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| 01:04.06 | keldwud | herro |
| 01:04.45 | keldwud | anyone available to answer a couple basic questions about SSH? |
| 01:04.52 | keldwud | I'm failing miserably at RTFM |
| 01:05.28 | keldwud | . |
| 01:06.24 | whiteinge | keldwud: we won't know if we can answer the questions until you ask them. :) |
| 01:08.02 | keldwud | I'm trying to connect to my laptop from my desktop |
| 01:08.12 | keldwud | I've got ssh installed |
| 01:08.21 | keldwud | but I can't get past the password prompt. |
| 01:08.49 | keldwud | ssh example.local gets me to username@example.local password prompt |
| 01:09.06 | keldwud | but entering the password that I use to login locally to example.local doesn't work. |
| 01:10.16 | whiteinge | Is there any useful info when you try to connect with verbose messages turned on? ssh -v example.local and ssh -vv example.local |
| 01:10.25 | keldwud | one sec. |
| 01:11.13 | keldwud | I have the verbose output but I won't flood the channel with the results |
| 01:11.43 | keldwud | host is kown and matches the local RSA key |
| 01:12.02 | keldwud | next authentication method: password is the last line |
| 01:12.29 | keldwud | so I'm guessing that it isn't finding what it needs in identity, id_rsa, or id_dsa? |
| 01:12.36 | keldwud | am I following correctly? |
| 01:14.34 | whiteinge | sounds about right |
| 01:15.04 | whiteinge | Is there anything useful at the end of your /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 01:15.11 | whiteinge | (On the laptop, that is.) |
| 01:15.42 | keldwud | checking |
| 01:17.09 | keldwud | invalid user [username] from [desktop] |
| 01:18.31 | keldwud | this leads me to believe that when I am using ssh, it passes along the username I am logged in under to the remote machine |
| 01:18.58 | keldwud | checking the man to see if I can make it login with a different username |
| 01:19.24 | keldwud | -L? |
| 01:19.31 | whiteinge | that is correct. to specify another username the syntax is: username@host |
| 01:19.47 | whiteinge | no, -L is used for something else |
| 01:20.23 | whiteinge | oh, or -l works |
| 01:20.24 | keldwud | I just got in I think by using ssh -l [username] example.local |
| 01:20.35 | keldwud | I feel kinda slow today, sorry :) |
| 01:21.01 | keldwud | my ultimate goal was to use SSH to access a remote session through a GUI |
| 01:21.21 | keldwud | and I haven't been able to ask google the right questions because I don't know exactly how to ask |
| 01:21.26 | whiteinge | today is a good day for slow. :) |
| 01:22.01 | whiteinge | To connect to a remote X session you need to do one (sometimes two) things: |
| 01:22.31 | whiteinge | ssh -X -C username@host |
| 01:23.04 | keldwud | aahh, ok checking |
| 01:23.11 | whiteinge | once you're in, just try to start a remote program like xeyes or something |
| 01:24.50 | whiteinge | if it doesn't work, edit your /etc/ssh/sshd_config file and make sure that X11Forwarding is uncommented and set to yes. |
| 01:25.35 | keldwud | I think it is working :) I can run programs |
| 01:25.42 | keldwud | is there anyway to do a remote desktop? |
| 01:27.27 | whiteinge | not with plain ssh, no. you'll probably want to look into VNC for that. |
| 01:27.40 | keldwud | yeah, we were having issues with VNC |
| 01:28.08 | whiteinge | VNC can go over ssh, but you need to run a VNC server on the laptop and connect with a VNC client on your desktop |
| 01:28.29 | whiteinge | ah |
| 01:28.51 | whiteinge | VNC is not my favorite tech |
| 01:28.58 | whiteinge | what problems were you seeing with it? |
| 01:29.43 | keldwud | was able to establish a connection but the screen was not refreshing |
| 01:30.50 | keldwud | for example, from the desktop connected to the laptop, I could perform actions from the desktop |
