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| 00:36.31 | thesuperbigfrog | gives sjansen something to put on his hamburger: http://i.imgur.com/2PYYf.jpg |
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| 01:35.13 | sontek | Hey, any of you guys know any graphic designers that might be willing to trade some backend code work for some frontend design? :) |
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| 15:42.23 | tensai | ~rlart |
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| 16:44.32 | sjansen | offers to sell jsmith to the telcos, if the price is right |
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| 16:59.28 | JoshH | man, dexter last night... i almost cried |
| 17:00.32 | sjansen | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/nook-torn-open-hacked-and-rooted/ |
| 17:01.02 | sjansen | "This can only end in tears." |
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| 17:52.07 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://utos.org/irc | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | This, Jen, is the Internet. |
| 17:53.33 | goozbach | sjansen: did the Lords of the Internet allow you to show her that? |
| 17:53.37 | redbeard2 | sjansen: wait a minute, it doesn't have any wires or anything |
| 17:56.57 | goozbach | s/Lords/Elders/ |
| 17:56.58 | Jayce^ | it doesn't weigh very much |
| 18:12.01 | TehLaser | Greaaaat. I wonder what they'll do once people start abusing the "free" wireless. |
| 18:12.42 | TehLaser | Though actually, the could probably walled-garden it on the other side, and disallow anything that doesn't go through B&N, and shut you off if you try. |
| 18:13.45 | TehLaser | s/the/they/ |
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| 18:47.40 | fozzmoo | is hungry |
| 18:56.10 | levi | fozzmoo needs food badly! |
| 18:56.18 | levi | Don't shoot the food! |
| 18:56.43 | harleypig | http://ugliesttattoos.com/2009/12/12/funny-tattoos-ooh-those-jeans-so-scandalous/ |
| 18:57.13 | levi | Yet another harleypig link that reaaally doesn't look very appealing to follow. ;) |
| 18:58.06 | harleypig | Well, it's sfw ... |
| 18:59.31 | levi | Sure, but not all things sfw are things I want to look at. And you can't un-see things... |
| 18:59.37 | harleypig | :> |
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| 19:29.35 | mulicheng | ~lart pidgin |
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| 21:07.04 | ^Migs^ | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091213/1648377324.shtml |
| 21:08.42 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 21:08.53 | fozzmoo | DRM! DRM! DRM! DRM! |
| 21:08.59 | sjansen | is getting tired of all the hypocrisy on display by the Oracle Sun purchase |
| 21:16.31 | maquis | the record labels don't care if the musician is making more money |
| 21:17.32 | levi | They only want musicians to make money through them. Musicians making money through other means is something they don't want at all. |
| 21:17.33 | maquis | just like publishers are fighting ebooks despite (due to) the fact that authors are making a larger percentage of the money from ebooks than pbooks |
| 21:18.32 | maquis | (publishing through the kindle store, an author gets 35%, if they publish through smashwords, they can get 42%... if they go through a standard publisher, they get around 10-12%) |
| 21:19.34 | unum | what about copyrights |
| 21:19.52 | maquis | unum: what do you mean? what's your question? |
| 21:20.14 | unum | if you go through a standard publish you typically have to sign over your copyrights(unless you are a big name) |
| 21:20.44 | elg | i saw a blog comment the other day that was concerned about ward photo directories because of copyrights on the photos |
| 21:21.00 | elg | makes one gag |
| 21:21.25 | levi | Don't you generally have someone take photos specifically for the directory? |
| 21:21.41 | unum | it's been that way in all the wards I've been in |
| 21:21.53 | unum | which I think makes it essentially a work for hirer |
| 21:22.01 | maquis | unum: actually, a lot of the time, the contract doesn't include ebook rights |
| 21:22.17 | fozzmoo | Most ward directories also have a disclaimer that contents are not to be used for anything other than Church-related purposes. |
| 21:22.29 | levi | My current ward has (or had, anyway... haven't seen it in a while) a scrapbook with a submitted family picture of each family. I guess some of those might be copyrighted. |
| 21:22.35 | maquis | ebook rights are handled separately from pbook rights (although random house has been attempting to claim that they have ebook rights for books that they didn't negotiate them for, but the courts have been siding against random house so far) |
| 21:22.41 | unum | maquis: right, so the publisher(who holds the copyright) can sell it as an ebook and not pay the author |
| 21:22.52 | maquis | unum: no... the publisher doesn't have the copyright |
| 21:23.01 | maquis | they have a contract to sell the book as a pbook |
| 21:23.02 | unum | maquis: more often than not they do |
| 21:23.11 | maquis | this is why lots of old books can't be sold in ebook right now... |
| 21:23.40 | unum | there are cases of both |
