| 00:00.22 | Nafai | So what has concerned me about the argumentative discourse that is all too common these days is that people with differing ideas don't want to talk to each other any more |
| 00:00.30 | harleypig | but there is still a huge difference between the two concepts |
| 00:00.56 | harleypig | Nafai: that's it ... I'm /ignoring you ... |
| 00:00.59 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.12 | Nafai | And I've read an article about an idea that if you only associate with people like you, extremism develops because you have to keep going more to that side to feel accepted/better than peers |
| 00:02.00 | harleypig | put's his fingers in his ears |
| 00:02.04 | harleypig | lalalalalalalalalalalalalala |
| 00:02.44 | harleypig | I was going through my old bookmarks earlier today and ran across an article that has bearing on this. How much I'm not sure. |
| 00:02.49 | tensai | harleypig: medicare rates are typically much lower than normal rates |
| 00:02.51 | tensai | http://montclairsoci.blogspot.com/2009/11/top-of-charts.html |
| 00:03.09 | tensai | so would it really be such a bad thing for the govt to get a little more involved? |
| 00:03.59 | harleypig | http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html |
| 00:03.59 | brac | [What You Can't Say] |
| 00:04.44 | harleypig | tensai: Do you really mean that? |
| 00:04.53 | harleypig | as a serious question I mean? |
| 00:05.37 | tensai | yes, in the sense that I believe goverment intervention is appropriate when warranted. in this case it seems that medicare is effective at reducing healthcare costs. |
| 00:05.53 | tensai | I don't believe that government should have its fingers it everything |
| 00:06.07 | harleypig | reducing *dollar* costs ... but what costs are paid in other currency? |
| 00:06.27 | tensai | pesos? |
| 00:06.38 | harleypig | Do you know anyone who has to go to the VA? |
| 00:06.55 | harleypig | I do. it doesn't cost them a dime. |
| 00:07.20 | tensai | I've been to a VA hospital. not for myself, but with family. |
| 00:07.21 | harleypig | They've lost a number of friends because they didn't get the attention they needed in time. |
| 00:08.19 | harleypig | I don't really want an administration that can't handle the relatively small number of veterans that need to be treated handle the care of millions. |
| 00:09.06 | Nafai | harleypig: very apropros, gives me food for thought |
| 00:09.23 | Nafai | harleypig: the link, that is |
| 00:09.42 | harleypig | Nafai: Glad to be of some nutritious content. |
| 00:09.50 | tensai | harleypig: my one experience wasn't very positive either. the quality of care I saw was less than I expected. |
| 00:10.03 | Nafai | harleypig: re the VA, is that because of mismanagement, or lack of funding or both? |
| 00:10.30 | Nafai | You'd think since we are funding so much military, money should be going to the VA since there are so many veterans with issues coming home from the wars |
| 00:10.36 | harleypig | Nafai: I think both. |
| 00:10.48 | tensai | here's my main complaint, people will dismiss the idea of a public option, or a single payer, or a England/VA style system just on ideological grounds |
| 00:11.04 | tensai | if it works, let's do it. if it doesn't, let's not. why can't we be scientific about this? |
| 00:11.21 | harleypig | tensai: I dismiss most government involvement based on ideological grounds. |
| 00:11.31 | Nafai | I saw a truck on the road today with a Purple Heart license plate. I assumed it would be an old guy from like the Vietnam era. Nope. It was a guy that looked my age. Kind of made me do a double take. |
| 00:11.41 | unum | that's a great essay by graham |
| 00:11.46 | harleypig | I don't think that anarchism is the way to go, but I certainly think government should be minimalist at best. |
