| 00:19.53 | Sargun_Screen | tensai: No, I don't want to be an asshole about it. |
| 00:20.06 | Sargun_Screen | tensai: Asking this many quesitons is already evil |
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| 01:33.06 | elg | is going to make his first spdif connection tonight. welcome to the 21st century elg! |
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| 03:36.01 | eightyeight | sighs with relief |
| 03:36.26 | eightyeight | two math exams down, 1 to go |
| 03:41.46 | eightyeight | ~wtf mnf |
| 04:04.11 | eightyeight | heh. palm infringing the gpl |
| 04:04.12 | eightyeight | fail |
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| 04:52.24 | Zelut | anyone happen to know how to restart ssh on OS X via the CLI? |
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| 05:38.41 | fugue88 | Zelut: ssh can reload some settings w/o a restart, just kill -HUP it. |
| 05:39.31 | fugue88 | But, no, I don't know how to restart it on OS X. |
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| 11:40.18 | eightyeight | Zelut: launchctl is your guy |
| 11:41.02 | eightyeight | mac os x uses launchd for their init system. all the system-wide scripts are under /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/ |
| 11:41.32 | eightyeight | as well as /Library/LaunchDaemons |
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| 12:03.32 | eightyeight | Zelut: there's also /etc/mach_init*.d/, although i'm not entirely sure what that's for |
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| 12:14.22 | eightyeight | what is up freenode? seriously |
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| 13:30.03 | eightyeight | has it finally died down? |
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| 15:36.16 | ibot | poors goo gone on goozbach's steak to make it fat free |
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| 15:36.46 | goozbach | weird |
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| 15:38.19 | ibot | poors goo gone on goozbach's steak to make it fat free |
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| 15:38.48 | goozbach | weird again |
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| 15:46.47 | eightyeight | goozbach: eh? |
| 15:49.34 | goozbach | weechat keeps segfaulting |
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| 15:49.55 | goozbach | I think it had to do with a funky ssh forwarded "server" I've been trying to connect to |
| 15:53.27 | eightyeight | everybody has been running weechat lately |
| 15:54.30 | goozbach | it's the new hawtness |
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| 16:08.20 | sontek | :o |
| 16:08.56 | sontek | weechat does look pretty nice |
| 16:10.38 | jnbek|wc | weechat rocks :) |
| 16:12.47 | jnbek|wc | goozbach: try upgrading to 0.3.0. |
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| 16:12.57 | ketnos | hmm i'm in weechat |
| 16:12.57 | jnbek|wc | the 0.2.7 was the unstable 'old' version |
| 16:13.12 | ketnos | it has userlist |
| 16:13.14 | ketnos | it wins |
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| 16:14.27 | jnbek|wc | both this and my main nick use 0.3.0 |
| 16:14.31 | jnbek|wc | and it's stable as all get out |
| 16:15.45 | goozbach | jnbek|wc: I've been planning on an upgrade, but I had such a long irc session running I didn't want to quit |
| 16:15.48 | goozbach | :) |
| 16:16.00 | jnbek|wc | :) |
| 16:16.29 | ketnos | how do you scroll the userlist? |
| 16:17.36 | goozbach | f9 f10 |
| 16:17.36 | ketnos | the man page isn't very good for it |
| 16:17.43 | goozbach | I think |
| 16:17.52 | goozbach | f11 f12 |
| 16:17.53 | jnbek|wc | f11 and f12 |
| 16:17.57 | goozbach | f9 hides it |
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| 16:18.01 | jnbek|wc | since those interfere with my screen bindings, lol |
| 16:18.06 | ketnos | those are terrible shortcuts :P |
| 16:18.16 | goozbach | they're configurable |
| 16:18.22 | ketnos | they interfere with gnome terminal defaults as well |
| 16:18.45 | jnbek|wc | yea, I'm too busy writing autoaway scripts and rhythmbox announcers to learn how to remap keys, lol |