| 21:24.13 | maquis | true... there are some cases where the publisher owns copyright, but i think they actually can only purchase it for a certain length of time before it returns to the author |
| 21:24.39 | unum | that would sound like an exclusive license not ownership |
| 21:24.48 | unum | but I don't really know all my legal terms |
| 21:25.08 | maquis | i know one of the big problems with getting books available in ebook format has been the fact that the majority of books written > 15 years ago but are not in public domain don't have any ownership of the ebook rights |
| 21:25.38 | maquis | those ebook rights have to be negotiated fresh now, and that's slowing down the process of releasing all those books in ebook format... |
| 21:25.53 | maquis | (also slowing it down is the digitization of those books, but that's a separate issue) |
| 21:27.01 | unum | it makes sense that were a license was issued there would be a dispute about who has what rights |
| 21:27.06 | elg | that's why we should only read new material. old material can't be trusted. so archaic. |
| 21:27.10 | maquis | there was a case where random house tried to sue a small ebook publishing company because the author had created a contract to release their ebook through the ebook company although they had the pbook published through random house |
| 21:27.18 | elg | probably full of bothersome facts too |
| 21:28.01 | sjansen | Without bothersome facts, how will we teach our children about Benedict Arnold and George W Bush? |
| 21:28.06 | maquis | the courts threw the case out, and made it very clear that if it came back, they would side with the author and ebook publishing company... random house backed down really quickly and settled out of court because they didn't want to set any legal precedent against them |
| 21:28.46 | maquis | anyway... gotta go do some stuff... but publishing companies are pretty annoying to me right now :P |
| 21:28.57 | unum | they always annoy me :) |
| 21:29.03 | unum | death to big industry!! |
| 21:29.11 | elg | sjansen: they'll write their own blogs redefining every hero/villain in ways that are convenient to their own political biases and agendas. |
| 21:29.15 | elg | that's the beauty of new media. |
| 21:29.52 | unum | I'd say the old media has already done that |
| 21:30.12 | unum | have you read a us history text book? |
| 21:30.24 | elg | but new media puts it in the hands of amateur history rewriters |
| 21:30.30 | elg | everyone writes his own history! |
| 21:30.53 | elg | no more do we have to depend on history book authors to rewrite history for us. no more are we shackled by a limited number of historical perspectives. |
| 21:31.09 | unum | well yes, but somehow that bothers me less than only the powerful writing history |
| 21:32.32 | elg | exactly. which is why we need to avoid the facts that leaked through the powerful's attempts to rewrite history |
| 21:32.57 | unum | well obvisouly |
| 21:33.15 | elg | amateur history rewriters aren't skilled enough to make a compelling case that flies in the face of facts. unless we unburden ourselves they won't be able to leave a lasting mark |
| 21:33.22 | elg | no matter how effective they are at stirring things up today. |
| 21:33.23 | unum | this time I say the phillipines invaded and occupied the US for 40 years instead of the other way around |
| 21:33.39 | elg | that would explain phillidelphia. |
| 21:34.34 | unum | good point |
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| 22:15.47 | levi | Invasion by the Philipinos and Greeks. |
| 22:16.05 | unum | nice |
| 22:16.08 | unum | I like it |
| 22:16.27 | unum | and there should be a wooden horse, unless that's too close to the facts |
| 22:18.14 | levi | So, the Nexus One. |
| 22:20.41 | levi | Want. |
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| 23:33.29 | eightyeight | levi: i thought you were a cell phone minimist |
| 23:36.05 | levi | Not out of any principle other than frugality. Besides, being an unlocked device, I could probably use it with wifi like my iPod Touch. |
| 23:36.51 | eightyeight | owning the google phone will require a data connection |
| 23:36.52 | levi | And it might even be able to make calls with my prepaid T-mobile SIM. |
| 23:37.40 | levi | If it does, then it will join the ranks of other expensive things I want but have no plans to actually buy. |
| 23:37.56 | eightyeight | that's my understanding of the android os, at least |
| 23:41.30 | levi | Don't you have a list of things that you want but are unlikely to ever own? :) |
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| 23:45.53 | eightyeight | naturally |
| 23:46.23 | levi | Anyway, a bit of googling shows that it may indeed be possible to use it without a data plan. |
| 23:47.06 | levi | I'm not sure why google would go out of their way to make a non-carrier-subsidized device reliant on a data plan. |
| 23:55.40 | sontek | t-mobile requires you have a dataplan when buying the g1, but i've put prepaid sims in it and it worked just fine |
| 23:56.01 | sontek | so you just have to make sure you buy the device from amazon or something instead of the carrier :P |
| 23:56.23 | levi | Right, and the Nexus One will supposedly be sold by Google. |
| 23:56.37 | eightyeight | that makes more sense |
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