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| 00:26.56 | sjansen | declares litl's product to radical to surive |
| 00:29.09 | Sargun_Screen | macnewbold: you around? |
| 00:29.17 | Sargun_Screen | any recommendations on flasks? |
| 00:29.21 | Sargun_Screen | or where to buy them? |
| 00:29.45 | macnewbold | Sargun_Screen: flasks? |
| 00:29.46 | Sargun_Screen | I'm not a drinker, so I wouldn't know |
| 00:29.52 | macnewbold | i'm not a drinker either |
| 00:30.11 | macnewbold | but I think the curved stainless steel ones that fit inside a pocket nicely are pretty cool |
| 00:30.17 | elg | i drink a lot of water |
| 00:30.17 | Sargun_Screen | http://www.amazon.com/Blomus-68711-Stainless-Steel-Flask/dp/B000095SCP/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1257380980&sr=8-1 |
| 00:30.48 | Sargun_Screen | I need to buy some funnels, lamp oil, a flask |
| 00:30.58 | Sargun_Screen | Don't panic.... |
| 00:31.09 | Sargun_Screen | A fire extuinguisher too. |
| 00:31.13 | Sargun_Screen | Some headphones.... |
| 00:31.53 | Sargun_Screen | So? |
| 00:32.27 | Sargun_Screen | Oh, and a zippo lighter. |
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| 00:49.16 | ldav15 | Sargun_Screen: I think I bought my flask at Shapiro's. It came with a funnel. IIRC, it was less than $20, but it was a few years ago. |
| 00:49.56 | Sargun_Screen | shapiros? |
| 00:50.27 | ldav15 | Shapiro's sells lugagge and other stuff. |
| 00:56.46 | ldav15 | looks like Shapiro's was bought out by Bergman Luggage... |
| 00:57.32 | ldav15 | at least that's where their web domain goes to now.. |
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| 16:18.42 | bonez2047 | how would I install identd? |
| 16:29.08 | sinuhe | bonez2047: platform? |
| 16:30.20 | sinuhe | bonez2047: Current Linux systems usually call it authd |
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| 17:04.08 | fozzmoo | http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7600/1.html |
| 17:07.47 | JoshH | i have to wonder how many people that have stuff break after ubuntu upgrades like that are just having pebkacs. |
| 17:08.59 | JoshH | when i see something like "the upgrade completely broke all networking on my box", i can't help but think there was a user problem somewhere |
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| 17:11.57 | fozzmoo | Sounds to me like maybe the latest Ubuntu release is just more ambitious than others. I've experienced some painful Fedora installs/upgrades too because of that. |
| 17:13.12 | JoshH | i don't know, other than ext4 being available none of the changes really seem too major |
| 17:13.22 | JoshH | i was considering formatting with ext4 and doing a clean install sometime, but i'm procrastinating |
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| 17:25.45 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Wow, what an incredible whiner. |
| 17:26.04 | fozzmoo | Yeah. I kinda thought he was a bit whiny too. |
| 17:26.30 | sjansen | A perhaps chance to mention http://bethesignal.org/blog/2009/11/05/trollumnist/ |
| 17:26.48 | fozzmoo | http://scifiwire.com/2009/11/bikini-leia-and-her-stunt.php |
| 17:26.53 | sjansen | s/perhaps/perfect/ |
| 17:45.44 | sjansen | http://grathio.com/2009/11/secret-knock-detecting-door-lock.html |
| 17:47.32 | tensai | JoshH: I had some networking trouble after I upgraded. still having in fact. I can't get openvpn to play well with networkmanager. |
| 17:48.18 | tensai | "A poll on the Ubuntu forums shows just 10% of people had a flawless install" is a completely useless number |
| 17:49.10 | tensai | iow, "a poll of people frequenting a forum for users with issues showed that many of them had issues". duh! |
| 17:56.25 | sjansen | Yeah. Maybe the latest Ubuntu release was a little bumpy, but that guys whining contributes exactly zero. |
| 17:56.51 | elg | sjansen: sweet |
| 17:57.17 | sinuhe | Add why wife to that 10% |
| 17:57.21 | sinuhe | s/why/my/ |
| 17:58.19 | tensai | it actually is climbed to 15% by the time polls closed. and that 15% is of both upgrades and installs. |
| 17:58.29 | tensai | 34% of installs went flawlessly |
