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| 00:24.01 | whiteinge | thesuperbigfrog: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Bulk_rename_files_with_Vim |
| 00:24.42 | sontek | Hmm.. Its interesting how distros are kind of location specific... I can't think of anyone in Utah offhand right now that was running slack as their primary desktop OS |
| 00:24.54 | sontek | but down here in the panhandle of Florida the majority of people are running it |
| 00:26.11 | Nafai | weirdos |
| 00:27.18 | unum | most of the lug in logan used debian |
| 00:27.29 | whiteinge | sontek: I am a Slacker. |
| 00:27.38 | unum | and I remember gentoo being popular in plug(we all thought it would be caldera and made fun of them) |
| 00:27.41 | thesuperbigfrog | whiteinge: great |
| 00:28.00 | unum | ubuntu was the main one with oalug |
| 00:42.35 | harleypig | ARGHHHH!!! My headphones appear to have lost their left channel! |
| 00:43.24 | harleypig | I've checked with alsamixer and speaker-test. The channel isn't muted. |
| 00:43.27 | harleypig | Any pointers? |
| 00:43.45 | harleypig | dodges the sudden swarm of red dots |
| 00:44.25 | harleypig | listens to the crickets chirping |
| 00:45.47 | harleypig | scuffs his feets sadly as he slinks away |
| 00:47.36 | sontek | harleypig: you don't need the left channel |
| 00:47.53 | sontek | harleypig: thats the channel all the devil music plays on, the right side is the good stuff |
| 00:56.03 | harleypig | ignores sontek |
| 00:59.15 | thesuperbigfrog | harleypig: do you think the speaker is bad, or could it just be a short in the wire? |
| 01:04.32 | sontek | harleypig: I just want to be loved |
| 01:06.35 | thesuperbigfrog | ~hug sontek |
| 01:06.38 | ibot | ACTION hugs sontek tightly until sontek turns slightly blue |
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| 01:18.20 | harleypig | thesuperbigfrog: I hope its not the phones themselves ... |
| 01:18.29 | harleypig | sontek: you gotta be loving if you want to be loved! |
| 01:20.26 | sontek | stares into harleypig's eyes as he runs his fingers through that ruggedly handsome beard |
| 01:21.57 | thesuperbigfrog | "he's the type of man that when a man wants a manly man, he dreams of a man like him" |
| 01:23.27 | thesuperbigfrog | that came across just as creepy as I thought it would |
| 01:24.36 | sontek | haha |
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| 01:33.30 | harleypig | :D |
| 01:34.00 | harleypig | Who's inta bears here?! |
| 01:42.30 | harleypig | I'm gonna reboot into Windows and see if the problems persists there. Either way, I'm gonna kill me some zombies. |
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| 05:53.41 | Reilithion | Any networking geniuses on at the moment? |
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| 06:03.53 | Reilithion | :-( |
| 06:05.53 | sontek | Reilithion: I think most of us are waiting for you to ask your question to see if we can help, we are too humble to admit we are geniuses |
| 06:06.04 | Reilithion | lol |
| 06:06.09 | Reilithion | humble? You guys? Yeah right. |
| 06:06.09 | sontek | its always best practice just to ask the question rather than asking if you can ask :) |
| 06:06.17 | Reilithion | It's a can ping, can't browse with a twist. |
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| 06:06.35 | Reilithion | I'm on Gentoo. It started during a massive system upgrade. |
| 06:07.11 | sontek | Is the device up? Do you have an ip? |
| 06:07.25 | sontek | whats in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 06:07.45 | Reilithion | Works: ping 192.168.0.1; ping google.com; ping 74.125.19.104; host google.com; dig google.com |
| 06:09.07 | Reilithion | Doesn't work: wget, firefox, midori, dillo, epiphany, curl, etc. when used with anything but an IP address. |
| 06:09.29 | Reilithion | In /etc/resolv.conf: |
| 06:09.30 | Reilithion | nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 06:09.38 | Reilithion | The device is up. I have an IP. |
| 06:11.05 | sontek | thats weird, can you try adding nameserver 4.2.2.1 and commenting out 192.168.0.1 to make sure your nameserver isn't broken |
| 06:11.20 | Reilithion | If it were just that IP addresses worked everywhere, and domain names didn't work everywhere, I'd assume it was a DNS failure of some kind, but the fact that ping, host, and dig, oh and nslookup all work make me scratch my head. |
