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| 01:47.10 | goozbach | gold is the snuggie of investing -- Dave Ramsey |
| 01:47.31 | Nafai | haha |
| 02:37.50 | levi | Glenn Beck got in trouble for his gold shilling with all those meddlesome liberals, like his employers at Fox News. Oh, wait... |
| 02:38.41 | levi | Of course, they don't care about the gold part, just that he's selling someone else's product. |
| 02:42.15 | fozzmoo | Glenn Beck got in trouble? |
| 02:45.06 | fozzmoo | http://www.glennbeck.com/content/videos/?uri=channels/338017/727555 |
| 02:45.41 | fozzmoo | It's so stupid to criticize a guy for endorsing a product that he endorses. |
| 03:24.25 | markl_ | mulicheng: conflict of interest, he was talking about gold during his news show and he is also a paid spokesman for a gold company |
| 03:24.47 | markl_ | but the funny part is the commercial; not really an attack or anything, just silly |
| 03:25.01 | markl_ | i can't resist a good sheep shagging joke |
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| 05:10.32 | j_anon_ | What's going on in this channel? |
| 05:11.39 | LukeJenkins | not much, chat about glenn beck ~3 hours ago |
| 05:11.49 | j_anon_ | that guy's still around? |
| 05:12.11 | LukeJenkins | and getting in trouble for schlepping gold on his show |
| 05:12.23 | LukeJenkins | I guess |
| 05:12.25 | LukeJenkins | news to me |
| 05:12.26 | j_anon_ | i'm scared to google what "schlepping" means |
| 05:12.28 | j_anon_ | it sounds sexual |
| 05:12.30 | LukeJenkins | selling |
| 05:12.35 | LukeJenkins | shilling |
| 05:12.44 | LukeJenkins | being a promoter of |
| 05:12.44 | j_anon_ | still sounds a little sexual |
| 05:12.56 | j_anon_ | he's a pimp now is what you're telling me |
| 05:12.56 | LukeJenkins | sure, most Yiddish words do |
| 05:13.03 | LukeJenkins | hasn't he always been? |
| 05:13.13 | j_anon_ | nah, pimps are tough |
| 05:13.22 | j_anon_ | that guy cries at the drop of a needle |
| 05:13.28 | j_anon_ | that's why he gets all the ladeez |
| 05:13.43 | j_anon_ | sensitive guys, you know how it is with us |
| 05:14.03 | LukeJenkins | I try not to listen to am talk radio, so I guess I'm an uninformed participant in this conversation |
| 05:14.30 | j_anon_ | you're the only person besides me who's even a part of this conversation |
| 05:15.03 | sjansen | WTF? |
| 05:15.08 | sjansen | I just finished an informal benchmark of KVM storage backends. |
| 05:15.13 | sjansen | The winner? qcow2+IDE on ext4 w/o a journal. |
| 05:15.19 | sjansen | qcow2+IDE was faster than qcow2+virtio |
| 05:15.21 | j_anon_ | OMG NO WAI |
| 05:15.24 | sjansen | Both of which were faster than using a raw LV. |
| 05:15.31 | sjansen | For the life of me I can't figure out how adding so many layers made things faster. |
| 05:15.42 | j_anon_ | it's sort of like women |
| 05:32.54 | j_anon_ | did the channel die or was i booted or something? |
| 05:38.45 | j_anon_ | i made a new channel called #crippling-depression if anyone wants to join |
| 05:53.22 | tensai | sjansen: perhaps the winner better lines up with the underlying filesystem? |
| 05:59.07 | levi | You don't have to listen to AM radio anymore, you can watch Glenn Beck on Fox News! |
| 06:07.57 | tensai | wonders if it matches the crazy of Coast to Coast AM |
| 08:03.26 | Supaplex | nom nom nom nom |
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| 12:21.35 | bonez2046 | good morning |
| 12:23.03 | goozbach | tensai: glenn beck is a different kind of crazy from coast to coast |
| 12:24.27 | bonez2046 | different how? |
| 12:24.44 | bonez2046 | I agree.. he's out there, but I like what he says |
| 12:28.25 | goozbach | bonez2046: coast to coast is all about ghosts, and the illumnatai, and contrails, and ESP and remote viewing, and government conspiricies |
| 12:28.42 | goozbach | beck is just alarmist |
| 12:32.32 | bonez2046 | ah, coast to coast radio.. the show.. alright.. |
| 12:32.43 | bonez2046 | somebody has to sound the alarm |
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| 14:45.58 | sontek | anyone know how fast gas generators burn gas if you are just powering a laptop on it? |
| 14:48.11 | RyanE | That would differ based on model, load of laptop, etc. |
| 14:48.36 | RyanE | Most of them are not rated gal / hour, etc. Most are listed at the # of hours at 50% load. |
| 14:49.13 | RyanE | but I suspect the run time is not strictly linear, because there's some load just to spin up the motor, turn the generator with 0% load. |
| 14:49.24 | RyanE | which would differ per unit. |
| 14:56.24 | sjansen | The sky is falling! Wolf! Wolf! Buy gold and guns and women and sheep! |
| 14:59.29 | RyanE | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:12.03 | sontek | yeah, gas generator wont work '12 hour run time at half load' for a 5500 watt one, which is 7 gallons |
