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| 03:46.14 | levi | I hate the unix shell language, but it sure is handy to know it sometimes. |
| 03:50.52 | levi | WOW, a new version of MythTV was actually released. |
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| 06:07.45 | maquis | levi: i like writing quickies in zsh. it's pretty fun, and makes people look at you funny :) |
| 06:51.32 | sontek | anyone else just get infiinite redirects when going to openclue.org? |
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| 17:05.46 | goozbach | Nafai: got your ears on? |
| 17:09.41 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin sjansen |
| 17:09.53 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin sjansen sjansen, check this out http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/orgtutorial_dto.php |
| 17:09.53 | ibot | ok, goozbach |
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| 17:49.10 | Nafai | goozbach: my ears are on now |
| 17:50.03 | elg | on whom? |
| 17:51.42 | Nafai | goozbach: Org Mode rocks |
| 17:52.00 | Nafai | elg: goozback, I assume: <+goozbach> Nafai: got your ears on? |
| 18:00.52 | sjansen | Nafai: Any tips for a new org mode user? I'm already experiencing emacs pinky. |
| 18:02.27 | Nafai | hrm |
| 18:02.33 | Nafai | new Emacs user too? |
| 18:02.55 | sjansen | Kicking and screaming. |
| 18:05.40 | Nafai | I'd been using Emacs for almost a decade when I started with org-mode, so I came at it with a slightly different perspective |
| 18:07.11 | levi | sjansen: Did you remap capslock? |
| 18:07.33 | Nafai | definitely, one of the nice things about org-mode is integration with remember mode: http://orgmode.org/manual/Remember.html#Remember |
| 18:09.12 | sjansen | levi: Of course. |
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| 18:09.51 | Nafai | there is a helpful #org-mode channel here. also, for all things emacs, go to www.emacswiki.org. great resource |
| 18:09.53 | elg | sjansen: if you're still using vim in the meantime, learn to love ctrl-[ |
| 18:10.16 | elg | with caps remapped, it's often much nicer than esc |
| 18:11.19 | rsimpkins | I remap my caps lock, and people laugh at me. |
| 18:11.30 | elg | i laugh at people who use caps lock |
| 18:11.55 | rsimpkins | It has saved many days of pinky pain. :) |
| 18:12.15 | Nafai | I've remapped it in the past and still haven't got used to it |
| 18:12.28 | Nafai | But I never really experience the pinky pain, despite using Emacs all day |
| 18:12.42 | rsimpkins | Some people do, and some don't. For those that do - it is a life saver. |
| 18:12.52 | Nafai | Yeah, I bet |
| 18:12.52 | macnewbold | i don't remap it, I just ignore it. and I use emacs all day too, without pinky pain |
| 18:13.10 | elg | I don't even use emacs (yet?) but I find it very very handy |
| 18:13.17 | sjansen | To be sure, a lot of pain can be avoided by learning to do proper two handed modifiers. But it's harder to do with ctrl and alt than with shift. |
| 18:13.23 | jnbek|wc | I've not used emacs enough ot be a critic, but, since I had carpal tunnel surgery and my left hand is near useless, atm, i'd have all manner of grief trying, lol |
| 18:13.29 | elg | and it's not 3 minutes on a box without it mapped that I screw something up typing in caps |
| 18:13.31 | sjansen | elg: Interesting tip. I'll have to try that. |
| 18:13.50 | Nafai | Here's my .emacs, if it will help anyone: http://github.com/Nafai77/config/blob/master/HOME/_emacs |
