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| 03:21.36 | Nafai | are there any "coworking" places in utah county or the south part of salt lake county? |
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| 03:38.59 | fugue88 | Nafai: Google says, "yes!" http://coworkutah.com/ |
| 03:51.25 | Nafai | Heh :) |
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| 17:09.36 | harleypig | http://hawtness.com/2009/12/01/wtf-girl-photo-their-message-is-clear/ |
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| 17:20.56 | harleypig | http://www.ihatethemedia.com/california-child-custody-case-sets-legal-precedent |
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| 17:30.20 | harleypig | anyone familiar with selenium? |
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| 17:31.25 | Nafai | I know what it is :) |
| 17:31.44 | harleypig | the app, not the element? |
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| 17:39.40 | Nafai | Yes, the app. Web testing stuff, there's an "IDE" that's a plug-in for Firefox |
| 17:39.44 | Nafai | I haven't used it personally though |
| 17:56.15 | harleypig | Nafai: then what good are you? |
| 17:56.20 | harleypig | :P |
| 17:56.42 | Nafai | Hey, it's your fault for talking with an unemployed guy |
| 17:57.01 | harleypig | heh |
| 17:57.27 | harleypig | So learn it and train people for ridiculous amounts of money. |
| 17:58.24 | Nafai | Not a half bad idea |
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| 18:33.39 | maquis | is glad to be home from the hospital finally |
| 18:33.49 | maquis | ahs to head to a dr appt soon, though... |
| 18:33.59 | fozzmoo | maquis: Why were you at the hospital? |
| 18:34.15 | maquis | fozzmoo: new baby |
| 18:34.23 | fozzmoo | ~cheer maquis |
| 18:34.24 | ibot | Three cheers for maquis! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! |
| 18:34.31 | fozzmoo | That's awesome. Did everything go okay? |
| 18:34.32 | maquis | 25 hours labor (3 pushing) followed by urgent c-section |
| 18:34.39 | maquis | oh... and it was back labor |
| 18:34.39 | fozzmoo | eeek. |
| 18:34.48 | maquis | so, it kinda sucked... but it was worth it |
| 18:34.48 | fozzmoo | So... hard labor. |
| 18:34.59 | fozzmoo | Baby's good? |
| 18:35.05 | maquis | baby's good |
| 18:35.09 | maquis | adorable little girl |
| 18:35.19 | fozzmoo | That's awesome. |
| 18:35.27 | maquis | but we've got to head to a dr appt for her in a few minutes... |
| 18:35.45 | maquis | just figured i'd say hi since i haven't been around for a long time |
| 18:35.47 | maquis | :) |
| 18:36.03 | goozbach | fozzmoo: /topic ^^^ |
| 18:36.07 | fozzmoo | Pictures on your site now? |
| 18:36.14 | maquis | fozzmoo: not yet |
| 18:36.16 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Yeah, it says congratulations, but not for WHAT!? |
| 18:36.30 | goozbach | hi |
| 18:36.44 | maquis | gonna get some pics up soon, and also a bit of a long (and probably TMI) post |
| 18:37.08 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 18:37.50 | maquis | goozbach: don't forget to include some congrats for thesuperbigfrog too (in case he decides to stop by anytime...... working on trying to get him to hang out in here) |
| 18:38.38 | maquis | anyway, heading out to the doctor's... |
| 18:38.46 | fozzmoo | bye! |
| 18:38.49 | maquis | i'll get to that post once i have a few spare minutes :) |
| 18:50.28 | sjansen | ~ping linode.com |
| 18:50.29 | ibot | pong linode.com |
| 18:51.23 | sjansen | Can anyone reach linode.com? |
| 18:52.05 | goozbach | [goozbach@new ~]$ ping linode.com |
| 18:52.07 | goozbach | PING linode.com (67.18.186.61) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 18:52.09 | goozbach | 64 bytes from www.linode.com (67.18.186.61): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=51.7 ms |