| 06:11.50 | Reilithion | Is there some library that web browsers, curl, and wget all use that ping, dig, host, and nslookup do not? |
| 06:11.52 | fugue88 | Have you tried resolving a hostname that you seldom resolve? |
| 06:12.12 | fugue88 | Try mine for kicks: ping fugue88.ws |
| 06:12.16 | Reilithion | Yeah, though give me a moment and I'll try another. |
| 06:12.54 | Reilithion | 64 bytes from fugue88.dsl.xmission.com (166.70.24.109) |
| 06:13.07 | Reilithion | 30 perfect packets worth. |
| 06:13.28 | fugue88 | Have you tried telneting? e.g. telnet google.com 80 |
| 06:13.41 | fugue88 | Then send "GET / HTTP/1.0" press enter twice. |
| 06:13.52 | fugue88 | w/o the quotes of course |
| 06:14.00 | Reilithion | er, you know, I don't think I actually have telnet installed.... |
| 06:14.08 | fugue88 | O_o |
| 06:14.36 | Reilithion | And installing it might prove difficult since wget doesn't work. |
| 06:14.50 | fugue88 | There might be a way to get bash to do this... one moment... |
| 06:14.56 | Reilithion | lol |
| 06:15.52 | sontek | Reilithion: what happens when you wget --verbose google.com |
| 06:16.29 | Reilithion | "Resolving google.com... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution. |
| 06:16.29 | Reilithion | wget: unable to resolve host address `google.com'" |
| 06:16.41 | Reilithion | 1st line omitted |
| 06:16.57 | sontek | try adding 4.2.2.1 to resolv.conf and try again |
| 06:17.42 | Reilithion | On its own line, or after 192.168.0.1? |
| 06:17.54 | Reilithion | Sorry, I'm not completely familiar with the semantics of the file. |
| 06:18.02 | sontek | do it on its own |
| 06:18.09 | sontek | same exact way as 0.1 |
| 06:18.13 | sontek | with nameserver in front of it |
| 06:18.28 | Reilithion | Okay. Should I restart any services or anything? |
| 06:18.56 | sontek | nope, should just work |
| 06:19.05 | Reilithion | Guess not. Suddenly wget is working. |
| 06:19.17 | sontek | Yeah, your dns is hosed |
| 06:19.35 | Reilithion | As in, the dns I connect to through my router? |
| 06:19.44 | fugue88 | Dude, install djbdns and run a local caching resolver. |
| 06:20.26 | Reilithion | The sad thing is, I almost tried that myself, but I couldn't remember the darn IP address. |
| 06:20.37 | Reilithion | Also, wasn't sure if screwing around with resolv.conf was a good idea. |
| 06:20.59 | Reilithion | Since it seems to be generated on this system |
| 06:21.24 | fugue88 | Your dhcp client probably writes it contents based on info on the IP lease. |
| 06:22.09 | fugue88 | You can usually pass on option to not write certain files like that, then set your own resolv.conf to point wherever you want. |
| 06:22.19 | Reilithion | Also sad is that you guys got me reconnected about infinity times faster than #gentoo |
| 06:22.53 | sontek | Thats because we are geniuses, this is #utah, where only the best are allowed in |
| 06:22.55 | fugue88 | I highly recommend a local resolver. Comcast's DNS flaked out on me, and I started using djbdns w/o any problems. |
| 06:23.03 | Reilithion | fugue88: So, if I just leave it the way it is now, the 4.2.2.1 entry will get clobbered next time dhcp asks for a new IP? |
| 06:23.10 | fugue88 | Prolly. |
| 06:23.19 | fugue88 | Which client? dhcpcd? |
| 06:23.23 | Reilithion | yeah |
| 06:23.28 | sontek | Reilithion: yeap, but you could go into your router and tell it to server 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 as secondary dns |
| 06:23.39 | sontek | I always do that as a backup :) |
| 06:24.06 | Reilithion | sontek: Also good. But what about this: So far, other computers connecting to the same router seem unaffected. |
| 06:24.21 | Reilithion | That's one of the reasons I thought it must have been the gentoo box |
| 06:25.13 | fugue88 | Windows boxes? |
| 06:25.20 | Reilithion | And a Mac. |
| 06:25.28 | Reilithion | Oh, and little Sumomo here. |
| 06:25.31 | Reilithion | She runs Ubuntu |
| 06:25.38 | fugue88 | Hmm. |
| 06:25.40 | fugue88 | ... |
| 06:26.35 | fugue88 | Check out /etc/dhcpcd.conf for a pertinent setting. |
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| 06:27.18 | Reilithion | Sumomo apparently uses dhcp3 |
| 06:27.56 | fugue88 | I run Gentoo, and here's what I do. I have a Linux system that acts as my gateway (my DSL modem is in gateway mode, not router mode). It runs a resolver and a dhcp server, and the dhcp server tells all clients to use that sys for dns lookups. |
| 06:28.14 | fugue88 | I also tell the resolver to not resolve certain ad-serving hosts. |
