| 00:00.34 | tensai | I'm using konsole instead of gnome-terminal |
| 00:05.18 | tyce_ | anyone know why my ssh-agent is weak under linux but strong under freebsd? |
| 00:05.54 | tyce_ | ie: it dies when I try to connect to more then like 300 servers under linux, but doesn't skip a beat on freebsd |
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| 00:29.06 | beelzebob | tyce_: I wish I knew :p |
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| 05:32.41 | bbeattie | I've got an odd problem I'm trying to solve. I have a linux install I've been using and I've now added a raid card. My root fs is on sda and the raid is sdb .... until I make a filesystem on sdb(on the raid card) then a reboot now makes the raid card sdb and my root FS/main disk is now sdb. If I deleted the partition on sdb it swaps back to the correct order (root fs on sda, and raid shows up as sdb). I've tried the pci=nosort option on boot and that /s |
| 05:53.40 | jalbretsen | bbeattie: try using filesystem labels instead of /dev/sd* for grub / fstab |
| 05:59.30 | bbeattie | I thought about that, but I'd prefer to avoid them... Call me old fasion.. |
| 06:03.57 | jalbretsen | they I definitely won't suggest using UUID's then... ;) |
| 06:07.04 | jalbretsen | using Labels or UUIDs is the only way I know to get around the fact that when it comes to /dev/sd*, when you boot, you can possibly get the drives detected in the order you don't expect. Put in a USB before boot.... a drive fails to be detected at boot.... |
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| 13:01.36 | eightyeight | bbeattie: what jake spoke is the higher way of approaching the problem |
| 13:02.00 | eightyeight | /dev/sd* has several drawbacks ,as you're discovering |
| 13:02.47 | eightyeight | using UUID= or LABEL= will fix your problem, and protect you from potential kernel issues that could keep your box from booting |
| 13:03.03 | eightyeight | such as was the case with 2.6.20 |
| 13:04.55 | eightyeight | tyce_: i've never tested ssh-agent with 300 boxen. i know it works for 80+ just fine though. what does strace say? |
| 13:05.29 | eightyeight | tyce_: further, what distro? |
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| 14:26.26 | goozbach | LABEL= is nice |
| 14:36.08 | tyce_ | debian, ubuntu, gentoo are the linux distros I've observed this problem on |
| 14:39.10 | fugue88 | I wonder if there's a keep-alive option that it can't keep up with? |
| 14:40.09 | fugue88 | You'd probably see very unresponsive sessions at that point. |
| 14:40.28 | tyce_ | the agent actual dies and I have to restart it |
| 14:40.40 | fugue88 | Oh, right, the agent. |
| 14:40.43 | fugue88 | Hmm.. |
| 14:41.35 | tyce_ | just odd that freesbd, OS X (built on bsd) and windows (I know shocking) in like a putty session work fine |
| 14:55.14 | eightyeight | it's even more intriguing to me, because debian builds the openbsd openssh-client source |
| 14:57.31 | beelzebob | tyce_: you should also point out that it happens with forwarding through another server |
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| 14:58.03 | beelzebob | ssh-agent -> jump server -> many machines |
| 14:59.33 | beelzebob | iirc, though, the following works: |
| 14:59.49 | beelzebob | windows machine with ssh-agent (pagent) -> jump server -> many machines |
| 14:59.57 | beelzebob | while this does not: |
| 15:00.09 | beelzebob | linux machine with ssh-agent -> jump server -> many machines |
| 15:37.04 | tyce_ | ^correct beelzebob |
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| 15:58.48 | Nafai | tyce_: I've had problems in the past with ssh-agent dying as well |
| 15:59.19 | Nafai | especially if I try to ssh to many machines in short succession (using dsh, for example) |
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| 16:03.58 | Nafai | similar situation to what beelzebob is describing too, going through another server first |
| 16:04.23 | Nafai | Never did figure out what the issue was |
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| 16:12.21 | tyce_ | Nafai: you had me excited for a second there when you said "I've had" |
| 16:12.32 | tyce_ | thought you had it figured out now :) |
| 16:12.37 | Nafai | Sorry :( |
| 16:12.56 | Nafai | I don't wok at the place where I was making that many connections any more, thus the past tense :( |
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| 16:28.38 | mulicheng | Any gluster users? |
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| 16:43.08 | fozzmoo | mulicheng: gluster is closed source? |
| 16:45.40 | mulicheng | http://gluster.com |
| 16:45.53 | mulicheng | gplv3 |
| 16:46.09 | fozzmoo | Oh, commercial support? |
| 16:46.30 | mulicheng | I guess, I haven't got to much into it. |
| 16:47.32 | mulicheng | it looks like it can do quite well what I'd like though. |
| 16:48.09 | mulicheng | I'd like 3-4 servers to be able to replicate some data, and tolerate if one of the servers needs to be rebooted. |
| 16:48.16 | mulicheng | (or crashes) |
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| 17:33.12 | rsimpkins | !ping jsmith |
| 17:33.26 | rsimpkins | ~ping jsmith |
| 17:33.27 | ibot | pong jsmith |
| 17:33.54 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Yes? |
| 17:55.03 | Lars-UT | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=8493803 |
| 17:55.34 | Lars-UT | "I don't know if somebody was watering this thing every day or what was going on, but it was a nice-looking marijuana plant" |
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| 18:01.40 | Lars-UT | Time to eat lunch & vote. |
| 18:01.44 | sontek | Whats a good but reasonably priced camera? |
| 18:01.55 | sontek | Want to get some good photos [: |
| 18:03.46 | stderr | Nikon D40 |
| 18:05.40 | sontek | stderr: That is reasonably priced, do you have examples of photos taken with it? |
| 18:05.40 | Lars-UT | sontek: go to Costco if you're looking for value, that way you can easily return the camera if you don't like it. The first thing I look for is high optical zoom. Buffer speed is important, because you want to be able to take flash pictures successively without long waits. |
| 18:05.49 | sontek | this is going to be my first real camera :) |
| 18:05.50 | sjansen | sontek: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0011ZK6PC <-- I've been happy with this. |
| 18:06.18 | stderr | sontek: Um, sure, one sec. |
| 18:06.20 | Lars-UT | You want point-and-shoot, something that will fit in your pocket? |
| 18:06.41 | sontek | Lars-UT: No, I want one with swappable lenses and everything |
