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| 00:03.05 | ViperX | hello jnbek |
| 00:04.39 | jnbek | hi ViperX |
| 00:08.10 | sontek | Sargun: I'm here! |
| 00:08.14 | sontek | Sargun: lets take pictures! |
| 00:11.16 | sjansen | Ugh, the Solaris 10 installer sure is stupid. |
| 00:12.03 | Sargun | howd o I take pictures of me fire breathing? |
| 00:21.46 | tensai | Sargun: first step is to notify the darwin awards so they can document it |
| 00:23.20 | Sargun | wtf |
| 00:23.34 | Sargun | my vendor's girlfriend is really good friends with my coworker's twin brother |
| 00:23.44 | Sargun | and my other vendor is my boss's ex-wife. |
| 00:23.47 | Sargun | god daminit. |
| 00:23.52 | Sargun | tensai, -_- |
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| 00:36.10 | sjansen | ~language Sargun |
| 00:36.10 | ibot | ACTION grabs Sargun by the ear and washes Sargun's mouth out with soap |
| 00:37.01 | Heartsbane | ~sjansen sjansen |
| 00:37.02 | ibot | ACTION tells sjansen good things about sjansen |
| 00:37.24 | Heartsbane | that is so not how I saw that turning out |
| 00:37.50 | sjansen | heh |
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| 00:39.02 | sjansen | give C5.4 the evil eye for breaking the GL Web server |
| 01:07.38 | goozbach | sjansen: what did it do? |
| 01:07.54 | goozbach | I've upgraded many a box to 5.4 without web problems |
| 01:08.35 | sjansen | It either changed the MAC of a VM, or reactivated an old, commented MAC. |
| 01:09.15 | sjansen | Not Web problem. eth0 didn't come up, and OGO crapped all over itself without an active interface. |
| 01:09.42 | sjansen | Finally had to xm destroy the VM to get in and fix it. |
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| 15:51.17 | Jayce^ | woot timriker! |
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| 15:54.30 | goozbach | woot? |
| 15:54.37 | goozbach | link? |
| 15:54.56 | Jayce^ | his FB status |
| 15:55.15 | Jayce^ | Our new Android handset the #Saygus #vphone filing hit the FCC web site the other day. :) |
| 15:55.30 | Jayce^ | so I said to come to plug :) he said if he can, he'll bring demo units |
| 15:56.50 | Sargun_Screen | Hi all. |
| 15:57.00 | Sargun_Screen | you? |
| 15:57.16 | Sargun_Screen | Jayce^: Who are you? (whose android's?) |
| 15:57.32 | Jayce^ | that's from timriker |
| 15:58.54 | Sargun_Screen | ah. |
| 15:58.58 | Sargun_Screen | He makes handsets? |
| 15:59.05 | Sargun_Screen | Do we have bzflag on droid? |
| 16:07.52 | sinuhe | procmail drives me crazy. I have a procmail conf file in my home directory. Every once in awhile, after a package update, it suddenly stops working. I use procmail to save email, marked as spam by bogofilter, to a spam file (MBOX format). Once again, procmail has suddenly decided to stop moving spam into the spam file, even though bogofilter is correctly marking it as spam, and the same procmail file is being used elsewhere (on the |
| 16:07.52 | sinuhe | infinately unchanging Ubuntu systems that I also have access to). |
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| 16:15.14 | Sargun_Screen | harleypig: Do you have a theme song? |
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| 16:53.45 | levi | Sweet, my new W500 has arrived. :) |
| 16:54.17 | Jayce^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNmPybFK2_o ouch |
| 16:54.33 | Jayce^ | new mexico soccer player doesn't like the BYU players much |
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| 17:02.49 | elg | levi: still in SJ? |
| 17:03.00 | levi | Nope, I'm back home now. |
| 17:03.19 | elg | sorry i missed you. crazy couple weeks |
| 17:03.27 | tripzero | that #15 is one bad chick |
| 17:03.37 | levi | Sorry we didn't get a chance to meet up. We were kind of stuck inside the facility most of the day. |
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| 17:04.31 | elg | could have been worse, you could have been locked in with sjansen |
| 17:04.50 | sjansen | o/~ Locked in a closet with Vanna White ~/o |
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| 17:06.56 | sjansen | ~blame jalbretsen |
