| 00:00.05 | elg | and move root over |
| 00:00.18 | sjansen | *shrug* If you don't have enough storage to do the data shuffle, LVM isn't magic. It makes it possible to achieve better utilization, but it doesn't replace proper isolation. |
| 00:00.18 | elg | then I could move the big disk with its data over to another server? |
| 00:00.40 | elg | so the lesson I'm learning here is never have a vg span a disk |
| 00:00.42 | elg | unless you're a dba. |
| 00:00.52 | elg | span muitiple disks I mean. |
| 00:01.43 | sjansen | Doesn't sound like a very good rule of thumb to me. |
| 00:02.18 | elg | so what isolation planning are you referring to? I thought one of the key advantages to lvm was not having to wring your hands about planning future filesystem sizes |
| 00:05.02 | sjansen | Isolating the OS and application data. |
| 00:05.22 | sjansen | I've read through what you plan, and it sounds like it should work. |
| 00:05.32 | elg | they're isolated. they're in different LVs. |
| 00:06.01 | elg | would you then recommend using a different vg for system vs data? (not trying to be difficult, trying to learn here) |
| 00:06.32 | elg | or, in what situation would you use multiple VGs and why |
| 00:06.35 | sjansen | Let me double check if it's possible to change the PVs used by an LV after the fact. |
| 00:06.39 | tensai | holy cow! my mp3 player has gotten very temperamental. the usb cable has to be plugged in /just so/ or it won't connect. |
| 00:09.31 | elg | I think so, sjansen. /me begins reading http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/recipesplitvg.html |
| 00:09.45 | elg | I did find docs on how to move a volume group to another system. so I think my plan will work. |
| 00:10.15 | tensai | it sounds plausible to me |
| 00:10.21 | tensai | maybe mythbusters could check it out |
| 00:10.34 | elg | I'll be jaime |
| 00:10.40 | elg | sjansen can be adam. |
| 00:10.57 | tensai | harleypig can be carrie |
| 00:11.00 | elg | you can be tory. |
| 00:12.58 | sjansen | Actually, I take it back. Between pvmove -n & vgsplit, you should be able to separate the disks with less trauma. |
| 00:14.01 | sjansen | elg: Looks like you beat me. I didn't know about vgsplit until just now. |
| 00:14.31 | elg | lvm legendary flexibility and make-your-life-easier-once-you-read-the-docs ftw. |
| 00:18.20 | Tene | http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=33340345&ref=sr_list_9&&ga_search_query=gloves+-fingerless+-mittens+-cuffs&ga_search_type=handmade&ga_page=89&includes[]=tags&includes[]=title -- wtf... |
| 00:20.00 | sjansen | elg: Do you have access to virtualization? I'd practice the split before doing it. |
| 00:20.17 | elg | practice is for wusses |
| 00:21.03 | elg | that warning about moving a live lv might scare me enough to do it from a live cd though |
| 00:21.14 | elg | macho men can use live cds can't they? |
| 00:44.54 | sjansen | Dunno. Might have to use a recovery CD just to keep up appearances. |
| 00:45.32 | elg | I think I can make it work if I claim the live CD is my backup. real men don't need more than an installation cd for backups. |
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| 01:41.11 | sontek | sontek: |
| 01:43.48 | sontek | how do you check out old a factoid is? |
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| 05:08.11 | sontek | fozzmoo is always here! |
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| 15:48.34 | blendmaster1024 | does anybody know iptables and routing well enough to help me troubleshoot a routing problem? |
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| 16:33.51 | harleypig | Does anyone know of a way to modify gmails layout? I'd like to force it to 3 columns, and give the outer columns about 20% of the available space. |
| 16:41.01 | Jayce^ | tensai: which IPC is that using? have you tried comparing to something liek memcache? |
| 16:42.12 | Jayce^ | or is that just the 3.0 version you mention? |
| 16:44.15 | harleypig | chuck norris lives in a roundhouse |
| 16:45.35 | goozbach | hah |
| 16:45.36 | fungus | harleypig, you can use custom stylesheets, or something like greasemonkey |
| 16:46.09 | fungus | but it's probably gonna be ugly |
| 16:47.21 | harleypig | fungus: in terms of making it work, or the finished product? |