| 17:59.02 | tensai | 62% were without serious errors |
| 17:59.33 | tensai | that's a far cry from the 10% he claimed. and again, the sample is horribly unscientific. |
| 18:02.23 | Nafai | The only issues I had were because I upgraded during one of the alphas and they uploaded a broken package |
| 18:02.36 | Nafai | The other upgrades I did after the release went smoothly |
| 18:04.06 | sjansen | would rather not discussing it any more |
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| 18:05.06 | sjansen | Clearly the issue is being blown out of proportion by a bunch of selfish little brats and fame whores. |
| 18:05.06 | tensai | woot! I just submitted comments to the fcc. |
| 18:05.08 | tensai | http://www.publicknowledge.org/action/say-no-to-soc |
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| 18:07.08 | sinuhe | I don't upgrade my systems; I reinstall them. Upgrades are bound to have problems when people do weird things with their systems, add third party repositories, etc. A good kickstart/preseed/autoyast file, and a backup process, makes this easy (and tests the backup method). |
| 18:09.30 | tensai | if I'd have been smart enough to put /home on a separate partition I would have done a clean reinstall |
| 18:09.38 | fungus | A 6mo release cycle is just enough time for me to customize (royally screw up) my system to make upgrades painful. |
| 18:10.24 | fungus | And it's also the right amount of time for me to have the system that fits my needs most perfectly |
| 18:10.30 | elg | some days I tire of being labeled the enemy whenever I call for rationality in the face of FUD |
| 18:11.01 | sjansen | ~oppose elg |
| 18:11.04 | elg | today it's flu vaccines will give us all autism |
| 18:11.16 | sjansen | ~silence elg |
| 18:11.17 | ibot | ACTION shoves an apple in elg's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 18:11.31 | fungus | tensai, don't forget there's plenty of stuff in /home than can wreak havoc on your upgrade. :) |
| 18:11.36 | sjansen | Enough to feed a whole family! |
| 18:11.37 | elg | watches his stunt double bask in the flames |
| 18:12.17 | fungus | woot, i just got a flu shot, 10min ago. |
| 18:12.20 | sjansen | tensai: Did you use LVM? |
| 18:12.27 | fungus | how long before I can memorize the phone book? |
| 18:12.29 | elg | watches fungus turn autistic |
| 18:12.44 | tensai | hangs his head in shame |
| 18:12.52 | elg | fungus: start with /usr/share/dict/words |
| 18:13.02 | tensai | I foolishly let the auto partitioner have it's way and thus, no lvm |
| 18:13.08 | tensai | s/it's/its/ |
| 18:13.19 | elg | does the ubuntu installer do lvm now? |
| 18:13.30 | sjansen | Not by default. |
| 18:13.30 | fungus | it can, but not by default |
| 18:13.46 | elg | but it didn't used to could, did it? |
| 18:13.59 | sjansen | LVM is scary and advanced, so you have to use the ugly text based installer. |
| 18:14.10 | tensai | laaaame |
| 18:14.12 | elg | the alternate cd? |
| 18:14.16 | sjansen | yup |
| 18:14.31 | elg | wishes there weren't N cds |
| 18:14.35 | tensai | there is no disk management but lvm and sjansen is its prophet |
| 18:14.46 | sjansen | My life is 1000% better because of LVM. I recommend always using it, even if you don't think you'll need it. |
| 18:14.47 | fungus | eh, LVM is overkill for a desktop hardware machine |
| 18:14.48 | elg | ~hail sjansen prophet of lvm |
| 18:14.48 | ibot | ACTION bows down to sjansen prophet of lvm and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 18:14.55 | tensai | sjansen++ |
| 18:15.08 | tensai | I completely agree, 100% |
| 18:15.14 | fungus | but LVM is the most beautiful thing in the world with servers and virtual machines. |
| 18:15.29 | fungus | well, almost the most beautiful |
| 18:15.34 | fungus | ZFS is still prettier |
| 18:15.55 | sjansen | fungus: No it isn't. tensai's problem would be easy peasy if he'd use LVM. Just keep the old LV around and install into a new one. Migrate files as he needs them. |
| 18:16.30 | tensai | sjansen: I recently updated our server build spec to require lvm |
| 18:16.39 | fungus | LVM isn't what solved that problem. forward thinking is |