| 06:28.19 | fugue88 | Blocks a lot of junk. |
| 06:28.27 | Reilithion | Until I have a dedicated, always-on server, that'd be disastrous for my setup. |
| 06:28.34 | fugue88 | Oh, too bad. |
| 06:28.49 | Reilithion | But it's a good idea. |
| 06:29.02 | Reilithion | What kind of system is it? |
| 06:29.10 | fugue88 | You can still install a local resolver and echo 127.0.0.1>>/etc/resolv.conf on startup. |
| 06:29.13 | Reilithion | Processor, etc |
| 06:29.47 | fugue88 | Dual-proc (not core) P2 (or P3?) 500 MHz, 256M RAM, 8G HDD. |
| 06:29.50 | Supaplex | you mean echo nameserver 127.0.0.1 ... :) |
| 06:29.56 | fugue88 | Yeah, right. :) |
| 06:30.13 | fugue88 | After net goes up, not right after boot. |
| 06:30.45 | fugue88 | I'm replacing my dual-proc with a new Acer Aspire (64-bit Intel Atom, 1G ram, 160G hdd). |
| 06:30.59 | fugue88 | It'll consume like 10% the power. |
| 06:31.05 | fugue88 | And perform better. |
| 06:31.22 | Supaplex | nice |
| 06:31.26 | fugue88 | And it's only $215 delivered. |
| 06:31.43 | Reilithion | I've been measuring my EeePC's power consumption. Using 100% CPU, it consumes 15 watts. |
| 06:31.53 | fugue88 | Very nice. |
| 06:32.03 | Reilithion | Yeah, I love it. |
| 06:32.32 | fugue88 | The Aspire and the Eees are very comparable. The Aspire has no wireless built-in. |
| 06:33.07 | sontek | I just picked up my little sister an eeepc, its pretty nice |
| 06:33.20 | sontek | wifi, media card reader, 160gb hdd, $249 |
| 06:33.34 | Reilithion | They're getting cheaper, I see. |
| 06:33.39 | fugue88 | (wget as a bash script: http://blogmag.net/blog/read/49/Network_programing_with_bash) |
| 06:33.48 | fugue88 | 'nite all. |
| 06:34.19 | Reilithion | night, fugue88 |
| 06:35.23 | Reilithion | I also still fail to understand how ping and host can work when other programs fail. This... really bothers me. Despite having a nice workaround. |
| 06:39.34 | Supaplex | Reilithion: grep ^hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 06:40.11 | Reilithion | hosts: files dns |
| 06:40.35 | Supaplex | interesting. I had mcast dns on some box around here before. but that looks good. |
| 06:41.09 | Reilithion | I saw an FAQ with that somewhere online while googling for answers to this question earlier, so I had already checked it. |
| 06:41.28 | Reilithion | Something to do with avahi, I hear. |
| 06:42.00 | Reilithion | sontek: Thank you very much, by the way. Did I say that yet? |
| 06:42.04 | Supaplex | strace might reveal some clues. yeah, mightabeen avahi. I just recall dropping an axe on it for similar behaivor. :) |
| 06:43.32 | Reilithion | strace... maybe when I'm awake again. |
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| 14:56.59 | tensai | here's a good laugh to start your day |
| 14:57.16 | tensai | user complains of getting duplicate messages |
| 14:57.40 | tensai | turns out he set up his mail account to be POP downloaded by gmail, then forwarded to another email and then forwarded yet again back to the original email account |
| 14:58.43 | tensai | the solution, of course, is to add a forwarding loop in the other direction. when the two messages collide, it'll be just like the LHC of email. |
| 14:59.12 | fugue88 | The Interwebs will blow up! Oh noes! |
| 15:04.54 | goozbach | fugue88: not blow up, implode! |
| 15:05.05 | goozbach | LHC is gonna make a black hole remember? |
| 15:05.16 | goozbach | so the LHC of email will create the great /dev/null |
| 15:06.53 | tensai | couldn't think of an email equivalent of the higgs boson |
| 15:07.27 | fugue88 | Well it's a good thing *I'm* not running the experiment then! :D |
| 15:08.47 | goozbach | tensai: it's the legitmate viagra email |
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| 18:34.29 | harleypig | http://hawtness.com/2009/12/21/wtf-girl-photo-victoria-secret-makes-it-to-a-galaxy-far-far-away/ |
| 18:34.29 | harleypig | I am *so* proud of my oldest boy! He scared the crap out of me this morning! :D |
| 18:34.29 | harleypig | http://failblog.org/2009/12/22/christmas-lights-install-fail/ |
| 18:34.40 | fozzmoo | harleypig: Yep. Good fail today. |
| 18:34.50 | harleypig | be sure to read the submitted comment |
| 18:34.59 | harleypig | fozzmoo: a couple of good ones |
| 18:36.03 | harleypig | http://totallylookslike.com/2009/12/01/chick-on-meth-totally-looks-like-carrot-top/ |
| 18:37.20 | harleypig | http://probablybadnews.com/2009/12/22/funny-news-headlines-best-name-ever/ |
