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00:58.01bonez2046help, my mother has AOL.. for her email and contacts and all that junk.. on an old machine. I want to migrate her to a newer machine.. anyone know how to do this with minimal pain?
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01:57.22bonez2046I have an older machine.. has one hdd that runs win xp installed; I plugged in another drive as well, small capacity, but this other drive , formatted with fat32.. RAN , i.e, booted up fine when I had it plugged in to my new machine here at home.. but when this old machine boots, it shows this older drive as 'host for F' and it only shows 'autoexec.bat' and 'config.sys' on that drive, though the Properties show it has very little
01:58.07bonez2046what might be preventing the drive from being seen? the BIOS does not allow for more than one hdd to be recognized.. could this be the reason? would I need to disconnect the currently working hdd and then just connect this older one to get it to boot to it?
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03:05.44elg~mock jay
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03:05.49elg~mock jayce^ even
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15:35.04*** topic/#utah by tensai -> http://utos.org/irc | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | bah bah black sheep, have you any wool?
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16:14.54Sargun_ScreenOk, all you photography experts
16:15.27Sargun_ScreenHow do I take pictures are a place where there is a bunch of light being emmited sporadically from a handful of clustered points?
16:15.31Sargun_ScreenLike...a rave?
16:15.37Sargun_Screen--Ok a Canon G9
16:15.49fozzmooYou don't use the auto settings. :)
16:15.51Sargun_ScreenI could put up the ISO to 1600.
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16:16.01Sargun_Screen(The flash needs to be off obviously....)
16:16.04fozzmooright.
16:16.08Sargun_Screenbut what else?
16:16.44Sargun_ScreenIf I make the shutter speed and higher, I wont get light
16:16.50fozzmooRight.
16:16.53Sargun_ScreenunlessI increase the ISOto 3200
16:16.57tristanbobreally big flash
16:16.57sjansenAbout a month ago I started occasionally using emacs. For the first time ever, I've recently started to feel some carpal tunnel symptoms. Coincedence?
16:16.59Sargun_Screenthen the image gets grainy.
16:17.10fozzmooAnd I'm guessing you don't have a tripod at a... "rave"
16:17.13Sargun_Screentristanbob: hahaha, the DJ has one of those.
16:17.25Sargun_Screenfozzmoo: No. Tripods are kind of big, and bulky
16:17.28Sargun_Screenand aren't allowed.
16:17.31fozzmooMonopods are nice.
16:17.44Sargun_ScreenUnless you get photographer's access
16:17.54fozzmooBut, anyway- my camera, a Fuji S5200, has a mode where you can take 3 pictures bam-bam-bam.
16:18.11fozzmooWhen I shoot concerts and stuff like that, I use that and about half the time, one of the three shots will be decent.
16:18.13tristanbobhttp://www.plurlife.com/forum/picture-video-forum/3208-how-take-rave-photos.html
16:18.17Sargun_Screenfozzmoo: as does mine, but the shutter speed goes to infinity
16:18.29Sargun_Screentristanbob: good call.
16:19.26fozzmooSargun, yeah, that kinda sucks.
16:20.06Sargun_ScreenIf I could even capture the thing in RAW, it would help a lot.
16:20.16Sargun_Screenwonders if installing CHDK is a good idea.
16:22.48tristanbobSargun_Screen, yes, raw helps for adjusting light levels later
16:26.47Sargun_Screentristanbob: Hm...
16:27.23Sargun_Screentristanbob: I wonder if there as easy way to make it shoot a bunch of pictures and super impose them on each other.
16:27.30Sargun_ScreenLike shoot with the highest shutter speed
16:27.31fozzmooNafai: ping
16:27.50Sargun_Screenand then ramp up flash strenfgth
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16:32.39mrpullSargun_Screen: you could try aperture priority and choose a bigger (lower number) aperture
16:33.03mrpullon a G9 you are going to have noise above ISO800
16:33.36mrpullif budget was no concern you could upgrade to a full size sensor, but i'm guessing that isn't in your plans
16:35.34mrpullalso, look at spot metering or center-weighted metering instead of the default
16:36.57mrpullSlow Sync flash can create some interesting effects too in low light situations
16:37.22Sargun_Screenmrpull: Size is a bigger issue than cash
16:37.31Sargun_Screenbringing a DSLR into a rave is non-trivial.
