| 00:00.19 | harleypig | feh |
| 00:00.53 | harleypig | There was an app that would allow one to access a MS Access database from linux ... anyone remember what that was? |
| 00:01.34 | eightyeight | openoffice.org base? |
| 00:01.36 | fugue88 | OpenOffice's DB component might. Or Kexi (the KDE equiv). |
| 00:01.58 | harleypig | oh, thanks. I didn't even think of OO |
| 00:02.06 | harleypig | I'll check out kexi as well |
| 00:02.29 | fugue88 | If OO Base works, it will probably work better than Kexi. |
| 00:03.21 | harleypig | hmmm ... do I need to install oobase separately? |
| 00:03.36 | harleypig | oo<tab><tab> doesn't show anything that looks like a db |
| 00:03.47 | eightyeight | what os? |
| 00:04.02 | harleypig | linux (kubuntu 9.04) |
| 00:04.15 | harleypig | err ... 9.10 |
| 00:04.42 | eightyeight | oobase is provided by openoffice.org-base |
| 00:04.49 | eightyeight | (separate install) |
| 00:05.16 | harleypig | thankx |
| 00:05.24 | harleypig | ... I mean, thanks |
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| 00:06.14 | eightyeight | np |
| 00:06.35 | harleypig | probably need to install mdbtools too |
| 00:07.29 | eightyeight | possibly |
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| 00:09.47 | jalbretsen | darn, I missed the nerd talk |
| 00:11.56 | jalbretsen | eightyeight: Superman Returns was still better than Superman IV. |
| 00:13.07 | eightyeight | remind me about superman iv. was that with richard pryor as the hacker? |
| 00:14.04 | harleypig | oh ... I didn't even need the oobase, mdb-export dumped it to a csv file. Cool. |
| 00:14.16 | harleypig | eightyeight: yeah ... worst superman ever. |
| 00:14.24 | harleypig | wait ... |
| 00:14.31 | harleypig | worst ... superman ... ever |
| 00:14.49 | eightyeight | disagreed. returns was worse |
| 00:14.55 | eightyeight | but iv was bad |
| 00:15.21 | goozbach | I loved superman 3 |
| 00:15.26 | harleypig | eightyeight: superman returns had some decent actors to keep floating down the sewer. |
| 00:15.32 | harleypig | superman iv just lay there festering |
| 00:15.41 | goozbach | only because I didn't know any better |
| 00:15.46 | eightyeight | oh, iii was the hacker with richard pryor |
| 00:16.08 | elg | 3 was awesome as a kid. unwatchable now, but i loved it as a kid |
| 00:16.15 | elg | 4 was always awful. liked returns. |
| 00:16.19 | eightyeight | iv was the nuclear war one |
| 00:16.29 | jalbretsen | 3 was with pryor. 4 was with Radioactive Nuclear man |
| 00:16.47 | eightyeight | harleypig: but at least in iv, it didn't break comic script. superman having a kid with louis lane? seriously?! |
| 00:17.16 | eightyeight | kevin spacey was the only one that kept returns afloat. everyone else in it sucked, _hard_ |
| 00:17.25 | jalbretsen | have any of you rented / bought the Richard Donner cut of Superman II? |
| 00:17.29 | elg | eightyeight: that groundwork was laid in superman 2 |
| 00:17.35 | elg | jalbretsen: I have |
| 00:17.47 | harleypig | I didn't say it was good ... I just said returns was better than IV |
| 00:17.57 | eightyeight | elg: "spent the night with" is different than "slept with" |
| 00:18.08 | elg | oh please. go watch superman 2 again. |
| 00:18.11 | eightyeight | heh |
| 00:18.18 | eightyeight | i admit i haven't seen it in a while |
| 00:18.20 | elg | with your adult eyes this time. |
| 00:18.28 | jalbretsen | I still have a hard time deciding if Superman IV was worse than Transformers 2 |
| 00:18.29 | eightyeight | fair enough |
| 00:18.41 | eightyeight | jalbretsen: heh. both train wrecks |
| 00:18.52 | goozbach | I haven't seen transformers 2 |
| 00:18.55 | goozbach | kinda want to |
| 00:19.00 | jalbretsen | save yourself goozbach |
| 00:19.02 | goozbach | not enough to spend money |
| 00:19.10 | goozbach | fox is hot though |
| 00:19.31 | eightyeight | she looks like a porn star and acts like one |
| 00:19.42 | jalbretsen | if you want to watch Fox running slow-mo way from 'splosions in a movie with no plot, be my guest |
| 00:19.53 | harleypig | transformers were good ... they had little plot, bad acting, but the cgi and the explosions were cool |
| 00:19.56 | eightyeight | and there's no human way to tell which robot is good and which is bad when they tango |
| 00:20.04 | harleypig | and the giant wrecking ball testicles were hilarious |
| 00:20.21 | goozbach | wrecking ball testicles? |
| 00:20.23 | jalbretsen | if the little boy inside you wants to see a live action movie about the cartoon you fondly remember, it has not been made |
| 00:20.24 | goozbach | now i |
| 00:20.31 | goozbach | *HAVE* to watch it |