| 18:52.11 | goozbach | 64 bytes from www.linode.com (67.18.186.61): icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=51.6 ms |
| 18:52.13 | goozbach | 64 bytes from www.linode.com (67.18.186.61): icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=51.7 ms |
| 18:52.15 | goozbach | 64 bytes from www.linode.com (67.18.186.61): icmp_seq=5 ttl=53 time=51.5 ms |
| 18:52.21 | goozbach | [root@ord-mandell ~]# ping linode.com |
| 18:52.24 | goozbach | PING linode.com (67.18.186.61) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 18:52.26 | goozbach | 64 bytes from www.linode.com (67.18.186.61): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=30.0 ms |
| 18:52.28 | goozbach | 64 bytes from www.linode.com (67.18.186.61): icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=27.8 ms |
| 18:52.32 | goozbach | that's from two different sides of the country |
| 18:54.24 | fozzmoo | I'm trying to go there in Firefox and it's just "Waiting..." |
| 18:54.37 | sjansen | I'm getting good ping times, but massive packet loss. |
| 18:55.05 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Bummer. |
| 18:55.18 | goozbach | sjansen: ditto |
| 18:55.23 | sjansen | Every connection is just timing out. |
| 18:55.26 | goozbach | abt 40% at the last hop |
| 18:55.44 | sjansen | wonders if it's DoS or misconfiguration |
| 18:55.52 | goozbach | *My* linode is still functioning |
| 18:56.09 | goozbach | is buscaluz still there? |
| 18:56.29 | sjansen | Dunno. I'm getting 50% loss to linode.com and 25% loss to buscaluz.org |
| 18:56.46 | sjansen | All TCP connections just time out. |
| 18:56.52 | goozbach | which datacenter are you in? |
| 18:57.21 | sjansen | I don't remember. |
| 18:57.24 | goozbach | 5% packetloss at ge-6-3-192.car2.Atlanta1.Level3.net to cookie-lumps.com (my linode) |
| 18:57.29 | sjansen | I've been moved a couple times. |
| 18:57.33 | eggyknap | synic / peno: ping |
| 18:57.59 | goozbach | sjansen: looks like someone should be getting a discount |
| 18:59.21 | goozbach | twitter search says some sort of DDOS at the dallas datacenter |
| 18:59.33 | goozbach | I'm in ATL so that's why mine works |
| 19:00.55 | Jayce^ | pretty sad, I get issues like that just on our internal network..... |
| 19:01.09 | Jayce^ | guess the head SA found a fun one yesterday |
| 19:01.33 | Jayce^ | one of the 'techs' had plugged in a switch, and had a cable plugged back into itself (both ends)... :( |
| 19:01.48 | goozbach | nice! |
| 19:06.38 | fozzmoo | That's always an adventure. :) |
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| 19:12.01 | JoshH | linode seems back |
| 19:12.18 | goozbach | sjansen: linode seems back |
| 19:12.25 | goozbach | ohh hi JoshH |
| 19:12.40 | JoshH | sup |
| 19:13.38 | goozbach | you beat me to the punch |
| 19:14.02 | Nafai | Yeah, I wonder why there was so much packet loss |
| 19:14.41 | JoshH | # We're experiencing connectivity issues in our Dallas facility, and are working with the DC to resolve them. Thank you for your patience. 6 minutes ago from web |
| 19:15.40 | Nafai | Makes sense, my linode is in their Dallas facility |
| 19:18.30 | peno | eggyknap: pong |
| 19:33.44 | mulicheng | Jayce^: That happened to me at home just this last week. I couldn't figure out why our network stopped working. Turns out my 3 year old plugged an eth cable from one port in a two port wall jack back into the other port. |
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| 19:52.29 | neybar | what is best practice for using SSL certs for apache? I'm a little leary to put a password on the key file, because I don't want to have to be around to restart apache. |
| 19:53.15 | neybar | I just purchased a godaddy cert so I'm generating the CSR for them. |
| 19:53.59 | goozbach | neybar: I put a password on the key file and store that on a disk |
| 19:54.18 | goozbach | then I remove the passwd to put the key on the server |