| 16:47.35 | fungus | in terms of making it work |
| 16:47.49 | fungus | and the finished product if you don't do well... :) |
| 16:48.01 | harleypig | :] |
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| 16:56.07 | whiteinge | harleypig: have you seen the three-column layout in gmail labs? (it's under settings) It won't do the 20% thing but it may be a good way to start. |
| 16:56.22 | harleypig | ouch ... searching through userscripts.org and ran across and autoFetcher script, but I parsed it as 'autoFeltcher' at first. |
| 16:56.39 | harleypig | whiteinge: I thought I saw it once, but I don't see it now. |
| 16:56.42 | harleypig | checks again |
| 16:57.25 | harleypig | Yeah, it's not there. |
| 16:58.42 | harleypig | I've got the right-side chat turned on, but that only moves the chatbox to the right. |
| 16:59.01 | whiteinge | Weak. I wonder why they removed it. :( |
| 17:01.22 | harleypig | didn't want to support too many different layouts probably |
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| 17:35.01 | levi | Arg, my mythtv backend is driving me nuts. It keeps hanging for no apparent reason. |
| 17:38.25 | elg | because it hates you, obviously |
| 17:38.33 | elg | did you buy it chocolate? |
| 17:38.45 | levi | Nope. Maybe it wants another hard drive. |
| 17:38.52 | elg | poll of the day: what shrinkable filesystem would you use for mythtv data? |
| 18:09.16 | harleypig | http://code.google.com/p/gmail-greasemonkey/wiki/GmailGreasemonkey10API |
| 18:21.33 | harleypig | http://www.ecouterre.com/9805/artist-dismembers-barbie-turns-body-parts-into-disturbing-jewelry/ |
| 18:28.39 | elg | nice |
| 18:46.25 | harleypig | What do you call an uncircumcised Jedi? |
| 18:46.39 | Jayce^ | runs |
| 18:46.40 | harleypig | Foreskinsitive |
| 18:47.38 | harleypig | http://thatwillbuffout.com/2010/01/14/funny-car-photos-how-appropriate/ That's better than a doughnut shop! |
| 18:52.27 | sontek | The town I grew up in has a doughnut shop completely owned by the police force |
| 18:52.31 | sontek | http://www.copsdoughnuts.com/ |
| 18:52.35 | brac | [Cops & Doughnuts - Clare City Bakery] |
| 18:57.32 | goozbach | harleypig: have you seen youdrivewhat.com? |
| 19:00.24 | sontek | have you seen http://www.latfh.com/ |
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| 19:08.58 | sjansen | http://www.krisbuytaert.be/blog/anybody-else-confused-about-chef <-- Since when does a project have a claim on anyone's work instead of creating a competing solution? |
| 19:13.11 | sjansen | http://blog.loftninjas.org/2009/01/16/configuration-management-with-chef-announced/ <-- Okay, here's why the Puppet developers acted someone broke into their house, stole their food and kicked their dog on the way out. |
| 19:38.03 | elg | loses interest when it fails to become apparent what puppet or chef actually are after a few paragraphs |
| 19:43.51 | ^Migs^ | http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sheep-gives-birth-to-human-faced-lamb/story-e6freuy9-1225819071357 |
| 19:57.35 | goozbach | elg: configuration management tools |
| 19:57.47 | goozbach | ie, this file should always have this content and these permissions |
| 19:57.58 | elg | i saw that buzzword |
| 19:58.11 | elg | chmod -w |
| 19:58.25 | goozbach | elg: it's more than that |
| 19:59.01 | goozbach | it's "define what this class of system should look like, and let the chef/puppet daemon make sure all of the servers in that class are compliant" |
| 19:59.05 | elg | i know, i'm being facetious. basically, it's way too meta for me. |
| 19:59.09 | goozbach | I see |
| 19:59.12 | fozzmoo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNjSbvBgV70 |
| 20:00.47 | fozzmoo | (New UTOSC video) |
| 20:00.59 | levi | sjansen: The krisbuytaert.be guy is clearly an idiot. |
| 20:02.15 | levi | "Wah, someone created a new project that does the same thing as my project, which I created to achieve the same goals as a project I previously worked on. I can't understand why anyone would do such a thing?!" |
| 20:03.44 | elg | hehe |
| 20:03.50 | sjansen | elg: Configuration management tools like Puppet, Chef, cfengine, etc. are just as important to responsible system administration as revision control tools like svn or git are to responsible developers. |