| 15:12.16 | sontek | I've decided I want to live in a van, but need to figure out a good way to power my laptop |
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| 15:14.00 | sontek | I was thinking a power inverter would work but I'll be using it a lot when the van isn't on, so don't want to destroy the battery |
| 15:15.18 | sontek | I guess I do get 4hrs of laptop battery life, could pick up to batteries and just turn the van on to charge them |
| 15:15.26 | sontek | two* |
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| 15:45.56 | tensai | sontek: you gonna park your van down by the river? |
| 15:49.51 | RyanE | sontek: I'd also suggest getting a second battery and a high-charge alternator for the van down by the river. |
| 15:49.56 | RyanE | Deep cycle marine battery. |
| 15:50.40 | RyanE | If you get that, and a high-efficiency DC-DC converter for your laptop, you'd probably have some pretty good run times, assuming you ran the van to charge the battery regularly. |
| 15:54.13 | sontek | tensai: RyanE: going to park it down by the ocean :P |
| 15:54.28 | sontek | Going to move to San Jose and live in the van for a year or so |
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| 16:00.08 | goozbach | sontek: search for bigrig APU maybe |
| 16:00.09 | tensai | giving motivational speeches? |
| 16:00.25 | goozbach | whatever the big tractor-trailers use for alternate power |
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| 16:18.33 | Sargun_Screen | goozbach: /j #maemo |
| 16:18.35 | Sargun_Screen | erm |
| 16:30.23 | tensai | o/~ you gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em. know when to walk away, know when to run. ~/o |
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| 16:40.57 | sjansen | tensai: There, there. It'll be all better soon. |
| 16:41.00 | sjansen | holds tensai |
| 16:41.05 | sjansen | folds tensai |
| 16:41.17 | sjansen | walks away |
| 16:41.27 | sjansen | looks back in fear |
| 16:41.29 | sjansen | runs |
| 16:41.35 | tensai | oh my back! |
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| 16:56.21 | eggyknap | hums kenny rogers to himself |
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| 17:03.57 | {sjansen} | counts his money while sitting at the table |
| 17:05.57 | levi | You shouldn't do that. |
| 17:09.32 | tensai | but will there be time for counting later? |
| 17:10.02 | levi | sontek: Do you already have the van? A camper van will probably already have a coach battery and charging setup for it. |
| 17:10.54 | levi | sontek: If you do already have the van, there are a bunch of sites that talk about DIY camper van conversions that include wiring up a secondary coach battery along with a shore power line. |
| 17:22.59 | sontek | levi: I don't have the van yet, but I found one on craigslist for $3500 that I might go grab |
| 17:23.20 | sontek | levi: I was looking at camper vans like the Westfalia, they do seem pretty nice |
| 17:23.43 | sontek | levi: but the coach battery setup definitely sounds like what I want |
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| 17:34.57 | fozzmoo | End of the year seems to be the time for these: http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=2005 |
| 17:35.07 | fozzmoo | Uh. That's not what I meant to paste. |
| 17:35.13 | fozzmoo | http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7651/2/ |
| 17:35.28 | fozzmoo | [ The Five Distros That Changed Linux ] |
| 17:35.35 | fozzmoo | ~lart brac |
| 17:35.35 | ibot | executes killall -KILL brac |
| 17:35.44 | fozzmoo | (It looks like someone already did that.) |
| 17:40.42 | sontek | man I love weechat, its so powerful |
| 17:42.54 | sontek | fozzmoo: I'd say caldera changed the world, but then no one picked up on it |
| 17:42.59 | sontek | fozzmoo: I still miss that tetris installer |
| 17:43.04 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 17:43.30 | fozzmoo | Yeah- it's funny nobody's bothered to make their installers quite as interesting. |
| 17:43.46 | fozzmoo | I guess everyone's working on automating theirs. |
| 17:44.01 | sontek | Yeah, thats the wrong way to go, tetris is the future |
| 17:44.02 | decriptor_ | with live installers now it almost obsoletes the good old caledra install |
| 17:44.27 | sontek | Get network support and some tetrinet action and i'll format everyday |
| 17:44.35 | decriptor_ | lol |
| 17:44.49 | decriptor_ | sontek: are you running linux again? I thought you were a windows only guy now |
| 17:45.16 | sontek | decriptor: I came back Nov 10th |
| 17:45.35 | decriptor | sontek: what are you running these days? |
| 17:45.47 | sontek | decriptor: Ubuntu Karmic |
| 17:45.53 | decriptor | cool |
| 17:46.27 | sontek | decriptor: thinking of switching to mint but we'll see, been playing with it in virtual box |