| 19:54.54 | goozbach | http://ertw.com/blog/2006/03/06/redhatfedora-ssl-keys-removing-password/ |
| 19:59.05 | sjansen | In my opinion, for Apache the best practice is to make the key file 400 root:root in a directory that is 700 root:root. |
| 19:59.31 | goozbach | sjansen: key or no key? |
| 19:59.38 | goozbach | er password or no password |
| 19:59.39 | goozbach | ? |
| 20:00.55 | sjansen | Sorry, was distracted. No password. |
| 20:03.24 | goozbach | I concur |
| 20:03.50 | goozbach | but storing the keyfile outside of that location (cd or usb thumbdrive) it should always have the password |
| 20:04.10 | neybar | so generate the key, strip the key, generate csr with passwordless key, give that to CA, store the passworded key file some where for backup, and then put the crt and paswordless key where apache needs it? |
| 20:05.37 | sjansen | Obviously store crt too with passworded key. |
| 20:06.01 | sjansen | And don't forget file _and_ directory perms to protect key. |
| 20:06.05 | neybar | if I generate the csr off the pasword protected key file will that require me to enter the password to restart apache, or can I strip off the password from the key at a later point and have it work with with the cert I got from the CA? |
| 20:06.31 | sjansen | The CA knows nothing about the password state of your key. |
| 20:07.07 | sjansen | During startup, Apache detects the password and prompts. No key == no prompt. |
| 20:08.05 | sjansen | The CSR is basically a wrapper around your public key, which is generated based on your private key. |
| 20:08.58 | sjansen | The only effect of leaving your (private) key password protected during CSR generation is that you'll have to type a password to generate the CSR. |
| 20:09.06 | fozzmoo | Has anyone ever used an Arena JanusRAID enclosure? |
| 20:15.43 | fozzmoo | I guess not. |
| 20:17.22 | Jayce^ | nope |
| 20:17.40 | Jayce^ | just recently got a drobo, and now they have the drobo S |
| 20:19.14 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: You like drobo? |
| 20:19.25 | Jayce^ | for it's audience, yes |
| 20:19.29 | Jayce^ | for home users it's nice |
| 20:19.39 | Jayce^ | or small biz type stuff |
| 20:20.37 | fozzmoo | I'm looking for options for a company that needs to expand a file server. |
| 20:20.38 | fozzmoo | I'm looking at some direct-attached stuff... |
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| 20:20.47 | fozzmoo | a 15-drive CORAID enclosure. |
| 20:20.55 | fozzmoo | Drobo is iSCSI? |
| 20:21.25 | fozzmoo | Or Firewire or USB, it looks like. |
| 20:21.45 | fozzmoo | Hmmm. So, about the same, performance-wise, as CORAID. |
| 20:22.58 | goozbach | I like the idea of a CORAID |
| 20:23.19 | fozzmoo | I'm managing a 15-disk CORAID right now and it's been solid. |
| 20:24.16 | fozzmoo | I was thinking a direct-attached SCSI solution might be better.. but U320 is 320Mbps. CORAID is 1Gbps |
| 20:24.30 | fozzmoo | The only way to beat the CORAID is go FC. |
| 20:25.00 | fozzmoo | CORAID has some 10GbE enclosures too. |
| 21:09.08 | mulicheng | git config alias.logk 'log --graph --pretty=format:"%h %ae: %s" --decorate --abbrev-commit' |
| 21:16.38 | goozbach | mulicheng: nice trick |
| 21:21.42 | mulicheng | Yeah, I'm liking that alias a lot. You can read the man page and customize the format to suite your liking. |
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| 21:46.15 | elg | I like --abbreviate-by-decoration |
| 21:48.07 | mulicheng | Which version of git is that in? |
| 21:48.18 | mulicheng | I have 1.6.1.x but it doesn't appear to support that option. |
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| 21:55.13 | elg | sorry, that's simlpify-by-decoration |
| 21:55.17 | elg | I have 1.6.4.2 |
| 21:55.23 | elg | --simplify-by-decoration even |
| 21:55.51 | elg | I have this alias |
