| 00:07.09 | Sargun | ~chart mormons |
| 00:07.16 | Sargun | ~chat mormons |
| 00:07.18 | Sargun | -chat mormons |
| 00:07.18 | brac | mormons did |
| 00:11.53 | Sargun | -chat mormons did |
| 00:11.53 | brac | mormons did |
| 00:11.55 | sjansen | -chat Sargun failed |
| 00:11.55 | brac | Sargun failed |
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| 01:38.21 | Nafai | The meet is at 7:30, right? |
| 01:38.25 | Nafai | meeting, even |
| 01:39.27 | levi | Yes. |
| 01:39.42 | levi | That's what the email said, anyway. :) |
| 01:40.01 | Nafai | ok |
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| 02:37.23 | Nafai | ok I'm lost |
| 02:37.59 | Nafai | I'm at omniture but am unsure where the meeting is |
| 02:38.09 | Nafai | which building etc |
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| 02:38.38 | Nafai | help :) |
| 02:48.48 | Nafai | Found it :) |
| 02:50.06 | sontek | :o |
| 02:50.16 | sontek | I forgot about meeting |
| 02:50.18 | sontek | I want to be there |
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| 07:30.53 | broken_puppy | herlo, I'm a bad person. |
| 07:31.08 | broken_puppy | Gundy here. |
| 07:31.17 | Nafai | poor broken_puppy :( |
| 07:31.45 | broken_puppy | OpenClue has been save from the big bad paring lot of GoDaddy. |
| 07:32.05 | broken_puppy | Let me know what NS servers you want and I'll send them your way. |
| 07:32.12 | sontek | haha yeah, that was an infinite loop of death |
| 07:32.42 | broken_puppy | Nafai, I get that I lot. Thanks for the sympathy. |
| 07:36.54 | Nafai | :) |
| 07:38.41 | broken_puppy | Alright kids, I'm off to write my first Android app. |
| 07:40.39 | levi | I'm still installing the SDK |
| 07:42.34 | sontek | I wish ASE was better on android |
| 07:42.55 | sontek | Python + Android is much nicer :) |
| 07:43.12 | levi | ASE? |
| 07:43.35 | sontek | levi: android scripting environment |
| 07:43.47 | sontek | it allows you to use python, ruby, etc to write apps instead of java |
| 07:43.54 | levi | Interesting. |
| 07:44.21 | levi | You can also use Scala to write apps, and without using a scripting layer. |
| 07:44.50 | sontek | levi: really? |
| 07:45.20 | sontek | That'd probably be good enough :) |
| 07:45.29 | levi | Yeah, Nafai has a Hello World Android app written in Scala on his laptop that he showed me tonight. |
| 07:46.13 | sontek | Nafai is so crafty |
| 07:46.37 | Nafai | Yup |
| 07:47.05 | Nafai | Basically you can use any JVM language that will compile to .class files |
| 07:47.40 | Nafai | because the dalvik compiler will tranform .class files to .dex files (dalvik bytecode) |
| 07:47.54 | Nafai | So far the only one that has worked satisfactorily for me so far is Scala |
| 07:47.59 | Nafai | Clojure produced code that was too slow |
| 07:48.30 | levi | This isn't surprising, considering the nature of Scala vs. the nature of Clojure. |
| 07:51.30 | Nafai | yeah |
| 07:51.42 | sontek | Nafai: the scala app compiles down small enough to be usable on the phone? |
| 07:52.12 | Nafai | one of my guesses is that the dalvik vm might be slow at instantiating new classes. Clojure makes a class for each function. Scala is a lot more like Java in this regard. |
| 07:52.42 | Nafai | sontek: So it is rather large in comparison to other applications. But I also have seen a blog post that uses a post-processing mechanism to remove the classes that aren't needed |
| 07:52.55 | Nafai | The problem being that you are bundling the entire scala runtime and library code with it too |
| 07:53.30 | Nafai | It's usable, but I know people would complain if I put an app this large in the android market, so I need to explore the tree shaker thingy |
| 07:54.33 | sontek | Especially for people who don't have apps2sd |
| 07:54.54 | sontek | It'd be nice if you could only ship the libs you use |
| 07:55.21 | Nafai | Yeah |
| 07:55.30 | Nafai | Yay for apps2sd |
| 08:05.43 | levi | VMWare player 3 is nice. |
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| 08:47.42 | levi | Yay, I figured out how to get my VPN to the office working in Linux. |
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| 18:46.17 | Nafai | glen's presentation last night was great |
| 18:54.07 | Jayce^ | it was, almost makes me interested in re-learning java... but then reality kicks in :) |
| 18:54.20 | Nafai | heh |
| 18:54.35 | Nafai | I'm learning Scala so I don't have to use Java |
| 18:55.01 | Nafai | I paid my penance for 3 years with Java |