| 00:12.13 | Nafai | tensai: part of the problem with that is people are getting misinformation (either on one side or the other) of the effectiveness of such systems in other countries. |
| 00:12.26 | tensai | Nafai: completely agree |
| 00:12.29 | Nafai | tensai: so everyone has "data" to back their point up and won't believe what the other says |
| 00:13.01 | unum | the current bill is not pushing for government ran hospitals, like the va or tri-care |
| 00:13.03 | harleypig | I don't think comparisons should be made to other countries, just like people shouldn't compare themselves to others ... |
| 00:13.15 | unum | hospitals will still be privately owned and operated |
| 00:13.48 | unum | harleypig: when I was in high school I looked at how much other people were making in their careers to decide what I wanted to do |
| 00:13.53 | unum | I guess I shouldn't have done that |
| 00:13.56 | harleypig | We might look at what other countries are doing and cherry pick what we think might be successful, but ignore any kind of numbers which can be tortured into saying whatever is desired. |
| 00:14.09 | harleypig | unum: :> probably not |
| 00:14.21 | harleypig | especially since those numbers have undoubtedly changed |
| 00:15.21 | harleypig | unum: missed the privately owned and operated line ... that doesn't prevent the government from telling them how to run their business and enforcing it. |
| 00:16.24 | unum | but we've accepted the government doing that in all parts of our lives for a long time and for a good reason |
| 00:16.37 | unum | I can't take the time to inspect beef processing plants |
| 00:16.50 | unum | I can't check my children's toys for lead |
| 00:16.56 | tensai | unum: neither can the USDA :S |
| 00:17.00 | unum | I can't inspect the airplane before I get on it |
| 00:17.05 | harleypig | unum: I agree with the 'we' in the general, sheeple, sense. I disagree with the 'good reason'. |
| 00:17.31 | harleypig | s/can't/won't/ |
| 00:17.38 | unum | harleypig: you are in the minority, that's why there isn't a single libertarian in federal office |
| 00:17.53 | unum | I don't have the qualifications |
| 00:17.58 | unum | I don't know what to look for |
| 00:18.03 | harleypig | unum: right ... as a society we cater to the lowest common denominator, which keeps getting lower. |
| 00:18.12 | harleypig | You can learn. |
| 00:18.16 | unum | I disagree |
| 00:18.25 | harleypig | Yoiu don't have to be an expert. |
| 00:18.29 | unum | I think our government is less corrupt and serves us better than ever before |
| 00:18.35 | unum | I do have to be an expert |
| 00:18.48 | harleypig | why? |
| 00:18.54 | unum | otherwise I won't know what to look for, that's the definition of expert |
| 00:18.59 | harleypig | bullshit |
| 00:19.33 | harleypig | I'm not an expert, but I know that if I see mold growing on the walls of a processing company, it ain't good. |
| 00:20.07 | harleypig | http://www.answers.com/topic/expert |
| 00:20.54 | harleypig | You don't have to know the species or what type of mold it is ... just that it's not a good thing. |
| 00:21.39 | unum | bacteria is often used in creating certain types of foods. I would need to know which ones should be in my food and which ones should not |
| 00:21.56 | unum | plus I don't have time to fly omaha or where ever my food is made to inspect |
| 00:22.04 | unum | i rather a bunch of just hired someone.... |
| 00:22.06 | unum | oh wait |
| 00:22.21 | unum | people pooling their money to hire a service done |
| 00:22.22 | harleypig | hyperbole does your arguments no good |
| 00:22.24 | unum | darn that's socialism |
| 00:23.28 | harleypig | hmmm I thought sarcasm was included in the definition of hyperbole, but it's not, so ... |
| 00:23.40 | harleypig | sarcastic hyperbole does your arguments even less good. |
| 00:23.48 | harleypig | How's them for bad english?! :> |
| 00:24.07 | harleypig | Bad enough to make sinuhe's system die! |
