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| 00:10.10 | elg | "A testimony is just that, a test" |
| 00:10.21 | elg | s/imony/icle/ |
| 00:10.50 | elg | take that, "testimony by wordplay" |
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| 14:43.38 | blendmaster1024 | ~seen leif |
| 14:43.40 | ibot | leif <i=180ac1e1@gateway/web/freenode/x-uhogsyzilfeuqcio> was last seen on IRC in channel #utos, 14d 11h 31m 47s ago, saying: 'What do you think of Blender's Video editer?'. |
| 14:43.52 | blendmaster1024 | hasn't been on since that one... |
| 14:44.09 | blendmaster1024 | ~seen haven489 |
| 14:44.09 | ibot | blendmaster1024: i haven't seen 'haven489' |
| 14:45.55 | blendmaster1024 | hmm :( |
| 14:48.26 | blendmaster1024 | is mr rikers the only one with permission set to be able to tell ibot to join or chanadd? i want him in #blenderutah |
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| 16:42.23 | goozbach | google has made me stupid |
| 16:42.43 | goozbach | I used to have the method for stripping HTML tags out of a stream of text via sed memorized |
| 16:42.46 | goozbach | not anymore |
| 16:42.56 | goozbach | now I just google it |
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| 16:47.41 | tristanbob | http://imagination.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:47.42 | brac | [Imagination, a lightweight and simple DVD Slideshow Maker] |
| 16:48.05 | tristanbob | this looks like the open source slideshow creator that we have all been looking for.... |
| 16:48.15 | goozbach | we've all been looking for it? |
| 16:49.06 | ^Migs^ | I certainly have |
| 16:51.30 | tristanbob | and fozzmoo, tensai, herlo, others |
| 16:52.30 | tensai | I thought I was looking for two droids |
| 16:54.18 | goozbach | tensai: those weren't the droids he was looking for turns out |
| 16:54.51 | tensai | heads to mos eisley for a brew |
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| 16:55.19 | tristanbob | hums the cantina song! |
| 16:55.36 | tristanbob | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMOhsvhF4Jw |
| 16:58.38 | sjansen | Where have you been all my life, pyparsing? |
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| 17:59.44 | mulicheng | ~fix freenode server |
| 17:59.45 | ibot | ACTION opens the hood of freenode server , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." |
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| 18:07.44 | elg | favorite dns registrar? |
| 18:07.57 | elg | all i need is registration at a decent price. |
| 18:08.59 | unum | xmission |
| 18:09.19 | levi | Don't really have a favorite, but I'm using GoDaddy because it was cheap when I signed up and never felt like transferring. |
| 18:09.25 | levi | They're kind of obnoxious, though. |
| 18:09.28 | unum | ya |
| 18:09.34 | unum | I've been meaning to transfer |
| 18:09.46 | goozbach | elg: domains875.com |
| 18:10.24 | levi | sjansen: How's your learning of emacs going? |
| 18:10.25 | elg | you use them goozbach ? |
| 18:11.27 | goozbach | elg: yup |
| 18:11.32 | goozbach | all my domains |
| 18:11.39 | goozbach | dirt cheap, and decent |
| 18:12.48 | elg | except that their webpage doesn't work |
| 18:14.02 | goozbach | hmm |
| 18:14.37 | elg | i found the backdoor |
| 18:14.44 | elg | -chat |
| 18:14.44 | brac | and I go the "mother ship" |
| 18:15.10 | goozbach | define "doesn't work" |
| 18:15.19 | elg | that domain search box on the front page doesn't work |
| 18:15.27 | elg | the go button does nothing, and hitting enter just reloads the page |
| 18:16.11 | goozbach | hmm |
| 18:16.19 | goozbach | I've not used their new page yet |
| 18:16.30 | goozbach | my auto-renewal just goes through |
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| 18:45.24 | harleypig | substitutiary locomotion |
| 18:46.26 | jsmith | harleypig: Does that mean you're not driving a suburban any more? |
| 18:47.10 | harleypig | is being carried around on the bottom half of a suit of armor |
| 18:47.35 | goozbach | nice |
| 18:49.21 | harleypig | wow ... that has its own entry in wikipedia ... |