| 17:06.57 | ibot | ACTION blames jalbretsen (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
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| 17:08.05 | jalbretsen | yep, all my fault |
| 17:09.49 | levi | Geez, our IT guys screwed this install. |
| 17:11.57 | sjansen | waves at levi |
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| 17:12.53 | sjansen | levi: So I'm giving emacs another chance. Other than remapping capslock, any tips? |
| 17:13.39 | levi | Go through the built-in tutorial, get used to using the built-in help features. |
| 17:14.48 | levi | Don't expect to be editing at your current vim-speed in a day. :) |
| 17:15.24 | sjansen | http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-5-2009/the-11-3-project |
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| 17:17.43 | levi | So, IT installed both Office 2003 and 2007 on here, and neither of them work. |
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| 17:19.39 | elg | sjansen: learn one-handed dvorak at the same time |
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| 17:29.49 | sjansen | elg: Would right handed Dvorak be acceptable? My left hand is getting tired. |
| 17:30.11 | elg | no silly. you can't reach capstrl with your right hand. |
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| 17:30.50 | elg | sjansen: that video is awesome |
| 17:38.46 | sinuhe | sjansen: My main comment with Emacs is don't use it like vi. Emacs is not a line editor. It's best use is with its various modes, which provides shortcuts to automate tasks intelligently. Keymapping is usually my last thought with Emacs use. |
| 17:42.22 | sinuhe | sjansen: You might also find the Emacs Reference info manual useful (both for Lisp functions and shortcuts). I also still use the reference card as a quick reminder of how to do things the emacs way. |
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| 17:58.06 | sinuhe | sjansen: Perhaps those are trivial comments, but I hated Emacs at first because it wasn't vi. |
| 17:59.22 | neybar | is it still generally accepted that 2x ram is your swap size? |
| 17:59.40 | unum | I stopped using that |
| 17:59.46 | neybar | I have a server with 8g of ram, it seems wasteful to use 16 gig swap files |
| 18:00.25 | neybar | how big are you making your swap files then? |
| 18:00.41 | sjansen | Depends on what you're putting on the server. I don't create more than 1GB swap. Some people use a 1.5x rule. If you're putting vendor supported software, do what the vendor suggests so you don't have to go the rounds with support. |
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| 18:01.11 | JoshH | i usually do 1 gig |
| 18:01.12 | neybar | it's a postgres server |
| 18:01.20 | elg | I've been using http://pqxx.org/development/swapspace/ and I'm quite pleased with it |
| 18:01.31 | sontek | I always forget that this isn't the PLUG mailing list... someone brought up trying emacs and there wasn't a flame war |
| 18:01.48 | JoshH | i thought about saying something nasty |
| 18:01.53 | JoshH | but i was lazy |
| 18:02.20 | sontek | JoshH: You can't be lazy on those type of things |
| 18:02.44 | sjansen | Yay! All the pleasures of the Windows page file in Linux! |
| 18:02.51 | JoshH | besides, i know sjansen won't switch to emacs permanently |
| 18:03.07 | JoshH | he's just tryign it out of a morbid curiosity on a boring friday |
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| 18:18.03 | levi | sontek: That's because it was a guy who usually instigates those flamewars who brought it up. ;) |
| 18:19.59 | harleypig | Sargun_Screen: I don't have a theme song ... but that's a good idea ... I'll have to think about it. |
| 18:21.35 | blendmaster1024 | harleypig!!!! |
| 18:21.40 | blendmaster1024 | 80 |
| 18:21.51 | harleypig | que?! |
| 18:21.57 | harleypig | I'm not 80 yet! |
| 18:22.05 | elg | close enough |
| 18:22.05 | blendmaster1024 | not the number... |
| 18:22.07 | harleypig | And I haven't seen 80 lbs since elementary school |
| 18:22.17 | blendmaster1024 | 8o |