| 21:55.52 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.31 | sjansen | Why "logk"? |
| 21:59.40 | elg | (that's w for "wtf am I?") |
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| 22:14.50 | Jayce^ | that was a fun random bit in the day |
| 22:14.56 | Jayce^ | http://tweetphoto.com/5721180 |
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| 22:18.36 | goozbach | Jayce^: are those the springy stilts? |
| 22:18.52 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 22:18.54 | Jayce^ | very springy |
| 22:20.13 | harleypig | Jayce^: ummm ... isn't that the guy we use d to game with? |
| 22:20.20 | goozbach | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MutvUfQcmMg |
| 22:20.20 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 22:20.23 | Jayce^ | he's in QA now |
| 22:20.32 | harleypig | Oh, yeah ... that's right. |
| 22:20.38 | Jayce^ | yup, that's the one |
| 22:20.51 | Jayce^ | quite a rush when you get moving on them |
| 22:21.34 | goozbach | and you can get moving quite fast no? |
| 22:21.53 | elg | this code I'm written is sprinkled with gratuitous vertical whitespace and it's driving me batty |
| 22:22.08 | fozzmoo | Are those for putting up gypboard on the ceiling? |
| 22:22.17 | elg | why am I unable to read double-spaced? is something wrong with me? not only code but english papers and anything else double-spaced |
| 22:22.36 | fozzmoo | elg: Eat a banana and see if that helps. |
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| 22:23.16 | Jayce^ | yeah, you can |
| 22:23.38 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: the drywall ones are nearly so springy |
| 22:23.47 | fozzmoo | not, you mean? |
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| 22:23.56 | Jayce^ | right |
| 22:24.59 | goozbach | I've worn the drywall stilts |
| 22:25.11 | goozbach | they are the antisis(sp?) of springy |
| 22:25.26 | goozbach | they are quite rigid AAMOF |
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| 22:25.40 | elg | antitheses |
| 22:25.41 | Jayce^ | antihesis |
| 22:25.42 | elg | antithesis |
| 22:25.43 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 22:26.01 | elg | antitheses are the many things that distract me from my thesis. |
| 22:27.10 | fozzmoo | So, what does one do with these springy stilts? |
| 22:27.24 | Jayce^ | watch the youtube video goozbach linked |
| 22:27.36 | fozzmoo | watches |
| 22:28.05 | goozbach | if I had any guts I'd try them |
| 22:28.08 | goozbach | they look like fun |
| 22:28.23 | goozbach | it'd take a long time wearing them to get comfortable running etc I'd imagine |
| 22:28.43 | fozzmoo | Yeah- I'm thinking, "How many injuries were sustained in the making of this video?" |
| 22:30.15 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 22:30.25 | Jayce^ | first time I stood up, I kinda kept on going.. |
| 22:30.35 | Jayce^ | it's easier to walk than to stand still |
| 22:31.06 | fozzmoo | The jumping off the roof stuff looks cool. Just gotta make sure you land on the stilts. :) |
| 22:31.15 | fozzmoo | (and not on yo face.) |
| 22:31.35 | Jayce^ | man, that'd kill your knees |
| 22:31.54 | fozzmoo | How much do these things run? |
| 22:32.05 | Jayce^ | no idea.. the boss bought them |
| 22:32.11 | Jayce^ | and he's got $$ |
| 22:32.43 | Jayce^ | mrpull: you see the date announcement for photocamp? |
| 22:44.08 | sjansen | loves him some git add -p |
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| 22:44.32 | goozbach | what's the -p do? |
| 22:44.50 | sjansen | Allows you to edit the patch. |
| 22:44.58 | sjansen | http://blog.nuclearsquid.com/writings/git-add |
| 22:45.16 | goozbach | nice |
| 22:46.37 | sjansen | Oh yeah. I've got some debug code I don't want to throw yet, but I don't want to commit it either. |
| 22:46.42 | sjansen | git rocks |
| 22:50.04 | Jayce^ | man, wish I could get them to convert here :( |