| 18:06.43 | Cyberkruz | sontek: Nikon D40 is the DSLR that I have |
| 18:06.57 | sontek | Cyberkruz: That one does take decent photos |
| 18:07.11 | Cyberkruz | sontek: It supports nikon swappable lenses |
| 18:07.22 | stderr | sontek: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dataw0lf/2661995066/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/dataw0lf/2661171939/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/dataw0lf/2661162039/ |
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| 18:07.53 | stderr | that's with the D40 kit lens. That camera was stolen after I had had it only a month or so, and I upgraded afterward, so I don't have many pics with it. |
| 18:09.03 | sontek | stderr: http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11295865&search=Nikon%20D40&Mo=1&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-US&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Sp=S&N=5000043&whse=BC&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ne=4000000&D=Nikon%20D40&Ntt=Nikon%20D40&No=1&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1 |
| 18:09.08 | sontek | whoops |
| 18:09.09 | sontek | let me tiny that |
| 18:09.28 | sontek | stderr: http://bit.ly/2H9IhG |
| 18:10.16 | sontek | stderr: Does that come with the lens you had? |
| 18:10.22 | stderr | not a terrible price but I bet you could find those lenses and the body for a little cheaper |
| 18:10.31 | stderr | yea, the 18-55 is the kit lens that came with mine |
| 18:10.44 | sontek | They have just the cam for $469 |
| 18:11.24 | sontek | $469 includes the 18-55mm DX NIKKOR Lens |
| 18:11.57 | stderr | really depends on what you're going to be shooting |
| 18:12.25 | sontek | stderr: Naked pictures of redheads! |
| 18:12.27 | stderr | but if you want a good kit, may as well get the two lenses along with it. Be sure to buy some lens filters right off the bat, too. |
| 18:12.29 | sontek | stderr: I mean.. Europe |
| 18:12.33 | sontek | :P |
| 18:12.48 | sontek | I'm going to be traveling around Europe for the next 3 months, so I want good photos |
| 18:12.55 | stderr | ah nice |
| 18:13.03 | stderr | yea the 55-200 will probably come in handy, then. |
| 18:13.12 | sontek | What is the difference? |
| 18:14.24 | stderr | well the 55-200 has VR, for one, which will allow you to shoot in lowlight without a tripod (the lens is pretty slow) |
| 18:15.18 | stderr | if you want to get architectural photos from afar (perhaps something on a roof), you're going to need the 55-200 zoom |
| 18:15.35 | stderr | basically with the 55-200, you're going to be able to zoom in well and not have to worry about light too much |
| 18:15.53 | sontek | Yeah, i'm definitely going to get that =) |
| 18:16.00 | sontek | stderr: you are just a bundle of information! |
| 18:16.03 | sontek | hugs stderr |
| 18:16.23 | stderr | np |
| 18:18.21 | Sargun_Screen | is bored. |
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| 18:44.22 | Sargun_Screen | Anyone here done much 1080p videography/photography? |
| 18:45.23 | mulicheng | My video camera can do it, but I haven't done a lot with it. |
| 18:45.51 | Sargun_Screen | I'm running into a problem trying to capture my fire breathing. |
| 18:46.02 | Sargun_Screen | I don't have anyone who knows how to use a camera to capture stills. |
| 18:46.24 | fozzmoo | Hint: Don't breathe on the camera. ;-) |
| 18:46.32 | Sargun_Screen | So, I'm thinking of getting a 1080p camera, and then recording at a higher frame rate (60?), and then just extract theframes. |
| 18:46.36 | mulicheng | 1080p refers to the resolution, but it sounds to me like you are wanting a frame rate increase. |
| 18:46.38 | Sargun_Screen | fozzmoo: shutup, go back to your corner! |
| 18:46.44 | Sargun_Screen | mulicheng: that too. |
| 18:46.49 | Sargun_Screen | mulicheng: read above... |
| 18:47.30 | mulicheng | I don't know of any common cameras that can do that, but I haven't looked into it a lot. |
| 18:49.50 | Sargun_Screen | Hm, or I just need a photgrapher friend? |
| 18:51.04 | fozzmoo | Sargun_Screen: All you have is a video camcorder? No still camera? |
| 18:51.45 | fozzmoo | ~love Del Taco shredded beef combo burritos |
| 18:51.52 | ibot | If you love Del Taco shredded beef combo burritos so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 18:51.56 | Sargun_Screen | fozzmoo: I have a Cannon G9 as well |
| 18:52.19 | Sargun_Screen | and an old ass EOS digital rebel |
| 18:52.32 | fozzmoo | But you want to take advantage of video's multi-frame capture capabilities so you can choose the coolest shot? |
| 18:54.51 | Sargun_Screen | yeah... the EOS, and G9 have that capability (sport shot) |
| 18:56.56 | fozzmoo | http://failblog.org/2009/11/03/news-anchor-fail-3/ heh heh heh |
| 19:04.07 | JoshH | heh |
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| 19:09.13 | jlp_work | Why can't the Israeli's leave those poor lesbians alone? |
| 19:10.57 | Sargun_Screen | jlp_work: why can't the mormons leave those poor lesbians alone?/ |
| 19:11.24 | jlp_work | let's not start that again |
| 19:12.57 | Sargun_Screen | haha |
| 19:13.07 | mulicheng | I think it's a good idea for us to tackle world peace at least once a day. |
| 19:13.22 | Sargun_Screen | mulicheng: You mean total annihilation? |
| 19:13.36 | mulicheng | everyone but myself :P |
| 19:17.55 | ChrisAR | hullo |
| 19:17.56 | Migs | http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/politics/stories/mayor-proposes-paying-parents-not-to-breed |
| 19:50.53 | unum | anyone else watching that |
| 19:50.55 | unum | doh |
| 19:50.59 | unum | any else watching "white collar" |
| 19:51.10 | unum | and I mistyped it..... |
| 19:51.11 | harleypig | Yeah, I watched it. |
| 19:51.39 | unum | I like the part where he looks up all the stuff on his wife using the patriot act |
| 19:52.18 | unum | it's so realistic :) |
| 19:52.33 | harleypig | oh, it is! :D |
| 19:53.00 | harleypig | Migs: if you follow the link to the story on news.com.au you might find this link: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26280759-401,00.html |
| 19:53.41 | Lars-UT | unum: Read up on FISA and other titles by James Bamford for good info http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307279391 |
| 19:58.25 | Lars-UT | https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?id=443 |
| 19:59.30 | Lars-UT | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/11/congress-considers-state-secrets-reform-obama-admi |
| 19:59.37 | Lars-UT | Obama=Bush++ |