| 00:20.35 | jalbretsen | no, no you don't |
| 00:20.38 | eightyeight | then there's michael bay's hardon for everything military, and his waste of time in the opening sequences |
| 00:20.40 | harleypig | and there's also Megan Fox |
| 00:21.20 | jalbretsen | if you don't mind getting spoiled: |
| 00:21.22 | jalbretsen | http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php?page=1 |
| 00:21.25 | brac | [Topless Robot - Bonus! Rob's Transformers 2 F.A.Q.s! - Page 1] |
| 00:21.33 | jalbretsen | pretty much sums up what I thought of the movie |
| 00:21.33 | eightyeight | oh, don't forget the f22 that is flying across the ocean to get to the desert, and it takes days, but he can get to the remote planet immediately |
| 00:22.33 | jalbretsen | Bay took everything I didn't like about the first one and said... LET'S DO MORE OF THAT. Humping dogs and robots do not a movie make. |
| 00:25.29 | eightyeight | heh. that review is _spot_ on |
| 00:25.31 | jalbretsen | unfortunately, since my wife was with me and I picked that over Wolverine, I've been forced to pay her pack by watching movies she wants to see ever since. |
| 00:25.32 | eightyeight | hilarious |
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| 00:28.53 | jalbretsen | She's getting sick of me predicting girl movie plots though. They fall in love, he has to go from some reason or another. I look and my wife and say... "He's gonna die". I'm 2 for 2. Poor Ms. Potter didn't get to marry Obi-Wan Kenobi. |
| 00:35.10 | Sargun_Screen | Sometimes I feel like my job is like performing open heart surgery -- except I have no idea what I'm doing -- and the heart is pumping money, not blood. |
| 00:35.56 | sjansen | offers to put Sargun_Screen out of his misery, Transformers 2-style |
| 00:36.06 | Sargun_Screen | sjansen: Oh god, that was a terrible movie,. |
| 00:36.39 | eightyeight | is on an irssi "theme hunt". anyone using anything under than default that they like? |
| 00:36.40 | harleypig | Does anyone know of a downloadable database that will tell me what county a phone number is in? |
| 00:37.00 | sjansen | ~language Sargun_Screen |
| 00:37.01 | ibot | ACTION grabs Sargun_Screen by the ear and washes Sargun_Screen's mouth out with soap |
| 00:37.06 | harleypig | I've found the NANP area code list, but it only has state and area code data, not prefix data. |
| 00:38.18 | sjansen | harleypig: In the age of cell phones, don't you think that's kinda a lost cause? My brother and sister in law have been in Utah for years but still have Utah phone numbers. |
| 00:38.36 | harleypig | sjansen: I agree. however, it's not up to me. |
| 00:38.47 | harleypig | I need to keep getting a paycheck. |
| 00:39.18 | sjansen | "If I tell you a simple way to avoid wasting your money, can I keep half?" |
| 00:39.27 | harleypig | :> |
| 00:40.19 | harleypig | Doing a search on google for npa nxx database just gets me a whole bunch of "let us take your money" sites. |
| 00:43.05 | unum | so I was reading an article where the movie critic for a paper was responding to an letter that stated critics always gave good reviews to movies that no one would want to watch and bad reviews to movies that people actually watched |
| 00:43.37 | unum | the critic pointed out that out of the top 5 grossing movies of the year at that point only transformers had gotten bad reviews |
| 00:43.50 | unum | and boy did it deserve it |
| 00:44.07 | unum | the more I watch movies the more I'm actually coming to appreciate the criticts |
| 00:45.04 | eightyeight | my tastse have generally not aligned with those paid to give reviews |
| 00:47.06 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/funny-pictures-kitten-is-eaten-by-furniture.jpg |
| 00:48.20 | unum | mine get more like them the more movies I watch |
| 00:56.21 | jackman | does anyone have experience with sendxmpp? |
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| 03:12.52 | eightyeight | ~boo |
| 03:12.53 | ibot | for heaven's sake, eightyeight, don't do that! |
| 03:31.39 | sinuhe | ~scared |
| 03:31.45 | sinuhe | Well that was boring |
| 03:32.09 | eightyeight | is very tired |
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| 06:22.33 | tensai | elg: if you like I can scan these organ workshop handouts and email them to you |
| 06:22.42 | elg | sure |
| 06:22.42 | tensai | probably all stuff you already know, but might be interesting for you |
| 06:22.59 | tensai | just gotta remember where I put them... |
| 06:24.49 | tensai | elg: the instructor is on the faculty of byu-i in the organ dept. never heard her play but she seemed quite knowledgeable. |