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| 18:29.57 | harleypig | Oh ... an emoticon. |
| 18:30.03 | harleypig | is still waking up. |
| 18:30.10 | harleypig | *8] |
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| 19:52.23 | harleypig | Don't ever let a bald man borrow your comb! |
| 19:55.21 | goozbach | don't trust a skinny pizza baker |
| 19:55.30 | goozbach | nor a broke investment coach |
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| 20:16.13 | Zelut | any svn gurus about? |
| 20:17.02 | goozbach | not a guru by any stretch, but I'll give it a shot |
| 20:17.09 | Zelut | goozbach: or _any_ investment banker? we are in a (recession|depression) after all. |
| 20:17.40 | goozbach | Zelut: I don't know my growth stock mutual funds seem to be doing well |
| 20:17.47 | goozbach | they're just on sale right now |
| 20:17.52 | Zelut | goozbach: I need to setup svn for puppet. I'm wondering the best structure to put it all in. |
| 20:17.58 | goozbach | BUY BUY BUY!!! |
| 20:18.05 | goozbach | Zelut: ahh |
| 20:18.11 | goozbach | I can answer that in a jiffy |
| 20:18.38 | Zelut | goozbach: we'll need the base puppet configs (manifests, files, etc), and also service-specific files that the other SAs will be updating day-to-day. |
| 20:20.40 | goozbach | http://gist.github.com/228259 |
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| 20:21.59 | Zelut | question. we want to limit write access to the puppet specific files (configs and manifests), but allow write access to certain SAs to files/. |
| 20:22.24 | Zelut | is that going to be possible with svn? |
| 20:22.43 | goozbach | not exactly |
| 20:23.07 | goozbach | just create a branch of the entire dir structure for each SA, |
| 20:23.16 | goozbach | then merge them into the "cannonical" repo |
| 20:23.43 | Zelut | the idea is that we have SAs assigned to specific services/boxes and we only want those people to write to their respective files. |
| 20:23.59 | Zelut | ie; i'm not in charge of DNS, I shouldn't we doing writes to subversion for anything DNS related. |
| 20:25.15 | goozbach | that I don't know |
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| 20:26.28 | Zelut | hmmm.. |
| 20:26.48 | Zelut | can you envision a method of doing that with subversion? I have the least experince with svn of any VCS |
| 20:27.16 | goozbach | the only way I know is to have one admin with "all the keys" |
| 20:27.55 | goozbach | and they only merge what should be merged into the main trunk which is then checked out on the puppet server |
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| 20:29.45 | sjansen | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch06s04.html#svn-ch-6-sect-4.4.2 |
| 20:32.39 | Zelut | looks like that requires Apache where I currently have Lighttpd.. |
| 20:33.16 | sjansen | Frankly, though, I think your focus should be on monitoring change, not enforcing policy. When someone knows how to get root, there's not a lot you can do to slow 'em down. |
| 20:34.13 | sjansen | Zelut: SVN can't do per directory ACLs by itself. |
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| 20:35.32 | fungus | Zelut, you can write a pre-commit hook on your repo to enforce permissions on parts of the repo to your users. |
| 20:36.54 | sjansen | Depending on the transport protocol, commit hooks are only a security facade. |
| 20:38.03 | Zelut | am I thinking about this problem the wrong way? should it be a single repo? multiple? should users need to check in a branch for merging by a few select admins with "all the keys"? |
| 20:40.21 | fungus | Zelut, i'm with sjansen. these are SA's, not lusers. just implement some kind of change monitoring. |
| 20:40.46 | fungus | perhaps a commit log -> maillist system that you can all watch |
| 20:40.59 | fungus | Then go smack up the user committing files they shouldn't. |
| 20:41.16 | sjansen | If you want something done right, may it easy to do. The more complex you make it, the more it will be resented and avoided. |