| 20:00.11 | mulicheng | wait, wait, he said change a lot though. |
| 20:03.11 | unum | and now he's released a statement saying everything is different |
| 20:03.23 | unum | he just continues to file the same papers in court..... |
| 20:03.37 | unum | I don't know that he's increased spying |
| 20:03.42 | unum | he just hasn't decreased |
| 20:03.56 | unum | and as of yet he hasn't tried to suspend habeas corpus |
| 20:04.06 | unum | so I think calling him worse than bush is unfair |
| 20:04.18 | unum | no weather hes worse than mccain is debatable, but we don't really know |
| 20:04.36 | unum | s/no/now |
| 20:06.24 | Lars-UT | unum: I'm speaking in the context of warrantless wiretaps - prove me wrong. |
| 20:07.29 | unum | Lars-UT: that he's increased the use of them? |
| 20:08.03 | Lars-UT | yawns at the spin |
| 20:08.11 | Lars-UT | Just go to the EFF link |
| 20:08.16 | sontek | Any president who calls Kanye West a jackass is a good president in my book. |
| 20:08.23 | stderr | Lars-UT: the spin? You have no idea what's behind the state secrets claim, either. |
| 20:08.34 | Lars-UT | "Because as the Obama Administration's filing in the Shubert case makes clear, no president . neither Bush, nor Obama, nor anyone who comes after . can be trusted to exercise self-restraint when it comes to state secrecy." |
| 20:08.43 | stderr | That's the whole point of the "state secrets" legal tactic. |
| 20:08.59 | unum | Lars-UT: I don't disagree with that statement |
| 20:09.25 | Lars-UT | unum: then what controls/changes have been implemented? |
| 20:10.17 | unum | Lars-UT: none |
| 20:10.20 | unum | that's my point |
| 20:10.24 | unum | you said he was worse |
| 20:10.27 | stderr | none _that you know of_ |
| 20:10.57 | stderr | Personally, I think the administration is wrong on this issue, but I think the source of the problem isn't as clear cut as "HYUK Obama=Bush++" |
| 20:10.59 | Lars-UT | not my knowledge - citing EFF |
| 20:11.07 | stderr | Obama needs to replace the director of the NSA, first off. |
| 20:11.09 | Lars-UT | and ongoing litigation |
| 20:11.22 | unum | assuming he's better or worse is biased |
| 20:11.26 | unum | we don't know |
| 20:11.45 | unum | I see no evidence either way in those links |
| 20:11.49 | Lars-UT | unum: lack of change on the status quo is a statement in itself |
| 20:11.54 | unum | in fact the second one repeatedly says no chang |
| 20:11.54 | unum | e |
| 20:11.56 | JoshH | bush = hitler and obama = bush so obama = hitler! |
| 20:12.16 | Lars-UT | ywans again |
| 20:12.49 | stderr | Obama didn't pass Executive Order 13233, and he certainly wasn't involved in the U.S. v. Reynolds. |
| 20:12.57 | unum | I fail to follow your argument that "bush implemented a bad policy, and obama has failed to change it in less than a year, there for he's worse" |
| 20:13.07 | unum | I'm not saying he's better |
| 20:13.20 | JoshH | i don't think it will ever be changed by any president |
| 20:13.26 | unum | I'm saying AFAIK he's the same |
| 20:13.38 | unum | JoshH: president nader :) |
| 20:13.41 | stderr | It's been less than a year. Sorting out the mess that Bush has left is going to take a long time. While I'm disappointed that Obama hasn't pushed for a congressional review of the precedent and the Executive Orders Bush passed, I'm willing to give him some rope to hang himself with. |
| 20:13.51 | JoshH | the government rarely fixes bad decisions or gives up authority |
| 20:13.56 | unum | actually president templeton |
| 20:13.59 | JoshH | so once one president does somethign like this, it stays that way |
| 20:14.18 | JoshH | people who supported the spying because they liked the president at the time were shortsighted |
| 20:14.30 | JoshH | how would they feel if hillary won the election and had a big spying program |
| 20:15.26 | JoshH | and what are we going to do after we catch osama and win the war on terror, just quit spying then since we don't need to anymore? |
| 20:16.24 | Lars-UT | There's a committe vote tomorrow on reigning in the Patriot Act - I'll go out on a limb and bet that there are no statements from the Executive Branch to support the same. |
| 20:16.37 | sjansen | Hopefully, but it won't be a presidential decision that changes things. It'll be congress finally growing a pair, if they ever do. |
| 20:17.25 | sjansen | The whole point of checks and balances is that the other two branches are supposed to be reigning in the executive. |
| 20:17.30 | JoshH | congress will never change it either |
| 20:17.57 | Lars-UT | USA PATRIOT Amendments Act of 2009 (HR 3845) and Rep. Nadler's State Secret Protection Act of 2009 (HR 984) |
| 20:18.12 | stderr | well I certainly think that Obama will take steps to remove the unitary executive theory moves Yoo & Co. made. I just think that since he's been elected he's been embattled to try to get the major areas the Dems voted him into office for fulfilled. |
| 20:18.23 | JoshH | maybe if americans voted for enough candidates that were serious about this stuff, but that also won't happen |
| 20:18.42 | unum | my family keeps voting for hatch |
| 20:18.49 | unum | there is NO getting throught to some people |
| 20:19.08 | Lars-UT | continues to wait for a statement on either one of those House resolutions from the White house - and thinks he'll be waiting a long time. |
| 20:19.10 | unum | actually I have one brother who voted libertarian, he's the only one I respect |
| 20:19.29 | Lars-UT | let's not get into specifics though. |
| 20:19.34 | unum | I wonder how matheson's going to vote |
| 20:19.37 | JoshH | i think i'm the only person in my family who votes |
| 20:19.56 | unum | Matheson generally votes poorly on these issues |
| 20:20.11 | unum | but atleast he doesn't make the awful statements that hatch does |
| 20:20.41 | Lars-UT | talking about current legislation and specific positions on the same(or the lack thereof) might actually shed some light on my Bush=Obama++ statement in the context of warrantless wiretapping |
| 20:20.56 | unum | my brother who voted libertarian is actually a state republican delegate, so he voted against everyone twice :) |
| 20:21.18 | Lars-UT | Hey, how 'bout them Jazz? |
| 20:22.00 | unum | Lars-UT: are you saying that Bush back congressional oversight? |
| 20:22.29 | stderr | Lars-UT: well, the Obama Administration has started giving the classified information in question to the judges presiding over said wiretapping claims. |
| 20:22.32 | stderr | Something the Bush Administration never did. |