| 18:49.41 | sjansen | levi: emacs is going okay, although its crappy font handling it annoying |
| 18:50.13 | harleypig | emacs and crappy are supposed to go together in the same sentence |
| 18:55.35 | levi | sjansen: Yes, the font handling is bad, but I think they're working on improving it. |
| 18:57.18 | sinuhe | levi: I think it is their current attempt to improve it that he is complaining about, but I imagine it will get better. |
| 18:58.15 | jshipley | IIRC, emacs doesn't support unicode, although it does have it's own wide character support that was implemented before unicode existed |
| 18:58.41 | jshipley | the font handling might be similar to that -- their system was in place before newer, better systems existed :) |
| 18:59.12 | sinuhe | jshipley: I have found Emacs' unicode support to quite suitable, especially with 23.1. |
| 19:00.48 | sinuhe | s/to/to be/ |
| 19:11.25 | jshipley | It looks like it's been getting a lot better. I'm pretty sure I was using some version of 22.x when I was having unicode issues with emacs, but it could have been 21.1. |
| 19:14.08 | jshipley | I've recently quit using emacs, but that's mostly because a lot of the text editing I'm doing right now is on remote servers that don't have and probably won't ever have emacs installed on them. |
| 19:14.43 | levi | As long as they have ssh installed, you can still edit them with emacs. |
| 19:16.32 | levi | Tramp mode FTW. |
| 19:16.58 | sinuhe | I'm not tied to any one particular editor. I have found I like (n)vi, elvis, vim, ed (in its BSD, Plan9, and GNU forms), emacs, sam, acme, nano, gedit, kedit, gnotepad+ (not defunct), and so on. |
| 19:18.04 | JoshH | i only "like" vim, but could use pretty much anything i had to in a pinch |
| 19:18.53 | levi | I still use vim somewhat regularly, but it's got enough vocal advocates around here. |
| 19:19.12 | levi | I occasionally fire up random other editors, too. |
| 19:19.16 | JoshH | i really don't have any actual problem with emacs, but it does have a lot of features that i'll never use or care about, and requires finger movements that i'm not used to |
| 19:20.37 | sinuhe | I think if I had to name my favourite editors it would have to be ed (GNU or Plan9), nvi, and Emacs. Any XEmacs fans here? |
| 19:20.52 | bonez2046 | I need help merging bookmarks.. I have three firefox profiles.. I'd like to merge my bookmarks from two older profiles. into the bookmarks for the newest profile.. is this possible? |
| 19:21.17 | Nafai | sinuhe: bah, no reason to use XEmacs any more. Gnu Emacs has all of the features that made XEmacs nice anyway now |
| 19:21.21 | Nafai | :) |
| 19:21.52 | JoshH | why would you prefer nvi over vim, or ed over anything? |
| 19:22.03 | sinuhe | bonez2046: I seem to remember that you can import multiple bookmarks files. |
| 19:22.21 | Nafai | the only reason I have used ed for anything is scripting editing a file |
| 19:22.47 | levi | ed can be handy if you don't have proper terminal control set up. |
| 19:23.21 | levi | It works pretty much like the command line of vi, so it's not hard to pick up. |
| 19:23.48 | sinuhe | JoshH: I learned vi with elvis and nvi. Vim has many additions, some contradictions, and posix mode handling that confusing my vi finger memory. Vim has taken some getting used to. Ed, on the other hand, I absolutely love. It is simple, fast, consistent, and doesn't get in my way. I often default to ed for quick edits. |
| 19:24.11 | sinuhe | s/confusing/confuse/ |
| 19:24.14 | jshipley | bonez2046: you could export your bookmarks from the other two profiles, and then import them into the profile you want to keep |
| 19:24.18 | JoshH | i see |
| 19:24.52 | jshipley | you could also use an addon like xmarks |
| 19:25.41 | Nafai | sjansen: crappy font handling? Are you not using Emacs 23? The fonts are beautiful to me with it. |
| 19:26.12 | levi | The fonts are beautiful, but figuring out how to select them... well, I don't know where that's at right now. |
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| 19:30.28 | sjansen | Nafai: The font rendering is fine. The handling is broken. |
