallery/PIA03149.jpg |
| 20:03.38 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/26/funny-pictures-help-just-curious/ |
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| 21:42.49 | tensai | here's a great idea. set a limit of 255 characters in an application, but allow the database field to be 2 billion characters long. |
| 21:43.16 | tensai | then when the database record overflows the application string buffer the application can crash and burn |
| 21:43.17 | fozzmoo | Sure. makes sense to me. |
| 21:43.20 | sjansen | wishes RHEL5 included Python 2.6 :-( |
| 21:43.38 | jsmith | sjansen: You, and everybody else... RHEL5 is just a little too long in the tooth these days |
| 21:43.41 | fozzmoo | sjansen: You and your bleeding edge. |
| 21:44.04 | fozzmoo | jsmith: Would you believe I'm thinking about setting up some Ubuntu boxes?! |
| 21:44.07 | tensai | jsmith: but isn't that why people use rhel? to get the long toothed distro? |
| 21:44.40 | tensai | that or they have more money than sense |
| 21:44.46 | sjansen | tensai: In balance, I'm glad to be using something that's nice and stable. |
| 21:45.07 | jsmith | tensai: No, they do it for the well-tested/well-supported feeling... It doesn't *have* to be old, and in my personal opinion they spent too long deciding when to start on RHEL6 |
| 21:45.20 | sjansen | But every once in awhile the programmer in me wishes he could play with the shiny. |
| 21:45.57 | tensai | is in the middle of upgrading all the servers from etch to lenny |
| 21:46.28 | jsmith | sjansen: That's what things like Fedora and Ubuntu (non-LTS) are for, right? |
| 21:47.36 | sjansen | jsmith: Not in this case. |
| 21:48.21 | jsmith | doesn't pretend to make all the people happy all the time |
| 21:48.32 | jsmith | Especially when sjansen is around :-p |
| 21:48.46 | sjansen | I'm not writing blue sky code that'll some day go live. I'm writing a tool that'll go live as soon as I finish it. |
| 21:49.16 | sjansen | glares at jsmith and quietly demands a pony |
| 21:49.30 | elg | quietly? you ain't gonna get no pony that way |
| 21:49.35 | elg | ~tantrum |
| 21:49.57 | elg | ~tantrum is <action>stomps her foot and loudly demands a pony between sobs |
| 21:49.58 | ibot | elg: okay |
| 21:49.59 | jsmith | sjansen: The pony is in the bike shed, next to your unicorn feed. |
| 21:50.03 | sjansen | elg: Just you wait. When I'm done with jsmith, I'm turing my glare of death on you next. |
| 21:58.50 | blendmaster1024 | http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_os.shtml |
| 22:00.31 | sjansen | blendmaster1024: http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/01/26/1916245/CompTIA-Reneges-Reconsiders-on-Lifetime-Certifications |
| 22:00.53 | blendmaster1024 | AWESOME |
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| 22:10.03 | tensai | Lisa: is that a pony!? |
| 22:10.04 | tensai | Homer: I don't know what Santa left you! I just know his name is Clip-Clop and he loves sugar. |
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| 22:26.47 | sjansen | Open Source FTW! |
| 22:26.59 | goozbach | sjansen: yup |
| 22:27.02 | goozbach | yourls.org |
| 22:27.06 | goozbach | is a good example |
| 22:42.06 | gate | ~tantrum |
| 22:42.07 | ibot | ACTION stomps her foot and loudly demands a pony between sobs |
| 22:42.20 | gate | ~chuckfact |
| 22:42.21 | ibot | Chuck Norris uses Tabasco Sauce for eye drops |
| 22:43.14 | blendmaster1024 | ibot ... her? |
| 22:43.18 | blendmaster1024 | sonce when? |
| 22:43.22 | blendmaster1024 | lol since* |
| 22:50.45 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 22:50.46 | ibot | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 22:50.56 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 22:50.57 | ibot | I'm sexless |
| 22:51.57 | tensai | ~schneierfact |
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| 22:56.50 | *** topic/#utah is logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | Ice Ice Baby |
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| 23:36.54 | sjansen | http://failblog.org/2010/01/26/warning-win/ |
| 23:37.38 | jackman | omg |
| 23:37.41 | jackman | that is awesome |
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| 23:46.37 | fozzmoo | Yes. Good one. |
| 23:46.58 | fozzmoo | I think they need a winblog.org |
| 23:47.05 | fozzmoo | Too bad of the fails are wins. |
| 23:47.22 | fozzmoo | Oh, it already exists. |
