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| 14:28.03 | sontek | ok, after a ew tweaks weechat is pretty nice :) |
| 14:28.26 | sontek | fixed a couple bad default settings and added the egrep script :) |
| 14:29.54 | eightyeight | is the ordering of window activity still sorted based on most recent activity rather than numerically? |
| 14:31.37 | sontek | eightyeight: thats one of the bad defaults I had to fix :P |
| 14:31.46 | eightyeight | how did you change it? |
| 14:32.21 | sontek | hotlist_sort = number_asc |
| 14:32.24 | sontek | in the conf |
| 14:32.37 | sontek | i.e /set hotlist_sort number_asc |
| 14:33.18 | eightyeight | i might retry it then. that was a show stopper for me when i tried it a couple years back |
| 14:33.54 | sontek | That was the first annoying thing, then the bouncing between buffers when you hit alt-# was annoying |
| 14:34.10 | sontek | it'd jump between the previous and current buffer |
| 14:34.19 | sontek | and then I needed /lastlog support, thats what egrep does |
| 14:34.29 | sontek | so now I feel like I'm in irssi++ :) |
| 14:34.33 | eightyeight | yeah. that was stopper #2 |
| 14:34.39 | eightyeight | /lastlog is critical |
| 14:37.56 | eightyeight | speaking of irc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ |
| 14:40.47 | sontek | haha yeah I saw that episode |
| 14:40.53 | sontek | I love tv hacking :P |
| 14:41.48 | sontek | brb |
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| 14:43.03 | sontek | can you highlight me? |
| 14:44.11 | eightyeight | sontek: ping |
| 14:48.39 | sontek | night, I added a plugin goozbach recommended... keeps all highlights in a specific window |
| 14:48.42 | sontek | thats handy :) |
| 14:49.33 | sontek | nice* |
| 14:49.53 | sontek | I'm definitely a fan of weechat now |
| 14:53.46 | eightyeight | you can also do that with irssi |
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| 16:24.43 | whiteinge | eightyeight / sontek: what is /lastlog? I read the help for it in irssi but I ddidn't follow. can you give me a use-case? |
| 16:25.08 | sontek | whiteinge: allows you to search for something said in the buffer |
| 16:25.08 | sontek | whiteinge: i.e type /lastlog weechat |
| 16:25.15 | sontek | and it'll show you that last things said about weechat |
| 16:25.36 | whiteinge | I see. Thanks. |
| 16:26.13 | bonez20467 | sjansen: got a new question for you.. let's say you are running Suse, and somehow, you BREAK your video.., you manually wipe out some part of your X11 or otherwise, and now you are stuck in console character mode, no gui.. other than reinstalling or reconfiguring, how would you sleuth out where the breakage was, to get the GUI reenabled? |
| 16:27.42 | sjansen | No GUI? That's barbaric! I'd go back to Mac OS. |
| 16:33.42 | sontek | bonez20467: other than doing a Xorg -configure? |
| 16:33.57 | bonez20467 | ok.. I am still stuck on my java dilemma.. but wanted to couch my question such that you wouldn't toss me out directly.. I have broken something with java on my machine.. and dont' want to have to reinstall just to get java working.. how do I trace through the problem with java? I can't run a webinar...because the webex server says java is not working.. |
| 16:34.08 | bonez20467 | sontek: I was trying to deflect the blow and Flames I anticipated from sjansen when I asked again about my nagging java issues... |
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| 16:36.09 | bonez20467 | alas, I fear my petition will have backfired anyway. |
| 16:37.17 | sontek | bonez20467: yeah, debuging xorg and debugging java are completely different problems :P |
| 16:39.30 | bonez20467 | well, my current problem is debuggin java.. all I care that java will do is WORK in firefox.. i.e, let me run, load pages that have java graphical elements.. that's all I need |
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| 16:40.30 | sontek | and whats it do right now? |
