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| 02:01.17 | bonez46 | I am hoping to grab the 9.10 ubuntu desktop .iso.. but ktorrent is not behaving.. what other torrent apps do you all like? |
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| 02:09.02 | TehLaser | rtorrent is good for one-offs. |
| 02:09.32 | TehLaser | deluge is good for an always-on setup. |
| 02:09.47 | TehLaser | is a bit of a console freak though. |
| 02:11.19 | bonez46 | I rarely download torrents so I'll give rtorrent a try |
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| 02:33.13 | bonez46 | any of you running ubuntu... and have upgraded to 9.10? just curious what experience has been with this |
| 02:56.01 | TehLaser | is still on 8.04 |
| 03:03.37 | sinuhe | bonez46: My wife upgraded last night with no problems, and with the solution to a couple problems she'd had with 9.04. |
| 03:05.50 | bonez46 | sinuhe: did she just do the "update-manager -d" routine, outlined on the ubuntu site? |
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| 03:11.46 | sinuhe | bonez46: Yes |
| 03:12.16 | sinuhe | bonez46: She's followed that upgrade path since 8.04. |
| 03:14.11 | bonez46 | today is the first I have learned about it.. new to me.. but I'll give it a try.. |
| 03:15.16 | sinuhe | It wasn't very successful with 8.04 to 8.10. It's got better since then. |
| 03:15.18 | eightyeight | tires of the bickering on plug. didn't we graduate from junior high school yet? |
| 03:15.23 | bonez46 | it's cool you have your wife running linux.. my wife's still skeptical.. |
| 03:15.53 | sinuhe | bonez46: I've been working with her on that the whole decade. I came home one day and she had just done it and has never gone back. |
| 03:16.28 | sinuhe | She didn't like SUSE or Slackware, thought the BSDs and Red Hat (now Fedora) were too complicated. I think the winner was Ubuntu. |
| 03:16.56 | sinuhe | (Never ran Debian, expect on a Sparc box she only logged into once.) |
| 03:17.36 | bonez46 | I started running Caldera.. escaped it to Debian, with help from elg, before Darl jumped in there.. and moved to Ubuntu a year or two ago.. |
| 03:18.25 | sinuhe | My first was Slackware and yggdrasil (the latter of which didn't last long) |
| 03:18.43 | bonez46 | must be that NAME.. |
| 03:19.49 | sinuhe | Nah. I seem to remember it being rediculous to install. I don't remember much about it. Slackware I remember well. |
| 03:20.42 | sinuhe | eightyeight: Bickering? |
| 03:20.50 | eightyeight | yes |
| 03:21.07 | sinuhe | That wasn't a question expecting confirmation. |
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| 03:40.47 | Nafai | My wife runs Linux |
| 03:40.57 | Nafai | But I manage the machine for her |
| 03:41.31 | sinuhe | Heh. My wife wouldn't let me. |
| 03:43.10 | Nafai | bonez46: I've been on 9.10 for about a month, I had an issue a month ago, but everything for the last few weeks has been smooth. |
| 03:44.46 | bonez46 | Nafai: what sort of issue did you encounter? |
| 03:46.20 | Nafai | They did an update (that has since been fixed, so it won't affect new upgrades) that broke booting because of udev (I think). |
| 03:47.40 | bonez46 | I am pretty sure I already have udev in place with my 9.04 desktop.. it shows that in /etc/fstab.. clearly different from 8.04 |
| 03:47.50 | bonez46 | I should just bite the bullet and go for it.. |
| 03:48.43 | Nafai | Yeah, it is usually pretty straight forward |
| 03:48.44 | sinuhe | After backing up your data, of course. :-) |
| 03:49.14 | Nafai | Yeah, that... |
| 03:50.08 | bonez46 | of course.. |
| 03:50.47 | bonez46 | speaking of backup.. what is a good backup routine using a DVD burner? |
| 03:51.46 | bonez46 | is there any GUI app that would work with a dvd drive? |
| 03:52.32 | sinuhe | I wrote a make script years ago. I keep to data directories, a /srv static directory that only needs incremental updates, and a set of variable configurations and data in my home directory. It creates tarball or ISOs as needed, and integrates with a kickstart file. (Ubuntu uses preseed.) |
| 03:52.41 | sinuhe | s/to data/two data/ |
| 03:55.26 | Nafai | sinuhe: Pretty cool idea; I need to get something like that going for me |
| 03:56.41 | sinuhe | It's made updates fairly painless. It allows me to reinstall easily, instead of upgrade, which I've always found to be a more stable method. |
| 03:57.17 | sinuhe | Good night |
| 03:57.37 | Nafai | I was going ot say, if you are using kickstart, that means RH, and yeah, free installs are better there |