| 06:27.54 | tensai | elg: she recommended I learn 8 little preludes and fugues. so far it seems to be right around my skill level. should be a nice set of pieces to learn. |
| 06:28.12 | tensai | are you familiar with those? |
| 06:28.12 | elg | what's her name? |
| 06:28.27 | tensai | rebecca parkinson |
| 06:29.46 | elg | I'm familiar with the eight little preludes and fugues yes |
| 06:30.04 | elg | bwv 553-560? |
| 06:30.07 | tensai | yes |
| 06:30.22 | tensai | what do you think of them? |
| 06:30.41 | tensai | musically and for learning |
| 06:31.10 | elg | i think they are used quite often pedagogically |
| 06:31.19 | elg | i think they're a bit boring to listen to. |
| 06:31.27 | elg | i've never learned any of them. |
| 06:31.50 | elg | they're attributed to bach but believed to not be by him. |
| 06:33.12 | elg | "These works continue to be performed frequently in Christian churches because of their short length (about 3 minutes each) and ease of performance compared to the undoubtedly authentic preludes and fugues of J.S. Bach. Nearly all serious students of organ performance learn most, if not all, of these works." (wikipedia) |
| 06:33.42 | tensai | well, duh I already read wikipedia. I was interested in your opinion. |
| 06:34.37 | tensai | didn't really mean that as harshly as it might sound |
| 06:34.44 | elg | although the first one is nice |
| 06:34.55 | tensai | oh, right. I need a ;). that always makes it better. |
| 06:35.09 | elg | wikipedia is simply backing up my awesome opinion |
| 06:35.31 | elg | which is I kept hearing about other more serious (masochistic?) students learning them |
| 06:35.53 | elg | not masochistic because they learned them, but masochistic as in practiced all kinds of crazy hours and learned lots of music. |
| 06:36.11 | tensai | you had me worried there |
| 06:36.44 | elg | I think there's good reason why they're common and you would do just fine to learn them. |
| 06:37.13 | elg | i have a short list of ones I want to learn that I find more musically interesting and probably about the same skill level |
| 06:37.34 | elg | though I'd have to plunk through them to know the skill level. I have a hard time judging that from listening. |
| 06:37.50 | elg | i mean, aside from "more and faster notes are harder" |
| 06:38.09 | elg | some pieces that sound hard are actually quite easy, and vice versa. |
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| 15:33.41 | harleypig | Is anyone active atm ? |
| 15:33.54 | blendmaster1024 | yep |
| 15:34.11 | blendmaster1024 | and any time mr tim can show up.... |
| 15:34.11 | harleypig | I need to figure out how to prevent a specific user from accessing the internet from their account, while still allowing other users to do so. |
| 15:34.38 | blendmaster1024 | easy :) iptables ... wait, on ONE MACHINE??? |
| 15:35.05 | harleypig | blendmaster1024: yes. It's a home computer. One of my kids is doing something they shouldn't be doing and I want to stop them. |
| 15:35.07 | blendmaster1024 | i just did this for multiple machines on the same snat box |
| 15:35.13 | blendmaster1024 | ohhhh ..... |
| 15:36.12 | blendmaster1024 | well... it should be possible... but i don't know at what level... you see, for all i know about that, you may need a patch to the kernel and a recompile |
| 15:36.37 | blendmaster1024 | specifically to make it so that ports 1024+ have a/c |
| 15:36.54 | blendmaster1024 | because that's how you connect |
| 15:37.33 | harleypig | I think I've found it ... looks like iptables will work. |
| 15:38.07 | blendmaster1024 | cool - how? |
| 15:38.22 | harleypig | pre-up iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp -m owner --uid-owner username -j DROP |
| 15:38.36 | blendmaster1024 | i didn't see any per-user controls in the manpage ... but then it's huge for even a manpage |
| 15:38.37 | harleypig | In the appropriate place ... |
| 15:38.55 | blendmaster1024 | cool :) |
| 15:40.14 | harleypig | ahh ... in /etc/network/interfaces ... create an auto eth0 (or, in this case, wlan0) then add that line. Cool |
| 15:42.00 | blendmaster1024 | you may want to test it in a sandbox - i don't think that file can do shell scripting |
| 15:42.09 | blendmaster1024 | i would put it in the networking bootscript |
| 15:42.28 | blendmaster1024 | or make a new bootscript, just for iptables, the way everyone else recommends |
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| 15:49.41 | goozbach | I run the iptables command |
| 15:49.48 | goozbach | then run /etc/init.d/iptables save |
| 15:49.59 | goozbach | (that works on fedora/rhel/centos) |