| 16:42.05 | bonez20467 | ok, I am watching a webinar from sun on virtualbox.. I launched firefox 3.5.5 on ubuntu 9.10.. it came up with abox as I tried to log in and said.. Oh, java is not working, enable java.. and then reload.. I went to the control in ff to disable then closed and then reopened and reenabled.. and it's all checked but it's not working.. so the vbox webinar would not load, it requires java to run.. |
| 16:43.37 | bonez20467 | the webinar is using webex.. but I attempted this yesterday on a different webinar.. which used gotomeeting.. neither one would load.. said java was not running |
| 16:43.37 | bonez20467 | damned netsplit.. |
| 16:44.14 | bonez20467 | sontek: ? did you get cut in the split? |
| 16:44.34 | sontek | of course not, i'm immune to netsplits |
| 16:44.56 | sontek | so I still don't think you answered what is 'not working' |
| 16:44.58 | sontek | whats it doing? |
| 16:44.59 | bonez20467 | oh.. |
| 16:45.06 | sontek | giving you a gray box but not loading the webinar? |
| 16:45.08 | sontek | crashing? |
| 16:45.37 | bonez20467 | it's not loading the page which runs on, requires, nay demands that java be working in order to loadl..it's not loading the page.... becausae it senses that my ff install does not have java working.. |
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| 16:46.13 | sontek | do you have the java plugin for firefox installed? |
| 16:46.19 | bonez20467 | it comes up and says.. it can not load because java is not enabled, despite the fact that the boxes for java are all marked ENABLED in the controls under Preferneces in Firefox.. |
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| 16:47.16 | bonez20467 | I have clicked on and initiated the install of the plugin, but despite doing that, the firefox plugins do not show up in the plugin list.. |
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| 16:47.26 | sontek | Instsalling it from firefox most likely wont work |
| 16:48.43 | sontek | have you looked in about:plugins to see if its enabled in there? |
| 16:48.45 | bonez20467 | WebEx has detected that you are using Firefox. If you can not join event, you may want to try again after disabling and re-enabling Java in your preferences. |
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| 16:49.03 | bonez20467 | that's the error message, maybe Webex expresses it in a better form that may be clear to you.. |
| 16:49.27 | bonez20467 | sontek: I have inspected about:plugins and there is no listing for Java.. |
| 16:49.37 | sontek | then you don't have the java plugin installed |
| 16:49.41 | sontek | go install it |
| 16:51.21 | bonez20467 | maybe I haven't installed it correctly... what's the best way, in your HUMBLE opinion, to install the java plugin? |
| 16:51.21 | sontek | I'd probably expect to have to install something before I expect that something to work ^_^ |
| 16:51.21 | sontek | bonez20467: same way I install everything, sudo aptitude install sun-java6-plugin ? |
| 16:51.21 | sontek | or in suse, sudo zypper install .. |
| 16:51.37 | sontek | or download it from java.com and run the .bin file manually |
| 16:51.37 | sontek | whatever your preferred method of installing things on your preferred distro is probably best |
| 16:52.56 | bonez20467 | http://pastebin.ca/1717150 |
| 16:53.51 | bonez20467 | that's the result from running sudo aptitude install sun-java6-plugin |
| 16:55.06 | bonez20467 | I'll try remove with it first and then reinstall it |
| 16:55.07 | bonez20467 | sometimes that works |
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| 16:57.28 | bonez20467 | thanks.. sorry to bother you.. this is just frustating me.. sometime, for milliseconds,, I like how Windows just says, oh, here's an update and updates it.. without my having to fiddle around |
| 16:57.29 | bonez20467 | but that lasts only millseconds. |
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| 17:27.01 | sjansen | declares guestfish *awesome* |
| 17:31.58 | Sargun | guestfish? |
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| 17:35.14 | bonez20467 | what's happening in this installation attempt? why the errors? > http://pastebin.ca/1717185 |