| 01:31.14 | keldwud | but nothing on the desktop would show up, whereas if I looked at the laptop, the items I opened showed as opened |
| 01:31.40 | keldwud | so I could perform actions remotely, but the local session would not update with the new information. |
| 01:33.07 | keldwud | am I phrasing that in a way that can be understood? :) |
| 01:33.13 | keldwud | I know it sounds kind of vague |
| 01:34.08 | whiteinge | that's a fine description. :) |
| 01:34.15 | whiteinge | what VNC client/server were you using? |
| 01:38.10 | keldwud | checking. it has been uninstalled so we are trying to figure out which package he installed through synaptic |
| 01:38.38 | keldwud | tightvnc, possibly |
| 01:38.55 | keldwud | or gtkvnc |
| 01:38.58 | keldwud | sorry. :) |
| 01:39.07 | keldwud | I came in on this in the middle. |
| 01:39.23 | keldwud | I'm trying to tell him to just be happy with ssh and the ability to run programs that way |
| 01:39.33 | keldwud | because it's much simpler that way |
| 01:39.52 | whiteinge | heh |
| 01:40.33 | keldwud | I guess I better get a recommendation for a decent VNC server and client and then I'll go try and install those and set them up on my own |
| 01:40.54 | whiteinge | one thing to keep in mind with straight SSH is if your connection dies it will close the remote program and you'll lose any work |
| 01:41.29 | keldwud | good to know. |
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| 01:43.55 | whiteinge | tightvnc is very common (popular?) and I don't know of any reasons not to use it. |
| 01:44.05 | keldwud | after some research I have found that tightvnc is the one that has the update issue that I described |
| 01:44.22 | whiteinge | but, like I said, I avoid VNC so I'm probably not the best person to ask :) |
| 01:44.25 | keldwud | other users have experienced the same issue with the session halting the updates |
| 01:44.39 | keldwud | whiteinge - thank you for the assistance with the SSH |
| 01:44.53 | keldwud | I can now connect from the desktop to the laptop |
| 01:45.04 | whiteinge | np! |
| 01:45.24 | keldwud | but I'm having issues connecting from the laptop to the desktop |
| 01:45.34 | keldwud | permission denied, no public key |
| 01:47.12 | whiteinge | on the desktop, check the /etc/ssh/sshd_config and look for PasswordAuthentication is it set to yes? |
| 01:48.10 | keldwud | ahh :) I asked him what he had changed in there and he couldn't remember |
| 01:48.14 | keldwud | changing it to yes now and testing |
| 01:48.30 | whiteinge | make sure to restart ssh after you edit the file |
| 01:49.43 | keldwud | restarted :) |
| 01:49.46 | keldwud | testing |
| 01:49.57 | keldwud | thanks for the tip, I almost forgot to restart ssh |
| 01:50.34 | keldwud | working |
| 01:50.38 | keldwud | you're my hero :) |
| 01:50.52 | keldwud | I'll remember that when I start working again and I'll buy you a beer |
| 01:51.06 | whiteinge | :) |
| 01:51.12 | keldwud | is whiteinge your standard alias? |
| 01:51.21 | whiteinge | yes |
| 01:51.27 | keldwud | ok. |
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| 01:52.13 | keldwud | thanks for the help. I'm going to go research this VNC thing now |
| 01:52.39 | whiteinge | gl |
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| 02:22.49 | keldwud | I think I have settled on FreeNX for our remote desktop software |
| 02:22.59 | keldwud | does anyone have any warnings against that? |
| 02:30.28 | whiteinge | keldwud: NX is the undisputed champion of remote desktop performance |
| 02:30.35 | whiteinge | it is a bit hard to get set up though |
| 02:33.12 | Sargun | hey all |
| 02:33.15 | Sargun | NX is awesome |
| 02:34.47 | keldwud | yeah, I was just realizing that |
| 02:34.56 | keldwud | that it is awesome *and* that it's hard to setup |
| 02:35.26 | Sargun | uhm |