| 00:25.24 | tensai | harleypig: you killed kenny! |
| 00:25.41 | harleypig | Join me tomorrow for breakfast of long pig! |
| 00:28.32 | harleypig | goes back to work. |
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| 02:02.08 | harleypig | "If you say 'I do' be the ugly one" |
| 02:03.15 | harleypig | "If you've been married nine times it just might be you" |
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| 03:39.14 | tristanbob_AdIRC | I'm testing icechat, adirc, and quassel. anyone use those? |
| 03:39.20 | tristanbob_AdIRC | this is for windows 7 |
| 03:40.11 | tristanbob_AdIRC | xchat2 was horrible on windows 7 |
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| 03:43.05 | dan_zero | Is firechat an IRC for windows? |
| 03:43.16 | dan_zero | I don't use windows but it seemed like something I used back int he day |
| 03:43.25 | dan_zero | though I liked xchat back when I used XP |
| 03:44.02 | dan_zero | I've b |
| 03:44.17 | dan_zero | man, I've been struggling with this RAID for over a week, it keeps crapping out on me |
| 03:48.44 | sojourner | anyone ever hear of this, and know how it relates to "The UNIX Programming Environment": |
| 03:48.46 | sojourner | "UNIX System V/386 Release 3.2 Programmer's Guide" |
| 03:49.09 | sojourner | i've got a Volume 1 and II and a User's Guide |
| 03:49.40 | sojourner | published in 1988 and labeled with "AT&T" inside |
| 03:49.49 | sojourner | but no author's mentioned |
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| 03:51.10 | dan_zero | sojourner: I don't know but it doesn't sound particularly useful at this pointâ¦. Does it have an sku? |
| 03:51.27 | sojourner | nope |
| 03:51.31 | sojourner | no isbn either |
| 03:51.59 | sojourner | i don't have a coy of The UNIX Programming Environment to compare it to |
| 03:52.01 | dan_zero | bummer, if you have the android amazon app you can take a picture of it and they'll try to find it but I doubt it'll work with this apparently obscure piece |
| 03:52.38 | sojourner | obscure publisher too, actually: Interactive Product Family, a Kodak Company |
| 03:52.58 | ldav15 | Well there's "Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment" by Stevens |
| 03:53.03 | sojourner | dug it up while cleaning out the warehouse at work |
| 03:53.46 | dan_zero | It sounds super interesting, I would read the whole thing back to back. Take notes and come back and report! |
| 03:54.54 | sojourner | thumbing through it, it looks like it has good broad coverage of all the UNIX standby utilities |
| 03:55.21 | sojourner | as well as c programming, signal handling, and i/o |
| 03:55.27 | sojourner | but certainly dated |
| 03:55.58 | dan_zero | Does it have instructions on how to properly care for punch cards? |
| 03:56.12 | sojourner | scotch tape |
| 03:56.36 | dan_zero | hah |
| 03:57.53 | sojourner | i'll have to bring them home and take good care of 'em |
| 04:12.13 | dan_zero | Any of you guys have experience with mdadm RAIDs? My RAID 5 keeps crashing... |
| 04:13.37 | sojourner | dan_zero: a little |
| 04:13.53 | sojourner | what do your logs show? |
| 04:14.36 | dan_zero | I actually didn't check, I used mdadm -E and /proc/mdstat to look through. Basically they flagged blocks as bad |
| 04:15.08 | dan_zero | so I checked the drives using smartctl and they appear to be functioning properly |
| 04:16.01 | sojourner | new drives? |
| 04:16.25 | dan_zero | one is, the two it's marking were running in a striped array for a year without any problems |
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| 04:16.37 | dan_zero | it would be strange for both drives to go back because I reformated them |
| 04:19.42 | sojourner | are all three drives identical? |
| 04:20.00 | dan_zero | they're all 1.5 TB two of them are teh same WD model and one is a samsung |
| 04:20.21 | sojourner | and how big are the caches on each? |