| 15:50.13 | blendmaster1024 | i don't have a /etc/init.d/iptables on my debian-based systems |
| 15:50.23 | blendmaster1024 | i have to make my own - which i like better anyway |
| 15:50.29 | goozbach | iptables-save may do the same thing on debian IIRC |
| 15:52.13 | blendmaster1024 | oh probably. but i like scripts i can edit and read better. wither one works when you still don't have a preference. |
| 15:52.21 | blendmaster1024 | either* |
| 15:59.47 | harleypig | arghh ... I've got a d-link wireless router to connect the other computers in the house. I'm wired in and I can connect just fine through it, but the other computers lose connection and I can't get them to reconnect for awhile. This started happening about a week ago. |
| 16:00.01 | harleypig | Nothing new has been introduced that I'm aware of. |
| 16:00.12 | harleypig | I can't figure out what's happening, unless the device is going bad. |
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| 16:01.44 | blendmaster1024 | check dhcp. i have my own seperate dhcp server on my network because my router likes to have a very similar problem. |
| 16:01.55 | Jayce^ | or it's just somebody messing with ya again |
| 16:03.41 | harleypig | feh |
| 16:04.06 | harleypig | blendmaster1024: my computer (the one that's wired in) is using the same dhcp server and it's not having any problems. |
| 16:06.17 | harleypig | hmmm ... the repeater seems to be connected |
| 16:06.31 | blendmaster1024 | hmm. different problem then. |
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| 16:59.58 | decriptor | is there a way to find out what the bit size of a ssh pub key is? |
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| 17:04.31 | fugue88 | ssh-keygen -l <keyfile> |
| 17:04.54 | harleypig | http://succeedblog.org/post/330648007 W00T! |
| 17:09.55 | decriptor | fugue88: thanks |
| 17:09.57 | decriptor | harleypig: nice |
| 17:13.26 | harleypig | wonders how long before the uncanny valley is an interesting bit of history instead of something to worry about. |
| 17:24.46 | harleypig | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/10/roxxxy-sex-robot-photo-wo_n_417976.html |
| 17:24.51 | brac | [Roxxxy Sex Robot (PHOTOS): World's First 'Robot Girlfriend' Can Do More Than Chat] |
| 17:24.52 | harleypig | ?! |
| 17:25.27 | harleypig | "Another action, this one unprintable, elicited a different vocal response from Roxxxy the robot." |
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| 17:26.14 | harleypig | Owners will also be able to select different personalities for Roxxxy, from "Wild Wendy" to "Frigid Farrah," Hines said. |
| 17:26.49 | fungus | eww, pervy |
| 17:28.35 | eggyknap | Anyone seen "Lars and the Real Girl"? |
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| 17:29.39 | fungus | I have, that wasn't pervy, it was great |
| 17:30.15 | harleypig | I couldn't sit through it ... I thought it was pretty stupid. |
| 17:30.53 | eggyknap | enjoyed it |
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| 18:14.43 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | Spoon! | Happy National Marzipan Day |
| 18:23.01 | elg | grumble |
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| 18:23.45 | Jayce^ | wow, can tell I haven't been playing with hardware in a long while.. didn't realize intel had a 'Poulsbo' chipset |
| 18:24.01 | Jayce^ | funny that they gave it to an atom chipset |
| 18:25.09 | elg | tensai: uh, I'm not sure where my secret key is. other than one or two computers that are off and/or inaccessible now. |
| 18:25.12 | macnewbold | http://thishelpdesk.com/clash-of-the-fanboys/ |
| 18:25.18 | tristanbob | I am amazed how how tasty a saltine cracker can be. |
| 18:25.33 | macnewbold | tristanbob: totally. they're the favorite food of one of my sons |
| 18:25.52 | elg | they make me gag. |
| 18:26.52 | tristanbob | macnewbold, "usb goes here", lol |
| 18:37.42 | tristanbob | don't tell my wife, but I'm putting taco bell fire sauce inside the homemade chili she made for me. I want to "kick it up a notch." |
| 18:38.47 | JoshH | why not use a hot sauce that's actually good? |
| 18:46.39 | RyanE | I'm guessing "availability" would be why he's not using a 'good' hot sauce. Those stupid taco bell packets are likely in his work lunchroom. :) |
| 18:47.17 | Jayce^ | besides, those packets can be quite tasty in a pinch.. |
| 18:47.31 | Jayce^ | one of the best boxes I ever got on my mission had a few tucked into it |
| 18:47.56 | Jayce^ | did wonders with regular brasilian lunches |
| 18:48.03 | RyanE | So, coming back from CES, I inadvertently left a utility knife in my backpack. Anyone want to guess as to the outcome? |