| 17:35.38 | bonez20467 | how do I resolve those install errors? |
| 17:37.35 | sjansen | http://libguestfs.org/guestfish.1.html |
| 17:38.11 | sjansen | My first reaction to the design of libguestfs was "That's ridiculous and obscene!" But... I guess I was wrong. |
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| 17:46.13 | bonez20467 | sjansen > Could you take a look at this > what's happening in this installation attempt? why the errors? > http://pastebin.ca/1717185 |
| 17:47.04 | sjansen | Dude, I stopped providing you with free tech support a long time ago. |
| 17:48.27 | eightyeight | wait. sjansen was wrong on something? |
| 17:48.31 | eightyeight | takes a screenshot |
| 17:49.37 | sjansen | eightyeight: Don't worry, merely part of the process. How else do you think I reach the point of being right about everything? |
| 17:52.11 | eightyeight | bonez20467: why not just install flashplugin-nonfree directly? what are you installing the installer for? |
| 17:53.55 | fungus | bonez20467, the error is located here "adobe-flashplugin conflicts with flashplugin-installer" |
| 17:54.13 | fungus | You already have the Flash Plugin installed as downloaded from Adobe.com |
| 17:56.12 | fungus | eightyeight, that's a bad idea. "This package is a transitional package that can safely be removed after you installed flashplugin-installer." |
| 17:56.52 | eightyeight | must be on ubuntu then |
| 17:57.03 | eightyeight | i don't have flashplugin-installer on debian |
| 17:57.47 | fungus | ahh, that's likely |
| 18:05.25 | Sargun | starts to get :-( when his file gets over 100 LoC |
| 18:19.04 | Sargun_Screen | Don't you hate it when you think of a bug, but then forget? |
| 18:20.35 | mulicheng | My current python file is 733 lines. |
| 18:20.44 | eightyeight | does anyone have any recommendations on which school to attend in utah for a masters in mathematics? i'm looking at either the UofU or Utah State |
| 18:20.47 | mulicheng | It's a gui though, lots of event handlers. |
| 18:20.48 | sontek | sounds like someone needs to refactor |
| 18:21.23 | mulicheng | Not sure how exactly a good way to refactor the event handlers of a class would be. |
| 18:22.11 | mulicheng | I could create child controls and put them in separate files, but I think it would actually be more total lines of code and probably not as understandable anyway. |
| 18:22.35 | mulicheng | Lots of lines of code in a file doesn't necessarily mean it's ugly/bad/needs refactoring. |
| 18:24.03 | mulicheng | wc -l /usr/lib64/python2.5/*.py |
| 18:25.12 | sontek | python actually kind of pushes towards having lots of lines in a single file since they don't do class per file like compiled languages like C#/Java |
| 18:25.23 | sontek | its not a bad thing |
| 18:31.28 | sjansen | refactors |
| 18:32.22 | Sargun | is writing erlang code. |
| 18:32.39 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.39 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.39 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.39 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.39 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.40 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.42 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.49 | Sargun_Screen | Sorry for the flood |
| 18:33.51 | sontek | why is your erlang files under a folder called python? |
| 18:34.03 | harleypig | http://www.fmylife.com/love/6765216 |
| 18:34.53 | sontek | Sargun_Screen: ^ |
| 18:38.11 | eightyeight | why does Sargun have both Sargun and Sargun_Screen? |
| 18:38.19 | eightyeight | if you're running screen, why have two running instances? |
| 18:38.26 | sjansen | ends up with about the same number of lines, but more readable code |
| 18:38.43 | sjansen | eightyeight: More of him to love? |
| 18:39.22 | eightyeight | hard to know which nick to send messages to as well |
| 18:40.16 | Sargun_Screen | eightyeight: because I started writing the code in python |
