| 01:14.51 | goozbach | any gurus hear the explosion at Hill AFB? |
| 01:23.36 | sjansen | nope |
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| 02:24.47 | eightyeight | sontek: you going to share your powershell prompt? |
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| 09:54.50 | Supaplex | time fer zzZzz'z |
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| 14:21.13 | goozbach | you know how the other day I was talking about making a meme site about memes? |
| 14:21.17 | goozbach | someone beat me to it |
| 14:21.20 | goozbach | http://knowyourmeme.com/ |
| 14:29.32 | tensai | oops. forgot to put the garbage out this morning. |
| 14:31.41 | goozbach | so did I |
| 14:31.45 | goozbach | good thing it's only one bag |
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| 14:49.58 | Zelut | question for the puppet folk in here. does anyone have a suggestion on a user module that creates users/groups, but allows for different uid/gid between distros? |
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| 14:59.34 | goozbach | Zelut: use a directory server :) |
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| 15:00.10 | Zelut | goozbach: i wish. |
| 15:00.22 | goozbach | why can't you |
| 15:00.29 | goozbach | linux auths against AD |
| 15:00.34 | goozbach | ;) |
| 15:01.27 | Zelut | we don't have any central auth system setup, and even if we did we can't use it on our DoD boxen anyway. |
| 15:02.20 | Zelut | in the end we could only do maybe 1/3 of our machines.. |
| 15:04.23 | goozbach | i see |
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| 15:05.38 | Zelut | so far I've been creating my puppet stuff as modules and not classes. I'm wondering if I'm doing it right.. |
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| 15:07.03 | goozbach | so Jayce^ the entire doom song is now my default ringtone |
| 15:07.15 | Jayce^ | wonderful :) |
| 15:07.18 | goozbach | and "aww I wanted to explode" is my default notification sound |
| 15:07.21 | goozbach | you should call me |
| 15:07.25 | goozbach | just to test it out |
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| 15:25.49 | Jayce^ | xkcd ftw yet again.... |
| 15:31.08 | goozbach | and sheldon == teh awesome! |
| 15:31.32 | Jayce^ | every episode *ever* |
| 15:31.44 | goozbach | hah |
| 15:58.54 | tensai | is considering copying flaco for halloween |
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| 17:03.20 | bonez46 | I need suggestions on a photo applet. I tried gphoto2 and it conflicts.. tried flPhoto and can't get it working right.. Other applets? |
| 17:03.42 | bonez46 | I just have photos on my canon power shot g3 and need to pull them off the camera to hdd to organize.. nothing fancy |
| 17:04.35 | levi | An SD (or whatever) card reader will let you copy them off with your favorite file browser. |
| 17:05.15 | tvc123 | picasa? |
| 17:05.23 | bonez46 | I don't have a reader ... the hardware.. are you saying the sd reader will just see the card on the cam and then read from it? suggestions for a card reader? |
| 17:05.23 | jsmith | f-shot? |
| 17:05.30 | jsmith | gphoto? |
| 17:05.43 | jsmith | Oh, you tried that one |
| 17:06.11 | goozbach | gthumb |
| 17:06.17 | levi | I just bought the card reader hardware from Best Buy. Wasn't super cheap, but wasn't terrible. |
| 17:06.33 | levi | I'm sure you can get a super-cheap one online, but I needed it quickly. |
| 17:06.56 | levi | Your camera may show up as USB storage anyway, though. |
| 17:07.09 | levi | Or you may have an option on your camera of telling it to act as USB storage. |
| 17:08.07 | fungus | http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=69&name=Card-Readers |
| 17:08.32 | sjansen | I've got a peace proposal for Obama and Fox News. Both should lay down arms and campaign to have Nancy Grace sent to Guantanamo. |
| 17:09.28 | Zelut | +1 |
| 17:12.33 | jsmith | sjansen: WORKSFORME |
| 17:12.46 | goozbach | +1 |
| 17:12.55 | goozbach | ibot: +1? |
| 17:12.56 | ibot | 1 is a number, silly |
| 17:13.00 | goozbach | oh ok |
| 17:13.07 | goozbach | :) |
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| 17:31.54 | Zelut | holy crap. just found ralsh :) |
| 17:32.02 | goozbach | ralsh? |
| 17:32.37 | goozbach | oh crap!!! |
| 17:32.40 | goozbach | MAGIC!!!! |
| 17:32.43 | Zelut | goozbach: http://blog.digg.com/?p=335 |