| 18:48.19 | Jayce^ | TSA brutality? |
| 18:48.24 | goozbach | RyanE: you got a cavity search? |
| 18:48.26 | Jayce^ | they now have your full-body scan to post online? |
| 18:48.42 | Jayce^ | sat in a small room for hours, while they called the the 'specialists' |
| 18:49.15 | RyanE | They either missed it, or ignored it. Passed through security, flew with it in my carry-on, no muss, no fuss. |
| 18:49.21 | Jayce^ | niiiiice |
| 18:49.47 | RyanE | But they did take away my 2 1/2" knife (with a pretty dull blade) a year ago. |
| 18:49.54 | Jayce^ | and I got in big trouble because I had a leatherman squirt once (the scissors one) |
| 18:49.57 | RyanE | and a good multi-tool just after that. |
| 18:50.04 | RyanE | idiots. |
| 18:50.08 | Jayce^ | yeah, I got to mail mine, thankfully |
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| 19:24.31 | fozzmoo | See this? http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=200&sid=9307526 |
| 19:24.34 | brac | [ksl.com - STUDY: Nearly half of soda fountains contaminated with fecal matter] |
| 19:41.41 | rsimpkins | :( everydns got consumed. |
| 19:41.48 | rsimpkins | soooo, lame. |
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| 19:54.33 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins: but by dyn, wonder if that could be good for them |
| 19:54.49 | Jayce^ | I stopped using everydns a while back when they wouldn't support txt |
| 19:58.26 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: That must not have lasted long. They support it today. |
| 19:58.40 | Jayce^ | they didn't for a long time |
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| 20:00.33 | fugue88 | Addition of txt support was relatively recent, last year or so is all, IRCC. |
| 20:00.48 | fugue88 | Jayce^: What DNS providers do you use? |
| 20:00.49 | rsimpkins | My concern is that David, just a bloke with some servers, was less likley to do something evil than a corporation. |
| 20:01.08 | fugue88 | I've been on everydns for a long time and love it. |
| 20:01.12 | Jayce^ | fugue88: a couple, some still stuck on godaddy, some on BH/HM brands.. |
| 20:01.27 | fugue88 | BH/HM? |
| 20:01.43 | Jayce^ | yeah, I really liked everydns, but for a long time I couldn't do txt and srv.. was trying to use google apps |
| 20:01.47 | Jayce^ | bluehost and hostmonster |
| 20:01.55 | fugue88 | ah |
| 20:02.13 | Jayce^ | gotta eat some dog food while I'm working here :/ |
| 20:02.25 | fugue88 | I keep thinking about setting up reciprocal DNS with someone I know, but never get around to it. |
| 20:03.35 | rsimpkins | fugue88: we have the PLUG server that can do that. And I've got a server in a datacenter in san diego. |
| 20:03.39 | rsimpkins | fugue88: Maybe a co-op? |
| 20:03.46 | rsimpkins | utah, california, and some other place? |
| 20:03.58 | fugue88 | Yeah, maybe someday. It's low priority and I'm a procrastinator. :) |
| 20:04.15 | rsimpkins | I bet we could get a little co-op going with a few guys. |
| 20:04.21 | rsimpkins | with a mailing list to manage it. |
| 20:04.32 | fugue88 | Of course, depending on how dyndns treats everydns, it might become a higher priority... |
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| 20:04.57 | fugue88 | I wonder if the domain "everydns2.net" is already taken. |
| 20:04.59 | fugue88 | :) |
| 20:05.16 | rsimpkins | I have access to two servers in two datacenters.... so we really just need a third leg. Preferably on the east coast. |
| 20:05.31 | fugue88 | I have access to one server under my desk. |
| 20:05.35 | rsimpkins | lol |
| 20:05.36 | jsmith | is on the east coast, but doesn't have a server here |
| 20:05.50 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Get me some space in your Virginia colo, and I'll manage a server here :-p |
| 20:05.55 | rsimpkins | I have a friend that might have a dedicated box in the detroit area that won't go away any time soon. |
| 20:05.57 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins: it has been discussed before, would be nice to actually get going... make it part of a plug meeting :) |
| 20:06.16 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Well, we don't have much planned tonight! :) |
| 20:06.30 | Jayce^ | you mean tomorrow? |
| 20:06.31 | rsimpkins | Maybe we'll whip out a term and start adding DNS slaves to everyone. |
| 20:06.34 | Jayce^ | that either :) |
| 20:06.36 | rsimpkins | tomorrow. yes. |
| 20:07.41 | rsimpkins | I'd prefer to only host DNS with systems that have as close to N+1 as we can find, with people running them who can be trusted to keep things up. |
| 20:08.33 | fugue88 | N+1? |