| 20:22.37 | stderr | That's pretty important, no? |
| 20:22.53 | stderr | Especially since the state secrets privilege IS precedent, and HAS been used by every President since the 50s. |
| 20:24.01 | stderr | indeed, Holder said the judge would then decide whether the administration's claim was warranted, and "we will respect the outcome of that process." |
| 20:24.18 | Lars-UT | stderr: Then why not support continued restrictions or repeal of Patriot? |
| 20:24.37 | unum | Lars-UT: that's completely unrelated to the current argument |
| 20:24.38 | Lars-UT | Silence reigns. But I'd love to be wrong. |
| 20:24.42 | stderr | well, I'm certain they do, but I suspect they aren't being too vocal about it due to political reasons. |
| 20:24.58 | stderr | I don't know if you've noticed |
| 20:25.17 | stderr | but Obama is the head of a party trying to get some stuff done that they've been trying to accomplish for decades. |
| 20:25.19 | Lars-UT | HR 3845 & HR 984 are directly related to warrantless wiretapping |
| 20:25.42 | JoshH | liberals say that obama is exactly like bush and hasn't changed anything, and conservatives think that obama is letting the terrorists win and doing nothing to keep us safe |
| 20:25.48 | stderr | the head of a party where anything they do in the intelligence or military area is attacked as being "FER DA TURRORISTS!" |
| 20:26.00 | jsmith | JoshH: And what do the Radical Moderates think? |
| 20:26.18 | JoshH | that he's a radical black christian secret muslim atheist |
| 20:26.26 | Lars-UT | unum: "The Judiciary Committee will also be considering the State Secret Protection Act of 2009 (HR 984), a long-delayed effort by Representative Nadler and 23 co-sponsors to rein in Executive abuses of the state secrets privilege -- a legal doctrine used by the government to withhold evidence from courts and litigants whenever it thinks disclosure might harm national security." |
| 20:26.39 | Lars-UT | unum: How is that unrelated? |
| 20:26.56 | unum | Lars-UT: I thought the argument was about weather he is worse or not |
| 20:27.10 | Lars-UT | unum: Sorry, that would be subjective. |
| 20:27.13 | unum | since bush actively fought fixing those things, why is obama worse for not trying to fik them |
| 20:27.15 | stderr | Lars-UT: How do you know Obama doesn't support that? |
| 20:27.30 | Lars-UT | stderr: How do you know he does? |
| 20:27.32 | stderr | He's the head of the party that has all of but one cosponsor on the bill |
| 20:27.57 | unum | Lars-UT: you made a statement that Obama was worse on the spying issue |
| 20:28.00 | Lars-UT | waits again for a statement from the president on the same |
| 20:28.04 | stderr | Obama is in a bitter battle right now, on multiple fronts. He's probably orchestrating behind the scenes so he doesn't have yet another public stance to fight currently. |
| 20:28.07 | unum | atleast that is how I interpeted it |
| 20:28.27 | stderr | Lars-UT: what do you think the Republicans would do if he did become an ardent public supporter of that bill? |
| 20:28.39 | Lars-UT | stderr: Why would I care? |
| 20:28.49 | stderr | Lars-UT: because the chances of it passing would drop dramatically... |
| 20:29.01 | stderr | do... do you understand the political process? |
| 20:29.34 | Lars-UT | When Republican & Democratic presidents agree, be worried. |
| 20:29.36 | stderr | have you noticed how the Republicans have organized to fight anything that Obama does? |
| 20:30.06 | unum | it's true, the republican party's only current principle is "defeat obama" |
| 20:30.10 | stderr | I think it goes beyond mere disagreement - and I'm pretty sure you've noticed that. |
| 20:30.26 | stderr | (hopefully) |
| 20:30.42 | Lars-UT | stderr: so what was the argument again? |
| 20:31.01 | Lars-UT | go UTEs! |
| 20:31.13 | stderr | Lars-UT: your lone argument is that OMG OBAMA HASN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!! |
| 20:31.16 | Lars-UT | Hey, look, a squirrel! |
| 20:31.24 | Jayce^ | ~emulate gir |
| 20:31.40 | ibot | where's my moose? |
| 20:31.40 | stderr | and then you present a bill that was written by a radical liberal democrat and cosponsored by radical liberal democrats that one can only assume Barack Obama communicates with. |
| 20:31.45 | unum | I'm more concerned about what matheson said about it |
| 20:31.53 | unum | after all my vote for or against him may count |
| 20:33.01 | stderr | which shows extreme naiveity in the way politics works, especially the GOP attack machine - or an intentional ignorance because you want to compare Obama to Bush. |
| 20:33.13 | stderr | You choose. |
| 20:33.22 | goozbach | dude i cant leave the parkinglot |
| 20:33.37 | unum | goozbach: why not? |
| 20:35.44 | Lars-UT | recognizes one of his favorite logical fallacies - the false dichotomy |
| 20:36.39 | unum | stderr: I think he may have abandoned his earlier claim in favor of a new one |
| 20:36.47 | unum | but quite honestly I'm lost |
| 20:37.14 | Lars-UT | thinks he'll have to reference some more specifics |
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| 20:37.28 | stderr | Lars-UT: So, to summarize, you _don't_ think that the Obama administration supplying the judge in the case at hand with the associated classified material and allowing the judge him/herself to decide whether it has merit - is better than the Bush administration denying the release of information to the judge and then ordering them to close the case. |
| 20:37.39 | stderr | Do you think that's better? |
| 20:37.41 | stderr | Or not. |
| 20:37.45 | unum | Lars-UT: I think you need to restate your thesis |
| 20:38.03 | unum | maybe with out mathmatical symbols |
| 20:38.13 | unum | I may have misinterpeted you |
| 20:38.22 | unum | s/you/them |
| 20:39.20 | stderr | I don't think he has much of a point. He became outraged at an EFF press release that likened Obama to Bush and hurriedly compared the two in here, with a crowing sound of triumph (I can only assume, I don't have a mic in Lars house - yet) |
| 20:39.43 | unum | well I brought up the issue |
| 20:40.02 | unum | I was just commenting that officials are *currently* abusing their powers |
| 20:40.32 | unum | then he made the comparison, I thought claiming that it was now worse |
| 20:40.52 | unum | but has yet to show any proof that it's worse |
| 20:41.10 | stderr | yes, he claimed it was now worse. Then he stated to show how anything the Obama administration was doing was different than Bush (a bit of a weakening of his stance, but whatever). I just provided him with that requested information. He hasn't addressed it yet. |