| 16:19.39 | ketnos | ok I'm in love with weechat though |
| 16:19.42 | ketnos | its irssi++ |
| 16:19.56 | ketnos | gonna go switch my default screens to it |
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| 16:22.52 | eightyeight | i tried weechat, back like 0.2.1, or something. the thing that kept me from using it, was the lack of '/lastlog' and the way it orders window activity |
| 16:23.46 | eightyeight | i like the python scripting support though |
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| 16:29.59 | tensai | twitter has sent me the same SMS 6 times now. I'm sure bryant gumble is a nice guy, but how many times do I need to hear that he had lung cancer surgery? |
| 16:31.18 | eightyeight | heh |
| 16:33.18 | ketnos | i'll have to figure out how its windowing/buffering works later |
| 16:33.21 | ketnos | but this looks promising |
| 16:33.29 | jnbek|wc | eightyeight: they've revamped the plugin API considerably, and things are alot more customizable. |
| 16:33.36 | jnbek|wc | the gang in #weechat are nice fellows too |
| 16:33.38 | jnbek|wc | :D |
| 16:39.12 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 16:41.19 | tensai | weechat sounds like an awkward conversation at a urinal |
| 16:43.51 | synic | eggyknap: ping |
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| 16:50.30 | elg | so i have comcast, i think digital (I know I get many channels digital as I've seen them using my hdhomerun, but I also get analog signals) |
| 16:50.39 | elg | my dvr is not HD |
| 16:50.50 | elg | but it has digital audio out (coax) |
| 16:51.06 | elg | so I wonder, do I expect stereo only or may some programs make it through in 5.1 surround? |
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| 17:09.11 | tensai | elg: what kind of crazy dvr is this? |
| 17:09.18 | elg | comcast dvr |
| 17:09.19 | tensai | and your hdhomerun connects to the dvr? |
| 17:09.21 | elg | no |
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| 17:43.21 | levi | elg: Why not just get the HD DVR? |
| 17:43.55 | elg | hasn't been a reason to, no hd tv. but with the new receiver and surround sound it may be an option to consider |
| 17:51.05 | elg | or i could get an adapter for my laptop and just play the occasional hd tv show on that |
| 17:51.12 | elg | (video and digital audio adapters) |
| 17:54.22 | harleypig | MONKEY SPIT! |
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| 17:57.16 | Migs | Check out this parade in China: http://asdf.dhammaseeker.com/20091208105408/ |
| 18:00.14 | elg | i like how the tattoo artist is doing a tattoo in the middle of the parade |
| 18:00.20 | elg | that's awesome |
| 18:10.19 | herlo | is wondering how many people would be in helping those in need at a Linux Installfest on Saturday, Dec 19?? It'll be at the Electroregeneration Society Warehouse in downtown SLC |
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| 18:10.23 | herlo | http://fpaste.org/FMhL/ <-- here's the ERGS installfest details... |
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| 18:18.42 | levi | elg: Obviously you need to get an HD tv. ;) |
| 18:26.46 | elg | obviously :) |
| 18:26.59 | elg | saving up. the receiver is the stepping stone christmas present |
| 18:27.12 | tensai | is there a way to see the mpeg details from the hdhomerun? e.g. 480i, 720p, etc. |
| 18:27.38 | elg | yeah, the config tool (gui or cli) will tell you I think |
| 18:27.48 | elg | and if not, you can just capture a bit and look with ffmpeg or mplayer |
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| 18:28.48 | tensai | I figured out how to get it from vlc. I don't see it in the config tool. |
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| 18:49.34 | elg | for more background, I'm asking because last night I swear I heard some surround effects coming out of the surround speakers while watching numb3rs |
| 18:49.50 | elg | but it was a brief fleeting moment and I couldn't convince myself it was true surround |
| 18:50.08 | elg | the receiver does do dolby pro logic II which does pseudosurround from stereo sources. |
| 18:50.14 | elg | so maybe that's what I heard. |