| 20:09.01 | rsimpkins | redundant componets from power, cooloing, network, server, etc. |
| 20:09.24 | fugue88 | looks at my nettop server... |
| 20:09.27 | fugue88 | hmmm.. |
| 20:10.04 | rsimpkins | the two servers that I can bring to the table are in nice datacenters with N+1 to the servers. The servers themselves are a little cheap, but they both run RAID. |
| 20:10.14 | rsimpkins | so, no redundant power supplies, for example. |
| 20:10.30 | rsimpkins | no A/B power to them. |
| 20:10.52 | rsimpkins | I don't think they are backed by ATS either. |
| 20:11.09 | rsimpkins | So, not that great, really, but better than a box sitting on a comcrap connection. |
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| 20:12.24 | fugue88 | has N=1 w/UPS, on a reliable (but slow) DSL conn. |
| 20:13.24 | rsimpkins | N=1. hehehe |
| 20:13.55 | fugue88 | :D |
| 20:15.23 | rsimpkins | I have four tires on my car. Can I claim it is N=4 redundant? ;-) |
| 20:15.49 | rsimpkins | Oh, wait, what about the spare? N=4+1? |
| 20:19.44 | fozzmoo | catches up |
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| 20:40.27 | fozzmoo | Don't you love it when Wendys puts the salt packet under the fries in the fry container? |
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| 20:50.52 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Seriously... what are they thinking? |
| 20:51.10 | macnewbold | not thinking, most likely |
| 20:51.16 | macnewbold | would you think for $8/hour? |
| 20:51.52 | jsmith | I can honestly admit that I've had $8/hour jobs where I did have to think |
| 20:54.22 | macnewbold | before or after you turned 20? |
| 20:54.37 | unum | surplus doesn't count :p |
| 20:55.12 | Jayce^ | heck, after... as a programmer.. |
| 20:55.21 | jsmith | unum: Sssh! That's not public knowledge! |
| 20:55.42 | jsmith | Jayce^: Actually, my first programming job was significantly more than $8/hr, thank goodness. |
| 20:56.04 | Jayce^ | nice, mine was for Ricks... I made the same as the guy vacuuming the floor.. |
| 20:56.36 | unum | I was a sysadmin for $10 |
| 20:57.39 | fozzmoo | Back in 1993... I took a job as a "system operator" for a company in Logan. Once they realized what I knew, they basically promoted me to sysadmin in duties, but not in pay. |
| 20:57.48 | fozzmoo | $8/hour |
| 20:58.03 | fozzmoo | I think min wage then was $4.25 |
| 20:58.14 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Spillman? |
| 20:58.25 | fozzmoo | jsmith: No. Saddleman. |
| 20:58.54 | fozzmoo | It's okay. I ended up making a horrible mistake that cost the company lots of money. |
| 20:59.08 | fozzmoo | So, I forgive them for paying me lower than they should have. |
| 20:59.37 | Jayce^ | that's a winner fozzmoo |
| 21:00.47 | fozzmoo | When I first got a job as a "lab consultant" at USU, I was making $4.50/hr |
| 21:01.16 | fozzmoo | We were meant to feel special because other lab consultants made $4.25/hr, but since I worked in the engineering lab, I was worth more. |
| 21:01.38 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Which engineering lab? |
| 21:01.47 | fozzmoo | EL 105. :) |
| 21:01.58 | fozzmoo | The PC lab next to the Sun lab. |
| 21:02.22 | fozzmoo | (we handled the Sun lab too, although most of the consultants didn't really know enough to do anything.) |
| 21:04.23 | fozzmoo | sighs |
| 21:04.27 | fozzmoo | Those were the daze. |
| 21:05.10 | fozzmoo | Near the end of the term, we could keep the lab open past posted hours if we wanted to, but we couldn't be paid for those hours- so we had a donation jar or we'd ask people to just order us pizza. |
| 21:05.52 | jsmith | fozzmoo: I know both of those labs all too well... |
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| 21:33.10 | goozbach | east coast huh? |
| 21:33.21 | goozbach | I know someone who lives on the east coast |
| 21:34.55 | Jayce^ | freaky |
| 21:34.58 | jsmith | goozbach: Scary! |
| 21:35.07 | jsmith | sees a conspiracy brewing |
| 21:37.39 | goozbach | well close to the east coast |
| 21:37.46 | goozbach | he lives in the eastern time zone |
| 21:38.21 | sontek | easern timezone is the best |
| 21:38.25 | sontek | eastern* |
| 21:38.38 | jsmith | goozbach: I think I'm closer to the coast than you are :-p |
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| 22:50.15 | tensai | elg: as it was encrypting your message I wondered to myself if that would work. it defaults to encrypting if I have the pubkey in my keyring. |
| 22:51.28 | JoshH | i would hate being on eastern time |
| 22:51.41 | JoshH | west is best for tv/sports schedules |