| 20:04.17 | levi | elg: Clearly you are an irresponsible system administrator. Repent! |
| 20:04.23 | elg | there's an analogy I can sink my teeth into |
| 20:04.33 | elg | oh absolutely I am |
| 20:04.48 | elg | I never had to manage enough boxes to warrant any of the massive scale sysadmin tools |
| 20:04.51 | elg | so I never learnt them. |
| 20:05.04 | elg | we do use cfengine here I think (not me, but the ops guys) |
| 20:05.33 | elg | until I have to manage a slew of similar boxes I have no plans to repent. |
| 20:07.19 | sjansen | I used to tell myself that. I started repenting a few months ago. Already I'm seeing the benefit, although Puppet is starting to feel like CVS so I'm looking for at least SVN, if not Git. |
| 20:08.04 | JoshH | i used to not care about that either, but when you have tons of boxes, doing installs and configs completely by hand on each one just isn't realistic |
| 20:08.42 | JoshH | these days, i've come to realize that pxe and preseed installations and puppet for configs is awesome |
| 20:08.47 | elg | yeah, I'd definitely break quickly if I had more than oh, say, 4 boxes that weren't completely differen.t |
| 20:10.23 | JoshH | i don't like actually dealing with puppet, but i like what it does. never touched cfengine personally, but i know other guys here tried it out a long time ago |
| 20:10.47 | levi | Well, now you can all go learn about Chef, apparently. |
| 20:11.30 | sjansen | Or Kokki. Or $stuarts_brilliant_idea |
| 20:12.03 | levi | I haven't heard of $stuarts_brilliant_idea, but it sounds unlikely. ;) |
| 20:12.03 | sjansen | (Full Disclosure: Brilliant idea still pending, schedule uncertain.) |
| 20:12.04 | JoshH | i really do hate stupid names for projects |
| 20:12.13 | JoshH | puppet is a good name, kokki is not |
| 20:13.01 | JoshH | not that a good name means it's a good project or anything |
| 20:13.08 | JoshH | i think subversion is a great name, but would never want to use it |
| 20:13.11 | levi | Why is Kokki a stupid name? |
| 20:13.15 | sjansen | cfengine 2 reminds me of rcs. cfengine 3 reminds me of tla. |
| 20:13.33 | JoshH | levi, it just is |
| 20:14.05 | sjansen | Because it's not English, and therefore it's crap. |
| 20:14.07 | levi | Your incisive logical reasoning has won me over, JoshH. It is indeed a stupid name. |
| 20:14.21 | JoshH | sometimes, things really are simple :) |
| 20:14.34 | levi | JoshH is a totally retarded name, too. |
| 20:14.50 | eggyknap | "kokki" seems somehow obscene to me. |
| 20:15.01 | JoshH | well, it's definitely a bad irc nick |
| 20:16.35 | JoshH | but i don't care enough to pick some kind of handle |
| 20:16.35 | sjansen | Not as bad as "Levi". At least "Josh" isn't a throw back to horse and buggies, plagues of locust. |
| 20:16.37 | sjansen | declares everything stupid just to get it over with |
| 20:16.55 | JoshH | levi: if you want actual logic, i'll say that a project name should at least conjure up some kind of image related to what it actually does |
| 20:16.59 | JoshH | puppet does that |
| 20:17.14 | JoshH | kokki just sounds like some random african word similar to ubuntu |
| 20:17.25 | JoshH | or a species of parrot or something |
| 20:17.29 | levi | JoshH: Kokki does to, if you speak Finnish. |
| 20:17.36 | JoshH | but of course, there are tons of names i like that have nothign to do with the project |
| 20:17.58 | eggyknap | Now that levi points out the Finnish-ness of "Kokki", I like it much better. |
| 20:18.01 | JoshH | what does it mean in finnish? |
| 20:18.24 | levi | Cook |
| 20:18.35 | sjansen | Because its based on Chef. |
| 20:18.56 | levi | It took me all of 30 seconds on google to figure this out. |
| 20:19.22 | JoshH | i figured you knew already, since you knew it was finnish |
| 20:19.28 | sontek | Did I just read that JoshH hates finnish people? |
| 20:19.29 | levi | Meanwhile, I've been trying to figure out how 'Levi' is a throwback and 'Josh' is not. |
| 20:19.30 | sjansen | declares google stupid |
| 20:19.38 | sontek | racist! |
| 20:20.03 | levi | JoshH: No, I figured them both out at the same time. |
| 20:20.25 | sontek | JoshH: ಠ_ಠ|
| 20:20.35 | goozbach | nice! |
| 20:20.58 | JoshH | goozbach makes me think of a gremlin composer |