| 18:40.36 | Sargun_Screen | and I was all like, wait a minute, I could do this way better in Py Py. |
| 18:40.43 | Sargun_Screen | erm s/Py Py/Erlang/ |
| 18:41.01 | eightyeight | Sargun_Screen: i think you're mixing up my question with sontek's |
| 18:41.21 | Sargun_Screen | harleypig: ha |
| 18:41.29 | Sargun | It is likely. |
| 18:41.53 | eightyeight | Sargun*: why the two nicks? |
| 18:42.31 | harleypig | My mom watches c-span a lot. She just called to tell me that the republicans are requiring all bills and amendments be read out to the floor. :D |
| 18:43.09 | Sargun | eightyeight, because this one uses xchat |
| 18:43.09 | harleypig | They're currently on a 700 page *amendment* ... the clerks are taking turns reading it. |
| 18:43.14 | Sargun | the other one is a screen with irssi |
| 18:43.18 | Sargun | harleypig, hahaha |
| 18:43.19 | Sargun | baha |
| 18:43.20 | Sargun | bahaha |
| 18:43.38 | eightyeight | why xchat? |
| 18:44.50 | sjansen | harleypig: You know what they say: If you can't beat 'em, act like jerks and obstruct the will of the people. |
| 18:45.19 | harleypig | ... |
| 18:45.49 | harleypig | As opposed to trying to hide self-serving and anti-american stuff in massive bills and amendments. |
| 18:48.08 | sjansen | harleypig: I think you're confused. The Republicans have spent years proving that they _favor_ self serving, massive bills and anti-american laws. So clearly that's not their motivation. |
| 18:48.54 | harleypig | Ok. |
| 18:49.15 | sjansen | They just want to poke a stick on someone's eye. |
| 18:49.32 | Sargun | eightyeight, I like it better. |
| 18:50.54 | sjansen | Sargun: Shame on your for wasting our precious supply of nicks. |
| 18:51.07 | eightyeight | Sargun: why not setup irssi-proxy, login only with Sargun, and use xchat to connect to the irssi proxy when you want? |
| 18:51.47 | harleypig | http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=7755 I didn't know cammie overalls were available ... |
| 18:52.07 | Sargun | eightyeight, Why do that when I'm perfectly happy like this? |
| 18:52.58 | eightyeight | curious |
| 18:55.44 | eightyeight | http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2009/01/04/119-sea-salt/ |
| 18:55.52 | eightyeight | where's redbeard2? |
| 18:56.11 | sontek | I do love me some sea salt |
| 18:56.12 | harleypig | probably in a meeting ... he left a while ago and I don't see him wandering around |
| 18:57.41 | harleypig | ouch http://textsfromlastnight.com/view/56291 |
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| 18:58.30 | redbeard2 | ~lart eightyeight |
| 18:58.30 | ibot | crushes eightyeight with a full height scsi disk |
| 18:59.36 | eightyeight | ibot: cheapskate |
| 19:07.08 | whiteinge | Anyone know the syntax for the Vim :insert command? I can't figure it out from the help file. |
| 19:07.25 | whiteinge | I'd like to insert a line of text at the top of a file via an ex command. |
| 19:08.38 | harleypig | http://ugliesttattoos.com/2009/12/16/funny-tattoos-shitty-tattoo/ |
| 19:09.28 | whiteinge | nvm. figured it out |
| 19:09.36 | levi | Aaargh, stupid web proxy killing my ssh connections. |
| 19:10.43 | Nafai | I've been hating on my bandwidth at my hotel here |
| 19:10.50 | Nafai | I've been tempted to just tether with my phone |
| 19:12.37 | goozbach | I can't seem to keep my master nick |
| 19:13.44 | Nafai | Do you not have it registered with NickServ? |
| 19:13.49 | Nafai | Or is this a client problem? |
| 19:16.15 | macnewbold | command of the day: alias please='sudo' |
| 19:17.30 | goozbach | Nafai: both are registered |
| 19:17.43 | goozbach | but I seem to be coming back before the server has dropped "goozbach" |
| 19:17.50 | goozbach | it's freenode's fault really |
| 19:18.07 | Nafai | ah |
| 19:19.21 | sjansen | grabs his battle axe and, with a mighty war cry, netsplits goozbach in two |
| 19:19.48 | TehLaser | macnewbold: http://xkcd.com/149/ |
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| 19:20.43 | gooz | sjansen: look what |
| 19:20.45 | bach | you did |