| 18:40.31 | harleypig | http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=7981 (WARNING! You *WILL* need to bleach your eyes if you look at this!) |
| 18:43.41 | fozzmoo | http://probablybadnews.com/2009/12/16/funny-news-headlines-restless-genital-syndrome-its-real/ |
| 18:43.59 | harleypig | she's not bad looking ... |
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| 19:23.57 | fozzmoo | \http://thatwillbuffout.com/2009/11/18/funny-car-photos-twbo-product-of-the-year-laptop-steering-wheel-desk/ |
| 19:25.01 | mulicheng | ibot: you just said that. |
| 19:32.24 | mulicheng | ~randomize quote database |
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| 19:53.23 | harleypig | fozzmoo: DAMMIT! I don't need any more sites to look at! |
| 19:56.39 | goozbach | nother freaking meme site |
| 19:56.41 | goozbach | good grief |
| 19:58.14 | harleypig | I'm being over memed! |
| 20:03.47 | unum | meme is not pronounced the way I thought it was |
| 20:03.55 | unum | of course I think that's true of most words..... |
| 20:04.16 | unum | I tend to default to a spanish pronunciation, so I really scew up french words |
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| 22:04.23 | tensai | dell, you morons |
| 22:04.46 | tensai | quit sending me advertisements for the christmas present I bought for my wife |
| 22:13.52 | jsmith | Dude, she's getting a Dell! |
| 22:14.15 | goozbach | AWESOME!!!! |
| 22:14.30 | goozbach | ohcrap I haven't wrapped my wife's presents... |
| 22:14.30 | tensai | she totally is and if she hasn't figured it out already I'll be surprised |
| 22:14.52 | jsmith | goozbach: Neither have I, but hers haven't shown up yet |
| 22:15.42 | goozbach | jsmith: made it home I take it? |
| 22:16.47 | jsmith | goozbach: Yeah... got home yesterday. Been digging out ever since. Finally got the one car unstuck from the driveway this morning, and the van out this afternoon. |
| 22:17.01 | fozzmoo | wow. |
| 22:17.07 | tensai | jsmith: how bad was your car at the airport? |
| 22:17.10 | fozzmoo | It's snowing here now. |
| 22:17.21 | fozzmoo | We've gotten a whopping 2-3 inches so far today. |
| 22:17.22 | jsmith | tensai: Took over an hour to get my car out at the airport. |
| 22:17.42 | fozzmoo | jsmith: It's like being back in Cache Valley again! |
| 22:17.44 | jsmith | tensai: 22 inches of "cheap concrete" |
| 22:17.52 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Yup, and I wouldn't trade it for the world |
| 22:18.52 | fozzmoo | (except Cache Valley doesn't really have an airport.) |
| 22:18.52 | goozbach | anyone up for a game of pio? |
| 22:19.20 | fozzmoo | gives goozbach a confused look. |
| 22:19.42 | fozzmoo | Programmed input/output? |
| 22:19.55 | tensai | would rather play ultra dma |
| 22:20.17 | goozbach | fozzmoo: Pioneers(settlers of catan) |
| 22:20.25 | fozzmoo | goozbach: What is it? |
| 22:20.47 | goozbach | it's a gtk version of an awesome board game |
| 22:20.56 | goozbach | kinda like digital monopoly |
| 22:20.58 | goozbach | but better |
| 22:21.28 | fozzmoo | pioneers.x86_64 : Turnbased board strategy game (colonize an island)?? |
| 22:21.48 | goozbach | that's the one |
| 22:21.59 | fozzmoo | I'm guessing it's fun and highly addictive? |
| 22:22.08 | goozbach | fozzmoo: most definiatly |
| 22:22.14 | tensai | sounds right. it's like playing risk without the 10 hours committment |
| 22:22.21 | goozbach | I'm kinda supprised you don't know catan? |
| 22:22.40 | goozbach | jsmith: he needs an intervention next time we're both in the same room with him |
| 22:23.21 | jsmith | goozbach: Or a virtual one, right now :-p |
| 22:23.33 | jsmith | tensai: You play Catan too? |
| 22:24.10 | tensai | jsmith: I've played the board game a few times with my in-laws. they're big on it. the wife and I play pioneers occasionally. |
| 22:24.30 | fozzmoo | Okay, it's asking me what meta server to connect to. |
| 22:24.46 | goozbach | elg: can you fire up a server? |
| 22:24.51 | fozzmoo | I have two choices... pioneers.debian.net and pioneers.game-host.org |
| 22:25.13 | elg | how many players? |
| 22:25.36 | elg | 4. ok |
| 22:25.39 | jsmith | I'll play (and be more attentive this time) |
| 22:25.41 | elg | taran.fugal.net |
| 22:25.48 | elg | I'm not playing though, loading up the car to go to utah |
| 22:25.54 | elg | but the server is running in screen so it should be happy |
| 22:25.56 | fozzmoo | ~cheer elg |
| 22:25.57 | ibot | Three cheers for elg! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! |