| 20:42.50 | stderr | Now, I'm all for house resolutions to address the widening of the state secrets privilege that the Bush administration performed methodically, but Obama not publically talking about it doesn't necessarily mean he's against it. I certainly think that if you look at it politically, it's probably better that he doesn't, since the GOP would drive a wedge in the house on the matter (moreso then they're already going to do, one can assume) to try to had Obama ... |
| 20:42.55 | Jayce^ | laughs at the backchannel observations |
| 20:42.56 | stderr | ... another "defeat". |
| 20:43.03 | Lars-UT | let's see, there's that troublesome vote for telecom immunity... |
| 20:43.15 | Jayce^ | a usual #utah spread |
| 20:43.16 | unum | Lars-UT: that bush pushed for |
| 20:43.17 | Lars-UT | wait, that was before presidency though |
| 20:43.29 | unum | Lars-UT: your thesis is that he's worse |
| 20:43.34 | Lars-UT | unum: which proves my point |
| 20:43.35 | unum | not that he's the same |
| 20:43.47 | unum | how does him voting for a bill that bush asked for make him worse? |
| 20:43.52 | unum | bush supported it as well |
| 20:44.02 | Lars-UT | Obama administration backs telecom immunity |
| 20:44.04 | Lars-UT | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/26/BADF165O4N.DTL |
| 20:44.09 | unum | Lars-UT: so did bush |
| 20:44.17 | Lars-UT | wait, that's after being president. |
| 20:44.18 | stderr | Lars-UT: you still haven't addressed my question. Will you? And I will address the telecom immunity issue. |
| 20:44.19 | unum | how does this make obama worse? |
| 20:44.42 | unum | I just want an example of where Obama has pushed for more than bush has |
| 20:44.47 | stderr | You can't keep changing the current issue without addressing any of ours and then expect that we will still address yours. |
| 20:44.53 | Lars-UT | by continuing to support a policy he promised to fight against |
| 20:45.05 | unum | oh. |
| 20:45.08 | Lars-UT | Bush was consistent in his abuses |
| 20:45.17 | Lars-UT | consistently flawed. |
| 20:45.29 | unum | so you're not saying that he has sought more spying power than bush or that he spyed more than bush |
| 20:45.41 | Lars-UT | While campaigning against President George W. Bush, Barack Obama had pledged that there would be "no more wiretapping of American citizens," but Obama's administration has continued to use many of his predecessor's arguments when it comes to warrantless wiretapping. |
| 20:45.51 | Lars-UT | oh, better cite that... |
| 20:45.58 | unum | ok. well know I understand what you are saying |
| 20:46.00 | Lars-UT | http://www.pcworld.com/article/168502/obama_administration_defends_bush_wiretapping.html |
| 20:46.02 | unum | s/know/now |
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| 20:46.07 | unum | I know he did that |
| 20:46.25 | unum | you don't need to quote it to me. I just misunderstood the basis of your claim. |
| 20:46.37 | Lars-UT | Maybe I need to understand the context of "no more wiretapping of American citizens" ? |
| 20:47.00 | stderr | Bah, you won't address anything that I fucking say. |
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| 20:47.27 | unum | saying someone is doing more spying and saying someone is a hypocrit are two different things |
| 20:47.56 | unum | if you had said obama is a worse hippocrit than bush I wouldn't have argued with you |
| 20:47.57 | Jayce^ | ~language stderr |
| 20:47.58 | ibot | ACTION grabs stderr by the ear and washes stderr's mouth out with soap |
| 20:47.58 | Lars-UT | unum: then invert my argument and tell me how it makes him better |
| 20:48.09 | unum | Lars-UT: I have never claimed he was better |
| 20:48.26 | unum | I just said I was unaware of any evidence that spying had increased |
| 20:48.28 | Lars-UT | unum: nope, you didn't. |
| 20:48.47 | unum | Lars-UT: ok. quote back to me where I said obama was better about spying |
| 20:49.05 | unum | I think I repeatedly said they were the same |
| 20:49.12 | unum | as far as we know |
| 20:49.14 | Jayce^ | unum: you've claimed it many times :) just not right then |
| 20:49.17 | Lars-UT | I claim that the hypocrisy combined with inaction makes him worse in the warrantless wiretapping context |
| 20:49.31 | unum | Jayce^: search your history and find it once |
| 20:49.31 | Jayce^ | (current discussion vs alternative threads, of course) |
| 20:49.45 | Jayce^ | Lars-UT: agreed (on that subject) |
| 20:50.05 | unum | Lars-UT: well ok, I wish you would have said that in the first place |
| 20:50.05 | Jayce^ | as for increase, we can't know yet |
| 20:50.14 | Jayce^ | applauds the eff again |
| 20:50.37 | Lars-UT | aseconds the applause to the EFF |
| 20:50.54 | Lars-UT | s/aseconds/seconds |
| 20:51.43 | Lars-UT | Bah, the EFF... they're just a bunch of anti-liberals |
| 20:51.55 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 20:52.10 | Lars-UT | s/liberals/conservatives |
| 20:52.18 | Lars-UT | er, I mean... |
| 20:52.21 | unum | I'd still like to see where I have ever said bush is not as bad as obama |
| 20:52.23 | Jayce^ | anti-stupidity :) |
| 20:52.28 | unum | you can search your whole history :) |
| 20:52.33 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: agreed |
| 20:52.42 | Jayce^ | unum, you just reversed that |
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| 20:52.55 | unum | Jayce^: you're right, that was an accident |
| 20:53.01 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 20:53.04 | unum | I am bad at typing so maybe I did type it..... |
| 20:53.10 | mulicheng | Is the argument about how bad Obama is? |
| 20:54.21 | unum | mulicheng: the argument is about weather he is worse about spying than bush |
| 20:54.44 | unum | there are those who believe he promised to end it(and has not done anything significant to do so) he is worse |
| 20:54.54 | Jayce^ | hrm, sheldon or bent objects Christmas cards.... both are full of awesome |
| 20:54.54 | unum | I worded that wrong |
| 20:55.05 | unum | s/he/since he |
| 20:55.17 | jlp_work | wait a minute... what are we talking about here? I've seen "Obama=Bush++" and "Bush=Obama++". now, I think those are different. the first one assigns bush's value to obama and then autoincrements bush, while the second one does the opposite. |
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| 20:55.59 | Jayce^ | unum: I think lars is boiling down to hypocrisy + evil > evil |
| 20:56.13 | jlp_work | but is > better or worse? |