| 18:14.10 | Nafai | I think this is probably my 4th or 5th .emacs from scratch since I started using emacs |
| 18:18.59 | elg | email subject "solar powered backpacks and more" |
| 18:19.15 | elg | without clicking through (how boring) I am left wondering wth is a solar powered backpack |
| 18:25.36 | sjansen | One problem I'm finding using caplock as cntl in emacs, my muscles have a little difficulty processing a shift after a contrl. For example: C-c * |
| 18:27.36 | Jayce^ | hrm, google buying gizmo |
| 18:28.06 | sjansen | Hope they're careful to not get him wet or feed him after midnight. |
| 18:38.44 | elg | eeenteresting |
| 18:39.04 | elg | maybe they're going to throw their weight behind it and make it a serious competitor to skype |
| 18:39.22 | elg | and if they integrate it to make it seamless for gmail/gtalk users... |
| 18:40.28 | Nafai | I read speculation on Techcrunch that it is the key to integrate gtalk and google voice completely |
| 18:40.50 | Nafai | since gizmo5 already integrates with google voice |
| 18:41.46 | elg | truth. and it works well |
| 18:42.48 | sontek | I have my gv forwarding to gizmo5 and I can't hear anyone talking |
| 18:42.50 | sontek | they can hear me though |
| 18:43.14 | sontek | sipdroid doesn't allow me to define the stun server though, so it might just be a port/protocol issue |
| 18:43.40 | jsmith-flu | STUN isn't a silver bullet |
| 18:44.25 | Nafai | I haven't tried it yet |
| 18:49.02 | elg | stun is more like a silver-painted lead slug |
| 18:52.22 | tensai | jsmith-flu: lies! STUN saved my family from bankuptcy. |
| 18:52.34 | jsmith-flu | STUN solves the "wrong transport layer addresses being shipped in the application layer" problem, but it doesn't stop the "my firewall didn't know I was going to be listening for traffic on that port" problem |
| 18:52.44 | sjansen | STUN cured my painful rash. |
| 18:52.54 | jsmith-flu | tensai: You lie! |
| 18:52.57 | jsmith-flu | sjansen: You lie too! |
| 18:53.17 | jsmith-flu | It's evil, I tell you... what you're experiencing is just the placebo effect. |
| 18:53.41 | tensai | I set up a stun server and played with it a little, but haven't been convinced it will solve any problems for me |
| 18:53.49 | tensai | or solve them better than my current solutions |
| 18:55.10 | jsmith-flu | Right... If you're using a registrar that's worth it's weight in salt, it's smart enough to say "I see that Bob is registering from A.B.C.D:P... I'll record that, instead of the address and port he mentions in the application layer" |
| 18:55.32 | jsmith-flu | which negates the problem that STUN attempts to solve |
| 18:55.53 | tensai | exactly |
| 18:56.05 | jsmith-flu | Now, if there were a drop-dead-simple solution to the RTP problem, we'd be set for life |
| 18:56.27 | tensai | I had a cisco device that registered with a different IP and port than what it connected with, which threw my registrar for a loop |
| 18:56.53 | jsmith-flu | Nice! |
| 18:57.03 | tensai | it was a UC-500 |
| 18:57.17 | tensai | luckily I was able to tweak the nat detection and work around it |
| 18:57.19 | jsmith-flu | Never heard of a UC-500 |
| 18:57.46 | tensai | http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps7293/index.html |
| 18:58.30 | jsmith-flu | Ooooh... lovely. |
| 18:58.32 | tensai | great solution for the cash-rich small business |
| 18:58.33 | jsmith-flu | Office in a box |
| 18:58.59 | jsmith-flu | Only problem is that you have to back it up with a bunch of other boxes to make it really work, right? |