| 20:21.03 | JoshH | sontek sounds like a motherboard maker |
| 20:21.15 | JoshH | sjansen sounds like a james bond villain |
| 20:21.44 | JoshH | levi sounds like a pair of pants, of course |
| 20:21.47 | sjansen | Oh, great, now I'm going to have to kill JoshH since he knows the truth. |
| 20:21.58 | JoshH | and i'm the guy from the ten commandments movie |
| 20:21.59 | sjansen | Such a hassle, and me with a busy schedule already. |
| 20:22.01 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 20:22.45 | levi | They're both really old Hebrew-derived names. |
| 20:22.55 | sontek | I can respect pants, but 10 commandments? pfffttt |
| 20:26.50 | levi | Josh comes from the Hebrew Yehoshua, which was also Jesus's Hebrew name. |
| 20:33.09 | fozzmoo | and fozzmoo? :) |
| 20:37.00 | JoshH | a cow that loves glenn beck |
| 20:38.07 | unum | which ten commandments movie? "the ten"? |
| 20:38.25 | unum | are you the guy that covetted ct scanners? |
| 20:39.45 | levi | I can't say for sure what you were thinking when you came up with it, but it *looks* to have been derived from Fozzy, who was named after puppet builder Franz "Faz" Fazakas, which surname seems to be of Austria-Hungary origin. |
| 20:40.07 | tensai | Jayce^: I believe it's mit shm but I haven't confirmed that. memcached isn't supported until the next version which was just barely released. |
| 20:40.36 | unum | I thought he was naming himself after a muppet |
| 20:40.55 | levi | Fozzy Bear is a muppet, yes. |
| 20:44.58 | unum | or maybe he want to be the fonz but that was already taken |
| 20:44.59 | fozzmoo | can do a good Fozzy Bear |
| 20:45.24 | goozbach | wakawaka |
| 20:48.02 | levi | If you're looking to kit out a machine shop or assembly line, here's the auction for you! http://www.greatamerican.com/auctions/AuctionEventDetails.aspx?EventID=460 |
| 20:52.39 | elg | man these headphones sound so much better and are so much more comfortable |
| 20:52.45 | elg | why did I take so long to bring them from home? |
| 20:52.49 | levi | Which headphones? |
| 20:54.07 | elg | http://www.best-ipod-online.com/images/sennheiser-hd-457.jpg vs http://www.best-ipod-online.com/images/sennheiser-hd-280-pro.jpg |
| 20:54.19 | elg | the grey ones are mine that are more comfortable and sound better. |
| 20:54.30 | elg | the other ones are standard issue here. |
| 20:54.39 | elg | probably because I have a big head and apparently prefer non-sealed cans. |
| 20:54.52 | elg | because I think the black ones are more expensive |
| 20:56.27 | tensai | Jayce^: sorry I was wrong. mit shm is an X extension. kamailio uses sysv ipc. |
| 20:58.13 | elg | used to go by yodler in a previous lif.e |
| 20:58.28 | elg | could type properly then. |
| 21:00.22 | levi | I need to try out the headphones I got for my wife. |
| 21:00.35 | levi | She likes them, but I'm curious how they compare to the ones I've got at work. |
| 21:02.39 | Tene | So, a few weeks ago I slid off the highway on-ramp and bounced off of the retaining wall. |
| 21:02.48 | levi | Oops. |
| 21:02.49 | Tene | wrecked my car. |
| 21:03.15 | elg | ouch |
| 21:03.16 | fozzmoo | So the "bounce" was more destructive than it sounds. |
| 21:03.20 | Tene | Because of that, I've been issued a $120 citation: http://www.le.utah.gov/UtahCode/getCodeSection?code=41-6a-710 1-a-i |
| 21:03.25 | levi | I came close to doing that, but fortunately the tires caught at the last minute. |
| 21:04.05 | elg | that was so helpful of them. |
| 21:04.28 | Tene | I'm a little bit confused about why I need to be fined for that. |
| 21:05.01 | elg | you obviously weren't within your lane if you were bouncing off retaining walls. |
| 21:05.04 | fozzmoo | Tene: It's because, by law, you're responsible for maintaining control of your car regardless of the conditions. |
| 21:05.28 | elg | so you're obviously a lawbreaking hooligan who needs to be fined. |
| 21:05.32 | Tene | Okay. I guess I get that. |
| 21:06.02 | levi | I dunno, sounds like he was 'nearly as practical' within the lane. I mean, staying in your lane isn't very practical when it's iced over. :P |
| 21:06.41 | Tene | Well, it certainly could be argued that nobody else had the same collision in the same spot, so I was doing *something* wrong. |