| 20:56.35 | Lars-UT | chauckles because this reminds him of a similar Google argument |
| 20:56.51 | Lars-UT | jlp_work: I claim that the hypocrisy combined with inaction makes him worse in the warrantless wiretapping context |
| 20:57.24 | Lars-UT | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/dont-be-evil-means-dont-be-evil# |
| 20:59.29 | Lars-UT | here's some cool tech behind those warrantless wiretaps... |
| 20:59.30 | Lars-UT | "Narus' product, the Semantic Traffic Analyzer, is a software application that runs on standard IBM or Dell servers using the Linux operating system. It's renowned within certain circles for its ability to inspect traffic in real time on high-bandwidth pipes, identifying packets of interest as they race by at up to 10 Gbps." |
| 20:59.35 | Lars-UT | http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/05/70914 |
| 21:02.16 | Migs | http://cleverbot.com/ |
| 21:04.54 | Lars-UT | EFF: Privacy - Surveillance & Wiretapping Archive http://w2.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/ |
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| 21:08.15 | Lars-UT | ~echelon fodder |
| 21:08.17 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, echelon fodder is Bush, Uranium, Dirty Bomb, Jihad, Allah Akbar, TNT, Rent a van, assassination , NSA, wiretaps, sleeper cell, suicide bomb, vest, Oklahoma City, Waco, revenge, anthrax, virgins, fuse, great celebration, July 4th, detcord, martyr, timer, backpack, subway. Ruby Ridge, or kill all infidels |
| 21:08.34 | Lars-UT | need to update that one |
| 21:09.38 | unum | why can't people provide links in their emails |
| 21:09.40 | unum | seriously |
| 21:09.50 | unum | goes back to reading snopes |
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| 21:12.52 | Lars-UT | S. 1692: USA PATRIOT Act Sunset Extension Act of 2009 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-1692 |
| 21:12.55 | Lars-UT | Argh. |
| 21:13.27 | unum | need hatch's phone number? |
| 21:13.30 | unum | how about bennet? |
| 21:13.34 | unum | or matheson? |
| 21:13.52 | unum | I wonder how freak-o-libertarian stands on that bill |
| 21:13.56 | unum | that would be interesting to know |
| 21:14.16 | Lars-UT | Sponsor: Sen. Patrick Leahy [D-VT] CoSponsors: Benjamin Cardin [D-MD] Dianne Feinstein [D-CA] Edward Kaufman [D-DE] Amy Klobuchar [D-MN] Bernard Sanders [I-VT] Sheldon Whitehouse [D-RI] |
| 21:14.27 | unum | or shurtluft |
| 21:14.46 | unum | let's see which wing of the "conservative" party they belong to |
| 21:15.07 | unum | wow, those are all radicals |
| 21:15.19 | unum | well sanders and feinstein |
| 21:15.25 | unum | I don't know much about the others |
| 21:16.06 | unum | someone call chaffetz and get his stance :) |
| 21:16.37 | unum | of course it's in the senate |
| 21:16.59 | unum | oh wait those are all trying to extend it? |
| 21:17.00 | elg | sjansen: did you cross post that to UUG? Or did you get your lists confused? |
| 21:17.04 | unum | that's weird |
| 21:17.28 | sjansen | oops |
| 21:17.34 | elg | I should post it to UUG... |
| 21:17.43 | elg | but I'd have to join probably. want to forward it for me? |
| 21:18.39 | unum | I really hate it when the parties do this |
| 21:18.55 | Lars-UT | unum: me too. |
| 21:18.56 | unum | this is actually what makes me more suspicious of the spying than anything else |
| 21:19.18 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:19.18 | ibot | slams sjansen against a large cement Tux |
| 21:19.23 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 21:19.23 | ibot | strangles elg with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 21:19.24 | unum | who ever has the white house thinks spying is great, who ever doesn't have it thinks it the worst evil ever |
| 21:19.33 | sjansen | ~punish emcnabb |
| 21:19.34 | ibot | ACTION forces emcnabb to install and use Windows |
| 21:19.47 | unum | of course now the question is which stance does matheson take? |
| 21:19.58 | unum | I hope he flips with the republicans |
| 21:20.25 | Lars-UT | The Patriot Act needs to go away. |
| 21:20.40 | Lars-UT | quickly into the sunset. |
| 21:20.49 | Lars-UT | not _extended_! |
| 21:21.18 | sjansen | s/Patriot/Traitor/ |
| 21:22.09 | emcnabb | Lars-UT, we have to keep our country safe from people like sjansen |
| 21:22.49 | emcnabb | I'm willing to give up all rights to get sjansen off the street |
| 21:23.41 | sjansen | Watch it or I'll be forced to active one of my Geek Squad sleeper cells to install Windows on all you electronics, including your dishwasher. |
| 21:23.52 | unum | if you're not dating an nsa agent or dealing drugs you are safe from most of those things :) |
| 21:24.09 | sjansen | or a journalist |
| 21:24.20 | unum | although I find it VERY hard to believe they are not spying on political opponents |
| 21:24.22 | sjansen | or a protester |
| 21:24.25 | emcnabb | sjansen, I don't think that could make my dishwasher run any worse |
| 21:24.34 | sjansen | or a library user |
| 21:24.51 | unum | a bunch of students at USU had a cia file opened on them for hosting a peace protest |
| 21:25.06 | unum | my mom said those are exactly the sort of people who are going to blow something up |
| 21:25.07 | Jayce^ | it's always fun when my blog gets spidered by locations such a VA |
| 21:25.18 | unum | one of us is very unclear on the idea of peace |
| 21:25.36 | Lars-UT | just read the phrase Geek Squad sleeper cells |
| 21:25.38 | Lars-UT | sjansen.geekpoints++ |
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| 21:34.07 | jsmith | Jayce^: What's wrong with your site getting spidered from... Virginia? ;-) |
| 21:34.38 | jsmith | Jayce^: It's Maryland you need to watch out for... |
| 21:34.56 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 21:34.57 | jsmith | Jayce^: (Until it starts getting spidered from Camp Williams) |
| 21:35.26 | Jayce^ | yeah, given the average tech there, not too worried |
| 21:35.30 | unum | that's true |
| 21:35.39 | unum | Jayce^: haven't you heard the news |
| 21:35.47 | Jayce^ | but when the airport facility opens... |
| 21:35.48 | unum | NSA is setting up shop in our back yard |
| 21:35.59 | Jayce^ | yeah, the 'airport' one |
| 21:36.07 | unum | uh that already is there |
| 21:36.22 | unum | where they fly up in the planes and eaves drop? |
| 21:36.27 | unum | that's been there for years |
| 21:36.33 | unum | they are setting up a data center |
| 21:37.13 | Jayce^ | the data center is still often (in docs that I've been reading) referenced as part of the airport facility (extension, what have you) |