| 18:59.16 | tensai | you'll need a whole bunch of overpriced cisco ip phones |
| 18:59.19 | tensai | and a support contract |
| 18:59.57 | tensai | I haven't dealt with them directly. just as a sip peer. |
| 19:04.13 | goozbach | sjansen: you have a linode correct? |
| 19:04.30 | goozbach | I just upgraded my server (yum upgrade) and now httpd won't start |
| 19:04.37 | goozbach | something about "can't open logs" |
| 19:04.45 | goozbach | ever seen that? |
| 19:06.06 | sjansen | goozbach: Huh. |
| 19:06.28 | sjansen | Haven't seen anything like that, although I'm using Cherokee. |
| 19:06.31 | goozbach | weird no? |
| 19:06.40 | goozbach | it's like it can no longer bind to port 80 |
| 19:06.45 | goozbach | nor write to the log files |
| 19:06.56 | goozbach | SElinux isn't the problem |
| 19:07.05 | Nafai | goozbach: My Linode is working great. With Ubuntu Server. :) |
| 19:08.21 | goozbach | ~seen timriker |
| 19:08.24 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 17d 42m 7s ago, saying: 'It's the riker influence that does it.'. |
| 19:08.24 | tensai | goozbach: can you open port 80 with netcat? |
| 19:08.47 | tensai | nc -l -p 80 |
| 19:08.54 | goozbach | tensai: I've tried, but I'm not sure I'm doing it right |
| 19:08.58 | goozbach | that's what I tried |
| 19:10.53 | goozbach | tensai: doesn't seem to work |
| 19:10.57 | goozbach | no error response |
| 19:11.40 | tensai | very odd |
| 19:12.10 | goozbach | I'm able to bind to 80 using python. |
| 19:12.12 | goozbach | python -m SimpleHTTPServer |
| 19:12.15 | goozbach | python -m SimpleHTTPServer 80 |
| 19:12.50 | goozbach | weird |
| 19:13.19 | tvc123 | qwest FTL once again they manage to shut my circiut down in the middle of the day |
| 19:16.17 | jsmith-flu | tvc123: That means you can call them and complain before tech support closes for the day :-p |
| 19:16.21 | jsmith-flu | ducks |
| 19:16.38 | tvc123 | hehe all too true |
| 19:22.59 | goozbach | hmm |
| 19:23.15 | goozbach | if I blow the config away, and re-install the package, it works |
| 19:23.24 | jsmith-flu | Lucky you :-( |
| 19:23.24 | goozbach | so I'm guessing something doesn't like my config |
| 19:23.34 | goozbach | which is odd |
| 19:23.37 | jsmith-flu | service httpd configtest |
| 19:23.41 | goozbach | did it |
| 19:23.44 | goozbach | returns OK |
| 19:23.57 | goozbach | it's odd because it worked prior to the upgrade |
| 19:24.14 | goozbach | oh well |
| 19:24.22 | goozbach | time to dig into the config |
| 19:24.33 | goozbach | i think it may be sourcing my listen line twice |
| 19:25.27 | goozbach | I know what happened |
| 19:25.33 | goozbach | I'm doing ip based virt hosts |
| 19:25.38 | goozbach | with two different SSL certs |
| 19:25.47 | goozbach | so I had disabled the stock mod_ssl config |
| 19:25.55 | goozbach | when I upgraded, it replaced the stock config |
| 19:26.03 | goozbach | so it's trying to bind to 443 twice |
| 19:26.05 | goozbach | ohhhh |
| 19:26.09 | goozbach | me so smart |
| 19:26.11 | goozbach | smrt! |
| 19:27.03 | goozbach | HAY! it werks! |
| 19:28.00 | tvc123 | goozbach: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/87/240803829_9212773615_o.png |
| 19:31.20 | sjansen | ~cookie goozbach |
| 19:32.26 | goozbach | cookies? |
| 19:39.03 | jsmith-flu | Mmmmmn... cookies |
| 19:39.16 | tvc123 | I could use a cookie |
| 19:40.04 | goozbach | now that my web server is back up you can bake your own |
| 19:40.09 | goozbach | http://cookie-lumps.com |
| 19:41.31 | jsmith-flu | goozbach: I've got a super-simple recipe for you -- how does PumpkinLumps sound? |