| 18:55.43 | levi | Could be. I think that's pretty common, since surround systems have been available for a lot longer than multichannel audio encoding on TV. |
| 19:00.34 | levi | I love all the comments arguing about the sysadmin job posting on PLUG. |
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| 19:01.51 | levi | I don't really have any opinion on sysadmin job postings, but it's fun to see everyone get so worked up over a 'requirement'. |
| 19:04.54 | mulicheng | The only point worth noting in the whole thread, to this point, is when sjansen said he could piss further. |
| 19:06.05 | elg | so now that chrome's officially to beta on mac, I want to switch my default browser |
| 19:07.08 | levi | Chrome has been my default browser on Win and Linux for a while. |
| 19:07.24 | Jayce^ | yeah, maybe if it had adblock and a couple extras :) |
| 19:08.17 | mulicheng | ~adblock++ |
| 19:08.26 | levi | I never used Firefox plugins, so I didn't miss them in Chrome. |
| 19:10.35 | Nafai | I have the two plugins in Chrome now that I miss from Firefox: flash block and delicious |
| 19:10.52 | Jayce^ | Nafai: you running the beta beta version then? |
| 19:11.18 | Nafai | Yes, have been for a long time; I have an Ubuntu PPA that I'm using that does new builds at least weekly |
| 19:11.22 | Jayce^ | just upgraded to the new 'released beta' on mac, and it won't let you do the extensions |
| 19:12.02 | Nafai | Even with the --enable-extensions and --enable-plugins on the command line? |
| 19:12.17 | sontek | chrome does have adblock |
| 19:12.21 | sontek | I just need firebug in it |
| 19:13.09 | Jayce^ | no, you gotta get a different build |
| 19:13.15 | Nafai | strange |
| 19:14.12 | Jayce^ | also need my password hasher extension (or one I'll convert to) |
| 19:16.26 | sontek | whats your password hasher extension do? |
| 19:17.14 | levi | It hashes passwords, of course. ;) |
| 19:18.06 | elg | but I need read it later functionality for my rss feeds, since I can't keep up |
| 19:18.26 | elg | but my feed reader only does "default browser" or itself. |
| 19:19.07 | Jayce^ | auto gen of site specific passwords, with their own options. adds to forms, etc. |
| 19:19.19 | Jayce^ | the actual name is password hasher |
| 19:19.52 | Jayce^ | pretty simple overall |
| 19:20.06 | Nafai | I saw a few of those (maybe not as featureful) as I was browsing chrome extensions this morning |
| 19:28.22 | levi | I probably won't use chrome extensions, either. |
| 19:31.20 | Jayce^ | the lifehacker better* extensions have been great |
| 19:31.37 | Jayce^ | still use reader in FF for that one |
| 19:33.32 | elg | I tried one of those (for firefox) but it made passwords with fancy characters that screwed up some of my sites |
| 19:33.44 | elg | i.e. they didn't want $ or () or whatever in their passwords. |
| 19:34.01 | elg | so if I found one that did the same but let you choose which characters (or stick to alphanumeric) that would be nice. |
| 19:34.51 | levi | The problem I have with those sorts of extensions is that I often use browsers on 4 or 5 different computers to go to those pages. |
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| 19:48.36 | Jayce^ | elg: mine did that, and the options are all portable to solve multiple computers |
| 19:54.09 | eightyeight | oooh. thunderbird 3 released |
| 20:07.24 | mulicheng | eightyeight: don't do it.. resist... TB3 stinks. |
| 20:07.44 | elg | i've been using the beta for awhile, I like it |
| 20:07.47 | mulicheng | Well, actually, I personally am still using two, but my Boss has 3 with Fedora 11/12 and he hates it. |
| 20:07.58 | elg | it is no more stable than tbird 2 was, but hey |
| 20:08.24 | mulicheng | He has gigs worth of old email, and it is always trying to sync imap accounts to local folders, stuff like that. |
| 20:56.18 | tensai | thunderbird has been the best mua I've used in a long time |
| 20:57.47 | elg | all mail clients suck. thunderbird sucks only a little more than mutt, but it is more integrated into my mac desktop |
| 20:57.51 | elg | so that's what i use |
| 20:58.13 | sontek | I use evolution :O |