| 19:21.23 | gooz | the lenghts I |
| 19:21.25 | bach | go for a not so |
| 19:21.28 | gooz | funny joke |
| 19:21.53 | TehLaser | Now perform a fugue with yourself. |
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| 19:24.02 | elg | anyone a fan of in-ear headphones? (IEMs) |
| 19:25.17 | gooz | elg: I like my sony ones |
| 19:25.39 | elg | dropping bach like so much baroque baggage? |
| 19:25.49 | elg | i'm trying some out, but confused |
| 19:26.05 | TehLaser | I like ear-hangers. |
| 19:26.17 | elg | they say to get a good seal. check. but now my ears feel like i'm perpetual hill-climbing |
| 19:26.23 | elg | o ris it hill descending |
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| 19:26.50 | elg | anyway, my right ear especially feels a constant pressure if i get a good seal. is ther ea trick to getting a good seal without that massive pressure? |
| 19:27.00 | elg | which besides being totally uncomfortable, can't be good for you |
| 19:28.45 | Sargun | Have you ever had one of those, holy shit, it works moments? |
| 19:29.02 | elg | I have yet to encounter holy feces |
| 19:29.18 | elg | but I don't rule out the possibility, necessarily. |
| 19:31.32 | elg | the cans I'm thinking about replacing with these are rather nice sealed around-ear cans. they have two problems: not quite comfortable enough (too much pressure) and too loud even on the lowest setting |
| 19:32.19 | elg | the IEMs give me a couple of ticks to work with in volume settings, though I'm still unhappy at how hard my macbook drives headphones. |
| 19:34.28 | fungus | Arg! Solaris patching is even worse than the RPM hell of yesteryear. I'm gonna cry. |
| 19:35.20 | elg | ~hurt fungus |
| 19:35.21 | ibot | ACTION takes a large hammer and plays whack-the-mole on fungus's hands, laughing all the while |
| 19:36.59 | fozzmoo | elg: I'm an in-the-ear guy... |
| 19:37.07 | fozzmoo | but then, I just use my hearing aids as headphones. |
| 19:42.04 | elg | do they seal in a similar fashion? |
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| 20:16.13 | bonez2047 | hello? |
| 20:16.25 | sjansen | fungus: Few people realize what a great leap forward RPM was compared to traditional Unix packaging. |
| 20:17.03 | fungus | no doubt |
| 20:17.24 | fungus | now why on earth Solaris hasn't got a clue yet? |
| 20:17.36 | fungus | ... oh, they did get a clue. They hired Ian Murdock |
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| 20:18.06 | unum | oh ya and why hasn't Focus gotten a clue yet |
| 20:18.13 | sjansen | fungus: Don't speak too quickly. Open Solaris packaging still sucks. |
| 20:18.34 | unum | tries to make fun of fungus for using a product name in place of a company name |
| 20:18.38 | fungus | hopefully it's just temporary |
| 20:19.14 | bonez2047 | I have an old dell box here, with two drives.. I can boot the machine with an ubuntu 9.10 live cd and with gparted, I can see both drives.. the current primary hdd is running 98se.. the secondary drive runs xp pro.. the primary has drive space enabled...could I install grub on the secondary drive, and have it boot up so that grub provides the bootloader, so the user can choose at boot time which hdd to run? |
| 20:21.26 | sjansen | Solaris packaging still sucks because it's old school Unix and you don't change old school Unix lightly. Customers don't like change. If they did, they'd be using Linux by now. |
| 20:22.26 | sjansen | As for Open Solaris, I don't know what the excuse is there. You'd think there'd be enough prior art for them to come up with something decent, and yet somehow they managed to ignore all of it and create a slow, painful set of tools. |
| 20:23.02 | unum | bonez2047: xppro has a boot loader. I would try to use it first. |
| 20:23.33 | fungus | Sun needs to just give up on Solaris, and port all the good stuff to Linux. (Dtrace, ZFS, etc) |
| 20:23.37 | unum | I've never ran grub from a windows partition. it's different than lilo which was fully installed in the bootloader |