| 19:41.48 | goozbach | ohhh |
| 19:41.55 | goozbach | pumpkinlumps!!! |
| 19:41.57 | goozbach | I'm listening |
| 19:42.44 | jsmith-flu | goozbach: Take one box of spice cake mix, add one (12-15oz) can of pumpin (not pumkin cake mix), and a generous amount of white chocolate chips. |
| 19:42.47 | jsmith-flu | goozbach: Mix well |
| 19:42.55 | jsmith-flu | goozbach: Cook at 350 for 16 minutes |
| 19:44.35 | goozbach | ohh |
| 19:44.38 | goozbach | cakey |
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| 21:18.52 | tensai | jsmith-flu: my wife made pumpkin pie from scratch and it was really good |
| 21:19.08 | jsmith-flu | tensai: Ugh... I'm jealous. |
| 21:19.15 | tensai | better than canned, but not terribly different |
| 21:20.03 | tensai | jsmith-flu: we've still got frozen pumpkin. come visit and I'll make you one. |
| 21:20.31 | jsmith-flu | tensai: Can't come visit now... wouldn't want to share the flu |
| 21:20.51 | sjansen | tensai: How about you come visit me and make me one? |
| 21:24.12 | tensai | sjansen: sure. you'll be at utosc 2010? |
| 21:25.39 | sjansen | Oh I couldn't possible impose on you like that. How about driving down next week instead? After all, wouldn't want to make you store the frozen pumpkin for nearly a year. |
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| 21:28.18 | tensai | that is very generous of you |
| 21:34.04 | tensai | enjoys a nice homemade brownie with chocolate cream cheese frosting |
| 21:58.55 | harleypig | Is there a firefox addon that will sync firefox bookmarks with google bookmarks? |
| 21:59.03 | harleypig | and vice versa? |
| 22:04.35 | goozbach | harleypig: just use del.icio.us |
| 22:04.57 | harleypig | goozbach: why? |
| 22:05.45 | harleypig | I've got a ton of google bookmarks ... is there a way to sync google to del.icio.us and then to firefox and back? |
| 22:06.33 | goozbach | harleypig: there's net::Delicious |
| 22:06.41 | goozbach | and I'm assuming a google API |
| 22:07.20 | harleypig | yeah, but I wanna be lazy |
| 22:08.33 | goozbach | sorry dude |
| 22:09.31 | harleypig | feh |
| 22:09.39 | harleypig | I say FEH! |
| 22:11.57 | sjansen | ~github++ |
| 22:12.08 | goozbach | sjansen: amen |
| 22:12.46 | harleypig | Hmmm ... there are a couple of addons that sync with an xml file on a server of your choice ... I wonder if the google api will dump bm's so I can sync that way ... hmmm |
| 22:22.52 | eightyeight | ~seen redbeard2 |
| 22:22.54 | ibot | redbeard2 <n=jphall@208.110.152.42> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 7d 4h 48m 16s ago, saying: 'sjansen: now _that_ is an awesome hack'. |
| 22:23.03 | eightyeight | harleypig: poke redbeard2 |
| 22:23.38 | harleypig | eightyeight: they had their baby this afternoon ... don't think he's online atm. |
| 22:23.58 | eightyeight | ah, cool |
| 22:24.05 | eightyeight | i guess i'll get him later then. :) |
| 22:24.09 | harleypig | eightyeight: heh |
| 22:25.10 | sjansen | http://whiskerino.org/2009/beards/eightyeight/ |
| 22:25.17 | sjansen | http://whiskerino.org/2009/beards/redbeard2/ |
| 22:25.23 | sjansen | http://whiskerino.org/2009/beards/zelut/ |
| 22:25.41 | eightyeight | sjansen: http://www.flickr.com/groups/vaginarino/pool/ (SFW) |
| 22:25.47 | sjansen | eightyeight: Great photo. |
| 22:25.51 | eightyeight | danke |
| 22:26.19 | sjansen | And by that I mean whiskerino not... whatever that is. |
| 22:26.31 | neybar | I'm sad... I wasn't able to get a whiskerino login. |