| 21:07.06 | elg | you were in the wrong spot at the wrong time with the wrong momentum. |
| 21:07.37 | sjansen | is is witness that Tene likes to sit at his desk making vrooom vrooom sounds and pretending to drive recklessly fast |
| 21:08.13 | Tene | I do that ALL THE TIME. |
| 21:08.23 | Tene | So that I get it all out of my system before I actually drive home! |
| 21:08.27 | Tene | It's a safety precaution. |
| 21:09.14 | unum | wow, verisign came out and said that the chinese government was behind the attacks |
| 21:09.40 | sontek | You guys ever raced go karts for a few hours than hopped in your car? now that is dangerous. |
| 21:09.57 | Jayce^ | sontek: mario kart, all the way |
| 21:09.58 | sontek | cars handle so much better than go karts, I always race home afterwards :P |
| 21:23.48 | eightyeight | ugh. virtualbox is behaving weird with mouse integration right now |
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| 21:52.17 | elg | anyone played with tmux? |
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| 21:53.35 | eightyeight | pat robertson is an idiot |
| 21:54.50 | fungus | ~google pat robertson |
| 21:55.17 | fungus | WTF? Haiti cursed by the devel?? |
| 21:55.20 | goozbach | elg: I've compiled it, and turned on the screen keybindings |
| 21:55.24 | fungus | he is an idiot |
| 21:55.26 | goozbach | then ran it for 20min |
| 21:56.22 | elg | and... |
| 21:57.02 | eightyeight | honestly, when i read his comments regarding haiti, i laughed pretty hard |
| 21:57.22 | eightyeight | people don't honestly think this way? ... do they? |
| 21:57.23 | eightyeight | seriously |
| 21:57.30 | goozbach | It's a fancier screen |
| 21:57.36 | goozbach | *shrug* |
| 21:57.42 | goozbach | I went right back to byobu + screen |
| 21:58.04 | eightyeight | then i'm reminded of superdell |
| 21:58.06 | fungus | eightyeight, unfortunately there are |
| 21:58.11 | fungus | lol |
| 21:59.03 | fungus | superdell is more of a joke, than a real evil nasty like Pat Robertson, Michael Savage, and Fred Phelps |
| 21:59.29 | eightyeight | michael savage... why am i familiar with that name? |
| 22:00.36 | fungus | nasty raido personality |
| 22:00.48 | fungus | Savage Nation |
| 22:00.58 | eightyeight | is he the anti-muslim guy? |
| 22:01.08 | fungus | yes, that too, among many other groups |
| 22:01.39 | eightyeight | oh, that's where i know the name- eff |
| 22:01.55 | elg | goozbach: the thing that looks like it might be useful is the client/server model |
| 22:01.58 | eightyeight | they represented cair because he was suing cair for using experts of his show on their site |
| 22:02.09 | eightyeight | moron |
| 22:02.56 | fungus | No, not a moron, evil. superdell is a moron. Those people are evil |
| 22:03.21 | eightyeight | ah, indeed |
| 22:03.21 | fungus | well.. maybe Pat Robertson is just a moron. Don't know enough to judge that one. |
| 22:04.21 | eightyeight | btw, if you want a beautiful quran, hardbound, practically for free: http://explorethequran.com/ |
| 22:23.01 | fadein | why on earth would I want to explore the Koran? that would open me to the possibility of needing to change my mind. |
| 22:23.28 | fadein | And don't spell Koran *their* way, that only emboldens them to hate our freedoms even more |
| 22:24.32 | elg | kind of like when you use emacs keybindings on the command line. |
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| 22:38.00 | synic | sontek: are you going to a conference or something in Miami when you're out there? |
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| 23:09.57 | eightyeight | fadein: what? |
| 23:10.29 | eightyeight | fadein: it's a book. if you believe, it has spiritual signifigance, if you don't believe, it's just another book. either way, i don't care |
| 23:11.29 | sjansen | fadein: I'm pretty sure fadein was employing a rare conversational technique known as "sarcasm". |
| 23:11.40 | sjansen | ~define sarcasm |
| 23:11.41 | ibot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 23:11.49 | sjansen | ~dict sarcasm |
| 23:24.53 | sontek | synic: just visiting some friends from high school |
| 23:35.48 | *** join/#utah blendmaster1024 (n=blendmas@unaffiliated/blendmaster1024) |
| 23:55.34 | fadein | sjansen: sarcasm? only if that's a nuther way of saying "real 'Merican" |