| 17:46.52 | decriptor | cool. I've heard good things about mint and arch for those that want to live on the edge ;) |
| 17:47.15 | decriptor | goes to the lab to move some bread racks around |
| 17:48.02 | sontek | I'm an edge liver! |
| 17:49.06 | Nafai | you are a liver? |
| 17:49.11 | Nafai | you probably shouldn't drink so much then |
| 17:50.17 | harleypig | http://www.redriderleglamps.com/Store.cfm;jsessionid=84301100d19f6e498076TR?category=13&position=1&CFID=1641318&CFTOKEN=24562847 |
| 17:52.47 | {sjansen} | "Fedora is how you get there. Enterprise Linux is how you stay there." |
| 17:53.56 | Nafai | I wouldn't want to be "there" where "there" is. |
| 17:56.08 | {sjansen} | is sad that Nafai doesn't want to join him in the magical land of Fame, Fortune & Happiness |
| 17:56.28 | {sjansen} | What if I promised you all the gold, guns and sheep you could want? |
| 17:56.57 | Nafai | not really interested in guns and sheep |
| 17:57.09 | Nafai | and interested in gold only if Glenn Beck will give me much monies for it |
| 18:00.40 | harleypig | http://hawtness.com/2009/12/16/wtf-girl-photo-more-love-from-vulcan/ |
| 18:00.58 | mulicheng | It's funny, I don't listen to much radio, just on the way to work and back a bit... I flip the channels some. On the same channel: Glenn Beck says buy gold, then right after him Dave Ramsey comes on and says how much buying gold doesn't make sense. |
| 18:01.24 | Nafai | mulicheng: oh man, who do I believe?????? |
| 18:01.50 | {sjansen} | Believe me. Buy AOL CDs. |
| 18:01.54 | mulicheng | Me! |
| 18:02.33 | mulicheng | And I say, purchase a share of my house payment each month :P |
| 18:06.21 | fozzmoo | Well, both Beck and Ramsey are on the "Get the hell out of debt already" bandwagon. |
| 18:06.40 | harleypig | http://probablybadnews.com/2009/12/17/funny-news-headlines-office-employs-new-morale-boosting-techniques/ |
| 18:07.04 | mulicheng | I wish I was out of debt. Don't care who promotes it. |
| 18:07.11 | fozzmoo | harleypig: I thoroughly enjoyed that Hawtness yesterday. There's been some good Hawtness lately. |
| 18:07.55 | harleypig | fozzmoo: yeah, though today's was slightly nsfw ... :> |
| 18:08.08 | Nafai | fozzmoo: Reasonable principle :) |
| 18:08.09 | fozzmoo | Yuh! |
| 18:08.19 | Nafai | I'm trying to get the heck out of debt |
| 18:08.46 | harleypig | I parsed that as 'get the heck out of Dodge' for some reason |
| 18:10.36 | fozzmoo | Some people make the mistake of going into debt for a Dodge. |
| 18:10.36 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.23 | mulicheng | Our economy is based on debt. |
| 18:11.42 | fozzmoo | http://failblog.org/2009/12/17/christmas-decorations-fail/ |
| 18:11.45 | mulicheng | If we all listen to Dave Ramsey, it goes into recession. |
| 18:12.04 | fozzmoo | And if we all listen to Glenn Beck, we all get depression. :) |
| 18:12.04 | mulicheng | Seems we ought to fix it somehow but I don't know how. |
| 18:12.12 | mulicheng | I'm not an economist. |
| 18:12.35 | harleypig | mulicheng: fix it Fight Club style :> |
| 18:12.36 | mulicheng | so I'll try to get out of debt myself, but everyone else keep spending/buying :) |
| 18:13.19 | fozzmoo | Some would say we need to gradually move away from being pure consumers and start producing more. |
| 18:13.19 | fozzmoo | http://failblog.org/2009/12/17/christmas-decorations-fail/ |
| 18:13.37 | harleypig | you already did that one |
| 18:13.45 | fozzmoo | Oh. |
| 18:13.51 | fozzmoo | There's some good fail today. |
| 18:14.19 | {sjansen} | Producers? Sounds like Hollywood communist talk to me. |
| 18:15.10 | {sjansen} | runs off to tattle to Glen Beck about fozzmoo being a closet communist |
| 18:16.19 | fozzmoo | {sjansen}: when you find Glen Beck, give him my condolences for all the hate/fan mail that was mis-addressed to him. |
| 18:17.02 | fozzmoo | Heh heh: My wife: I don't want zombies for children. Me: People rarely do. |
| 18:17.18 | {sjansen} | fozzmoo: Why do you hate our freedom? |
| 18:18.07 | fozzmoo | {sjansen}: Hmmm. Because people with freedom do stupid things... like vote for stupid politicians. |
| 18:18.22 | {sjansen} | Brains! |
| 18:18.24 | fozzmoo | And have stupid kids. |
| 18:18.28 | {sjansen} | Brains! |
| 18:18.42 | fozzmoo | ... and eat brains. |
| 18:18.44 | {sjansen} | Brains! |
| 18:19.12 | mulicheng | heh, some website was talking about demographics of voters, it said democrats vote for stupid politicians. |
| 18:20.07 | fozzmoo | I'd say that's true for Massachussets. |
| 18:20.37 | mulicheng | I think it's true universally.. |
| 18:20.42 | mulicheng | for everyone |
| 18:20.44 | fozzmoo | "Bawney Fwank" |
| 18:20.57 | mulicheng | if you vote, you are voting for a stupid politician :) |
| 18:24.53 | {sjansen} | Well, if we're going to trot out the "studies", it's been statistically shown that Republican voters are scaredy cats. |