16:37.48mrpullthe G11 has a bigger sensor and is a similar size to the G9
16:38.04Sargun_ScreenI did not know this.
16:38.32mrpulli bought a Canon S90 (same sensor as the G11) and it is almost as noise free as my DSLR at similar ISO
16:39.46mrpullthe G11 also has a swing out LCD... could be good for framing an overhead shot
16:39.49neybarmrpull: have you had a chance to compare the S90 to the G11?  I'm looking at both of those.  I like the size of the S90, but G11 has a little larger feature set.  I'm also not sold on the flip out LCD
16:40.12mrpullneybar: i bought the S90 after an internal tug of war
16:40.28mrpullsize beat out manual controls in the end
16:40.39mrpulli have a nikon d90 too
16:40.56mrpullthe S90 also has a better WAF
16:41.31neybarthat's kind of the direction I'm heading too.  I figure if I really want all the controls I can get a slr.  On the other hand I tend to carry my compact every where, so I want it to be as nice as possible.
16:41.31mrpullis i only had ONE camera, i'd pick the G11
16:41.59mrpullyou can shoot in full manual on the S90 too
16:42.18mrpullits control scheme is pretty unique
16:42.31neybaryeah, I like all the knobs on top.  
16:42.33mrpulli wish it had a dedicated dial for ISO like the G11 does
16:42.45neybarI've heard that the ring on the S90 can get awkward
16:42.56mrpullthe ring is kinda awkward
16:42.59mrpullso many praise it
16:43.02mrpulli dont really like it
16:43.47Sargun_ScreenHow long until the G12?
16:43.48Sargun_Screen:-P
16:43.59mrpulli'd think at least 11 months
16:44.04Sargun_ScreenTime to commute
16:44.04Sargun_Screenbye
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16:54.57sjansenRIP Crunchpad http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/30/crunchpad-end/
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16:59.20goozbachRIP something I hadn't even heard of... :(
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17:08.36leviGood morning.
17:10.42fozzmoogives levi the masculine head-nod.
17:10.52goozbachfozzmoo: tilt or no tilt?
17:11.05fozzmoogoozbach: No tilt. :)
17:11.07goozbachand did you give him "the shooter"?
17:11.17fozzmoogoozbach: No, I'm not that cheezy. :)
17:11.19goozbachone bob or two?
17:11.31goozbachup and down? or just down?
17:11.38fozzmoogoozbach: Sounds like we need some ibot programming done.
17:11.40goozbachor just up for that matter
17:11.46goozbach?
17:11.52goozbachwhy?
17:12.05goozbachI'm just trying to invision the head nod
17:12.12goozbachthere are so many different types
17:12.17fozzmooTo accommodate all these variables.
17:12.49fozzmooone bob, no tilt, no shooter
17:14.56goozbachthanks, that helps
17:17.59goozbachso where were you standing when you gave said head bob?
17:18.15goozbachand what's the weather like out the window, if there is one
17:18.18goozbach?
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17:18.28goozbach:D
17:29.19tvc123_smacks goozbach in the back of the head
17:31.23goozbachnods (albeit forced) at tvc123
17:31.58goozbachonce, slight tilt away from tvc123, no shooter, in cube, no window, florcent lights
17:32.01goozbach:)
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17:50.10sjansengoozbach: Yes, but what did you have to breakfast. Details man!
17:50.30goozbachno breakfast
17:51.07Migshttp://twitpic.com/rlhzr
17:51.34fozzmooheh
17:53.53MigsThe Supreme Court backed U.S. retail giant Walmart Stores' right to close a Quebec store after a union attempted to organize workers there.
17:53.54Migshahahaha
17:54.08MigsWant a union?  Screw you, we're closing the store!
17:55.10Migsunions are utterly stupid
17:55.53sjansenUnions had a time and a place, much like amputation as primary treatment for battle injuries had a time and a place.
17:57.03jsmithhas been staring at C code too long... jsmith figured sjansen was referring to structs and unions in C code :-p
17:57.36sjansenheh
17:57.47goozbachhah
17:59.37Migsoh I agree.  But they've been obsolete since the 1930s.