| 21:37.31 | jsmith | Jayce^: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/07/r2e-nsas-power--and-money-sucking-datacenter-buildout-continues.ars |
| 21:38.33 | jsmith | Jayce^: http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/10/30/more-on-the-nsa-utah-data-center/ |
| 21:38.51 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.13 | Jayce^ | last I saw it was still going more north... now I can spot on the development |
| 21:39.27 | jsmith | ~eschelon Jayce^ |
| 21:40.11 | elg | summons the sinister black helicopters |
| 21:40.17 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 21:40.22 | fozzmoo | elg: Those are so cool. |
| 21:40.23 | Jayce^ | meh, they fly over my house all the time |
| 21:40.44 | elg | those are the slightly-less-sinister national guard helicopters |
| 21:40.46 | unum | grew up under f16 |
| 21:40.52 | unum | s |
| 21:41.01 | elg | you grew up under an f16? |
| 21:41.06 | unum | pretty much |
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| 21:41.08 | jsmith | Jayce^: Not as much as they fly over mine... |
| 21:41.33 | fozzmoo | In the backwash. |
| 21:41.33 | elg | definitely cooler than living under a bridge. |
| 21:41.33 | Jayce^ | grew up over tridents :-p |
| 21:41.33 | jsmith | Jayce^: And you don't have "munitions training" flights over your house :-) |
| 21:41.33 | unum | under the landing path for the f16s at hill air force base |
| 21:41.41 | jsmith | gets a weekly email from his county identifying the days when they're going to rattle the windows |
| 21:41.42 | Jayce^ | jsmith: nah, though the artillery range is right there... training weekends are fun to watch |
| 21:41.54 | unum | my schools were all under the take off path |
| 21:42.15 | fozzmoo | unum: Is this why you hate Orrin Hatch so much? |
| 21:42.17 | unum | the teachers would have to pause |
| 21:42.31 | Jayce^ | we used to tell people the fun thing to do in town was go watch the torpedo tests.... |
| 21:42.45 | unum | fozzmoo: no I hate him because he sat on the sub committee for ip law for so long and only made it worse |
| 21:43.11 | fozzmoo | unum: Come on. Be truthful. You hate him because he kept funds coming into Utah for Hill and that made your teachers pause and stuff. |
| 21:43.13 | Jayce^ | most didnt' get it |
| 21:43.55 | unum | fozzmoo: the majority of my family works there, though not that there's a lot of love lossed there |
| 21:43.57 | fozzmoo | unum: HE RUINED YOUR CHILDHOOD! |
| 21:44.10 | Jayce^ | snorts |
| 21:44.14 | sjansen | fozzmoo: unum hates Hatch 'cause he's still afraid he'll give the RIAA permission to firebomb his home for using Napster |
| 21:44.39 | Jayce^ | sjansen: no, I think he actually bought hatch's album, and wants his money back now |
| 21:44.51 | unum | sjansen: bittorrent for my dsl distro |
| 21:44.57 | unum | ug |
| 21:46.35 | Lars-UT | unum: we have something in common. But I grew up w/SR-71s flying overhead. |
| 21:46.57 | jlp_work | Lars-UT: Okinawa? |
| 21:46.58 | sjansen | unum: Did you _listen_ to Hatch's album? Have you retained council? If you can't get local courts to hear you, I'm sure an international tribunal would be interested to hear your story. |
| 21:47.10 | Lars-UT | jlp_work: That was in northern CA, at Beale AFB |
| 21:47.16 | jlp_work | ahh |
| 21:47.33 | jlp_work | I saw an SR-71 take off once. pretty impressive |
| 21:47.51 | Jayce^ | a ball of flame? :) |
| 21:47.58 | jlp_work | loud and fast |
| 21:48.02 | Jayce^ | leaking fuel |
| 21:48.03 | Lars-UT | If the washer was on the spin cycle it'd rattle a bit as they flew by. |
| 21:48.09 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: yep |
| 21:48.09 | unum | I remember when one almost crash landed in salt lake |
| 21:48.12 | unum | I heard the boom |
| 21:48.34 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: they refueled soon after takeoff |
| 21:48.46 | Jayce^ | yup, after the pieces fit together |
| 21:48.47 | unum | which was one crazy act |
| 21:48.53 | unum | the tanker flying as fast as it could |
| 21:49.01 | unum | the sr-71 flying as slow as it could |
| 21:49.03 | jlp_work | Jayce^: yeah, but the fuel wasn't that flammable at room temperature :-) you couldn't light it with a match |
| 21:49.16 | Lars-UT | amazing Titanium engineering. |
| 21:49.19 | Jayce^ | right, otherwise there woulda been a lot more problems |
| 21:49.32 | Jayce^ | Lars-UT: its' all about the ball-bearings nowadays |
| 21:50.39 | Lars-UT | Fletch alert |
| 21:51.07 | unum | purchased from russia |
| 21:51.22 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: The other day I realized a few hours after leaving my terminal that you had a Brisco County Jr reference as well |
| 21:51.24 | ChrisAR | hmm, I'd like to be back in Utah for a while |
| 21:51.37 | unum | wait what? |
| 21:51.42 | unum | someone watched that besides me? |
| 21:51.48 | unum | oooh can I get that on hulu? |
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| 21:54.02 | unum | I didn't realize that was bruce campbell |
| 21:54.14 | Lars-UT | unum: Aww yeah |
| 21:54.44 | fozzmoo | Sheesh. My latest order from New Egg is shipping DHL-USPS. |
| 21:55.03 | fozzmoo | Means my tracking info will probably become available a couple days after it's been delivered. |
| 21:55.06 | Jayce^ | same reason burn notice is awesome... bruce |
| 21:55.37 | unum | no one touches petes piece |
| 21:58.27 | Jayce^ | adds brisco to the queue on netflix |
| 21:58.33 | Jayce^ | been a while |
| 21:59.31 | Jayce^ | hrm, hadn't heard of 'jack of all trades'... |
| 22:03.01 | Nafai | have I mentioned that sometimes talking with recruiters sucks? |
| 22:03.15 | Jayce^ | "sometimes" ?? |
| 22:03.23 | Nafai | okay, all the time |
| 22:03.26 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 22:03.32 | fozzmoo | There are a couple cool recruiters here in utah. |
| 22:04.05 | Lars-UT | fozzmoo: who? |
| 22:04.12 | Lars-UT | http://chaos.com/product/discovery_channel_great_planes_lockheed_sr71_blackbird_492817_184390.html |
| 22:04.24 | Nafai | I just talked to one that got hung up that I was asking about a dev position even though I was a system administrator, even though I explained my primary role at my last job was development, I just did some admin |
| 22:04.27 | fozzmoo | Well, there's that UtahTechJobs.com guy |
| 22:04.47 | fozzmoo | He seems pretty plugged in. |
| 22:04.48 | Migs | recruiters don't hound me anymore since the recession |
| 22:04.52 | Migs | it's kind of nice |