| 19:31.39 | sjansen | They default to annoyingly huge. I've set a better size in my .emacs, but the window still opens huge, then resizes, completely defeating any attempt by the window manager to pick a decent placement. |
| 19:32.26 | Nafai | ah |
| 19:35.16 | levi | You could probably hack the default config to make it come up right. |
| 19:35.21 | sontek | I always feel like I should give emacs a try, but I treat my editors like women... I found one I like, no reason to stray. ;P |
| 19:35.55 | sinuhe | levi: Yes, but you shouldn't have to. It should have sane defaults, (which I suspect look fine in the Debian world that GNU developers often exist in). |
| 19:36.38 | levi | Yeah, I'm not saying it's *good*, I'm just saying you can make it work if it's causing trouble. |
| 19:37.14 | jshipley | I've found a lot of editors I don't mind, but I haven't really found one yet that I felt completely comfortable in. Some of the editors I've liked the best still had little bugs and quirks that always annoyed me. |
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| 19:38.43 | sjansen | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/11/10/1432232/Glenn-Beck-Loses-Dispute-Over-Parody-Domain |
| 19:40.22 | sjansen | levi: I doubt it. Looks to me like incorrect loading logic. I've already changed the default font size, that should be sufficient. |
| 19:40.42 | sinuhe | Emacs appears to be using pixel based fonts, not point sized fonts. This doesn't fit the changes in the X window system, which Emacs 23.1 now relies on. |
| 19:40.51 | sinuhe | s/based/sized/ |
| 19:41.18 | sjansen | http://gb1990.com/ |
| 19:41.19 | brac | [DidGlennBeckRapeAndMurderAYoungGirlIn1990.com: Home Page] |
| 19:41.19 | levi | sjansen: Emacs is pretty much all written in elisp. You can hack the loading logic. I've actually done something like this before. |
| 19:42.11 | bonez2046 | jshipley: ok, I opened the two older profiles, I saved the bookmarks as .html files.. I also added the xmarks addon.. but I can't see with it how to access/open/find the other two bookmarks files.. to then us xmarks to incorporate them into the current bookmarks file |
| 19:42.33 | levi | I had issues with Carbon Emacs on OS X loading the right fonts, and I hacked some files in the emacs library directories to make them come up right. |
| 19:43.56 | levi | Sadly, W32 Emacs probably has the best font handling of any emacs right now. |
| 19:45.27 | jshipley | bonez2046: xmarks is an online bookmark storage addon. If you want to use that, then you'd sync with the first set of bookmarks and use that set of bookmarks as the base. Then you'd switch to a second profile, sync to merge the two sets, and repeat with the third set of bookmarks. |
| 19:46.40 | jshipley | If you don't want to do the online storage, then just try to import the html files you just exported |
| 19:50.00 | levi | sjansen: Looks like you can set the font via x resources, e.g. Emacs.font: Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-8 |
| 19:50.45 | levi | That might set it for the initial frame before .emacs loads. |
| 19:57.07 | bonez2046 | jshipley: ok, the save as html import routine worked |
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| 20:12.10 | neybar | any openldap gurus around? I'm setting up ldap, and I want to move the ldap directory from the default to /home/ldap. I chowned it to my openldap user, opened up permissions and created a DB_CONFIG file, but I keep getting a permission denied error when I try to start slapd |
| 20:13.09 | sinuhe | neybar: Why are you using /home/? |
| 20:13.41 | neybar | mainly because that's where I hold most of the stuff that I'm backing up. I have that on a mirror raid etc. |
| 20:14.02 | sinuhe | /srv/? /var/? |
| 20:14.46 | goozbach | bonez2046: use del.icio.us |
| 20:17.34 | sjansen | neybar: "opened up permissions"? distro? |
| 20:17.52 | bonez2046 | thanks gooz.. got it done already |
| 20:18.20 | sjansen | Personally, I'd improve your backups, not move your data to an unusual location. |
| 20:19.09 | neybar | ok, ok, my backups are screwy. any idea why openldap won't talk to my new location? |