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18:03.53mulichengAnecdotal Union story: Worker is productive, Union manager says to worker: "You're being too productive and making the other employees look bad, please work the same amount of hours but do less work."
18:04.21Migshaha, I had that happen to me too
18:04.40MigsI was at the IRS and I was getting, like, 4 times the work done as everyone else
18:04.40Migsmy manager told me to SLOW DOWN
18:05.01Migswhen performance reviews came around, my high performance raised the bar for everyone
18:07.59fozzmoocan't imagine someone with a decent work ethic working the counter at the post office.
18:15.02Migsmaybe if they had give us Internet access, I would've been less productive.  That would've solved the problem.
18:15.13goozbachhah!
18:22.48Migs"References: Enter the requested information for two adults with different U.S. addresses who have known you for at least three years."  <-- from a form I'm filling out.  I wonder if they count people I know online.
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18:49.47elghttp://www.zazzle.com/remove_before_flight_tie-151843542798596832
18:50.34fozzmooheh
18:50.44elgfozzmoo: my grandfather has a very decent work ethic and works at the post office now, though I think as a janitor or facilities somethingorother
18:51.11elghasn't worked post office all his life (was mostly a traveling salesman while I was growing up, but had worked in mines and various other physical jobs)
18:51.52fozzmooelg: Sure, I'm sure there are exceptions. Just wish someone could come off their break a little early or stop stuffing boxes for a bit when there's 20 people in line and only one open window.
18:53.43elgah, i misunderstood the joke/angst
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19:57.26tristanboblooks like I have 8 google wave invites - if people want them
20:00.08fozzmoostill doesn't get it.
20:00.56tristanbobI know -I am forcing myself to use it
20:02.57unumam I a horrible person for preffering five guys to in and out
20:03.04goozbachunum: not at all
20:03.13goozbachtristanbob: I refuse to use it
20:03.19goozbachso don't send me one.
20:03.25goozbachkthksbye
20:03.29goozbach:)
20:03.34tristanbobsends goozbach an invite to spite him
20:03.48goozbachspites tristanbob a goozbach to invite him
20:03.56goozbachscratches his head
20:04.03goozbachI have no idea what that means
20:04.03tristanbobfalls asleep
20:04.32jsmithunum: No, that means you're a realist!
20:04.51unumI also prefer bajio to cafe rio
20:04.58goozbachI may have a new favorite semi-fastfood burger joint
20:04.58unumbut bajio sell deep fried burritos
20:05.03unumhow can you not prefer that
20:05.19goozbachanyone here heard of Cheeseburger Bobby's?
20:12.13jsmithgoozbach: Nope
20:12.20jsmithcraves lunch
20:12.21goozbachit's tasty
20:17.36leviI saw the In-n-Out sign driving to the Draper location.
20:18.26leviI will probably go to In-n-Out at some point, but I was underwhelmed by my previous visits to them in Vegas and CA.
20:19.01unumsame here
20:19.57sjansenemcnabb is visiting our office and vulnerable for the next 30 minutes. Any ideas?
20:20.10goozbachsjansen: tranq dart
20:20.19goozbachand tatoos
20:20.27goozbachtell the punk hi from me
20:20.34goozbachjust before you shoot him
20:20.41levisjansen: Show him how awesome you think emacs is now.  That's sure to trigger a heart attack.
20:22.24sjansenunum: You are infinitely reasonable for recognizing Five Guys is better than In and Out.
20:22.36leviI need to visit Five Guys sometime.
20:22.51JoshHfive guys is superb
20:23.21JoshHi like in n out, but the hype is definitely a bit overboard with it
20:23.27JoshHi'm not sure how it got such a cult following
20:23.48leviI blame Californians.
20:24.09sjansenFive Guys being better than In and Out isn't so much a comment on the quality of Five Guys as the quality of In and Out.
20:25.06goozbachJoshH: the hidden menu helps
20:25.50elgin n out makes an ok burger. so do I. not worth standing in line for
20:26.05JoshHya, i definitely wouldn't stand in line like that
20:26.27JoshHbut if i'm just in the mood for a burger, in n out would be a possible choice
20:26.50sjansenFive Guys cajun fries are worth standing in line for, if you bring a group large enough to eat them.