| 03:57.47 | Nafai | Yay another emacs user |
| 03:59.22 | eightyeight | fai is better for automated installs on debian/ubuntu than preseed |
| 03:59.36 | eightyeight | debconf is horrid and not well documented |
| 03:59.40 | eightyeight | fai on the other hand... |
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| 04:17.44 | levi | Good evening. |
| 04:24.34 | Nafai | evening levi |
| 04:26.20 | levi | How's it going? |
| 04:33.35 | Nafai | not bad, been a weird day, sleep schedule all messed up because of the wind last night |
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| 04:50.31 | levi | Yeah, I didn't sleep well last night either. |
| 04:51.00 | levi | And then we got up early to try to get the kids their swine flu shots, but we had to leave there because the line was insane and I needed to get to the airport. |
| 04:51.07 | levi | I'm in San Jose now. |
| 05:18.44 | Sargun | levi, California |
| 05:18.58 | Sargun | Where in San Jose? |
| 05:19.25 | levi | Right next to the Super Mall or whatever in Milpitas. |
| 05:19.44 | Sargun | >_< |
| 05:20.38 | Sargun | GREAT |
| 05:20.39 | Sargun | mall |
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| 05:20.45 | Sargun | are you in a hotel |
| 05:20.50 | levi | Yeah. |
| 05:20.57 | Sargun | which one? |
| 05:21.46 | levi | Marriott Courtyard |
| 05:21.48 | Sargun | Oh |
| 05:22.05 | Sargun | nice |
| 05:22.17 | levi | Yeah, it's not bad. |
| 05:23.39 | Sargun | pleasure I assume? |
| 05:23.52 | levi | Nope. |
| 05:24.01 | Sargun | oh |
| 05:24.04 | Sargun | then why the kids |
| 05:24.25 | levi | You didn't read what I said very carefully. |
| 05:24.38 | Sargun | ah |
| 05:24.42 | Sargun | No, no I didn't |
| 05:24.50 | Sargun | can I ask what for? |
| 05:25.23 | levi | A joint debugging session with a chip maker. |
| 05:26.45 | Sargun | fun stuff |
| 05:26.53 | levi | Oh yeah. |
| 05:26.58 | Sargun | marvell? |
| 05:27.07 | Sargun | wonders who has a big plant down there |
| 05:27.12 | Sargun | nevermind |
| 05:27.15 | Sargun | there are a whole bunch |
| 05:27.20 | Sargun | atheros, marvell, broadcom |
| 05:27.52 | levi | These ogg videos of Gnome Shell look terrible. |
| 05:28.06 | levi | The video quality, I mean. |
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| 05:35.17 | levi | Hmm, somehow I missed www.avnu.org going live. |
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| 19:28.12 | *** topic/#utah is http://utos.org/irc | Log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah | TANSTAAFL | Ding dong the Darl's dead^wfired. Which old Darl? SCO's old Darl. Ding dong the wicked Darl's fired! |
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| 19:30.26 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 19:35.45 | sjansen | ~scream |
| 19:35.46 | ibot | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 19:35.52 | sjansen | ~louder |
| 19:36.15 | mulicheng | ~seen high_roller |
| 19:36.16 | ibot | high_roller <n=heath@host-12-152-163-48.preciscom.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 223d 15h 13m 8s ago, saying: 'I'm working on our house, its about 100 yrs old and its a lot of work'. |
| 19:36.36 | mulicheng | :| |
| 19:36.52 | goozbach | ~scream |
| 19:36.53 | ibot | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 19:36.58 | goozbach | ~louder |
| 19:36.59 | ibot | LETS GET RETARDED IN HERE!!!! |
| 19:37.05 | goozbach | much better |
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| 20:35.30 | Sargun | bonez46, sudo != su |
| 20:35.41 | Sargun | ~louder |
| 20:35.42 | ibot | LETS GET RETARDED IN HERE!!!! |
| 20:35.43 | Sargun | ~scream |
| 20:35.44 | ibot | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
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| 20:36.36 | mulicheng | ~shush |
| 20:36.37 | ibot | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 20:36.43 | goozbach | hah |
| 20:36.54 | goozbach | was gonna hush the channel |
| 20:37.07 | goozbach | but I wasn't sure what /mode +hush would do |
| 20:37.09 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:44.14 | bonez46 | thanks Sargun.. |
| 20:45.37 | bonez46 | I assume "!=" means not equal to... or is it very equal to? explain |
| 20:52.08 | mulicheng | != == <> && != != = |
| 20:52.15 | mulicheng | got that? |
| 20:58.09 | bonez46 | yeah, I guess so.. |
| 20:59.05 | bonez46 | so if I issues this 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' .. are you suggesting that the '&&' in the middle equates the two different commands? |