| 22:26.33 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 22:26.52 | eightyeight | sorry mate. neither did madams, i guess |
| 22:27.39 | sjansen | neybar: You either, huh? Did you shave anyway? |
| 22:27.54 | neybar | mainly I just stopped shaving. |
| 22:28.09 | harleypig | eightyeight: ummm ... that's an interesting name ... |
| 22:28.20 | eightyeight | anyway, the vaginarino is wives and girlfriends paying homage to the submitted photos on whiskerino. it's cool |
| 22:28.22 | neybar | I might not make it through the itch phase. The razor is looking tempting. |
| 22:28.25 | eightyeight | harleypig: what? 'eightyeight'? |
| 22:28.57 | eightyeight | sjansen: neybar: pics man, pics! let's see the beard progress |
| 22:29.19 | harleypig | eightyeight: vaginarino |
| 22:29.40 | eightyeight | oh. yeah. i guess they've been doing it for each whiskerino |
| 22:29.45 | eightyeight | creative, i think |
| 22:29.47 | sjansen | Yeah, yeah. Someday I'll beat my blog back into shape. |
| 22:33.32 | sjansen | After years of giving advice on how to learn Vim, it's kinda fun watching myself go through the same process with emacs. |
| 22:34.13 | Migs | my blog is embarrassingly unused lately |
| 22:34.25 | sjansen | I need to move left. Time for arrow keys. (next day) Hey, I should be using C-b. (next day) Actually, M-b would be even faster. |
| 22:36.05 | eightyeight | sjansen: you're actually learning emacs? why? |
| 22:36.23 | eightyeight | (not a condensending 'why' but a curious 'why') |
| 22:37.07 | sjansen | eightyeight: http://orgmode.org/ |
| 22:38.07 | eightyeight | cool |
| 22:38.59 | sjansen | I'll always be a Vim user for general editing, but in it's niche, orgmode can't be beat. |
| 22:40.09 | goozbach | meh, give me todo.sh |
| 22:42.01 | sjansen | *sigh* Yet another accident on I-15 just north of the office. |
| 22:42.01 | eightyeight | google tasks for myself |
| 22:42.14 | sjansen | orgmode is much more than todo lists. |
| 22:43.06 | eightyeight | what else can it do? |
| 22:43.56 | goozbach | check things off of todo lists? |
| 22:43.57 | goozbach | :) |
| 22:44.09 | goozbach | todo.sh combined with remind then |
| 22:44.37 | Supaplex | ala crontab of annoyance! |
| 22:44.45 | harleypig | I don't like remind ... it's scripting language is too obscure and obfuscatory. |
| 22:44.54 | harleypig | err ... its |
| 22:45.04 | unum | I started using remind recently |
| 22:45.33 | Nafai | tasks, note taking, outlining, etc etc etc |
| 22:47.06 | goozbach | I do all that using todo.sh and a collection of markdown files in my homedir |
| 22:49.09 | Nafai | sure, use what works for you |
| 22:59.55 | neybar | my boss just decided that he wasn't keeping good enough tabs on me so he deamed up this really arcane excel driven task list... I need something flashy/weby to distract him from his excel spreadsheet. |
| 23:01.10 | goozbach | neybar: I've recently had to resurrect my "whatdid" script |
| 23:01.18 | goozbach | which I enter in 15min increments |
| 23:01.33 | goozbach | cause my new boss isn't in the same building yet, and really doesn't know what I do |
| 23:02.43 | harleypig | neybar: google tasks? |
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| 23:22.51 | sjansen | neybar: orgmode? |
| 23:23.45 | Migs | http://qdb.us/300422 |
| 23:24.02 | sjansen | neybar: If you wanna be hip, http://basecamphq.com/ |
| 23:33.27 | sontek | neybar: RememberTheMilk |
| 23:33.52 | sontek | neybar: if he has an iphone or android he can sync his RTM with his phone |
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