20:26.53elgmostly I think it's california imports who are either looking for nostalgia or are seriously convinced by the groupthink that in n out really is all that and a bag of chips
20:27.26JoshHfive guys, apollo, and training table are probably the best burgers in town, besides the burgers at various bars/restaurants, but i don't always go go one of those when i need one.
20:28.10elgthere's something to be said for the speed of the wendys on south university ave in provo
20:28.24elgand the probably-cancer-causing "flamebroil" taste you get at BK
20:28.25JoshHif mormons are allowed to go into bars without drinking there, definitely check out the garlic burger at cotton bottom by big cottonwood
20:28.32JoshHthe black and blue burger at squatters is also great
20:28.35goozbachohhh apollo burgers.....
20:28.40goozbachhow I miss thee
20:29.23elgallowed? sure. and I bet nobody in here would get squeamish about going into a bar for a burger
20:29.51JoshHyou should then
20:29.53JoshHit's fantastic
20:29.55elgbut Some Folks™ would never make it past their inner shoulder angel, and if they did they'd probably never make it past their "but the RS gossip might see me" angel. :)
20:30.05elgRS == relief society, sorry
20:30.28JoshHat cotton bottom you won't even need to get your id scanned and entered into the database, since it's just a tavern :)
20:30.39JoshHso no chance of the bishop finding out unless he's there too
20:30.51elgthe same one that keeps guys from going to porn stands which accounts for the high amount of online pr0n
20:31.00JoshHthat's the new utah law btw, you might not have heard about it since you're in a normal state
20:31.57Migsthe only reason I don't go into bars is because they smell bad
20:31.57elgcan't say I've ever really been in a bar actually. other than restaurants with bars or places that seem to be half sandwich shop half bar which i doubt is quite the same thing. but i'd go in if I had a reason
20:32.04elgyeah, the smoke
20:32.10Migssmoking is disgusting
20:32.11JoshHnot anymore migs, smoking got banned at them
20:32.21Migsin private bars, too?
20:32.23elgI've wanted to go into a bar (in NM) for some jazz but the smoke turned me off
20:32.24JoshHyep
20:32.27Migsthey still stink
20:32.37Migspeople who go to bars are very stinky people
20:32.46elgwhen I was a cub scout we had an outing to a radio station. it was seriously the coooolest thing ever
20:33.02elgand I was out of there in like 2 minutes and had to lie in the car with a spinning head, the smoke made me sick that quick
20:33.07Migsseriously, though, I don't have friends who drink that much, so we never have a need to go to bars
20:33.17JoshHi think you can only smoke at elks lodges  and "fraternal organizations" now that are completely non-public
20:33.29JoshHMigs: food and music would be the only reasons then
20:33.38elgdo you have to wear an elk hat like they do in the flintstones?
20:33.45JoshHhopefully
20:33.54JoshHmaybe they have some kind of grandmaster guy that has a big set of antlers
20:34.20elgmaybe we should adopt a funny hat dress code in #utah
20:35.23Migsmandatory dress code, yes
20:35.49Migsyou have to have a live webcam feed going at all times to prove you're up to code
20:45.15sjansenMigs: I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Between you and harleypig, the potential for mental pain and anguish is too high.
20:51.04harleypigsjansen: But ... but ... I'm not that way *all* the time!
20:51.12harleypigsometimes I sleep ...
20:51.17harleypigor am gone to lunch
20:54.58sjansengoozbach: Evan's passed out on the floor with a new tattoo. What should I do now?
20:56.37harleypigarghh ... can anyone tell me how to use chat add in bitlbee?
20:56.38Heartsbanesjansen: start top posting to him
20:57.06goozbachsjansen: ransom note, duh!
20:57.15goozbachdo I have to come out there and do everything myself!?
20:59.38Sargun_Screenhm...
21:01.05sjansenOkay, I've transferred the last hour of #utah onto a line of post-it notes from his navel to his forehead.
21:01.28elgsjansen: print out every picture harleypig has linked to in the past week and put it in his briefacase
21:01.34sjansenI am _not_ about to try to ransom him to Lisa.
21:04.08Sargun_Screenpictures + the internet
21:07.17goozbachsjansen: I understand
21:07.26goozbachmaybe to ensley?...