| 20:59.21 | mulicheng | != is common c, c++ and many other programming language syntax |
| 20:59.28 | mulicheng | (and you were correct in your assumption) |
| 21:00.08 | bonez46 | thanks.. I am no programmer.. so it flew over me..;) |
| 21:00.19 | mulicheng | if apt-get update succeeds, (0 exit status)then the 2nd apt-get dist-upgrade command will execute. |
| 21:01.15 | mulicheng | The && is combining the two commands into one logic controlled command. |
| 21:01.24 | bonez46 | ok.. |
| 21:01.30 | mulicheng | basically: if update works, the also do dist-upgrade. |
| 21:01.39 | mulicheng | s/the/then |
| 21:02.13 | mulicheng | ~wakeup |
| 21:02.14 | bonez46 | excellent |
| 21:02.35 | mulicheng | ~wake |
| 21:02.37 | mulicheng | ~kick |
| 21:02.39 | mulicheng | ~pinch |
| 21:03.50 | bonez46 | got one more question then.. let's say on /dev/sda I want to copy or archive my entire /home folder.. over to a folder 'newback' located on /dev/sdb ; how would I most efficiently copy the files, folders, keeping all permissions, flags, etc., intact? how would you? |
| 21:04.14 | tensai | ~ping |
| 21:04.15 | ibot | ~pong |
| 21:04.23 | bonez46 | I want to upgrade to 9.10 from 9.04 ubuntu.. and I think it will work fine, but I really want to back up to this other drive before I run the upgrade.. just to be safe |
| 21:04.29 | mulicheng | cp -a |
| 21:04.33 | mulicheng | rsync works well too |
| 21:05.21 | bonez46 | but just cp -a to copy everything/all so 'cp -a /home /media/disk/newback' would that do the trick? |
| 21:05.46 | mulicheng | after that command, newback would be a copy of /home |
| 21:06.05 | bonez46 | ok.. |
| 21:07.55 | mulicheng | assuming enough disk space of course |
| 21:08.00 | mulicheng | and permission to copy |
| 21:08.02 | bonez46 | I attempt this and immediately I get lots of this error >> cp: cannot open `/home/seth/.dmrc' for reading: Permission denied |
| 21:08.33 | bonez46 | ah, I guess I need to be root to have permission on the other folders.. |
| 21:08.34 | mulicheng | seth's files are not readable by your user account. |
| 21:08.46 | mulicheng | I'd make the backup as root (or sudo) |
| 21:08.51 | bonez46 | ok |
| 21:08.59 | mulicheng | if you can use sudo, just 'sudo cp -a /home etc.....' |
| 21:10.20 | bonez46 | what might cause this error >> cp: cannot stat `/home/scott/.gvfs': Permission denied |
| 21:10.41 | bonez46 | this is running now after I ran 'sudo -i' with my passwd at prompt |
| 21:13.09 | mulicheng | ls -la /home/scott/.gvfs |
| 21:16.10 | bonez46 | dr-x------ 2 scott scott 0 2009-10-28 05:28 . |
| 21:16.14 | bonez46 | drwxr-xr-x 87 scott scott 4096 2009-10-28 10:56 . |
| 21:16.31 | bonez46 | that's the only hiccup so far |
| 21:16.45 | mulicheng | seems like root should still be able to read the file. |
| 21:17.13 | mulicheng | didn't see .gvfs in your output though. |
| 21:17.17 | levi | Ha ha, this is a happy day for me, for the Good Math Bad Math blog has singled out Vorlath for ridicule. |
| 21:19.38 | bonez46 | mulicheng: running 'ls -al /home/scott/.gvfs' produces this output > |
| 21:19.42 | bonez46 | mulicheng: running 'ls -al /home/scott/.gvfs' produces this output > A[A[A[A[Ascott@fyrenice:~$ ls -al .gvfs |
| 21:19.45 | bonez46 | total 4 |
| 21:19.47 | bonez46 | dr-x------ 2 scott scott 0 2009-10-28 05:28 . |
| 21:19.50 | bonez46 | drwxr-xr-x 87 scott scott 4096 2009-10-28 10:56 .. |
| 21:20.22 | bonez46 | and I have no idea why it prepends that 'A]A]A]A]A' to my prompt |
| 21:20.37 | mulicheng | oh, .gvfs is a directory. |
| 21:20.38 | mulicheng | color codes? |
| 21:20.45 | bonez46 | perhaps.. |
| 21:20.50 | bonez46 | yeah, a directory |
| 21:20.55 | bonez46 | not sure what is there |
| 21:21.44 | goozbach | try \ls -ad .gvfs |
| 21:22.06 | goozbach | NM |
| 21:24.25 | JoshH | that's some kind of fuse bug iirc |
| 21:29.07 | tensai | levi: wow. that blog is so far over my head it's not even funny. |
| 21:30.39 | levi | What, you don't grok cantor's work on cardinality of infinities? |
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| 21:31.24 | levi | It's usually a little more down-to-earth. :) |
| 21:31.45 | levi | The Cantor stuff is mostly over my head at the moment too. |
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| 21:39.59 | mulicheng | ~wikipedia vorlath |
| 21:40.14 | mulicheng | I haven't heard of vorlath |
| 22:08.16 | Migs | http://qdb.us/296552 |
| 22:08.18 | brac | [QDB: Quote #296552] |