| 18:16.43 | sjansen | Because he didn't, he's now stuck with an annoying backup, wipe, install cycle. Something I haven't suffered for half a decade. |
| 18:16.59 | fungus | He could have just as easily made it a separate partition |
| 18:17.28 | tensai | but I also would want to protect /usr/local. and maybe I'd find another directory to save. |
| 18:17.42 | sjansen | Partition?! Partition?! Why would someone subject themselves to the tyranny of partitions and the torture of resizing them? |
| 18:17.50 | fungus | lol |
| 18:18.01 | elg | the only thing I wish is that xfs could shrink. :( |
| 18:18.29 | elg | that would make lvm a true panacea for me. as-is I still need to be careful about some of my partition planning |
| 18:18.35 | fungus | I only wish for zfs on linux. |
| 18:18.44 | tensai | elg: indeed. that was one reason I didn't use xfs for my myth box. |
| 18:18.50 | fungus | screw size planning. |
| 18:19.32 | sjansen | That's what I'm saying. Long live LVM! |
| 18:19.49 | fungus | and now that zfs has de-duplication it is godlike |
| 18:20.27 | sjansen | ZFS is nice, but it's hardly the "last word in filesystems". |
| 18:20.37 | sjansen | Someday the world with bow before btrfs. |
| 18:20.50 | fungus | too little, too late |
| 18:20.50 | elg | but b is far before Z |
| 18:20.57 | elg | maybe even the first word in file systems |
| 18:21.20 | fungus | just need to smack Sun/Oracle around till they relicense. |
| 18:21.54 | sjansen | I'd have a more positive opinion of ZFS if Solaris weren't so incredibly sucky. |
| 18:22.05 | fungus | agreed |
| 18:22.34 | tensai | elg: there was afs |
| 18:22.36 | elg | I may have a more positive opinion of ZFS if I could actually use it. |
| 18:23.29 | tensai | doesn't osx have zfs? |
| 18:23.51 | elg | nope |
| 18:23.59 | elg | there were rumors it would |
| 18:24.04 | Jayce^ | the project finally got killed a couple weeks ago |
| 18:24.05 | fungus | it was rumored to be coming, but stopped |
| 18:24.05 | elg | then there were rumors that really it would next time |
| 18:24.15 | JoshH | tensai: i've always avoided network manager completely, so maybe that helps |
| 18:24.16 | elg | and recently all rumors were quelled in perpetuity |
| 18:33.51 | sjansen | My life is 50% better because of NetworkManager. It's the _only_ way to roll. |
| 18:34.22 | tensai | sjansen: do you use openvpn? |
| 18:35.04 | sjansen | Yup. |
| 18:35.25 | JoshH | i think networkmanager is only good for laptops |
| 18:35.26 | tensai | did you set it up as a vpn plugin through networkmanager? |
| 18:35.28 | sjansen | It Fedora at least it Just Works(tm) and has for a couple of years. |
| 18:35.39 | sjansen | Yup. |
| 18:36.07 | tensai | JoshH: this is a laptop and I'd like to give it a fair chance |
| 18:36.36 | sjansen | You mean there are still people who don't use a laptop as their primary system? |
| 18:36.37 | JoshH | last time i used openvpn on a laptop though, i just did it manually, no networkmanager |
| 18:36.41 | sjansen | How barbaric. |
| 18:37.25 | JoshH | my next laptop could become a primary system, depending on things |
| 18:41.17 | fungus | lol I switched from a laptop as primary, to desktop + netbook |
| 18:41.34 | JoshH | that's how i am now |
| 18:45.58 | sjansen | just doesn't understand netbooks, but them I'm a pixelphile |
| 18:46.54 | JoshH | i don't like them for any real work |
| 18:46.59 | JoshH | but handy when you need a terminal in some random place |
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| 18:50.30 | tensai | hey I got it to work |
| 18:51.32 | bonez2046 | any of you run AMD64 with latest Firefox.. and have all the media working? I can't get adobe flash to install and WORK.. help |
| 18:53.26 | sjansen | Latest as in 3.5 stable or 3.6 beta? 'Cause Fedora x86_64 3.5.4 works perfectly. |
| 18:54.13 | fungus | bonez2046, I cheated last time i tried that and used the ubuntu package. which, IIRC, add some strange 64-32 wrapper thingy |
| 18:54.26 | fungus | that was months ago though |
| 18:55.10 | fungus | that was the flashplugin that was wrapped. |
| 18:55.18 | fungus | firefox by itself was flawless as is. |