| 22:26.14 | goozbach | hip |
| 22:26.17 | goozbach | hip |
| 22:26.18 | jsmith | Thanks elg |
| 22:26.19 | goozbach | hurray |
| 22:26.20 | goozbach | tks |
| 22:27.00 | goozbach | anyone else in |
| 22:27.03 | goozbach | ? |
| 22:27.21 | fozzmoo | I see hexagons. |
| 22:27.54 | goozbach | yup |
| 22:27.59 | goozbach | haven't started yet |
| 22:28.07 | fozzmoo | How come Jared is a little dude and goozbach and fozz are squares? |
| 22:28.11 | fozzmoo | (in the game, that is.) |
| 22:28.21 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Because I'm awesome :-p |
| 22:28.58 | fozzmoo | Now I'm awesome too. |
| 22:29.38 | fozzmoo | So, what is the object? |
| 22:29.42 | goozbach | I has a tophat |
| 22:29.54 | jsmith | has a red hat |
| 22:30.55 | fozzmoo | I have an afro. |
| 22:31.18 | goozbach | we waiting on a forth? |
| 22:31.22 | sontek | goozbach: I have a tophat and a monacle! (I drew them on my bathroom mirror!) |
| 22:31.29 | goozbach | hah! |
| 22:31.38 | goozbach | the bathroom mirror in your conversion van? |
| 22:31.55 | sontek | I don't have the conversion van yet! |
| 22:32.36 | jsmith | Who is gonna be the fourth player? |
| 22:32.44 | goozbach | anyone for a forth? |
| 22:33.12 | jsmith | Go forth! |
| 22:33.33 | jsmith | Or, shall we make it a bot? |
| 22:33.43 | goozbach | jsmith: can you? |
| 22:33.47 | fozzmoo | doesn't care. |
| 22:33.48 | goozbach | how does one do that? |
| 22:33.51 | goozbach | bot away |
| 22:33.52 | fozzmoo | doesn't know. |
| 22:34.13 | goozbach | jsmith: fyi I've got pio-server installed on kessel now |
| 22:34.21 | goozbach | just if you want to fire one up |
| 22:34.35 | jsmith | goozbach: Awesome, thanks! |
| 22:35.26 | goozbach | I'll have to make sure that the port's open |
| 22:37.39 | fozzmoo | Are poor people entitled to the same amount/level of healthcare as those with higher incomes? |
| 22:37.49 | jsmith | elg: Mind making the fourth player a bot? |
| 22:38.03 | fozzmoo | I guess that depends on if you think health care is a fundamental right. |
| 22:38.11 | fozzmoo | A BOT! |
| 22:38.33 | fozzmoo | So, if I'm reading correctly, the first thing we have to do is create a city and a road? |
| 22:38.44 | fozzmoo | s/city/settlement/ |
| 22:38.54 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Exactly |
| 22:39.01 | goozbach | ok my version of server is behind |
| 22:39.11 | goozbach | just a second then we'll not have to rely on busyelg |
| 22:39.43 | jsmith | goozbach: But I've placed my settlement now :-p |
| 22:40.51 | goozbach | nm |
| 22:41.06 | goozbach | sorry |
| 22:41.08 | goozbach | done |
| 22:43.35 | tensai | spies on the pioneers action |
| 22:43.42 | goozbach | fozzmoo: your turn |
| 22:43.49 | goozbach | and yes, settlement and road |
| 22:43.52 | fozzmoo | Oh here I am. |
| 22:44.24 | goozbach | then click finish :) |
| 22:44.45 | fozzmoo | FInish is not clickable. |
| 22:44.51 | goozbach | f4? |
| 22:45.02 | tensai | fozzmoo: you get to build twice |
| 22:45.07 | fozzmoo | Oh. |
| 22:45.16 | jsmith | First to last, then last to first |
| 22:45.28 | fozzmoo | Tensai is just watching? |
| 22:46.00 | goozbach | forgot that part |
| 22:46.30 | tensai | fozzmoo: yup |
| 22:46.37 | fozzmoo | So, what is the object of the game? |
| 22:47.15 | fozzmoo | The black dude is the robber? That's racist! |
| 22:47.20 | tensai | fozzmoo: get a certain number of points. you can see everybody has 2 points. |
| 22:47.20 | goozbach | hah |
| 22:47.27 | goozbach | fozzmoo: to get to 10 points |
| 22:47.29 | tensai | you get one point for each settlement, 2 for cities |
| 22:47.30 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Get points. You get points by building settlements and cities, plus some other things |
| 22:47.45 | goozbach | you get points for settlements, cities, longest road, biggest army etc |
| 22:48.12 | jsmith | fozzmoo: You build roads and expand by trading resources (wood, wheat, wool, brick, ore) and developing |
| 22:48.27 | fozzmoo | Okay... so, the client rolls the dice for me... |
| 22:48.34 | fozzmoo | I've got... 6 and 3. |
| 22:48.55 | jsmith | That means if you've got a settlement next to a hex with a 9 on it, you get one of those resources |
| 22:49.14 | fozzmoo | It doesn't look like I do. |
| 22:49.15 | goozbach | when did the robber fall on my mud? |
| 22:49.41 | jsmith | ducks |
| 22:49.50 | fozzmoo | I'm not sure what I should do. |