| 18:26.30 | Nafai | {sjansen}: no wonder the fear-mongering works! :) |
| 18:26.42 | mulicheng | It sure seems to be working with the Glenn followers. |
| 18:27.51 | mulicheng | Maybe Gold is a good buy, because so many people are scared and listen to Glenn Beck... just sell before they figure out it isn't that great of an investment :) |
| 18:28.14 | fozzmoo | Republican voters? People who vote for Republican candidates or people who identify themselves as Republican? |
| 18:29.42 | fozzmoo | If the dollar continues to tumble, it's not that bad of an investment. |
| 18:30.23 | {sjansen} | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726411.800-are-political-leanings-all-in-the-genes.html |
| 18:30.48 | {sjansen} | Best quote from the article: "I keep expecting Jost to show that conservatism is negatively correlated with penis size" |
| 18:34.19 | unum | dollar tumble? |
| 18:34.25 | unum | checks some sources |
| 18:34.25 | fozzmoo | That is a good quote. |
| 18:36.22 | fozzmoo | http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/US/M |
| 18:39.04 | {sjansen} | A decline in the dollar is inevitable as long as we continue to increase our debt. But any short term predictions are no better than stock predictions. |
| 18:40.07 | fozzmoo | increase our debt or go into a period of inflation. |
| 18:40.58 | unum | but are we in a period of deflation |
| 18:41.02 | unum | s/are/aren't |
| 18:41.24 | {sjansen} | It appears that way, yes. |
| 18:41.34 | fozzmoo | Alright, here's some brain torture. |
| 18:41.36 | fozzmoo | http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2009/12/i-am-proud-to-lead-you-men-to-the-nearest-offramp.html |
| 18:41.41 | unum | which of course increases the value of our dept |
| 18:41.43 | unum | debt |
| 18:41.50 | unum | because deflation increases the value of the dollar |
| 18:41.58 | unum | and our debt is kept in dollars |
| 18:42.02 | {sjansen} | Only if people think we can pay it off without devaluing the currency. |
| 18:42.39 | unum | now we can have in inflation and reduce the value of our debt |
| 18:42.52 | unum | and in the process totally destroy our econonmy..... |
| 18:42.55 | unum | like carter did |
| 18:43.04 | unum | minor inflation is not a bad thing |
| 18:43.09 | unum | deflation is |
| 18:44.15 | fozzmoo | Major inflation would be great. |
| 18:44.32 | {sjansen} | Only for those with debt. |
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| 18:44.40 | fozzmoo | We could pay off our 100 trillion in debt and unfunded liabilities with the equivalent of a box of mac & cheese. |
| 18:44.49 | unum | I wish I had bought gold when I bought a condo. I would sell it now and buy property |
| 18:44.59 | {sjansen} | Speak as a person with a net positive worth, I don't relish the thought of inflation. |
| 18:45.06 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 18:45.28 | unum | speaking as someone with negative net worth, this deflation is killing me |
| 18:45.48 | unum | the dollar needs to stop getting worth more |
| 18:46.18 | harleypig | http://www.sketchysantas.com/ |
| 18:46.51 | {sjansen} | Cry me a river. It's all y'all and your ridiculously expensive homes. Only reason I don't have a mortgage is y'all made 'em too crazy expensive. |
| 18:47.52 | {sjansen} | Now y'all are going to destroy the economy and I won't even have a decent place to keep my guns and women. |
| 18:48.21 | fozzmoo | Jayce^! Come quick! {sjansen}'s got guns! |
| 18:48.54 | unum | did you see colbert the other day? |
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| 19:24.03 | sjansen | ping elg |
| 19:29.45 | elg | ~lart sjansen |
| 19:29.45 | ibot | nabs the moon and broadsides sjansen with the sea of tranquility |
| 19:30.02 | elg | ~steal sjansen's worth |
| 19:30.02 | ibot | ACTION grabs sjansen's worth and gives it to elg |
| 19:30.12 | elg | ~botsnack |
| 19:30.12 | ibot | thanks, elg |
| 19:30.39 | sjansen | elg: Watch it bucko, or I'll be forced to hold you then fold you, just like poor tensai. |
| 19:30.53 | elg | poor poor tensai. I knew him well |
| 19:31.28 | sjansen | http://gawker.com/5426176/facebooks-great-betrayal |
| 19:32.00 | sjansen | First elg joins FB, then FB turns evil. Coincidence? |
| 19:32.14 | elg | absolutely not |
| 19:32.30 | sjansen | My question is: Does this mean I have to draw little Hilter mustaches on all my pictures of elg? |
| 19:33.29 | elg | you have photoshopped pictures of me? not doing anything unseemly with harleypig I hope |
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| 19:34.17 | elg | fires off a reminder friend invite to sjansen |
| 19:36.52 | sjansen | WTF? How does FB know I know all those people? |
| 19:38.12 | elg | what people? |
| 19:38.30 | elg | did it include a list of peeps you might know and/or who have sent you an invitation previously? |