| 18:58.37 | JoshH | 64 bit ff and 64 bit flash working perfectly here |
| 19:05.19 | JoshH | i'm using the 64 bit flash 10 prerelease straight from adobe though, but have had zero problems of any kind |
| 19:10.34 | bonez2046 | JoshH: I think what happened.. was I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 the other day.. well, last week, but I just discoverd 94 packages that weren't upgraded.. and are apt-getting now.. maybe this move will upgrade me and make the media work |
| 19:11.05 | bonez2046 | JoshH: is there any special clean up after installing the adobe flash.. to assure it works and is correctly linked where it needs to be? |
| 19:11.53 | bonez2046 | I have 4 different profiles for ff set up now, because for several sites.. I couldn't access content under the 3.5 release and had to revert back to 3.0.x of ff to load some pages correctly |
| 19:12.11 | bonez2046 | sjansen: I have 3.5.4 of ff |
| 19:12.56 | JoshH | all you need to do is make sure you have no flash/crappy plugin wrapper/etc packages in the way, download the 64 bit version from adobe's site, and stick the 64 bit libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins |
| 19:13.08 | JoshH | reload firefox, go to about:plugins, and you should see flash listed there |
| 19:13.11 | JoshH | then enjoy youtube |
| 19:22.16 | bonez2046 | I see flash listed.. but here's what I just tried.. I received a training link, which opens what I assume to be a flash presentation.. if I open an instance of xp pro in vbox.. the presentation opens right up, no hesitation, but if I then open gmail up and then the email, and click on that flash link, it opens the window with nothing inside it.. and doesn't play.. |
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| 19:32.19 | bonez2046 | I go to www.linuxjournal.com and watch, or want to watch one of the tech tip videos there, and nothing displays if I open in ff under ubuntu, but if I open it in win xp it loads right up and plays |
| 19:35.35 | sjansen | URL? |
| 19:44.43 | bonez2046 | url? to the techtips? hold on |
| 19:45.57 | bonez2046 | http://www.linuxjournal.com/video/forget-rasterbator-posterazor |
| 19:46.14 | bonez2046 | that's a link that normally brings up a flash play window, which I click to have it play.. |
| 19:47.55 | sjansen | WORKSFORME |
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| 20:34.04 | Migs | RT: @BreakingNews: JUST IN -- MSNBC reports that multiple people have been shot at the Fort Hood army base in Texas. Details to come. |
| 20:37.50 | sjansen | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=8551420 <-- Guess that explains the power outage yesterday |
| 20:42.18 | fozzmoo | Migs: Yeah- I saw that on the TV at Booger King. 7 dead. 12 wounded. |
| 20:42.28 | fozzmoo | One shooter is in custody. Another is "on the loose." |
| 20:42.40 | fozzmoo | They were in army fatigues, but no word on whether they're actually army personnel. |
| 20:51.19 | mulicheng | Why is it that now days, that it almost seems in style when someone gets ticked off at the world, that they like to go out shooting? |
| 20:54.17 | mulicheng | I suppose the media has already beat that subject to death, and if we knew perhaps it wouldn't keep happening. |
| 20:57.43 | fozzmoo | Until we know, we should ban all ownership of guns. </tongueincheek> |
| 20:58.20 | mulicheng | There certainly are a crowd that <IMO quite stupidly> promotes that idea. |
| 21:06.23 | sjansen | I'd be fine with banning stupid from owning guns. Intelligence could be measured as the inverse of tolerance for Nancy Grace or Anne Coulter. |
| 21:07.25 | mulicheng | banning stupid doesn't work. |
| 21:07.52 | mulicheng | because you could argue that some that use guns to harm others pass the intelligence test. |
| 21:08.49 | sjansen | Sorry, but by disagreeing with me you've failed the intelligence test. You're no longer allowed to own or even touch a gun. |
| 21:11.52 | fungus | but banning the stupid from owning guns will save lots of animals |
| 21:11.59 | elg | we should just hand out paintball guns to everyone |