| 18:55.07 | Nafai | Though I may have to return to that :( |
| 19:01.25 | fozzmoo | :( |
| 19:02.01 | Jayce^ | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=27240&tag=nl.e539 |
| 19:02.11 | Jayce^ | that's some serious cash *fast* |
| 19:02.41 | fozzmoo | yes, sir. |
| 19:02.56 | Nafai | wow |
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| 19:07.33 | RyanE | Jayce^: my hope is that you don't need to get so heavy into Java when you're writing mobile apps. |
| 19:07.49 | RyanE | especially distasteful in Java is anything 'enterprisey'. |
| 19:08.04 | JoshH | i'd rather work at taco bell then do java work |
| 19:08.06 | JoshH | almost |
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| 19:08.23 | RyanE | JoshH: I'd agree, for 'enterprise' apps. |
| 19:08.31 | RyanE | I haven't done Java for over 10 years, but for Android, I'm considering it. |
| 19:08.39 | fozzmoo | Android is Java? |
| 19:08.40 | fozzmoo | Ewwww. |
| 19:08.47 | fozzmoo | Bummer. |
| 19:08.49 | RyanE | Yep. |
| 19:08.53 | JoshH | java is fine for phones |
| 19:08.59 | fozzmoo | webOS FTW. |
| 19:09.01 | JoshH | horrible for every web app i've had to help people with |
| 19:09.02 | RyanE | But it doesn't look all that bad, in this case. |
| 19:10.22 | RyanE | I'm as big of a Java hater as nearly anyone, but Android is very intriguing. Maybe I can write a Lua to Dalvik VM compiler, and not have to use Java... :) |
| 19:12.46 | fozzmoo | My "beef" with Java is that there are often so many files involved you *have* to use an IDE to track them all. |
| 19:13.10 | Nafai | fozzmoo: But at least with doing Android development it is so much lighter-weight than any other style of development |
| 19:13.13 | fozzmoo | That one of my beefs |
| 19:13.14 | RyanE | Yeah, that's the 'enterprisey' parts. I don't think that necessarily applies here. |
| 19:13.17 | Nafai | Not all of these huge annoying frameworks and stuff |
| 19:13.22 | fozzmoo | That's cool. |
| 19:13.44 | fozzmoo | There are webOS plugins for Eclipse, but I don't think there's a compelling reason to use them unless you're just used to using Eclipse. |
| 19:13.54 | fozzmoo | The apps are all written in HTML/CSS/JS |
| 19:14.41 | RyanE | I suspect the Android phones also like have a pretty good browser, so you could probably write HTML/CSS/JS apps, as long as you weren't doing native Android things, like replacing the dialer. |
| 19:15.00 | fozzmoo | Fark headline: Sudo make me a patent. |
| 19:15.12 | RyanE | Good thing I saw Glen's presentation at UTOSC, I had to leave last night with a coughing fit. |
| 19:15.38 | Nafai | RyanE: True, but there are also libraries/frameworks like Phone Gap that allow you to use HTML5/CSS/JS to write apps and you have access to some of the native stuff (acceleromater, etc) |
| 19:16.08 | fozzmoo | I'm looking forward to doing databases in webOS (HTML5, SQLite) |
| 19:17.00 | fozzmoo | That being said, if this third Pre craps out on me anytime soon, I'll be getting an Android phone. |
| 19:17.50 | RyanE | Nafai: cool. Didn't know about that. My question is, does a phone being Android force it to use a certain browser as well? |
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| 19:19.28 | goozbach | RyanE: there are many different browsers for andriod |
| 19:19.34 | goozbach | my favorite is Steel |
| 19:19.38 | goozbach | you can also get opera |
| 19:21.15 | tensai | can I get IE 5 for the Mac ported to Android? |
| 19:21.45 | goozbach | tensai: only the powerpc version |
| 19:21.54 | goozbach | and only if you have a 7TB sdcard |
| 19:23.25 | tensai | I'd love to get an android phone and dump this shoddy windows mobile turd |
| 19:23.43 | goozbach | what's stopping you? |
| 19:25.13 | tensai | it's a company phone |
| 19:25.36 | unum | I like my droid |
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| 19:52.42 | unum | our IT manager looked at my phone today. now he wants to ditch the company sprint plan and get a droid |
| 19:52.51 | unum | I think he really like the ssh client |
| 19:57.14 | unum | goozbach: you're right steel is nice |
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| 23:02.41 | tensai | funny misspelling of the day. rogue => rouge. |
| 23:04.33 | levi | Going Rouge, Sarah Palin's story of her descent into the world of cabaret dancing. |
| 23:12.44 | jshipley | levi: That's probably the cleverest use of rogue/rouge that I've ever seen |
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