| 20:19.21 | sjansen | Not gonna answer my questions, huh? |
| 20:20.30 | sjansen | If I have to shoot in the dark, my bet is that you didn't give write permission on the directory to the correct user. |
| 20:21.04 | neybar | sjansen: ubuntu, chown openldap:openldap on /home/ldap, chmod 777 for now until I figure out why 755 wasn't working. |
| 20:21.28 | sinuhe | wonders if this is a production server... |
| 20:21.56 | sjansen | Have you looked at the permissions of /home? |
| 20:22.32 | sjansen | I don't have an Ubuntu box running at the moment, but bet it's root:users 750 |
| 20:22.39 | Jayce^ | oh man, best descriptions of burgers, and their cheese, ever.... http://www.cheeseandburger.com/ |
| 20:23.55 | sinuhe | Ubuntu LTS has root.root wth 755 for /home/ |
| 20:24.37 | neybar | var is the same 755 root:root |
| 20:25.02 | sjansen | Do you have AppArmor enabled? |
| 20:25.56 | neybar | It looks like it. |
| 20:26.35 | neybar | according to apparmor status it doesn't look like it is enforcing an ldap profile. |
| 20:26.36 | JoshH | Jayce^, most of the burgers on that site look delicious |
| 20:27.45 | sjansen | Nothing in the logs? Time to strace I guess. |
| 20:36.50 | unum | =~s/\[\]//; doesn't do what I expect |
| 20:37.06 | unum | in perl |
| 20:38.55 | unum | oh wait |
| 20:39.11 | unum | I'm dumb |
| 20:39.30 | unum | I wanted =~s/[\[\]]//g |
| 20:46.02 | elg | o/~ I'm never gonna dance again |
| 20:46.08 | elg | -chat never gonna |
| 20:46.14 | brac | never gonna recover! |
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| 20:47.27 | levi | elg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HrSN7176XI |
| 20:47.47 | elg | :-) |
| 20:48.01 | elg | but that's not the best one to use for rickrolling - there's a good 5 seconds before the music starts |
| 20:49.11 | levi | Yeah, it was a half-hearted attempt. |
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| 21:12.17 | fozzmoo | First video from UTOSC 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7g0xlJ1eig |
| 21:13.01 | Jayce^ | heh, you didn't need my intro in there |
| 21:13.33 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: We need documentation of what paintball barb you wore on what day. |
| 21:13.39 | fozzmoo | s/barb/garb/ |
| 21:13.45 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 21:14.15 | fozzmoo | Now I have a problem... my disks with the rest of the video are packed away in my storage unit. |
| 21:14.28 | Jayce^ | That day was the Team DesertEdge 09 Jersey |
| 21:14.32 | fozzmoo | I thought we'd be in our new house by the time I was done with the first video. |
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| 21:18.49 | levi | Moving is like software development. No matter how long you estimate, it always takes longer. ;) |
| 21:20.22 | fozzmoo | levi: true dat, even more so when you're buying a short sale. |
| 21:20.47 | fozzmoo | Speaking of Software Development, Marsee & Co. over at O |
| 21:20.51 | mulicheng | c++ question: } catch ( ... ) { // do something } |
| 21:20.59 | mulicheng | Suppose I use gdb to stop at // do something |
| 21:21.01 | fozzmoo | Speaking of Software Development, Marsee & Co. over at O'Reilly sent me this awesome book... |
| 21:21.12 | mulicheng | Anybody know how to determine what was thrown? |
| 21:21.14 | fozzmoo | Masterminds Of Programming. |
| 21:21.31 | fozzmoo | I highly recommend it to everyone, especially people who are interested in language design, history, etc. |
| 21:34.12 | tensai | mulicheng: shouldn't you have an exception variable? or is that specific to java... |
| 21:34.20 | tensai | s/variable/object/ |
| 21:34.22 | mulicheng | You can catch (...) in c |
| 21:34.26 | mulicheng | c++ |
| 21:34.32 | mulicheng | means catch any exception. |
| 21:34.40 | mulicheng | You can throw an int if you want, or a pointer. |
| 21:34.44 | mulicheng | you can throw anything you want. |
| 21:34.46 | tensai | oh I see what you mean |
| 21:34.53 | tensai | it's been a long time since I wrote any c++ |
| 21:34.59 | mulicheng | So my question is, if I'm catching (...) and I use gdb, how can I tell what was thrown. |