| 21:12.06 | mulicheng | I'm just pointing out that no matter the banning criteria, there would always be some who still shouldn't get a gun but do anyway. |
| 21:12.13 | elg | people who use them too frequently are forbidden from buying real guns |
| 21:12.31 | elg | (use them outside of a sport setting. otherwise we'd have to ban Jayce^) |
| 21:12.53 | mulicheng | And mostly what happens is it just makes it so only the bad guys have the guns. |
| 21:13.04 | mulicheng | (DC, Chicago etc) |
| 21:14.39 | sjansen | How about this: Only Vim users are allowed to own guns? |
| 21:14.45 | fozzmoo | cheers |
| 21:14.51 | mulicheng | OK, I'm on board. |
| 21:15.22 | elg | all the emacs users have RSI anyway and aren't a threat. |
| 21:15.26 | mulicheng | But then emacs users would just steal them by pressing some combination of ctrl-keys |
| 21:15.47 | JoshH | most gun owners are notepad users |
| 21:15.54 | mulicheng | I thought about using emacs once. |
| 21:16.13 | mulicheng | Then I went and took a cold shower.. back to work.. ok again. |
| 21:16.28 | fozzmoo | I can't remember the exact statistic, but it's something like... 3 out of 4 gun related hospital visits or deaths or something involved the use of illegally obtained firearms. |
| 21:16.39 | fozzmoo | Banning guns would merely raise that to 4 out of 4. |
| 21:17.09 | JoshH | the only gun control that really makes sense is having an actual decent process for getting concealed permits |
| 21:17.15 | sjansen | Good point. I guess the only solution is to make owning a gun a capital offense. |
| 21:17.42 | JoshH | with the night watch shooting in herriman, the guy that shot his gun in the carls jr bathroom, and the guy that accidentally fired it inside an olive garden, all permit holders, i think we need to make sure people are a little smarter |
| 21:17.42 | fozzmoo | JoshH: You don't think a 2 hour class on safety is good enough? |
| 21:18.09 | JoshH | the fact that utah dishes out like 60k permits a year to people all over the country means we don't take it seriously enough |
| 21:18.14 | mulicheng | I don't think that a very large portion of the 75% of illegal (3 out of 4 stat) gun accidents (or on purpose accidents) have a concealed permit. |
| 21:18.28 | JoshH | i know that |
| 21:18.34 | JoshH | and i'm not opposed to concealed permits |
| 21:18.38 | fozzmoo | My cousin teaches those concealed permit courses... I think he'd agree that some actual range time wouldn't be a bad requirement. |
| 21:18.46 | JoshH | but i do think the process for getting one should make more logical sense |
| 21:18.57 | mulicheng | I wish Utah only would give out to Utah. |
| 21:19.02 | JoshH | other forms of gun control don't work |
| 21:19.05 | JoshH | just like prohibition |
| 21:19.22 | JoshH | if we banned guns, all the right wingers would get one illegally just like the criminals |
| 21:19.26 | JoshH | and they would then be criminals as well |
| 21:19.32 | fozzmoo | Comparing guns to liquor isn't quite a good comparison. |
| 21:19.38 | Migs | except it would be "cool" to do so |
| 21:19.48 | Migs | like how pirating music is "cool" |
| 21:19.48 | JoshH | well i mean more like drugs |
| 21:19.49 | fozzmoo | Besides, there's no constitutional right to own/drink liquor. |
| 21:19.53 | sjansen | My boss (Bryan) is currently driving to a training range outside Vegas for several days of practicing marksmanship and appropriate emergency response. |
| 21:19.57 | JoshH | it would just mean a bigger black market for guns |
| 21:20.09 | fozzmoo | But, yes, I agree about the black market. |
| 21:20.53 | JoshH | i also think banning "assault weapons" is pretty stupid, since they aren't even full auto or anything |
| 21:21.02 | JoshH | at least most |
| 21:21.15 | fozzmoo | likes bayonets. |
| 21:21.46 | JoshH | basically i think instead of gun control, we need extremely tough penalties for any crimes committed with a gun, and lower penalties for crimes that have no victims |
| 21:21.52 | JoshH | so we could make room for the violent criminals in prisons |
| 21:22.05 | Jayce^ | sjansen: it's a nice facility, but the main owner has some issues that have come up recently (financial) |