| 04:20.41 | dan_zero | oh uhhâ¦Im not sure, is there a way to check that? |
| 04:20.58 | sojourner | dmesg might show it |
| 04:22.11 | sojourner | otherwise: sudo hdparm -i /dev/sdX |
| 04:23.10 | sojourner | i'm suspecting drive cache differences between the samsung and the wd drives |
| 04:23.23 | levi | sojourner: That's probably a manual, not a regular book. Operating Systems actually came with manuals back then. ;) |
| 04:23.32 | sojourner | is the samsung drive 0 in the array? |
| 04:23.56 | sojourner | levi: could be, the company used to do SysV programming on x86 |
| 04:24.28 | sojourner | i even have a binary copy of BSDi :D |
| 04:24.35 | dan_zero | hmmâ¦mdparm -i showed identical stats on the three drives, but it didn't show cache |
| 04:25.16 | sojourner | dan_zero: look for something like this: BuffSize=16384kB |
| 04:25.19 | dan_zero | I think the samsung drive is the third one.. |
| 04:25.35 | dan_zero | sudo hdparm /dev/sdc |
| 04:25.35 | dan_zero | /dev/sdc: |
| 04:25.35 | dan_zero | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.35 | dan_zero | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.35 | dan_zero | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.37 | dan_zero | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.39 | dan_zero | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.51 | dan_zero | oh wait, Im missing -i |
| 04:26.22 | levi | SVR3.2 is ancient. :) |
| 04:26.30 | sojourner | yep |
| 04:26.53 | sojourner | good books to have for the coffee table ;) |
| 04:27.29 | levi | My earliest UNIX book covers SVR4 |
| 04:27.31 | dan_zero | http://pastebin.com/m1d57387e The WD drives show a BuffSize of 0 while the Samsung shows a BuffSize of 32767kB |
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| 04:29.28 | sojourner | hdparm probably just can't read it, but those are Seagate drives, not WD |
| 04:29.42 | dan_zero | lol, good call |
| 04:30.41 | sojourner | looks like they are the same cache size as the Seagate: |
| 04:30.42 | sojourner | http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=511a8cf6a794b110VgnVCM100000f5ee0a0aRCRD |
| 04:30.52 | sojourner | sorry, the Samsung |
| 04:33.03 | dan_zero | hmm, do you think the drives won't work together becuase they're a little different |
| 04:33.04 | dan_zero | ? |
| 04:33.08 | sojourner | i've seen raid problems with drive caches in the past, but not specifically with linux software raid |
| 04:33.31 | sojourner | no, i've got a raid set up using one different drive |
| 04:33.44 | dan_zero | plus with a RAID 5 the parity is distributed so it shouldn't matter right? |
| 04:33.48 | sojourner | and it works fine |
| 04:34.11 | sojourner | shouldn't |
| 04:34.20 | dan_zero | maybe I should star over from scratch |
| 04:34.24 | sojourner | what filesystem are they formatted as? |
| 04:34.32 | sojourner | i'm using XFS on mine |
| 04:34.38 | dan_zero | ext3 |
| 04:34.49 | dan_zero | I followed these instructions http://sonniesedge.co.uk/?p=80 |
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| 04:36.22 | sojourner | should have worked fine |
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| 04:36.35 | brac | [PetiteMarion.com - Bienvenue sur mon site de jeune étudiante parisienne coquine ! ;)] |
| 04:37.00 | sojourner | my raid array went from using the old 2.4 raidtools to mdadm when i upgraded to 2.6 |
| 04:37.35 | sojourner | and only just recently lost one drive and replaced it using an unmatched drive |
| 04:38.07 | dan_zero | well, at this point Ive tried everything I could think of, starting over from scratch sounds like a decent option |
| 04:38.22 | sojourner | is there any consistency as to when it reports the failures? like, after a reboot? |
| 04:38.33 | dan_zero | no, it will drop a drive while files are being read |
| 04:38.38 | sojourner | nice |
| 04:38.45 | sojourner | check your cables |
| 04:38.49 | dan_zero | and it will keep running until the 2nd drive drops |