| 02:35.29 | keldwud | I'm looking through the FreeNX pages now and I haven't been able to use a sudo apt-get to install it because the package doesn't exist even after adding the repository |
| 02:35.38 | Sargun | it might be worth buying ForPayNX |
| 02:35.40 | keldwud | also, sargun. wanna help? :) |
| 02:36.00 | keldwud | if I can't figure out freenx, I'll probably just go with ultranx |
| 02:36.03 | Sargun | haha, only if you want ot beat the database |
| 02:36.05 | keldwud | I mean ultraVNC |
| 02:36.17 | Sargun | haha |
| 02:36.27 | Sargun | Well, let me get context first |
| 02:36.34 | keldwud | we have a work maching running XP that needs to connect to home desktop running ubuntu |
| 02:36.35 | whiteinge | the hardest part of setting up NX is the error messages that it returns are usually unhelpful and sometimes downright misleading. |
| 02:36.47 | keldwud | and have an ubuntu laptop as well |
| 02:36.53 | keldwud | we want all three machines interoperable |
| 02:37.20 | keldwud | that's why I was thinking ultraVNC because everything I've found supports the theory that ultraVNC supports windows video drivers better |
| 02:37.24 | Sargun | keldwud, how much does speed/latnecy mamtter |
| 02:37.26 | Sargun | matter |
| 02:38.13 | keldwud | doesn't matter all that much |
| 02:38.24 | keldwud | we have high bandwidth |
| 02:38.41 | Sargun | I would just get VNC then |
| 02:40.17 | keldwud | I'd like FreeNX but like I said before, it doesn't appear to be so simple to install. |
| 02:40.29 | Sargun | it isn't |
| 02:40.30 | keldwud | and I'm already several hours into this venture :) |
| 02:41.05 | Sargun | don't' worry, you'll eventually be turned into a brooding pile of brains by this |
| 02:42.08 | keldwud | guess I'll start with ultraVNC and see how things work from there. We started with TightVNC but we were having polling issues where the video wouldn't update on the system that was remote connected. The screen would update on the local machine. |
| 02:43.34 | keldwud | sargun - have you heard anything about or ever used rdesktop? |
| 02:44.17 | Sargun | yeah |
| 02:44.25 | Sargun | I use rdesktop over NX for winshit |
| 02:45.32 | keldwud | I'll check out rdesktop once I can figure out what comcast is doing to block the work computer from accessing the home network |
| 02:46.10 | keldwud | for now we only need to connect the two linux machines |
| 02:46.27 | keldwud | and the user isn't happy with the ssh -X -C solution :( |
| 02:46.28 | keldwud | lol |
| 02:47.21 | Sargun | haha |
| 02:47.27 | Sargun | FreeNX is the best for Linux |
| 02:48.33 | keldwud | yeah, I'm excited about the FreeNX but it would take me about six hours to complete that task properly |
| 02:48.38 | keldwud | I have to teach myself as I go |
| 02:49.21 | keldwud | I'm trying to talk him into letting me do it tomorrow as I don't want to spend another six hours figuring out how to untar, make, install and configure FreeNX |
| 02:49.46 | keldwud | my compiling skills are quite novice |
| 02:50.01 | keldwud | apt-get has completely spoiled me :) |
| 02:52.47 | Sargun | hehe |
| 02:52.50 | Sargun | don't compile |
| 02:52.53 | Sargun | yuck, yuck |
| 02:55.42 | keldwud | may have to. None of the repositories listed for FreeNX work. |
| 03:02.24 | keldwud | thanks for all the help guys; whiteinge, sargun |
| 03:02.31 | keldwud | later |
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| 17:03.21 | mgeary | hi folks |
| 17:04.45 | mgeary | hey, i'm trying to set up a client's Verio VPS to run django via mod_wsgi. i'm trying to update the python version, and "yum update python" gives me this: |
| 17:04.46 | mgeary | Error: Missing Dependency: /usr/lib/python2.3 is needed by package libxml2-python |
| 17:04.46 | mgeary | Error: Missing Dependency: /usr/lib/python2.3 is needed by package libxslt-python |
| 17:04.55 | mgeary | any suggestions? |
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