| 20:41.45 | sjansen | I've tried several times to impose technically superior but socially doomed standards. Just doesn't work. |
| 20:42.09 | Zelut | we know all about your socially doomed standards sjansen :) |
| 20:42.10 | unum | an ad on google's front page!!!! |
| 20:42.24 | unum | wish I could click "already bought one" |
| 20:42.39 | sjansen | ~punish Zelut |
| 20:42.40 | ibot | ACTION forces Zelut to install and use Windows |
| 20:43.12 | fungus | I get my demo Droid on Monday. can't wait. |
| 20:43.28 | unum | it's nice |
| 20:43.33 | unum | I had a really basic phone until now |
| 20:43.45 | fungus | ahh, so you are new to the whole smartphone thing. |
| 20:43.48 | unum | everyone made fun of me :( |
| 20:43.49 | unum | ya |
| 20:43.56 | fungus | congrats on your upgrade |
| 20:43.57 | unum | I didn't even have a camera |
| 20:44.29 | fungus | i've tried almost all of em, and none of them are better than my iphone |
| 20:45.09 | unum | the reviews seemed to leaning toward the iphone |
| 20:45.23 | unum | but the droid is cheaper and on verizon |
| 20:45.25 | fungus | but I have high hopes for the droid. |
| 20:45.37 | unum | I thought about waiting longer and see how things went |
| 20:45.38 | fungus | The Tmobile G1 I played with was a close second to the iphone |
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| 20:45.43 | unum | but I didn't have a smart phone |
| 20:45.55 | unum | google maps makes me happy |
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| 20:58.03 | Sargun | meh. |
| 20:58.11 | unum | meh meh |
| 21:28.08 | beelzebob | unum: I'm debating about a droid |
| 21:28.15 | beelzebob | let us know how it treats you |
| 21:28.45 | beelzebob | I was disapointed that it didn't have the multitouch features (pinch zoom, etc.) |
| 21:29.25 | beelzebob | I'm thinking that it has good potential though |
| 21:50.18 | goozbach | http://qdb.us/126370 |
| 22:17.29 | harleypig | qdb doesn't have an rss feed dammit! |
| 22:17.57 | harleypig | oh, wait ... they just don't advertise it |
| 22:46.56 | unum | is that eightyeight |
| 22:48.03 | eightyeight | nope. that wasn't me. some other pthree |
| 22:50.47 | unum | ssl imap email, that makes me happy |
| 22:50.55 | unum | now if only I could change the account on the jabber client |
| 23:03.09 | elg | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/google-opens-up-its-javascript-development-toolbox-to-all.ars |
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| 23:05.14 | levi | Do the Thinkpad users here generally keep their recovery partition intact or delete it to use the space for other stuff? |
| 23:05.26 | elg | backups are for wusse. |
| 23:05.55 | eightyeight | levi: i wiped mine |
| 23:05.59 | levi | This thing is nearly 6Gb. |
| 23:06.22 | levi | I wish UPS did Saturday delivery. |
| 23:06.28 | eightyeight | if i understand correctly, it's a backup of a bare windows install, right? |
| 23:06.34 | levi | Then I'd be getting my new camera tomorrow instead of Monday. |
| 23:06.46 | eightyeight | rather than shipping the recovery cds? |
| 23:06.49 | levi | I don't really know what's on it. It appears to be hidden. |
| 23:06.54 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 23:07.05 | levi | I have a set of recovery DVDs, but they're for Vista and it's running XP. |
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| 23:28.50 | tensai | ups does deliver on saturday. you just have to pay extra for it. |
| 23:49.42 | levi | Well, yeah. |
| 23:52.05 | sjansen | I wiped my recovery partition. |
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| 23:56.41 | levi | Hmm, how much time does this thing need to prepare to stand by? |
| 23:57.14 | bonez2046 | how can I make a shortcut.. i.e, instead of invoking /home/scott/apps/firefox3.5.5/firefox/firefox I want to just type 'fire' and have it load this version of firefox |
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| 23:58.48 | RyanE | bonez2046: symbolic link |
| 23:58.50 | RyanE | ln -s |
| 23:59.16 | RyanE | if that's the only location it's installed, you could put the symlink in /usr/local/bin to your firefox install. |