| 22:52.05 | unum | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.05 | tensai | I never really liked pacific timezone. everything was on too late. |
| 22:53.31 | JoshH | i'm happy with mountain |
| 22:53.42 | tensai | of course now I've got the mythtv it hardly matters. I seldomly watch livetv. |
| 22:58.45 | elg | tensai: did you know that most other denominations don't have a chorister? the organist plays and the people sing. |
| 22:59.39 | tensai | elg: I did not know that until saturday. makes complete sense. nobody pays any attention to the chorister, least of all the organist (ours anyway). |
| 22:59.41 | elg | I didn't realize that until very recently. I went to a Christmas concert at Stanford (put on by the local institute actually) which has a very nice organ, and the guest organist played and we sang. It's hard to explain, but it was an epiphany to me. When the organ supports the congregation - really supports it - then the chorister is totally superfluous. |
| 23:01.10 | elg | tremolo? what did she say about tremolo? I thought the party line was don't even think about using tremolo in hymns. |
| 23:01.22 | tensai | that's what she said |
| 23:01.33 | elg | that wasn't nearly funny enough. |
| 23:03.02 | tensai | heh. didn't even catch that as I wrote it. that's actually what she did say, never use tremolo for hymns. |
| 23:03.30 | elg | so have you gone through the byu organ podcast? |
| 23:03.42 | elg | I've been meaning to. It would be motivating to have a podbuddy |
| 23:03.51 | elg | we could discuss each lesson |
| 23:04.55 | tensai | never heard of it, so no |
| 23:05.28 | tensai | oh I think she mentioned that one, actually |
| 23:05.50 | elg | http://www.organ.byu.edu/newldsorganist/index.htm |
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| 23:09.21 | tensai | I'd be up for that. how do I play an "mp3" file? never heard of that. |
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| 23:11.02 | tensai | actually, how do I get the mp3s without itunes? I'm not seeing an rss feed. |
| 23:11.06 | elg | tensai: I'm talking jacob into doing it too. |
| 23:11.23 | elg | well the itunes link will get you an rss feed if you pick it apart. |
| 23:13.19 | elg | actually maybe i don't know what i'm talking about |
| 23:13.31 | tensai | yeah I'm not seeing it |
| 23:14.43 | elg | i have them and could put them somewhere to download. |
| 23:16.05 | elg | cfac.byu.edu/courses/music/newldsorganist/rssnewlds.xml |
| 23:16.09 | elg | try that. |
| 23:16.25 | tensai | perfect |
| 23:18.36 | decriptor | how do you add a repository in fedora? |
| 23:20.44 | eggyknap | thanks elg for that. |
| 23:22.56 | sontek | decriptor: I just download the repo file into the yum.repos.d file |
| 23:23.04 | elg | eggyknap: wanna join our study group? |
| 23:23.08 | sontek | I dunno if thats the good way to do it |
| 23:23.48 | decriptor | sontek: I was hoping for something simple like yum ar url name |
| 23:23.55 | eggyknap | elg: Sure! Provided I can find round tuits |
| 23:24.23 | elg | O-o |
| 23:25.31 | Nafai | what kind of study group? |
| 23:26.33 | elg | going through the "New LDS Organist" podcast. |
| 23:28.28 | Nafai | ah |
| 23:28.40 | tensai | elg: I'm excited about these simplified arrangements. I've got the simplified hymns book but often they're in a different key. |
| 23:29.17 | elg | tensai: are you actually serving as an organist? or just hobby? |
| 23:29.40 | tensai | elg: hobby for now but I'd like to be able to be the organist at some point |
| 23:29.48 | elg | best calling in the church |
| 23:29.56 | elg | and the easiest to land, if you're an organist. |
| 23:30.03 | tensai | I learned piano when I was a kid and a few years ago took it up again |
| 23:30.21 | tensai | elg: ward clerk is pretty sweet, but yeah hard to claim |
| 23:30.53 | tensai | just don't ever mention you've been in scouts before or you're doomed |
| 23:32.09 | elg | if you can manage to get on the registered sex offenders list you might get out of that. |
| 23:33.02 | tensai | I suggested to my wife that I tell people that I'm on the list. she thought that would somehow come back to bite me. I think I agree. |
| 23:34.10 | elg | yeah, you need someone to float the impliciation from the outside. it would be a tricky con |
| 23:34.21 | elg | but I bet sjansen would be up to the task. |
| 23:35.12 | tensai | instead I just resolved to say "no" to any scout callings. interestingly it hasn't been 6 months since I was released and already it's come up. |
| 23:35.15 | unum | but it's very easy to verify |
| 23:36.02 | elg | hopefully next time you'll have a counteroffer. 'no, but I could be the organist!' |