| 20:23.59 | unum | it will be interesting to see if oracle chooses to do that |
| 20:24.01 | bonez2047 | unum: where's the xp bootloader? I forget how to access it |
| 20:24.31 | unum | there's a text file in the root directory |
| 20:24.36 | unum | I can't remember what it's called |
| 20:24.42 | sjansen | As long as people continue to pay more for Solaris than it costs to maintain it, Sun will support it. As for Oracle... |
| 20:24.48 | unum | boot.ini |
| 20:31.42 | sjansen | Well shoot, I've just dug through so many distractions I've forgotten what I used to be doing. |
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| 20:33.11 | goozbach | sorry for distracting you |
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| 20:44.36 | sjansen | You and plug and pandora and I don't remember what else. |
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| 20:45.02 | goozbach | sorry man |
| 20:45.56 | sjansen | My fault. Besides, I'm already back on the horse and puzzling over why the RHEL 5.4 installer suddenly can't read its repo. |
| 20:47.04 | bonez2047 | how can I launch xp pro's bootloader? |
| 20:47.40 | sjansen | ~lart file corruption |
| 20:47.40 | ibot | whacks file corruption with the cluebat |
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| 21:29.44 | jsmith-teaching | sjansen: Does that mean you found the cause of your anaconda issue? |
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| 21:31.24 | markl_ | best gold commercial of all time: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/12/becks-gold-problem-ctd.html |
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| 21:45.33 | sjansen | jsmith-teaching: Yup. Thank goodness for rsync. |
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| 21:49.49 | tensai | markl_: most excellent |
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| 22:16.30 | goozbach | bouncy bouncy bouncy |
| 22:17.26 | fozzmoo | Wheeee! |
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| 22:41.37 | mulicheng | markl_: what is Beck's gold problem (I didn't watch the commercial) |
| 22:47.17 | unum | he advertises for people to buy gold |
| 22:47.29 | unum | also on his show he tells people to buy gold because the dollar is going to collapse |
| 22:47.37 | unum | nice little gig he's got going on there... |
| 22:48.23 | eightyeight | sjansen: technically, why does open solaris packaging suck? |
| 22:51.03 | sjansen | I haven't dug into the technical reasons, but I can tell you why I think it sucks as an end user. |
| 22:51.10 | sjansen | (1) Slow |
| 22:51.13 | sjansen | (2) Slow |
| 22:51.16 | sjansen | (3) Slow |
| 22:51.38 | sjansen | (4) Stupid package names. SUNWthis & SUNWthat |
| 22:52.02 | sjansen | (5) Limited metadata |
| 22:52.14 | sjansen | (6) Did I mention slow? |
| 22:52.39 | eightyeight | the slowness i've experienced isn't pkg's fault, but the underlying filesystem |
| 22:52.52 | eightyeight | all filesystem operattions are slow on zfs |
| 22:53.25 | sjansen | Oh, yeah, I forgot: |
| 22:53.35 | eightyeight | the naming scheme initially bothered me, but it makes sense to me know. it's easy to identify which packages have come from sun, which have come from blastwave, etc |
| 22:53.50 | eightyeight | s/know/now/ |
| 22:53.57 | sjansen | (7) Integrating ZFS snapshot with package upgrades is great in theory, but lousy in practice. |
| 22:54.27 | eightyeight | yeah. the constant snapshots whenever a software upgrade is made is pretty painful |
| 22:54.49 | sjansen | Now just slow, but unreliable. |
| 22:55.00 | sjansen | The last word you want associated with your package management. |
| 22:55.08 | eightyeight | i haven't had any reliability issues with it |
| 22:55.20 | eightyeight | what have you found with reliability? |
| 22:55.59 | sjansen | Last time I played with Open Solaris, GRUB consistently puked all over itself after the root filesystem was snapshotted. |
| 22:56.33 | eightyeight | a new entry is added to grub everytime you upgrade, so you can boot into snapshots. so, there are extra entries... |