| 19:39.22 | elg | ppl you might know is easy - we're already connected to each other, so you being connected (by invitation) to a couple of us makes it easy to extrapolate you probably belong to the same clique |
| 19:40.02 | sjansen | About half of them are probably a direct result of Topher and you. But my brother and my roommate? They must have sold me out by handing over their addressbooks. No clue how FB managed one of them, though. |
| 19:40.33 | elg | heh |
| 19:41.42 | elg | There is a contact importer you can run for various things like gmail or yahoo or msn or aim etc. |
| 19:41.57 | elg | it doesn't automatically send out invitations, you choose which people you want to invite |
| 19:42.06 | sjansen | I'm fully aware. It has spammed various lists I'm on. |
| 19:42.08 | elg | but perhaps it made the connection that way. i don't know, haven't used it or looked at its code |
| 19:43.17 | elg | so maybe your pals didn't invite you because they're tired of living in your shadow, but they did use the contact importer and so it knows to connect you up. just guessing |
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| 19:54.15 | decriptor | sorry if I'm re announcing - http://feeds.ziffdavisenterprise.com/~r/RSS/eweeklinux/~3/H78JlBS2Vrc/ |
| 19:54.23 | decriptor | Canonical, the sponsor of Ubuntu Linux, has announced that Mark Shuttleworth will be stepping down as CEO |
| 19:54.49 | sjansen | Whoa... |
| 19:55.29 | Nafai | Just a role change |
| 19:55.39 | decriptor | COO will become the CEO |
| 19:55.42 | Nafai | Not indicating anything about the health of the company or its direction |
| 19:56.32 | decriptor | right. Mark will be more of a design build vendor relations guy |
| 19:56.40 | decriptor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.18 | decriptor | seems like it will prove to be a good move for canonical |
| 19:57.35 | sjansen | See, if Shuttleworth has just bought gold, he wouldn't be in this predicament now. |
| 19:57.51 | sjansen | s/has/had/ |
| 20:05.44 | tensai | would rather buy bacon than gold |
| 20:09.53 | harleypig | elg: heh |
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| 20:48.15 | sontek | I'm connected to everyone I want to be connected with on facebook, usually when I get the 'you haven't spoken with this person in awhile, reconnect!' I just go and unfriend them, because there is a reason I don't talk to them anymore lol |
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| 20:52.57 | Jayce^ | tries unfriending sontek in IRC :-p |
| 20:53.18 | Jayce^ | think that just /ignore, wouldn't you say? |
| 20:53.49 | sontek | Jayce^: or if you use weechat you can use a filter! |
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| 21:25.04 | levi | sontek: I've got a Eurovan Weekender. There are a few places that specialize in selling refurbished and warrantied VW camper vans. |
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| 21:40.13 | tristanbob_ | I need a recommendation where to have a private lunch meeting for 7 people |
| 21:40.21 | tristanbob_ | in SLC |
| 21:40.40 | elg | in a raft on the great lake |
| 21:40.56 | bug- | heehee. |
| 21:41.14 | tristanbob_ | brine shrimp for all! (any serious answers) |
| 21:41.30 | bug- | how private? |
| 21:41.44 | elg | what's the budget? la caille out of the question? |
| 21:41.58 | elg | how much do you need to impress? :) |
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| 21:47.10 | tristanbob_ | elg, I think we would be are looking for $15 and under |
| 21:47.34 | sjansen | is a big fan of Thaifoon |
| 21:47.54 | bug- | tasty thai is better >.> |
| 21:48.14 | elg | op.fr00d |
| 21:48.30 | bug- | wait, not that one. I forgot. |
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| 22:18.19 | unum | http://www.geek.nl/pics/dilbert-arch/dilbert-20060129.gif |
| 22:19.48 | elg | so passwordmaker is pretty spiffy, but far too complicated |
| 22:20.28 | goozbach | passwordmaker? |
| 22:20.33 | goozbach | what's wrong with apg? |
| 22:21.08 | elg | there's very little hope i'd be able to recover my passwords after a hard disk crash unless I write down all the little options that I used, in which case it's just security by obscurity. I should only have to tell it a master password |
| 22:21.10 | elg | apg? |
| 22:22.03 | tensai | passwordsafe (win) or pwsafe (linux) |
| 22:22.23 | elg | i don't want a safe |
| 22:22.36 | tensai | maybe I misunderstand then |
| 22:22.54 | elg | i want an algorithmic password based on a strong secret (master password), domain (e.g. facebook.com or any text string I feed it), and username. |
| 22:23.15 | elg | passwordmaker.org it does that, but has wayyyy too many options and the defaults apparently drift. |
| 22:24.57 | elg | then if my hdd crashes, I just go get the program again, remember my master password, then I can generate my pws again |