| 22:50.15 | Jayce^ | they keep getting deeper into layering hacks on cvs :( |
| 22:51.50 | goozbach | get them to move to SVN |
| 22:51.54 | goozbach | AT LEAST! |
| 22:52.11 | fozzmoo | Sometimes it's just easier to start over. :) |
| 22:52.27 | goozbach | it was like pulling teeth to get $dayjob moved over to SVN |
| 22:52.42 | goozbach | but now, no one knows the CVS commands anymore |
| 22:52.56 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Excellent. :) |
| 22:54.01 | Jayce^ | yeah, I wish... but they keep building more cvs hooks |
| 22:54.10 | mulicheng | I like git rebase -i too. |
| 22:54.18 | elg | so the lead developer on this code hates leading * on c comments. hates hates hates it |
| 22:54.20 | Jayce^ | I swear, each commit drives so many stupid scripts to fire off... pegs the box |
| 22:54.28 | Jayce^ | you keep waiting for the commit to finihs |
| 22:54.30 | Jayce^ | finish |
| 22:54.36 | elg | anyone know off-hand how to disable leading * in c comments in vim? |
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| 22:57.47 | Tene | leading *? |
| 22:58.04 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.06 | Tene | oh, i get it. |
| 22:58.11 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.13 | elg | */ |
| 22:58.26 | elg | he says "it's so 1986" |
| 22:58.45 | elg | which, coincidentally(?) is the year he graduated from high school I htink. |
| 22:59.06 | Tene | elg: just move to msvc... they don't support C++ comments, so you're stuck with // |
| 22:59.56 | Tene | I think I know a real answer, lemme test. |
| 23:00.49 | Tene | :set comments=sl:/*,mb:\ ,elx:*/ |
| 23:02.10 | sjansen | is shocked to discover his laptop can now do dual screen flawlessly with zero setup |
| 23:02.29 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Oh? |
| 23:03.38 | Tene | elg: that work for you? |
| 23:03.40 | sjansen | I plugged in a 1920x1080 screen to my T61p, pressed Fn-F7 a few times and now I have nearly twice as many pixels. |
| 23:05.25 | elg | sorta. |
| 23:05.30 | sjansen | Well, almost flawlessly. Nautilus is stretching my background something hideous. |
| 23:05.34 | elg | but actually :setl fo= seems to work pretty well |
| 23:05.47 | elg | if you see a background, ur doing it wrong |
| 23:06.33 | mulicheng | giggles at his current pixel dimension of 5120x1600 (2 2560x1600 monitors) |
| 23:06.59 | sjansen | / <- C++ comment |
| 23:07.13 | sjansen | Let's try that again... |
| 23:07.17 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.21 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.33 | Tene | Ah, right. Oops. |
| 23:07.50 | Tene | I hate hate hate how gnome handles multiple monitors. |
| 23:08.00 | Tene | Metacity can gdiaf. |
| 23:08.11 | elg | :set fo=t even better |
| 23:08.21 | sjansen | Tene: What does it do wrong? |
| 23:08.42 | sjansen | I've never really played with multi-head setups before. |
| 23:08.59 | Tene | sjansen: it doesn't let you switch desktops independently. |
| 23:09.08 | elg | well, fo=t works well for insertion but not for formatting |
| 23:09.16 | elg | and you lose the auto leader for // comments |
| 23:09.34 | fozzmoo | Tene: I just hate GNOME. :) |
| 23:09.38 | elg | so i guess it's going to be comments=something after all |
| 23:10.15 | elg | step one, understand the default |
| 23:10.49 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.57 | sjansen | Tene: That would be nice. What does, and how does it work? |
| 23:16.57 | jshipley | gnome does seem to be worse than pretty much everything else for supporting multiple monitors |
| 23:18.29 | sjansen | What does it better, why is it better, and how does it work? |
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| 23:33.59 | elg | http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120994007&sc=fb&cc=fp |
| 23:34.07 | elg | it's about bacon |