| 22:05.02 | Migs | I used to get calls almost every day...it was really annoying |
| 22:05.20 | fozzmoo | And this Jim Wright guy that's posted on PLUG. He gets kudos for that. |
| 22:05.21 | Lars-UT | fozzmoo: I thought he signed on with another company - don't see him at CTO Breakfasts anymore. |
| 22:05.25 | elg | Nafai: sounds like you might be a good fit for the ops engineering team here |
| 22:05.25 | unum | I had one two weeks ago. he was looking for a python guy in salt lake |
| 22:05.44 | Jayce^ | he was with omniture for a while, left a bit before the adobe thing though... think he's solo now |
| 22:05.44 | fozzmoo | Nafai: Yeah. Go to FB! |
| 22:05.46 | Jayce^ | rob merrill |
| 22:05.49 | Lars-UT | fozzmoo: I'm referring to Robert Merrill |
| 22:05.51 | fozzmoo | Yeah. Rob |
| 22:06.03 | Jayce^ | elg: so what's your referral bonus? |
| 22:06.05 | Lars-UT | lost by 2 seconds |
| 22:06.17 | elg | 5k |
| 22:06.24 | Jayce^ | no wonder :) |
| 22:06.28 | Lars-UT | elg: That's a good bonus |
| 22:06.50 | fozzmoo | elg: You wanna split that with me? :) |
| 22:06.53 | Nafai | elg: Where do you work? |
| 22:06.58 | elg | facebook |
| 22:06.58 | Lars-UT | Makes sense to offer a substantial referral bonus |
| 22:07.08 | fozzmoo | Nafai: Are you not ont he PLUG list? |
| 22:07.15 | Nafai | nope |
| 22:07.21 | Nafai | woah, you work for facebook? |
| 22:07.24 | fozzmoo | Nafai: You should consider subscribing. |
| 22:07.26 | Nafai | live here in utah? |
| 22:07.31 | elg | no, I'm in CA |
| 22:07.32 | fozzmoo | Nafai: nope. Bay area. |
| 22:07.34 | elg | before that I was in NM |
| 22:07.45 | Nafai | Oh :( |
| 22:07.46 | elg | before that I was in Utah. I promise I was once |
| 22:07.50 | fozzmoo | Baking bread with hot rocks. |
| 22:07.56 | Nafai | I kind of can't move at the moment |
| 22:08.05 | tensai | tied up? |
| 22:08.19 | elg | with duct tape? |
| 22:08.19 | Jayce^ | paralysis? |
| 22:08.36 | Nafai | heh |
| 22:08.39 | elg | that's the pig problem with my referrals. all my peeps are pretty much settled (most of them in Utah) |
| 22:08.49 | Migs | time to find some new peeps |
| 22:08.51 | elg | so I'm not going to get rich off of referral bonuses after all |
| 22:08.57 | fozzmoo | Yeah- I've talked to two recruiters from FB. |
| 22:08.58 | Nafai | My wife is trying to finish up her degree at BYU |
| 22:09.03 | fozzmoo | Would love to go there, but they need to come here. |
| 22:09.05 | Nafai | It would be fun to work there |
| 22:09.11 | Nafai | But, yeah. :( |
| 22:09.20 | elg | how much longer does she have? |
| 22:09.25 | Nafai | couple years |
| 22:09.33 | Jayce^ | elg: yeah, can you imagine me in palo alto? I mean *really*? |
| 22:09.40 | Nafai | elg: are you related to Jacob Fugal? |
| 22:09.46 | elg | my brother |
| 22:09.53 | Nafai | cool |
| 22:09.59 | elg | Jayce^: you could live in the hills |
| 22:10.04 | Nafai | Up until 3 weeks ago I worked with him at Mozy |
| 22:10.05 | fozzmoo | Nafai: and he's related to Von, the libertarian. |
| 22:10.11 | elg | heh |
| 22:10.12 | Nafai | Well, I was in ops, he was in eng, but yeah |
| 22:10.35 | elg | there are conservative pockets here |
| 22:10.40 | tensai | recalls the great mcnabb/fugal wars of yesteryear |
| 22:11.08 | tensai | elg: prop 8 did pass after all |
| 22:11.09 | fozzmoo | Well, dang it, I don't think that 2:30 call is going ot happen. |
| 22:11.29 | fozzmoo | runs out of the room |
| 22:12.22 | JoshH | Jayce^: i can only imagine you in la verkin actually, eagle mountain seems too liberal for you |
| 22:12.42 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: You should put an anti-UN sign in your yard. :) |
| 22:12.48 | Jayce^ | oooh |
| 22:12.48 | fozzmoo | Then it'd be just like La Verkin. |
| 22:13.36 | JoshH | keep those blue helmeted shock troopers out of your yard |
| 22:14.15 | tensai | JoshH: I'd like a No Vogons sign |
| 22:14.28 | Jayce^ | tensai: that works too |
| 22:14.54 | JoshH | that would be pretty excellent |
| 22:15.18 | JoshH | i should put a no droids sign next to my home bar |
| 22:15.35 | Jayce^ | but then you'd need to have it wave side to side, slowly.. |
| 22:15.49 | Jayce^ | these aren't the droids... |
| 22:16.58 | unum | wants a droid |
| 22:17.00 | unum | friday! |
| 22:17.14 | unum | though i'll probably wait until I can aford a data plan |
| 22:18.07 | Jayce^ | "wait till you can afford" watch out, that's sensible talk! |
| 22:26.10 | unum | that's not how a patriot talks |
| 22:26.14 | unum | echolon has me now |
| 22:32.31 | Jayce^ | e-colon? eww |
| 22:33.07 | fozzmoo | "Now your doctor and your loved ones can monitor your bowel movements!" |
| 22:33.28 | fozzmoo | "Order in the next five minutes and we'll include this handy carrying pouch." |
| 22:38.51 | sjansen | Jayce^: Jack of All Trades is light and fun. Kinda too bad it ended so quickly. |
| 22:41.37 | unum | remeber to vote today |
| 22:43.10 | mulicheng | I voted |
| 22:43.38 | mulicheng | There were no lines. I bet the turnout is < 5% |
| 22:43.50 | mulicheng | maybe maybe 10% |
| 22:43.53 | mulicheng | guess we'll see. |
| 22:50.34 | tensai | I had to boot up my XP box today. first time in 3 years. |
| 22:54.47 | sontek | I didn't vote |
| 22:55.20 | unum | sontek: the polls aren't closed yet |
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| 23:04.04 | Nafai | I didn't vote because I have been lazy and haven't got around to registering since I moved to my new location |
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| 23:07.13 | tensai | idaho++ for voting day registration |
| 23:17.33 | tensai | so apparently I've missed out on 51 critical windows updates since I last booted this machine |
| 23:22.11 | unum | tensai: ya, we need to get that here |
| 23:22.22 | unum | the republicans won't even consider it |
| 23:29.04 | tristanbob | http://blogs.sltrib.com/cheap/index.php?p=5134&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 |
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| 23:41.01 | sjansen | Dunno. If you can't be bothered to register until the day of the election... |
| 23:41.51 | sjansen | And the registration fraud during the last presidential election doesn't do much to help your case either. |
| 23:42.19 | tensai | sjansen: I voted for karzai all 400,000 times, fair and square |
| 23:42.25 | Nafai | wait |
| 23:42.30 | Nafai | just the last one? |
| 23:44.07 | JoshH | i think we should be able to vote online |
| 23:48.53 | unum | votes by mail |
| 23:48.59 | unum | take that you evil machines!!! |
| 23:53.06 | jalbretsen | voting machines == Terminators? |