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| 22:28.05 | mulicheng | I just use 123abc for my password everywhere. |
| 22:28.09 | mulicheng | it makes things a lot simpler. |
| 22:28.12 | bugQ | hee |
| 22:28.15 | bugQ | could write a little pw hasher for your phone or something. |
| 22:28.24 | mulicheng | don't have to worry about forgetting passwords |
| 22:28.50 | mulicheng | have you ever tried to ask your wife to read you a stong root password over your cell phone because you forgot to bring the password sheet? |
| 22:29.09 | mulicheng | underscore, dash, then what again? |
| 22:29.14 | mulicheng | start over honey. |
| 22:29.24 | mulicheng | yup, back to 123abc for everything ;) |
| 22:29.31 | elg | that's why I only use characters like |
| 22:29.37 | elg | øa£åµ |
| 22:30.16 | bugQ | I just make them so I can pronounce them as a mnemonic |
| 22:30.29 | mulicheng | ä½ å¥½ã |
| 22:30.43 | mulicheng | Just use chinese passwords :) |
| 22:31.11 | mulicheng | wonder if you can get chinese input to work on your prompt for login. |
| 22:31.15 | mulicheng | and passwd etc. |
| 22:31.37 | tensai | I imagine chinese people have figured it out :) |
| 22:31.48 | mulicheng | They type with english a lot too. |
| 22:32.21 | mulicheng | Keyboards are qwerty layout with chinese overlay symbols |
| 22:32.29 | tensai | ããã ã |
| 22:33.02 | mulicheng | æ¥æ¬è¯ |
| 22:33.32 | unum | if you use unicode based password system that does give you a lot more possible charcs |
| 22:33.53 | elg | there's a wrinkle there |
| 22:34.19 | tensai | mulicheng: do you speak chinese? |
| 22:34.23 | mulicheng | Yeah |
| 22:34.33 | elg | within a day of using one of these fangled things, I found a website that didn't like special chars like ( or * |
| 22:34.41 | mulicheng | I speak it progressively worse as time goes by. |
| 22:34.45 | elg | imagine unicode |
| 22:34.51 | elg | soon he'll be unicheng |
| 22:35.03 | tensai | mulicheng: figured. your èª is a simplified chinese style. japanese would use that one instead. |
| 22:35.33 | mulicheng | Yeah, my input just happened to pull up the simplified version instead. |
| 22:35.54 | mulicheng | I'd have preferred the traditional.. I served a mission in Taiwan. |
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| 22:50.39 | tensai | mulicheng: how do you read æ¥æ¬èª in mandarin? |
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| 22:51.40 | tensai | anybody explain to me how the missionary pouch mail works? |
| 22:52.04 | maquis | was thinking it'd been awful quiet in here... then i realized i'd disconnected |
| 22:52.15 | maquis | tensai: very well in my experience |
| 22:52.37 | Sargun | missionary pouch mail? |
| 22:52.37 | maquis | letters only, but they actually make it to the missionary |
| 22:53.10 | maquis | (unlike mail sent just about any other way for some countries) |
| 22:53.16 | mulicheng | tensai: what do you mean? |
| 22:53.20 | mulicheng | like how does it sound? |
| 22:53.27 | tensai | mulicheng: yeah |
| 22:53.39 | mulicheng | r ben yu |
| 22:53.59 | maquis | mulicheng: japanese? |
| 22:54.00 | mulicheng | r is not pronounced "are", it's like rrrr |
| 22:54.07 | mulicheng | no mandarin |
| 22:54.22 | mulicheng | bun |
| 22:54.28 | mulicheng | rrr bun yu |
| 22:54.39 | mulicheng | is a closer approximization |
| 22:54.48 | maquis | mulicheng: yes, but it means japanese |
| 22:54.52 | mulicheng | Yes |
| 22:54.55 | maquis | :) |
| 22:55.18 | tensai | perhaps someone should point out that you both speak chinese |
| 22:55.30 | maquis | ni hao :) |
| 22:55.39 | mulicheng | ä½ ä¼çä¸äºé©¬ï¼ |
| 22:56.12 | maquis | wo de terminal bu hui zuo unicode |
| 22:56.13 | tensai | mulicheng: it's amazing how differently that reads from the japanese |
| 22:56.19 | mulicheng | ! |
| 22:56.33 | mulicheng | yeah |
| 22:56.39 | maquis | well.. actually, it can do about half of the characteers you put there |
| 22:57.33 | maquis | wo shuo zhongwen shuo de bu hao, dan shi wo xi huan fuxi |
| 22:57.48 | mulicheng | fuxi? |
| 22:57.56 | maquis | practice |
| 22:57.57 | tensai | ah. this explains it. http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/51446/Pouch-service-has-new-regulations.html |
| 22:58.05 | mulicheng | I'd have said lien xi |
| 22:58.10 | mulicheng | or sue xi |
| 22:58.32 | maquis | i've never heard sue xi, but i've seen lian xi |
| 22:58.33 | tensai | Sargun: the mormon church runs a courier service for missionaries in places where mail service is unreliable |
| 22:58.46 | maquis | tensai: like cambodia :) |
| 22:59.03 | mulicheng | æçä¸æä¹ä¸å¤ªå¥½ã |
| 22:59.10 | maquis | :) |
| 22:59.10 | sjansen | Kinda like a diplomatic pouch, but less useful for smuggling diamonds. |
| 22:59.30 | maquis | wo hui kan na xie zi |
| 23:00.15 | maquis | mulicheng: did you learn chinese for your mission or someplace else? |
| 23:00.26 | elg | wow so much for privacy |