| 22:49.52 | jsmith | goozbach: I figured I'd pick on somebody that knew how to play :-p |
| 22:50.08 | goozbach | couldn't move him to the desert? :) |
| 22:50.16 | jsmith | fozzmoo: If you can trade resources for a road, build a road. Otherwise, click on the stop sign to end your turn. |
| 22:50.20 | goozbach | fozzmoo: your options are trade |
| 22:50.29 | goozbach | build road, or stop |
| 22:50.44 | jsmith | fozzmoo: http://www.profeasy.com/Settlers_Boardgame/ is a pretty decent introduction |
| 22:51.59 | jsmith | Now I'm doing a trade, offering a lumber for a brick (sometimes called a "clay") |
| 22:53.03 | jsmith | Nobody accepted my trade offer, so I end my turn |
| 22:53.19 | goozbach | I forget how to move the robber |
| 22:54.56 | tensai | goozbach: either play a soldier card or roll a 7 |
| 22:55.16 | fozzmoo | The action menu says I can trade or finish and that's it. |
| 22:55.16 | goozbach | that's right |
| 22:55.46 | goozbach | fozzmoo: that means you don't have the resources to build anything |
| 22:55.57 | goozbach | a road cost something, a city costs something else |
| 22:55.59 | goozbach | etc |
| 22:56.08 | fozzmoo | Can I sell my women? |
| 22:57.10 | unum | when ever I play settlers it makes me want to go play civ |
| 22:57.39 | fozzmoo | I feel so sheltered having never played this nor ever heard of it. |
| 22:58.03 | goozbach | fozzmoo: I'm actually suprised |
| 22:58.08 | fozzmoo | What do the numbers and letters out in the ocean mean? |
| 22:58.13 | unum | you are sheltered |
| 22:58.21 | goozbach | was there not Catan at utosc2009? |
| 22:58.34 | unum | if you if you build a settlement near that part of the ocean it allows you to make trades cheaper |
| 22:58.40 | goozbach | fozzmoo: the numbers of the oceans are foreign traders |
| 22:58.47 | fozzmoo | I don't usually stick around for board games. I'm usually exhausted by that time. |
| 22:58.59 | unum | normally any player can trade to the bank 4 cards of one kind for one card of an other kind |
| 22:59.02 | goozbach | you can always trade the corresponding ratio without having to wait for someone to accept your trade |
| 23:00.20 | goozbach | yay! I'm getting resources now! |
| 23:00.24 | goozbach | cause I moved the robber |
| 23:01.42 | goozbach | cobbler kicks copious ammounts of arse |
| 23:01.58 | goozbach | it's allowing me to do an install while playing a game and listening to pandora |
| 23:02.23 | fozzmoo | Now it says I must discard resources? |
| 23:02.51 | jsmith | If someone rolls a seven and you're holding more than seven resource cards, you have to discard half of them |
| 23:02.58 | jsmith | That's the "robber" coming to steal your cards |
| 23:03.20 | jsmith | Additionally, since I rolled the seven, I get to move the robber to a hex and steal a card from one of the settlements around that hex |
| 23:03.21 | goozbach | I need wood |
| 23:03.25 | mulicheng | I've always enjoyed Catan, but I wish there were less die rolling and more strategy. |
| 23:03.26 | jsmith | goozbach: I need clay |
| 23:03.32 | goozbach | go ahead |
| 23:04.10 | goozbach | sorry brick isn't free |
| 23:04.29 | goozbach | I just traded jsmith one brick(clay) for lumber |
| 23:05.22 | goozbach | I just spent one brick and one lumber to build that road |
| 23:07.49 | jsmith | goozbach: You mean, the road I just cut off? |
| 23:07.52 | jsmith | ducks |
| 23:08.05 | fozzmoo | Is there a FPS client for this? |
| 23:08.08 | fozzmoo | I'm getting bored. |
| 23:08.35 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Oh, it gets better... especially once you move from the mechanics of the game to the theory |
| 23:08.57 | goozbach | grrr I just hard locked a server |
| 23:08.58 | fozzmoo | Well, I'm still pretty clueless as far as mechanics. |
| 23:09.06 | goozbach | like I have to pull the powercord locked |
| 23:09.07 | jsmith | fozzmoo: My wife and I regularly play Catan with our neighbors, and the games are really quite entertaining |
| 23:09.19 | fozzmoo | Everyone else is building stuff and I can't seem to do anything. |
| 23:09.42 | jsmith | First, you need to get a wood and a brick, so that you can build a road |
| 23:09.46 | goozbach | fozzmoo: what resource cards do you have? |
| 23:09.56 | fozzmoo | Uh... I dunno. How do I find that? |
| 23:10.02 | fozzmoo | I have 4 bricky looking things... |
| 23:10.07 | jsmith | Under resources, you'll have little icons |
| 23:10.09 | goozbach | little icons in your resources |
| 23:10.10 | fozzmoo | and 4 ore |