| 21:22.26 | Jayce^ | we do already have the tough penalties.. |
| 21:22.34 | JoshH | not tough enough |
| 21:22.54 | Jayce^ | you haven't seen what they can do by just adding any form of weapon in the mix |
| 21:22.55 | sjansen | Capital punishment for owning a gun! |
| 21:22.59 | Jayce^ | all dependson what they want for it |
| 21:23.09 | JoshH | the fact is, we let murderers out on parole |
| 21:23.20 | JoshH | which is bad |
| 21:23.32 | JoshH | i know about gun enhancements and so forth |
| 21:23.38 | JoshH | but think of what a mess the whole justice system is anyway |
| 21:23.42 | sinuhe | JoshH: I don't think such a generalized statement is true. |
| 21:23.49 | JoshH | tons of violent criminals get a mild punishment |
| 21:23.49 | Jayce^ | and yet you can get locked up for years, and lose everything because the cops can assemble more than 10 rounds into a belt feed gun |
| 21:23.54 | mulicheng | Yeah, I know a guy and his son serving time for what boils down to some bad financial decisions. |
| 21:24.03 | unum | so lower penalties for smoking pot |
| 21:24.05 | unum | I can support that |
| 21:24.24 | JoshH | i don't think there should be any penalty at all for smoking pot |
| 21:24.39 | sinuhe | The real question is rehabilitation: how do you know a murder will not murder again? Will he be able to contribute safely to society, instead of being a burden. |
| 21:24.53 | JoshH | i'd rather leave those guys alone and make sure that anyone who commits murder or rape never sees daylight again |
| 21:25.11 | mulicheng | But then what if more people started smoking pot, which raised the demand for pot, which encouraged more drug lords in Mexico..., which perform more violent crimes. |
| 21:25.35 | sinuhe | JoshH: Revenge only feels good for awhile and often makes things worse, than better. |
| 21:25.39 | JoshH | that wouldn't be an issue if people could grow their own or buy it at 7-11 |
| 21:25.59 | mulicheng | So what about stuff you can't grow. |
| 21:26.10 | JoshH | like what |
| 21:26.19 | mulicheng | I'm not a drug expert really. |
| 21:26.30 | fozzmoo | http://www.holytaco.com/25-people-horrible-fake-tans |
| 21:26.33 | Jayce^ | just wants to buy OTC sudafed again without all the problems |
| 21:26.35 | mulicheng | I have no idea how most drugs are made. |
| 21:26.37 | JoshH | hard drugs are a thornier issue, but i think it's obvious that the black market for them is the source of most of the problems with them |
| 21:26.42 | fungus | if you legalize drugs, it then moves to the business sector, no more drug lords |
| 21:26.42 | fozzmoo | agrees with Jayce^ |
| 21:26.50 | sjansen | I'd say we're already too harsh in the US. By percentage of population, few countries lock up as many of their citizens as we do. Rehabilitation, not punishment should be our primary focus. |
| 21:26.56 | Jayce^ | sudafed PE might as well be a sugar pill |
| 21:27.06 | JoshH | when it comes to murder, rape, etc, i don't believe in rehab |
| 21:27.10 | mulicheng | agrees with sjansen. |
| 21:27.15 | JoshH | it should be about punishment, but i would call it justice |
| 21:27.24 | Migs | the other side would be to increase the frequency of capital punishment |
| 21:27.24 | sinuhe | dies of shock at the hint of agreement with sjansen |
| 21:27.26 | JoshH | when it comes to writing bad checks, i believe in rehab |
| 21:27.36 | Migs | that would have the similar effect of reducing the crime rate |
| 21:27.38 | fozzmoo | Prisons should indoctrinate US history and stuff. |
| 21:28.03 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: you're right, I see the parallels between prisons and the public school system :) |
| 21:28.04 | JoshH | well, part of the problem with prisons is that no matter what you're in for, you're probably going to come out more hardened and more of a criminal |
| 21:28.11 | JoshH | we really don't prep anyone very well for reentry into society |
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| 21:28.19 | Migs | that's why we should never let them reenter |
| 21:28.38 | fozzmoo | GULAG! |
| 21:28.42 | JoshH | for non-violent crime, we should do a lot more house arrest, forced community service, etc |