| 23:00.31 | fungus | ~x en jp It's also used to spy on naughty missionaries |
| 23:00.43 | mulicheng | marquis: yes, in Taiwan |
| 23:00.53 | mulicheng | ni ne? |
| 23:01.09 | maquis | most of the guys i met who learned chinese for missions never learned characters |
| 23:01.22 | mulicheng | I got up every day at 5. |
| 23:01.24 | maquis | i studied in school |
| 23:01.26 | mulicheng | The geek in me. |
| 23:01.31 | tensai | fungus: not too bad of a translation |
| 23:01.47 | tensai | "it's also used on naughty missionary spies" |
| 23:01.57 | maquis | just way out of practice now... |
| 23:02.20 | fungus | ~congratulate ibot |
| 23:02.21 | ibot | ACTION congratulates ibot on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 23:02.26 | tensai | maquis: most japanese missionaries never learn to read and write either |
| 23:02.27 | maquis | 5th-7th, 11th-12th and a couple random semesters in college |
| 23:03.27 | mulicheng | Good language to know. |
| 23:03.42 | mulicheng | So when our chinese overlords rule the world we can survive. |
| 23:04.17 | sjansen | Whatever. If you ask me, it'd be smarter to prepare to fight reavers. |
| 23:04.26 | maquis | 11th grade was the first time after kindergarten where i was not required to study a language.... it was too weird not to have a language class, though, and my high school added chinese as an optionthat year |
| 23:05.39 | mulicheng | reavers? starcraft reference? |
| 23:06.03 | fozzmoo | Reavers... Firefly/Serenity reference. |
| 23:06.55 | tensai | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaver_%28Firefly%29 |
| 23:06.58 | mulicheng | Ah |
| 23:07.07 | maquis | laughs at b&n... |
| 23:07.09 | mulicheng | Starcraft has reavers too. |
| 23:07.30 | fozzmoo | And then... there's this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUEypqnjufw |
| 23:08.33 | maquis | who sticks the os for an embedded device on a microsd card if they 1) dont want it to be hacked, and 2) dont want to be blasted for poor performance |
| 23:10.07 | fozzmoo | maquis: You bashing this Nook thing? |
| 23:10.20 | maquis | fozzmoo: of ccourse |
| 23:10.31 | fozzmoo | Okay. |
| 23:10.44 | maquis | we're a 2-kindle family here |
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| 23:16.02 | mulicheng | ~x zh en 大家好 |
| 23:16.20 | mulicheng | ~x ch en 大家好 |
| 23:17.21 | mulicheng | oh well. |
| 23:19.24 | maquis | heh |
| 23:20.08 | tensai | what a retarded spam filter! |
| 23:20.17 | maquis | grumbles at the fact that the pediatrician says she has to wake her daughter up for feedings... |
| 23:20.36 | tensai | it received a null sender bounce from my server |
| 23:21.03 | fozzmoo | maquis: Because? You'd rather just feed her when she wakes up on her own? |
| 23:21.07 | mulicheng | maquis: ignore the doc |
| 23:21.08 | tensai | instead of delivering it and dropping any possible replies, it responded with an out-of-office message to mailer-daemon@my.host.com |
| 23:21.47 | maquis | fozzmoo: yeah... |
| 23:21.52 | maquis | especially at nights |
| 23:21.56 | fozzmoo | Docs are always so concerned about kids gaining weight. |
| 23:22.04 | fozzmoo | It's stupid. |
| 23:22.07 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 23:22.13 | maquis | last night, my alarm didn't go off, so we went for about 7.5 hours between feedings |
| 23:22.29 | maquis | (meaning mommy managed to get like 6.5 straight hours of sleep) |
| 23:22.32 | fozzmoo | maquis: If you're breastfeeding, that could be painful to go that long. |
| 23:22.42 | maquis | fozzmoo: it wasn't too bad, actually |
| 23:22.47 | tensai | maquis: our doc was telling us to supplement with formula because our girl wasn't growing fast enough |
| 23:22.49 | mulicheng | seriously, we have 5 kids, it becomes obvious that moms know how to raise kids and pediatritions are just covering their butts so they don't get sued after about 3 visits with onw. |
| 23:22.49 | fozzmoo | maquis: whew |
| 23:22.53 | tensai | we politely ignored him |
| 23:23.15 | mulicheng | yeah, we pretty much ignore everything they tell us and just do what we feel is right/best. |
| 23:23.15 | maquis | apparently 2-week olds aren't supposed to go 7 hours between feedings... |
| 23:23.26 | mulicheng | if it happens to intersect somewhere, fine. |
| 23:23.41 | mulicheng | things like waking the kid up we disagree on, oh well, our kids are all healthy happy. |
| 23:24.03 | fozzmoo | maquis: I think with most things, it's probably not a good idea to do it every night, but you're probably safe to miss on occasion. |
| 23:24.13 | mulicheng | I'd jump for joy if I had a 2 week old sleeping that long... or I'd just sleep longer myself, something like that! |
| 23:24.19 | maquis | mulicheng: you do have enough kids to have a good bit more experience, though... |
| 23:24.25 | maquis | doesn't even know what she's doing |