| 22:56.46 | eightyeight | easy to remove though, when you've verified you have a working update |
| 22:58.04 | eightyeight | zfs destroy <snapshot> |
| 22:59.18 | sjansen | As for the naming, why should I be forced to put SUNW in front of everything? If I want Vim, and I trust a repo enough to add it, why should I care where Vim came from? Besides that's what metadata is for. |
| 23:00.02 | eightyeight | no argument here |
| 23:00.17 | eightyeight | makes it a bit troublesome for searching too |
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| 23:01.21 | tensai | package names should include the package name, the source repo, the maintainer's email address, the date of creation, and the file size |
| 23:01.31 | tensai | and some chocolate for me |
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| 23:03.45 | tensai | ~marry elg and elg_ |
| 23:03.46 | ibot | elg, do you take elg_ to be your lawfully wedded spouse? elg_, do you take elg? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 23:04.36 | elg_ | eats some fried calamari |
| 23:04.37 | eightyeight | oh, another point about the package names: i can have multiple versions of the same software installed |
| 23:04.53 | eightyeight | the firefox from sun, and another from a 3rd party |
| 23:06.56 | sjansen | ping: elg_ |
| 23:07.26 | sjansen | Heh. I think Hans is avoiding me. |
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| 23:08.08 | sjansen | ibot: onjoin elg #utah Are you avoiding sjansen? |
| 23:08.08 | ibot | sjansen: ok |
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| 23:19.50 | mulicheng | unum: yeah, I only hear Glenn beck occasionally on the radio when I drive home from work or something, and about the only thing I've heard him say is that gold is a good buy. |
| 23:20.21 | fozzmoo | "I don't buy gold as an investment, I buy it as an insurance policy. Find out if it's right for you." |
| 23:20.30 | mulicheng | I was just wondering if that was all "his problem" was referring too or if there was some other news or something. |
| 23:20.43 | fozzmoo | That's what he says. It's probably verbatim from how many times I've heard it. |
| 23:21.32 | eightyeight | probably my biggest gripe with opensolaris on a default install is the amount of ram it consumes |
| 23:21.32 | mulicheng | He's obviously getting paid to say that. |
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| 23:22.14 | eightyeight | out the gate, it consumes ~700MB with nothing other than gnome running |
| 23:22.14 | mulicheng | Seems anyone could research that gold is at an alltime high, and therefore not a good buy (buy low sell high) |
| 23:22.15 | eightyeight | and, apparently, it consumes 113W when idle, as compared to a default debian gnu/linux install consuming 100W |
| 23:22.15 | fozzmoo | Some may not know this, but Glenn has cracked under the pressure of all the liberal bloggers, Colbert, and others critical of his pimping gold. |
| 23:22.15 | fozzmoo | http://www.glennbeck.com/content/videos/?uri=channels/338017/727555 |
| 23:22.36 | fozzmoo | He apologized. |
| 23:22.45 | mulicheng | interesting |
| 23:23.25 | mulicheng | I wonder if he convinced my in-laws to buy gold :) |
| 23:23.41 | mulicheng | I get a Glenn Beck earfull from them now and then. |
| 23:24.26 | fozzmoo | Of course, when gold was at 800 a couple years ago, nobody thought it'd go up to 1200 either. |
| 23:25.15 | mulicheng | So it's a gamble. |
| 23:25.31 | tensai | I'd rather buy star wars figurines. at least if they drop in price I can break open the packaging and play with them. |
| 23:25.34 | mulicheng | buy a bunch, maybe you'll get rich, maybe you'll lose it all . |
| 23:26.06 | mulicheng | wishes he had the limited edition special star wars figures form when I was 8. |
| 23:26.23 | tensai | mulicheng: gold is a great buy if you're the gold salesman earning a hefty commission :) |
| 23:26.38 | mulicheng | I got the post-human Anakin Skywalker by mail order only. |
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