| 22:10.55 | goozbach | that explains the "no food or drink in the datacenter rule" |
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| 22:28.22 | pashdown | FYI: http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/eng/1441915476.html |
| 22:29.05 | Jayce^ | pashdown: oooh |
| 22:33.25 | sjansen | ~surprise pashdown |
| 22:33.29 | Migs | how much does it pay? |
| 22:33.40 | pashdown | lets just say "well" for now |
| 22:33.51 | Migs | benefits? |
| 22:34.12 | pashdown | yes, full health, dental, 401k |
| 22:34.21 | Migs | proximity to the FrontRunner? |
| 22:34.31 | pashdown | less than a block from trax |
| 22:34.47 | maquis | pashdown: you guys gonna have service in western washington anytime? please?? :) |
| 22:35.05 | pashdown | if you dig the fiber up there. :-) |
| 22:35.18 | maquis | is getting tired of the poor variety of options for ISPs in washington |
| 22:36.50 | maquis | all i want is an ISP that will let me have reverse DNS... speakeasy looked good, but they don't have anything outside seattle itself, apparently, unless i want to pay > 100$/month for dsl |
| 22:36.58 | pashdown | i wish i could convince warren buffett that nationwide FTTP is a good idea |
| 22:37.01 | sjansen | pashdown: I notice you want IOS experience. Would you be willing to consider emacs bashing experience as an equivalent? How about hands on experience flaming as equivalent to hands on experience crimping cables? |
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| 22:37.32 | pashdown | sjansen, i will accept all resumes equally. :-) |
| 22:37.42 | pashdown | although emacs experience is a + in my book |
| 22:37.57 | pashdown | i think i'm the only one in the office that uses it |
| 22:38.33 | sjansen | Hmmm. I don't know if I could ever work for an emacs user. Maybe instead I'll have to |
| 22:38.36 | sjansen | ~flame pashdown |
| 22:38.37 | ibot | pashdown, YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 22:38.44 | pashdown | yes i do |
| 22:39.01 | maquis | i'm okay at emacs flaming... |
| 22:39.35 | maquis | emacs usage... not so good |
| 22:39.57 | sjansen | pashdown: Have you considered posting to the local LUGs? There are some guys that'd match you're description, but we've had trouble convincing them to hang out in #utah instead of doing real work. |
| 22:40.19 | pashdown | do they accept job postings? |
| 22:40.49 | Nafai | Yay for Emacs! |
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| 22:41.42 | tristanbob | pashdown, I invited salparadise from #cisco re: job posting |
| 22:41.51 | pashdown | thanks |
| 22:42.01 | pashdown | http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/eng/1441915476.html |
| 22:42.43 | salparadise | hello pete, big fan of xmission and what you guys do for the community |
| 22:43.01 | pashdown | thanks sal |
| 22:43.09 | sjansen | pashdown: Plug & UUG allow posting directly to the list. SLLUG has a separate jobs list. Don't know about OALUG. |
| 22:43.24 | pashdown | our hotshot network engineer got sniped, so i'm looking for another |
| 22:43.35 | salparadise | nods |
| 22:43.55 | salparadise | well I will update my resume and send it over |
| 22:44.01 | pashdown | thanks |
| 22:44.25 | whiteinge | pashdown: OALUG accecpts direct posting |
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| 22:45.36 | Migs | sjansen: They have no excuse for not being here. I've been here for years, and I don't even like Linux |
| 22:46.18 | stderr | I don't think anyone has convinced themselves you come here because of linux, Migs. |
| 22:46.37 | Nafai | I guess I should look on the PLUG and SLLUG lists for job postings |
| 22:46.50 | Migs | well I certainly hope not |
| 22:47.09 | Migs | actually I don't mind Linux, but it'd be more hilariously ironic if I hated it |
| 22:47.09 | tensai | Nafai: they appear pretty regularly and seem to be decent jobs, generally |
| 22:47.12 | Migs | I can pretend to hate it for the sake of amusement |
| 22:47.15 | Nafai | good to know |
| 22:47.28 | tensai | stderr: I always assumed he was our jarjar binks |
| 22:47.54 | stderr | tensai: haha. |
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| 23:02.53 | eightyeight | pashdown: your post got caught in moderation, as you're not a member of the mailing list, but i posted it for you |
| 23:02.58 | eightyeight | to oalug that is |
| 23:03.09 | pashdown | oh thanks, i just subscribed and reposted, so just knock out the old one |
| 23:03.34 | eightyeight | ok |
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