| 23:24.37 | mulicheng | I'd let them sleep as long as they sleep unless you suspect something wrong. |
| 23:24.40 | mulicheng | sleep is not wrong. |
| 23:24.54 | maquis | fact that she's not gotten back to birth weight? :) |
| 23:25.02 | mulicheng | train them to sleep through the night now, not when they're 8 months old and still crying at 2 in the morning. |
| 23:25.15 | mulicheng | normal for babies to loose birth weight. |
| 23:25.24 | mulicheng | if she eats healthy during the day don't worry about it. |
| 23:25.34 | maquis | good to know |
| 23:25.40 | maquis | i knew it's normal for them to lose weight |
| 23:25.59 | maquis | but supposedly they're supposed to start gaining at some point... i just don't know when :) |
| 23:26.23 | mulicheng | my sister has kids that are in the 0th percentile of weight. |
| 23:26.26 | tensai | kids who are breastfed are pretty hard to screw up. if they're not getting enough they'll let you know. |
| 23:26.31 | mulicheng | they still turn out fine/happy |
| 23:26.39 | tensai | mulicheng: you beat me. ours was in the 2nd percentile |
| 23:26.44 | mulicheng | the docs screams at her constantly to feed them fat/etc |
| 23:26.58 | mulicheng | my own kids are usually about average |
| 23:26.59 | maquis | heh |
| 23:27.19 | mulicheng | seriously, she gets stuff like feed them tons of peanut butter |
| 23:27.31 | maquis | as long as they're not in the 0th percentage for weight in high school |
| 23:27.38 | bugQ | as a general rule for life I wouldn't worry too much...my parents took courses, read books, consulted doctors etc. like crazy and they still had no clue what they were doing |
| 23:27.51 | tensai | they go through phases too. sometimes they pig out, sometimes they back off. |
| 23:27.56 | maquis | i've known too many kids who intentionally got themselves into the 0th percentil for weight in high school |
| 23:27.57 | mulicheng | yeah, mostly go with what feels right to you. |
| 23:28.28 | mulicheng | and don't stress over the doc trying to get your kid to meet some standard. |
| 23:29.25 | maquis | heh |
| 23:29.25 | mulicheng | æéè¦çèµ°. |
| 23:29.28 | bugQ | oh ya! I was 5th percentile for height so they almost got me to take HGH. i'm glad that didn't work out |
| 23:29.44 | bugQ | I don't mind being small. |
| 23:30.12 | Nafai | bugQ: How small are you? |
| 23:30.18 | mulicheng | s/ç// |
| 23:30.27 | mulicheng | hey, it worked! |
| 23:30.29 | mulicheng | ibot++ |
| 23:31.06 | bugQ | um, I don't remember, honestly |
| 23:31.19 | bugQ | shorter than 6ft. |
| 23:31.30 | Nafai | That's not really narrowing it down to small :) |
| 23:31.52 | Nafai | Just ask anyone who knows me :) |
| 23:32.13 | bugQ | well, I wouldn't say I'm outside of "average" |
| 23:32.35 | maquis | é you shenme yisi? |
| 23:32.57 | bugQ | chinese is the new english, isn't it... |
| 23:33.11 | Nafai | Yeah, I'm not quite average |
| 23:33.34 | maquis | bugQ: yup |
| 23:34.11 | bugQ | well at least that simplifies my language studies. |
| 23:35.06 | Nafai | <- 4'6" here |
| 23:36.02 | bugQ | è¨èªã«ã¯ãã¾ã æ¥æ¬èªããåå¼·ããªãã£ãã®ã§ã |
| 23:36.53 | bugQ | oh wow. I feel taller already! ^.^ |
| 23:37.18 | maquis | bugQ: i see "æ¥æ¬èª" which is japanese language |
| 23:37.20 | maquis | :) |
| 23:37.35 | maquis | that part's the same between chinese and japanese :) |
| 23:37.53 | bugQ | it just says I haven't yet studied anything besides japanese. |
| 23:37.58 | maquis | ah |
| 23:39.29 | maquis | wanders off to finish decorating the tree |
| 23:42.36 | bugQ | oddly though I have wondered what it would be like at 1 meter |
| 23:43.06 | sjansen | dreams of a future when libvirt and virt-manager aren't so crash happy |
| 23:43.53 | fozzmoo | My kids do better than that - usually 60-90th percentiles. for everything. |
| 23:44.17 | fozzmoo | dreams of a future when the US isn't so crash-happy. |
| 23:44.29 | bugQ | oh dear yes. |
| 23:44.57 | bugQ | we sure like our flexible spending accounts |
| 23:45.05 | fozzmoo | heh heh. Just got e-mail from some Via-West sales guy. |
| 23:45.24 | fozzmoo | Wants to set up a meeting to talk about Iodynamics' colocation needs. |
| 23:45.32 | fozzmoo | Says it's been a while since we've talked. |
| 23:45.38 | bugQ | and "0%" credit cards |
| 23:45.59 | fozzmoo | I wrote back and said, "Yeah, it has been a while, especially since Iodynamics hasn't been in business since 2007!" |
| 23:46.11 | fozzmoo | Now maybe they'll stop bothering me. |
| 23:46.14 | fozzmoo | Probably not. |
| 23:46.26 | fozzmoo | I'll probably have to go through the same thing with this guy's successor. |
| 23:50.10 | Nafai | Heh. |
| 23:57.59 | tensai | anybody else get duplicate sms messages from twitter? |
| 23:58.14 | Nafai | I don't have it send me SMS |
| 23:58.46 | tensai | I do just for a few news accounts. stuff I might really need to know. |