| 20:58.30 | sontek | thunderbird's imap was always slow for me |
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| 21:00.11 | tensai | sontek: I've had the exact opposite experience |
| 21:00.33 | tensai | I used evolution for years and it was always sluggish and prone to crashes |
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| 21:04.11 | sjansen | Evolution, more than any other MUA, doesn't get in my way. |
| 21:05.33 | sjansen | I'll never get any geek points for using it. But I guess that's how the MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 crumbles. |
| 21:13.11 | levi | I also like Evolution. |
| 21:13.42 | levi | Except lately I mostly use Outlook for email. It is probably the most terrible email client ever. |
| 21:18.55 | tensai | levi: amen brother |
| 21:21.16 | levi | Having mostly used the other Office apps, which I find to range from okay to nice, I was surprised at how badly and in how many ways Outlook sucked for email. |
| 21:26.13 | sontek | it sucks for e-mail when you use e-mail the way we do |
| 21:26.37 | sontek | turns out business people really don't understand how to do anything with e-mail other than mark message as high priority :P |
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| 21:27.13 | levi | And CC the world. |
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| 21:31.16 | peno | I tend to ignore messages marked with a priority status. |
| 21:31.19 | sontek | I do think outlook has better calendar support than evolution |
| 21:32.01 | levi | Outlook is a calendar scheduling system with something resembling email tacked on. |
| 21:32.40 | sontek | peno: I remove the column in evolution that shows the priority but it still highlights it... never looked into turning that off |
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| 21:46.42 | TehLaser | There seems to be an inverse relationship between the priority flag and actual, well, priority. |
| 21:47.02 | TehLaser | Generally anything marked high priority can be safely deleted unread. :) |
| 21:50.08 | goozbach | redbeard2: got any good snickerdoodle recipies? |
| 21:50.20 | goozbach | I think I want to try and make lumperdoodles next |
| 21:50.24 | elg | take your wife's snicker and your child's doodle, mix in a pot |
| 21:51.26 | levi | goozbach: This is the one we use: http://allrecipes.com/recipe/mrs-siggs-snickerdoodles/detail.aspx |
| 21:52.21 | goozbach | how good would a snickerdoodle be if it weren't flat and crisp |
| 21:52.27 | goozbach | but thick and chewy? |
| 21:52.56 | levi | These ones are flat but chewy. |
| 21:53.33 | eightyeight | mulicheng: why? |
| 21:53.41 | eightyeight | mulicheng: so far, mutt is not behaving |
| 21:54.28 | mulicheng | Mainly imap syncing problems. |
| 21:54.34 | eightyeight | hmm |
| 21:54.52 | eightyeight | when i ran it on f11, it was consuming massive amounts of cpu, just idling |
| 21:54.56 | mulicheng | for instance, suppose you don't want to sync an account., tb3 you had to specify the option for every folder in the account |
| 21:55.21 | mulicheng | but the problem was, to specify the option, you had to click on the folder, which started downloading the messages. |
| 21:55.25 | eightyeight | isn't it just caching the headers though? wouldn't that provide speed improvements? |
| 21:55.27 | mulicheng | stuff like that. |
| 21:55.31 | mulicheng | perhaps they fixed it better. |
| 21:56.00 | mulicheng | I don't know much about it personally, my boss has ranted about it a few times. |
| 21:56.09 | mulicheng | I'm still on TB2. |
| 21:56.19 | mulicheng | haven't installed an upgrade. |
| 21:56.32 | eightyeight | speaking of muas, anyone know why mutt would complain about a bad gpg passphrase, when it's not entered incorrectly? |
| 21:56.39 | mulicheng | but every other week he mentions something else about why TB3 is driving him crazy again. |
| 21:57.13 | eightyeight | when i ran it, other than the cpu problem, it wal f11 that was driving me nuts, not tb3 |
| 21:57.20 | eightyeight | but then again, it _was_ beta then |
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