21:07.33goozbachyou may get a cookie or something
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21:18.48Nafaifozzmoo: pong
21:18.49Nafai:)
21:19.11fozzmoo:)
21:27.26NafaiYay for Monday's!
21:27.34Nafaigoozbach: see my link earlier?
21:36.02goozbachNafai: which one?
21:36.11goozbachyour python script?
21:36.15NafaiYeah
21:36.17goozbachfor home dir stow?
21:36.20goozbachyeah
21:36.22goozbachsaw that
21:36.29goozbachI'm actually using stow for my homedir :)
21:36.38goozbachdotfiles are managed via that makefile
21:37.23goozbachand "bin" files, "etc" files, "lib" files are in their respective projects directories and get stowed into ~/stowdir/
21:37.27fozzmoogoozbach: Why?
21:37.34goozbachwhich has ~/stowdir/bin in my $PATH
21:37.35fozzmooI saw your blog post about _dot_files
21:37.44fozzmooBut it doesn't explain what the problem is that it solves.
21:38.07goozbachfozzmoo: I got tired of losing changes to my .bashrc or .bash_profile
21:38.24goozbachand putting $HOME into version control is messy
21:38.28fozzmooAnd how did you lose changes?
21:38.37Nafaigoozbach: You probably went with a little cleaner route than I
21:38.43Nafaifozzmoo: probably not in version control :)
21:38.55goozbachedit once, break, edit again, fix, edit again and lose original versino
21:38.59goozbachetc
21:39.04fozzmooHmm.m I guess I don't mess around with my .zshrc at all.
21:39.07fozzmooI just set it and go.
21:39.17goozbachfozzmoo: you don't add aliases ever?
21:39.21fozzmooheh heh. no.
21:39.24fozzmooI type really, really fast.
21:39.33goozbachI find myself adding aliases for bunches of stuff
21:39.37fozzmooaliases just deny my fingers the exercise they crave.
21:39.52goozbachI dropped .vim into that folder
21:39.58goozbach*BAM* version controled
21:40.12fozzmooNow, .vim* would be nice to track changes in.
21:40.22fozzmooI hate vim's config file syntax
21:40.24goozbachand I modified my .bashrc to do my own .profile.d directory
21:40.30goozbachala /etc/profile.d
21:40.44goozbachbut it's ~/.profile.d
21:40.56goozbachso I can modify the shell just by dropping a file into that location
21:41.06goozbachit's pretty nifty If I do say so myself
21:41.28goozbachthe really fun part is my stow'ed binfiles
21:41.30sjansenrealizes he should have done the same a long time ago
21:41.56goozbachso when I write a helper script which needs libs etc and so forth it's not mixed with other helper scripts with the same
21:42.15goozbachthey're just linked into my stowdir and managed in their own version controled directories!
21:44.17fozzmooI think _dot_files needs some documentation. :)
21:45.54goozbachfozzmoo: it's on github!
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21:49.04harleypighttp://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/yr-italy-print-campaign-for-glassing-sunglasses.html
21:49.22goozbachfozzmoo: that stowdir isn't part of _dot_files
21:49.29goozbachit's something on top of it
21:50.21fozzmooI know it's on github.
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21:51.14goozbachI guess what I was saying is "patches welcome"
21:53.09goozbachfozzmoo: do this: ls -a ~/.[^.]*  and ask yourself if there are any of those files you would like in revision control
21:53.24goozbachand not just the .* directories either
21:53.35goozbachit's easy to put .vim/ into version control
21:53.41goozbach.screenrc not so much
21:53.50goozbachthat's what _dot_files is for
21:54.03goozbachthe fact that it makes .vim/ easy too is bonus
22:03.37sjansenharleypig: I'm confused. Is that supposed to make me want to buy sunglasses, or punch people wearing sunglasses?
22:07.34fozzmoosjansen: I think that question is the normal reaction.
22:08.05sjansenpunches fozzmoo just to be safe
22:08.24fozzmooOw! My Glass!
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22:45.44harleypigsjansen: :> I just like the concept
22:46.52harleypiggives new meaning to the epithet 'assface'
22:58.01mrpullSmash Burger is better than In and Out and Five Guys
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23:24.40goozbachtime to head home
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