| 04:39.00 | sojourner | i've seen bad SATA cables do just that |
| 04:39.05 | dan_zero | really? wow |
| 04:39.08 | sojourner | not on raid though |
| 04:39.41 | sojourner | the cables weren't "snug" |
| 04:41.23 | sojourner | does your system have adequate cooling? |
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| 04:41.38 | sojourner | overheated drives will do that too |
| 04:41.50 | blendmaster1024 | they will??? |
| 04:41.56 | blendmaster1024 | sorry :S :) |
| 04:41.56 | sojourner | and some of those Seagate drives get pretty hot |
| 04:42.10 | blendmaster1024 | maybe i should date one |
| 04:42.16 | sojourner | blendmaster1024: yeah, who'da thunk it? |
| 04:42.38 | blendmaster1024 | xD i love irc. what are you peoples really talking abouts? |
| 04:42.53 | dan_zero | RAID's |
| 04:43.00 | sojourner | all the things hard drives do in the closet |
| 04:43.00 | dan_zero | actually there is a mitigating factor I didn't mention |
| 04:43.08 | dan_zero | and out |
| 04:43.59 | blendmaster1024 | RAIDs |
| 04:44.05 | dan_zero | one of the drives has a broken SATA connector, part of the cable connection broke off in the plug and it's beenr unning for a year like that. It fell out again while I was putting in the new drives I and electrical taped it |
| 04:44.19 | dan_zero | you know a computer project is on the wrong track when electrical tape has to get involved |
| 04:44.34 | blendmaster1024 | nor RAID's - that means 'something that RAID owns', as opposed to 'Plural of RAID' |
| 04:44.48 | blendmaster1024 | not* |
| 04:44.55 | dan_zero | sorry, RAID's failing drives* :p |
| 04:45.03 | sojourner | yeah, you should have used duct tape :D |
| 04:45.05 | blendmaster1024 | ownership again. |
| 04:45.19 | blendmaster1024 | dan_zero, it's RAIDs not RAID's |
| 04:45.21 | dan_zero | yeah, my RAID's drives are failing |
| 04:45.29 | blendmaster1024 | ok, now *that* works. |
| 04:45.39 | dan_zero | :) |
| 04:45.43 | blendmaster1024 | is feeling picky |
| 04:45.58 | sojourner | blendmaster1024: grammar nazi |
| 04:45.58 | blendmaster1024 | eats a pickle |
| 04:46.01 | dan_zero | you are right that the first time I did make a typo |
| 04:46.04 | blendmaster1024 | yep |
| 04:46.04 | dan_zero | goodwins law ftw |
| 04:46.17 | sojourner | ;) |
| 04:46.19 | blendmaster1024 | shoots sojourner with his submachine gun |
| 04:46.21 | dan_zero | did you catch that!? goodwins law mwhhahaahhaa |
| 04:46.46 | blendmaster1024 | ewww ickly ickly http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091111094923390 |
| 04:47.15 | dan_zero | So anyway, the bad connector could explain one drive going bad but the chances of the other drive being marked bad because of a cable would be pretty low don't you think? |
| 04:47.35 | blendmaster1024 | yeah |
| 04:48.06 | blendmaster1024 | which SATA? Serial ATA or Super ATA? |
| 04:48.11 | dan_zero | serial |
| 04:48.31 | blendmaster1024 | i would never use serial, it seems to be much slower than super |
| 04:48.41 | dan_zero | and the chances that the problem is a bad connection when I've transfered 1TB onto this 3 TB array seems really low right? |
| 04:48.51 | blendmaster1024 | hmm..... |
| 04:49.20 | dan_zero | I have no idea what super ata is... |
| 04:49.24 | blendmaster1024 | i would just blame it on them both and get both a new cable and a new drive |
| 04:49.50 | sojourner | dan_zero: the connector is broken at the motherboard? |
| 04:49.56 | levi | Super ATA must be a figment of blendmaster1024's imagination. |
| 04:50.14 | dan_zero | sojourner: no, its broken on the hard drive |
| 04:50.33 | sojourner | levi: i think in his case it's "pigment" |
| 04:50.43 | levi | sojourner: What color? |
| 04:50.56 | sojourner | levi: paisley |
| 04:50.57 | blendmaster1024 | oh lol it's parallel ata but with 80 conductors instead of 40, even though only 40 of them are connected to the connectors, and the extra 40 are for insulation, so that faster speeds can be negotiated without RF interference |