| 21:35.13 | mulicheng | I've figured out the issue I had already, but I didn't figure it out with gdb ;) |
| 21:35.24 | mulicheng | Would be an interesting thing to find out how to do. |
| 21:39.53 | tensai | mulicheng: http://www.chemie.fu-berlin.de/chemnet/use/info/gdb/gdb_6.html#SEC31 |
| 21:43.12 | herlo | so, the first video is out from UTOSC :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7g0xlJ1eig |
| 21:45.27 | mulicheng | tensai: the __raise_exception breakpoint idea is useful. |
| 21:45.39 | mulicheng | (Unless there are many exceptions I guess) |
| 21:47.26 | tensai | herlo: holy gigantic video batman! |
| 21:53.38 | sjansen | What's a good name for a class responsible for coordinating the executes of a series of transforms? I'm hoping for something better than "engine". |
| 21:54.17 | tensai | Transformers::MoreThanMeetsTheEye |
| 21:54.29 | sjansen | ~lart tensai |
| 21:54.29 | ibot | whacks tensai with the cluebat |
| 21:54.32 | mulicheng | ++tensai |
| 21:55.12 | fozzmoo | tensai: I like that class name. |
| 21:56.02 | tensai | sjansen: you know you want to |
| 21:56.15 | sjansen | ~blame tensai |
| 21:56.16 | ibot | ACTION blames tensai (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 21:56.58 | sinuhe | ~violence ibot |
| 21:57.05 | sinuhe | Hmmm... |
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| 22:06.22 | goozbach | sjansen: transformer seems to be a good name |
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| 22:10.42 | jsmith | sjansen: Would those be XSL transforms, by chance? |
| 22:10.54 | jsmith | sjansen: Transmogrifier? |
| 22:11.07 | Migs | http://tinyurl.com/workplace-productivity |
| 22:11.29 | sjansen | Similar goal to XSLT, very different syntax. |
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| 22:20.06 | sinuhe | The weakness of certain XML transforms is that standard Unix tools can do the same tasks with less complexity. |
| 22:22.26 | sjansen | The weakness of certain Datsuns is that standard burros can do the same task with less mining. |
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| 22:33.49 | sinuhe | sjansen: s/Unix tools/scripting or programming tools/ |
| 22:33.58 | sontek | I love me some xslt |
| 22:36.54 | sjansen | suspects sontek is delusional |
| 22:41.56 | sjansen | The weakness of certain apples is that standard screwdrivers can do the same task with less injury. |
| 22:43.11 | tensai | what's so wrong with marrying your cousin? |
| 22:45.49 | mulicheng | The weakness of most programming languages, is that you can just do it with Python. |
| 22:46.19 | Sargun_Screen | Is this the "make the most unintelligible comment you can" competition? |
| 22:46.33 | Sargun_Screen | sjansen: Also, some apples tend to have a weaker skin that's more susceptible (sp) to breaking.. |
| 22:47.04 | mulicheng | ibot: which programming language is best? |
| 22:47.06 | ibot | mulicheng: okay |
| 22:47.15 | sjansen | heh |
| 22:47.20 | mulicheng | hm |
| 22:47.28 | fungus | ~which programming language |
| 22:47.29 | ibot | rumour has it, which programming language is best? |
| 22:47.31 | sjansen | ~forget which programming language |
| 22:47.31 | ibot | sjansen: i forgot which programming language |
| 22:49.22 | sjansen | Sargun_Screen: If you don't understand, I'm not going to explain. Small chidren will point and laugh. Mothers will cross the street to avoid you. Politicians will rail against you. All because you don't understand. |
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| 23:04.56 | sjansen | Bad pun alert: Optimus' |
| 23:06.17 | tensai | hahahahaha! default passwords ftw. |
| 23:11.01 | jalbretsen | Optimus Prime? |
| 23:11.08 | jalbretsen | http://botropolis.com/wp-content/uploads/change-into-a-truck.jpg |
| 23:11.37 | mulicheng | ' is Prime in certain math contexts |
| 23:13.11 | mulicheng | or sometimes a single quote is just referred to as "prime" |
| 23:15.06 | Sargun_Screen | Hahaha |
| 23:28.06 | elg | -chat google wave |
| 23:28.07 | brac | google wave stuff? |
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