| 23:39.14 | sjansen | decriptor: You'll edit your text file and you'll _like_ it! |
| 23:39.29 | harleypig | arghhh ... SOAP::Lite doesn't support complex types, but neither XML::Compile::SOAP nor SOAP::WSDL support rpc/encoded ... freaking Doba needs to fix their wsdl! |
| 23:40.24 | decriptor | sjansen: you can't make me!!! |
| 23:40.38 | decriptor | sjansen: that's way lame if that's the only way to add a repo |
| 23:41.01 | decriptor | sjansen: what else is lame is that it seems that fedora doesn't include accerciser. |
| 23:43.55 | decriptor | koji... fedora... accerciser... missing... grumble grumble ;) |
| 23:44.50 | sjansen | Most of the import repos provide an RPM so it's a simple as rpm -i http://my-super-repo/super-repo-release.rpm |
| 23:44.59 | sjansen | s/import/important |
| 23:45.29 | decriptor | its not the end of the world, I just wget the repo file |
| 23:45.39 | decriptor | luckily the repo stuff is auto generated |
| 23:46.11 | decriptor | I'm actually surprised that accerciser isn't in fedora though. Its not a major app, but its really useful for a11y use/development |
| 23:46.14 | decriptor | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.24 | sjansen | That nice thing about an RPM is the repo can push out changes without bothering users, but users can still override the default repo config. |
| 23:46.54 | decriptor | I'm not griping so much about rpm as I am the tool |
| 23:47.14 | sjansen | And I'm telling you why I think the YUM repo config is superior. |
| 23:47.21 | decriptor | ah |
| 23:48.03 | decriptor | it would be nice if I could pass a url to yum and have it auto add it instead of messing with config files is all I'm saying |
| 23:48.28 | sjansen | And rpm -i is inferior how? |
| 23:48.38 | decriptor | ? |
| 23:48.50 | decriptor | Its not just one package I want to install |
| 23:49.00 | decriptor | its a special repo that I have created of packages |
| 23:49.18 | decriptor | can you run rpm -i [repo]? |
| 23:50.02 | decriptor | I just need accerciser to test the packages that I need to install |
| 23:50.36 | decriptor | which I'll have to steal the proposed src.rpm and package in my repo too :( |
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| 23:51.11 | sjansen | Clearly I'm not making myself clear enough. The following is the most commong way to add any of the major repos: |
| 23:51.12 | sjansen | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/FAQ#howtouse |
| 23:51.56 | sjansen | EPEL, JPackage, RPM Forge, $your_clueful_fedora_repo -- All of them do it that way. |
| 23:52.30 | unum | so have you guy seen the big google china news |
| 23:52.33 | sjansen | Although I'm surprised accerciser isn't package for Fedora. |
| 23:52.48 | decriptor | sjansen: its in bugzilla to be added |
| 23:53.03 | decriptor | but I think it was only added last month |
| 23:53.35 | decriptor | sjansen: interesting |
| 23:54.01 | bonez2046 | I have an older hdd.. an IDE.. I need to image the drive. copy the image of it... it's just 2 gb.. and copy over to my primary hdd.. how can I best do this? |
| 23:54.26 | decriptor | bonez2046: dd? |
| 23:54.44 | bonez2046 | descriptor.. can dd copy the old drive and put the contents then in a folder that I choose? |
| 23:55.01 | decriptor | bonez2046: it should create an image that you can then mount |
| 23:55.29 | decriptor | bonez2046: if you just need certain files, then you probably don't need to image? |
| 23:56.09 | bonez2046 | here's the rub.. the IDE drive has win 98se installed on it.. in a doublespace compressed volume.. |
| 23:56.18 | sjansen | decriptor: I assume you're using the SUSE build service for your package? Perhaps you have pull to encourage auto-creation of -release RPMs? |
| 23:56.26 | bonez2046 | I can boot the drive if it is the only drive on the system.. |
| 23:56.52 | decriptor | sjansen: what do you mean -release RPMs? Remember I haven't used redhat since redhat 9 |
| 23:57.39 | sjansen | epel-release, jpackage-release, rpmforge-release -- basically a glorified wrapper around a yum repo config file |
| 23:57.39 | decriptor | sjansen: oh, and yes I'm using the build service |
| 23:57.48 | decriptor | sjansen: ah |
| 23:58.28 | decriptor | sjansen: I don't have time to do it, but should someone want to they would most likely accept a patch |
| 23:58.29 | sjansen | rpm -ivh decriptor-rulez-release-5.4.noarch.rpm |
| 23:59.54 | decriptor | sjansen: there probably isn't much demand for fedora packages in the build service right now though... I think, other than other arches, there has been more interest in .deb packages and that's seem some more love lately |