| 04:51.02 | dan_zero | sojourner: why must we bring race into everthing |
| 04:51.20 | sojourner | dan_zero: ink |
| 04:51.32 | blendmaster1024 | don't get me started on the black holes debate |
| 04:52.09 | dan_zero | blendmaster1024: So super ata is a bigger pata? That sounds worse than serial ata |
| 04:52.27 | levi | Um, that's not 'Super ATA'. |
| 04:52.51 | blendmaster1024 | dan_zero, not bigger. just more conducters squished into the same space. and levi, that's what it's called. |
| 04:52.59 | levi | No, it's not called Super ATA. |
| 04:53.03 | dan_zero | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=super+ata&go=Go can't find anything on it... |
| 04:53.06 | levi | Where's you come up with that? |
| 04:53.34 | levi | 80-wire cables coincided with the introduction of UDMA. |
| 04:53.38 | blendmaster1024 | levi, uhm, i have a cable lables that, many cables labled that |
| 04:53.45 | blendmaster1024 | levi, not suprising |
| 04:54.03 | dan_zero | blendmaster1024: pics or it didnt' happen |
| 04:54.17 | dan_zero | blendmaster1024: but if you do have pics, then I call SHOPPED! |
| 04:54.45 | levi | Maybe someone decided it would be cute to label their cables 'Super ATA', but there's no such standard. |
| 04:55.27 | dan_zero | levi: Maybe they use them in kryptonian computers |
| 04:55.28 | sojourner | foxxcon |
| 04:56.06 | levi | SATA only means Serial ATA. Your fictional 'Super ATA' is only likely to cause confusion. |
| 04:56.16 | levi | Standards are confusing enough as it is. |
| 04:56.27 | blendmaster1024 | levi, it's not a standard, it's a kind of cable that makes pata faster |
| 04:56.58 | dan_zero | its just a cable? The connector is the same? |
| 04:57.04 | sojourner | dan_zero: here's what i have in mind for the "pigment" mentioned above: http://www.royblakeley.name/larry_blakeley/songs/cream_disraeli_gears-front.jpg |
| 04:57.20 | blendmaster1024 | dan_zero, correct |
| 04:57.23 | levi | No, it's NOT ANYTHING but, apparently, a stupid bunch of ink on your cables. Please stop using the term Super ATA. |
| 04:57.45 | blendmaster1024 | levi, i refuse. i will continue to evangelize the amazing super ata |
| 04:57.47 | levi | Call them UDMA cables or 80-wire cables. |
| 04:57.58 | sojourner | or outdated |
| 04:58.01 | dan_zero | sojourner: yikes, I think you just gave me acid |
| 04:58.08 | dan_zero | zing |
| 04:58.11 | sojourner | is showing his age |
| 04:58.17 | levi | No one is using PATA anymore, anyway. |
| 04:58.19 | blendmaster1024 | hmm. outdated. nice name. i want something newer :( |
| 04:59.47 | sojourner | dan_zero: so, back on the raid question: i'd definitely suspect the connector on that one |
| 05:00.54 | dan_zero | sojourner: I have to drives with failed flags, I mean, the chances of both happening are pretty weak right? I kinda thought when one drive dropped that it was tat drive but then the other one went 12 hours later |
| 05:01.26 | sojourner | i suspect the second is incidental, while you are copying data |
| 05:01.55 | dan_zero | what do you mean? like a coincidence? |
| 05:02.01 | sojourner | more or less |
| 05:02.07 | levi | SATA is faster, by far, than any of the old PATA standards. In fact, I don't think there's a single way in which PATA is actually better than SATA. |
| 05:02.15 | sojourner | you should be able to run with two drives after a failure |
| 05:02.44 | sojourner | but if one fails while you are copying bucket loads of data, i suspect you'll see apparent problems on another |
| 05:03.25 | sojourner | levi: these days PATA drives make better paper weights |
| 05:03.34 | dan_zero | hmmâ¦well, I can't afford a new drive right nowâ¦should I run it striped ? |
| 05:04.07 | sojourner | might as well, you will probably be fighting it continually otherwise |