| 23:10.14 | jsmith | Do you have any trees there? |
| 23:10.16 | fozzmoo | and one fluffy cloud. |
| 23:10.21 | fozzmoo | No trees. |
| 23:10.21 | goozbach | you should brick and ore and wool |
| 23:10.31 | goozbach | so you should roll, then suggest a trade |
| 23:10.36 | goozbach | ore for lumber |
| 23:11.30 | fozzmoo | yay. |
| 23:11.53 | tensai | fozzmoo: something you'll note is that your settlements aren't on any lumber spaces, so to get any wood you'll have to trade for it |
| 23:12.24 | fozzmoo | Bummer. |
| 23:12.37 | fozzmoo | Brilliant me, I settled on a desert! |
| 23:12.47 | goozbach | so I want ore, and am willing to give lumber |
| 23:12.53 | goozbach | this would be a trade in your interest |
| 23:13.29 | goozbach | you quoted 4 lumber for one ore |
| 23:13.34 | fozzmoo | I changed. |
| 23:13.35 | tensai | fozzmoo: those are wheat fields, not desert. the desert is in the upper right and has no number. |
| 23:13.41 | goozbach | but as I only have two lumber, I can't |
| 23:13.42 | fozzmoo | Oh. |
| 23:15.09 | fozzmoo | My daughter says I'm making a quilt. |
| 23:16.11 | fozzmoo | Has anyone seen "Avatar" yet? |
| 23:16.47 | goozbach | not yet |
| 23:17.04 | goozbach | I'm trying to decide between Sherlock and Avatar this next weekend |
| 23:18.32 | fozzmoo | Sherlock looks kinda dumb to me. |
| 23:18.39 | goozbach | weirdest issuing I'm having right now |
| 23:18.46 | goozbach | it's like the server can't draw enough power |
| 23:18.46 | fozzmoo | Like League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen - dumb. |
| 23:19.46 | goozbach | bad powersupply it seems |
| 23:20.10 | goozbach | put the left cord in the right supply and it works |
| 23:20.20 | goozbach | so either the circut on the left is overtaxed |
| 23:20.27 | goozbach | or the PS is dead/dying |
| 23:20.39 | fozzmoo | That sucks. |
| 23:20.48 | maquis | wants to see last airbender |
| 23:20.54 | fozzmoo | me too. |
| 23:20.57 | goozbach | ditto |
| 23:21.05 | fozzmoo | that doesn't come out until... like Jan something, right? |
| 23:21.50 | maquis | dunno... |
| 23:22.08 | maquis | doesn't actually know much about it aside from the fact that jackson rathbone is in it |
| 23:22.42 | JoshH | fozzmoo, i agree |
| 23:22.47 | JoshH | a real sherlock movie could be good |
| 23:22.51 | JoshH | but this one seems too stupid |
| 23:23.06 | maquis | this one seems like an attempt to make an action movie while appearing to be sophisticated |
| 23:23.09 | maquis | or something |
| 23:23.11 | goozbach | jsmith: your turn |
| 23:23.43 | jsmith | goozbach: Sorry... didn't hear the beep |
| 23:24.04 | goozbach | that's for blocking my road |
| 23:24.04 | fozzmoo | There's a beep? |
| 23:24.28 | goozbach | fozzmoo: you're up |
| 23:24.31 | fozzmoo | uh huh. |
| 23:24.45 | maquis | holy cow... callie is screaming bloody murder and i can't figure out why |
| 23:24.50 | fozzmoo | Okay, so I rolled an 8. |
| 23:24.56 | fozzmoo | maquis: Burp the kid. |
| 23:25.13 | goozbach | burp, feed, change, snuggle |
| 23:25.13 | fozzmoo | Two hexes lit up... they have eights in them. |
| 23:25.17 | goozbach | yup |
| 23:25.20 | fozzmoo | One of them is next to one of my settlements. |
| 23:25.29 | goozbach | those two hexes produced in this turn |
| 23:25.29 | fozzmoo | Should that mean anything to me? |
| 23:25.30 | maquis | fozzmoo: burping may be the best option right now... |
| 23:25.33 | maquis | she's clean and just ate |
| 23:25.52 | goozbach | anyone with a settlement on the edge of those hexes gets a card from that hex |
| 23:26.00 | fozzmoo | ok |
| 23:26.16 | goozbach | an ore and a wool |
| 23:27.22 | fozzmoo | This bot is greedy |
| 23:27.40 | fozzmoo | Does no one want to trade for lumber? |
| 23:28.41 | goozbach | don't have any |
| 23:28.52 | fozzmoo | jsmith: Gimme somethin, my man! |
| 23:30.01 | fozzmoo | Do roads give me access to other resources? |
| 23:30.11 | fozzmoo | Do I have access to lumber now? Or do I need a settlement? |
| 23:30.38 | jsmith | fozzmoo: You need a settlement or city next to a lumber hex |
| 23:30.45 | fozzmoo | ok |
| 23:30.52 | fozzmoo | What do the roads do for me then? |
| 23:31.14 | unum | you need to have a road to a spot before you can build a new settlement |
| 23:31.15 | jsmith | Settlements must be at least two road segments away from another settlement |
| 23:31.23 | jsmith | and your settlements must be connected by roads |
| 23:31.24 | fozzmoo | ok |