| 21:28.43 | Migs | and since we're not letting them reenter, we might as well exterminate them to save the taxpayer burden |
| 21:28.58 | JoshH | we should also keep prisoners separated better |
| 21:29.03 | sjansen | An 18 year old having sex with a 16 year old qualifies as rape. Do you really think that person has no chance of rehabilitation? |
| 21:29.15 | JoshH | i can't understand why we can't easily end the problem of prison ganges |
| 21:29.18 | JoshH | gangs |
| 21:29.18 | Migs | sjansen: With enough therapy, yes, that person can be rehabilitated |
| 21:29.35 | Migs | Kids shouldn't be having sex anyway. |
| 21:29.35 | JoshH | how hard is it to keep all the guys with neo nazi tats away from eachother? |
| 21:29.42 | Jayce^ | JoshH: unless you just keep them in solitary, the whole time, you can't |
| 21:29.46 | fozzmoo | sjansen: I think your opinion on that changes as your daughter approaches the age of 16 |
| 21:30.07 | JoshH | Jayce^: we could definitely keep them in their own cells more often, feed them in smaller, mixed race groups, etc |
| 21:30.27 | Jayce^ | then you are dealing with a lawyers heaven :) so many cases for them to make |
| 21:30.27 | JoshH | i think i'd change a lot of things if i was somehow in charge of the prison system |
| 21:30.33 | fozzmoo | Make them watch videos of Milton Friedman and Ezra Taft Benson. |
| 21:30.37 | JoshH | well laywers should all just be killed |
| 21:30.41 | JoshH | simple fix |
| 21:30.47 | Jayce^ | JoshH: allright, I'm with you now... |
| 21:30.48 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 21:30.50 | elg | fozzmoo: are you suggesting that as sjansen's daughter approaches the age of 16 he begins to believe that 18 year olds making stupid decisions will never change? |
| 21:30.59 | elg | that seems rather non-sequitir |
| 21:31.11 | sjansen | Yes, treat them like animals. That should turn out well. Right up until they turn into rage filled, starved and abused pitbulls. |
| 21:31.12 | JoshH | fozzmoo: now that would be cruel punishment |
| 21:33.38 | JoshH | they should have to watch videos of obama talking about change |
| 21:34.15 | fozzmoo | Ch... ch... ch... Changes. |
| 21:35.21 | Jayce^ | needs to get fozzmoo out shooting again |
| 21:35.37 | fozzmoo | Name the time and place. |
| 21:36.15 | JoshH | high noon |
| 21:36.36 | Jayce^ | w00t w00t |
| 21:36.57 | JoshH | i'm not sure if i should be happy that shurtleff won't be our senator, or sad that he will still be our AG |
| 21:37.27 | Jayce^ | woulda been been nice to see bennet get knocked out in primaries :) |
| 21:37.44 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: There's speculation Chaffetz might go up for the senate seat. |
| 21:38.06 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: yeah, depends on if his friend goes for it |
| 21:38.08 | unum | I think I prefer bennet to who shurtleff was saying he was going to be |
| 21:38.20 | fozzmoo | unum: Of course you do. |
| 21:38.21 | Jayce^ | just blanked on his name... starts with an l |
| 21:38.29 | Jayce^ | unum: sounds like a great endorsement |
| 21:38.31 | unum | and I prefer bennet to Chaffetz |
| 21:38.36 | fozzmoo | unum: Of course you do. |
| 21:38.48 | unum | of course Huntsman would be nice as well :) |
| 21:39.03 | unum | I'd take Huntsman over bennet |
| 21:39.10 | fozzmoo | unum: Of course you would. |
| 21:40.01 | JoshH | i don't like bennett, but i like shurtleff less |
| 21:40.29 | unum | the old shurtleff wasn't so bad |
| 21:40.37 | unum | not as good as the old romney |
| 21:40.37 | JoshH | the old shurtleff is the main reason my wife's alcopops cost twice as much now |
| 21:40.41 | JoshH | it was all his idea |
| 21:40.50 | unum | of course the new shurtleff isn't anywhere near as bad as the new romney |
| 21:41.39 | unum | I care about taxes on alcohol just as much as I care about taxes on bullets, and for the same reason :) |
| 21:44.24 | JoshH | he's all over alcohol and gambling and the bcs, but ignores identify theft, fraud, etc. |
| 21:44.49 | JoshH | in fact, he seems to be friends with quite a few fraudsters |