| 05:04.25 | dan_zero | hmm.. |
| 05:04.52 | sojourner | i guess any pieces that broke off are long gone by now? |
| 05:05.11 | dan_zero | no, they're all there |
| 05:05.23 | dan_zero | I ran a long r/w test on the drive too without any problems |
| 05:05.23 | sojourner | just cracked? |
| 05:05.38 | sojourner | hmm |
| 05:05.50 | dan_zero | well the inside the cable side connector like split off in the hd port |
| 05:06.04 | dan_zero | it's run for a year like that |
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| 05:07.06 | sojourner | open the case and check how hot the drives are |
| 05:07.47 | dan_zero | good idea |
| 05:07.48 | sojourner | and see if there is air flow between them and through the case |
| 05:08.30 | dan_zero | urg, what a pain â¦wish I could afford a drobo |
| 05:08.44 | sojourner | i used to use an external enclosure that did not have a fan, whenever i swapped out drives with a some models of Seagate drives, they would overheat and fail |
| 05:09.09 | sojourner | but not permanently |
| 05:09.27 | sojourner | providing adequate cooling is best |
| 05:09.50 | sojourner | the newer Seagate drives have a *much* cooler operating temperature |
| 05:12.35 | dan_zero | well, I can't get to the computer until tomorrow, Ill rebuild it for now from scratch and then check on it |
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| 05:18.38 | dan_zero | Should I use ext3 or should I try ext4 ? |
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| 05:26.41 | dan_zero | hmm, I went to create and it couldn't open one of the drives...weird |
| 05:32.08 | dan_zero | mdadm: layout defaults to left-symmetric |
| 05:32.08 | dan_zero | mdadm: chunk size defaults to 64K |
| 05:32.08 | dan_zero | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy |
| 05:32.08 | dan_zero | mdadm: /dev/sdc1 appears to be part of a raid array: |
| 05:32.08 | dan_zero | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.08 | dan_zero | mdadm: /dev/sdd1 appears to contain an ext2fs file system |
| 05:32.10 | dan_zero | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.12 | dan_zero | mdadm: /dev/sdd1 appears to be part of a raid array: |
| 05:32.14 | dan_zero | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.16 | dan_zero | mdadm: create aborted |
| 05:32.18 | dan_zero | Thats a whole mess of suck |
| 05:32.23 | dan_zero | unreadable device supports the bad connector theory... |
| 05:33.51 | dan_zero | alright, I dropped that drive, I think it really is going bad so Im making a raid 0 |
| 05:50.13 | dan_zero | hmm, yup, well restoring the backup will take 8 hoursâ¦so...later |
| 05:50.20 | dan_zero | thanks again for the help |
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| 10:03.33 | Supaplex | so that was fun. note to self. upgrading resolver library to new branch of debian might break stuff. (running irssi didn't know how to cope). I guess I could have tried that nifty in place migrate/restart/upgrade feature. |
| 10:49.12 | Sargun | Supaplex, hey |
| 10:49.17 | Sargun | long time no see |
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| 20:29.23 | findlay | does anybody know how to get irssii to use $http_proxy? |
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| 20:31.19 | findlay | or even irssi? |
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| 20:35.14 | goozbach | nope |
| 20:37.10 | Supaplex | why would irc use http to proxy? |
| 20:37.28 | Supaplex | neverminding all the broken http proxies that permit the world to borrow theirs... |
| 20:38.30 | Sargun | hehe |
| 20:45.06 | torriem | some irc clients can use proxies via http protocol. You'd have to have a proxy that knew what to do with it though. There's also socks |
| 20:45.25 | torriem | irc is blocked on a lot of ISPs |
| 20:45.45 | torriem | (well corporate lans, etc anyway) |
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