| 23:31.37 | unum | also if you have the longest road(and it's atleast 5 segments) you get two points |
| 23:33.00 | maquis | yay! she quieted down |
| 23:33.06 | goozbach | burping? |
| 23:33.27 | goozbach | no one wants ore for grain? |
| 23:33.35 | fozzmoo | I got no grain. |
| 23:33.55 | jsmith | goozbach: two for two? |
| 23:33.59 | jsmith | goozbach: Or just one for one? |
| 23:34.19 | goozbach | I'm gonna own the trees in this island! |
| 23:34.32 | maquis | goozbach: burping helped |
| 23:34.52 | tensai | maquis: she likes to hear you burp? |
| 23:35.02 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 23:35.03 | maquis | tensai: of course |
| 23:35.44 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Sorry, I was slow on the draw... I would have traded you |
| 23:35.54 | fozzmoo | awh |
| 23:36.23 | jsmith | fozzmoo: I've got a trade offer on the table now |
| 23:36.47 | goozbach | oops |
| 23:36.54 | goozbach | didn't mean to reject that |
| 23:36.54 | jsmith | goozbach: oops? |
| 23:37.26 | maquis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM <-- i love this... :) |
| 23:39.35 | fozzmoo | goozbach: I've got brick if you wanna send over some lumber. |
| 23:40.01 | goozbach | k |
| 23:40.13 | goozbach | you have to initialze the trade |
| 23:40.32 | goozbach | then offer brick |
| 23:40.37 | goozbach | then I offer lumber |
| 23:40.50 | fozzmoo | Offer. |
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| 23:43.32 | fozzmoo | ~poke jsmith |
| 23:43.34 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind jsmith, pokes jsmith repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 23:43.42 | thesuperbigfrog | tries to bribe sjansen with tasty cups: http://lifehacker.com/5432157/make-drool+worthy-bacon-cups-for-your-holiday-party |
| 23:45.42 | fozzmoo | needs to go shovel soon. |
| 23:46.33 | jsmith | does as well |
| 23:46.46 | jsmith | If y'all would just hurry up and let me win :-p |
| 23:47.54 | goozbach | you have seven points |
| 23:48.00 | goozbach | why haven't you won yet |
| 23:48.21 | fozzmoo | If someone would have just given me some lumber, I might have more than 2 points. :-/ |
| 23:49.43 | jsmith | goozbach: Because we're playing to ten? |
| 23:50.09 | goozbach | who put the robber on my tree monoply? |
| 23:50.24 | jsmith | goozbach: Does it matter? |
| 23:50.56 | jsmith | goozbach: If a robber falls in the forest, does it make a sound? |
| 23:51.02 | tensai | goozbach: it was ibot |
| 23:51.37 | jsmith | tensai: Shh... I wanted him to think it was me, so that he'd get upset and stop thinking rationally |
| 23:52.38 | tensai | fozzmoo: your guy on the right is kinda boxed in. you might try developing your other settlement |
| 23:52.51 | fozzmoo | tensai: Yeah. I forgot about the other settlement. Thx |
| 23:53.21 | fozzmoo | jsmith: Hurry and win! :) |
| 23:53.37 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Doing my best :-) |
| 23:55.35 | goozbach | iobot put the robbler back in my forest! |
| 23:55.42 | Sargun | who is the guy here who works for a phone/DSL company? |
| 23:57.16 | jsmith | Sargun: tensai works for a phone company... |
| 23:57.25 | tensai | don't look at me. pashdown owns one. |
| 23:57.29 | jsmith | Sargun: I work for a phone system company |
| 23:57.52 | Sargun | tensai was the one I was looking for :-P |
| 23:57.59 | Sargun | jsmith, I thought you work for digium? |
| 23:58.03 | tensai | cowers |
| 23:58.05 | Sargun | tensai, mind me PMingy ou? |
| 23:58.18 | jsmith | Sargun: I do... and we build phone systems :-p |
| 23:58.20 | fozzmoo | Hmmm. Something is wrong. |
| 23:58.23 | Sargun | haha. |
| 23:58.33 | jsmith | Sargun: Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition! |
| 23:58.44 | fozzmoo | I can do nothing, but it's my turn. I can't even finish. |
| 23:58.46 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Yeah... you've got a "do not enter" sign on your head |
| 23:58.53 | tensai | "fozz has quit" |
| 23:59.05 | fozzmoo | Huh. Sorry about that. |
| 23:59.06 | goozbach | you have to move the robber? |
| 23:59.09 | fozzmoo | I didn't mean to do that. |
| 23:59.13 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Hmmmn... mine just says "fozz must move the robber" |
| 23:59.14 | fozzmoo | I moved the robber to "11" |
| 23:59.23 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Can you close and reconnect? |
| 23:59.27 | goozbach | dude, did you just ragequit!? |
| 23:59.37 | goozbach | :) |
| 23:59.45 | fozzmoo | Much better. |