| 21:45.23 | JoshH | he also did nothing to crack down on flds child abuse until he didn't have much of a choice |
| 21:45.53 | unum | so what would you say is the classiest restaurant in salt lake? |
| 21:46.06 | JoshH | probably metropolitan |
| 21:46.16 | fozzmoo | Dennys on 5th So. |
| 21:46.26 | unum | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.36 | JoshH | my uncle is an electrician, and was once working at that dennys |
| 21:46.47 | Jayce^ | oh fozzmoo forgot to mention, costco started carrying that Agave syrup I was telling you about |
| 21:46.55 | fozzmoo | Oh cool! |
| 21:46.57 | JoshH | some kind of dust covered wiring attachment thing he was working on fell and landed in one of the soup pots |
| 21:47.06 | JoshH | and he said the kitchen guy just fished it out and kept using the soup |
| 21:47.16 | fozzmoo | JoshH: Cool! |
| 21:47.54 | sjansen | Par for course at most restaurants. |
| 21:48.03 | fozzmoo | http://failblog.org/2009/11/05/epic-fail-forklift-driver-fail/ |
| 21:48.11 | JoshH | i like to think that only happens at places like dennys |
| 21:48.16 | JoshH | but i'm probably just naive |
| 21:49.36 | JoshH | unum: what's the occasion? |
| 21:51.20 | fozzmoo | http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/05/mavizens-electric-bike-hits-130-mph-ships-with-linux-and-wifi/ |
| 21:51.49 | unum | JoshH: a friend of mine is proposing |
| 21:52.08 | fozzmoo | unum: To you? |
| 21:52.15 | unum | fozzmoo: no |
| 21:52.35 | unum | I told him about trio, I think there's a place is the JS memorial building |
| 21:52.40 | unum | ooh the lion house |
| 21:52.53 | JoshH | don't send him to a place like that |
| 21:52.58 | unum | also the melting pot is nice, and plenty of time to talk.... |
| 21:53.02 | JoshH | for proposing, he should go to log haven |
| 21:53.10 | JoshH | or dennys |
| 21:53.21 | Jayce^ | waffle house |
| 21:53.28 | unum | you're all fire |
| 21:53.37 | Jayce^ | no, I'm mostly water |
| 21:53.47 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: And you're ugly., |
| 21:53.53 | Jayce^ | true dat |
| 21:53.59 | JoshH | http://www.log-haven.com/tour.html |
| 21:54.34 | fozzmoo | unum: Yeah- top floor of the JSM building is nice. |
| 21:55.00 | Jayce^ | overused though, same with the visitor center.. |
| 21:55.14 | Jayce^ | in college went there on a trip once, saw 6 proposals in 20 minutes |
| 21:55.34 | JoshH | Grilled Bison Rib-Eye Steak |
| 21:55.38 | JoshH | fried brussel sprouts, cherry wood bacon, parmesan pomme frites, |
| 21:55.38 | JoshH | rosemary-garlic bernaise, glace de veau |
| 21:56.16 | JoshH | Jayce^, wow |
| 21:56.20 | JoshH | that's a bit ridiculous |
| 21:56.28 | Jayce^ | seriously |
| 21:57.04 | JoshH | so is he going to whip out the ring during dinner, or something cool after? |
| 21:57.25 | mulicheng | put it in the soup, eat it, video.. instant youtube fame. |
| 21:57.30 | mulicheng | oh, that's been done. |
| 21:58.08 | unum | ya, I don't think I'm going to the slip it in the food/drink thing |
| 22:00.50 | JoshH | he should take her skydiving and propose in midair, hopefully without dropping the ring |
| 22:06.16 | sjansen | He should do something to get both of them arrested, then propose during booking. |
| 22:06.49 | elg | he should load it into a paintball gun and give her a welt to remember |
| 22:08.28 | Migs | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/19/dshocker_pleads_guilty/ |
| 22:09.44 | fozzmoo | ~cheer elg |
| 22:09.45 | ibot | ACTION cheers elg on |
| 22:41.06 | tensai | sjansen: I assume you know everything about openldap. do you know how to check on the status of syncrepl? |
| 22:41.58 | sjansen | s/know/knew/ |
| 22:42.38 | sjansen | Once upon a time I think I did, but I'd have to google now. |
| 22:42.57 | tensai | I'm finding a few things. hoped you knew of a good way. |
| 22:43.08 | tensai | apparently one of my slaves stopped and nobody noticed :( |
| 22:46.30 | fozzmoo | Slavery never works, tensai. |
| 22:54.01 | tensai | fozzmoo: tell that to the egyptians |
| 23:02.35 | sinuhe | #sgos |
| 23:02.41 | sinuhe | sigh |
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