| 17:32.52 | Zelut | fa-reaking amazing. |
| 17:33.30 | Zelut | man this *really* simplifies manifest creation |
| 17:51.06 | sjansen | "Quite frankly, Sun is doomed. And it has nothing to do with their engineering practices or their coding style." -- Linus |
| 17:51.11 | sjansen | http://kerneltrap.org/node/11 |
| 17:58.54 | decriptor | anyone given this a try? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320023 |
| 18:06.28 | Zelut | why isn't my users class creating the users home folder? - http://pastebin.ca/1640488 |
| 18:07.35 | decriptor | it doesn't like you ;) |
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| 18:21.21 | sjansen | Zelut: Have you tried http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/TypeReference#id910 |
| 18:21.26 | sjansen | ? |
| 18:21.57 | Zelut | thanks |
| 18:23.12 | sjansen | The puppet wiki is your friend. |
| 18:23.57 | JoshH | nice way to say RTFM :P |
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| 18:26.51 | sjansen | Release the farting machine? |
| 18:26.54 | sjansen | ~fart JoshH |
| 18:26.56 | ibot | ACTION farts in JoshH's general direction |
| 18:31.14 | Zelut | I've been all over the wiki. Just have a hard time finding the right content. |
| 18:36.54 | sjansen | Man, Win7 has a serious pop under problem. |
| 18:37.53 | tensai | ~mock sjansen for using windows 7 |
| 18:37.54 | ibot | ACTION pulls sjansen for using windows 7's pants down and shows the world sjansen for using windows 7's pink spotted underwear |
| 18:40.35 | unum | is with in a 24 hour period a refinery caught fire, a house exploded, and HAFB was bombed |
| 18:40.53 | unum | I'm not saying harleypig is a terrorist, I'd just like to know his whereabouts at those times |
| 18:44.36 | Zelut | ok. I'm totally stumped on how to set a User to group 'wheel' on RH-family and 'sudo' on Deb-family. |
| 18:47.01 | sjansen | tensai: s/using/testing on/ |
| 18:48.38 | fungus | Zelut: use a selector. |
| 18:49.09 | Zelut | fungus: how do you mean? |
| 18:49.17 | fungus | groups => $operatingsystem ? { 'redhat': ['wheel'], 'debian':['sudo'] } |
| 18:49.20 | fungus | or something like that |
| 18:49.27 | sjansen | You mean modify group membership on RH and the sudoers file on Deb? |
| 18:50.22 | fungus | http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/LanguageTutorial#selectors |
| 18:50.23 | sjansen | Zelut: fungus's example is just a variant of you package names question yesterday |
| 18:50.23 | Zelut | sjansen: I would like user X to be in wheel group on RH boxes and sudo group on deb boxes. |
| 18:50.46 | Zelut | sjansen: and I tried that but it didn't work. perhaps I did the syntax wrong. |
| 18:50.58 | fugue88 | I like SLTrib's account of the HAFB explosion. |
| 18:51.25 | fungus | don't use my example syntax, it's wrong |
| 18:51.26 | sjansen | fugue88: URL for the lazy? |
| 18:51.43 | fugue88 | " A thundering boom startled thousands of people at Hill Air Force Base and beyond its gates Thursday as a fighter pilot dropped munitions and two external fuel tanks onto an uninhabited area of the sprawling military facility in response to an in-flight emergency. |
| 18:51.47 | fugue88 | A bomb destroyed a small, tin work shed near an area where ordnance is stored on the base's west side. It also damaged a nearby transformer and power lines, causing a basewide power outage" |
| 18:51.51 | fugue88 | http://www.sltrib.com/ci_13621703?source=most_viewed |
| 18:52.06 | fugue88 | 'At a hastily arranged news conference two hours after the incident, Zobrist called the aviator "a highly experienced pilot who has practiced these kinds of things hundreds if not thousands of times." ' |
| 18:52.57 | fugue88 | So they've got a pilot who had to eject his ordnance because of an emergency; he dumped on top of an underground ordnance storage; and he's practised this thousands of times. |
| 18:53.00 | fugue88 | :) |
| 19:14.02 | harleypig | unum: I can't tell you where I was during those times. I'd have to blow up your house. |
| 19:16.55 | fugue88 | I'm just proud that I know somebody with mad F-16 skillz. |
| 19:23.05 | unum | eightyeight: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/10/evil_maid_attac.html |
| 19:24.18 | TehLaser | That's probably militarese for "we train our pilots what to do in emergencies" |
| 19:24.37 | TehLaser | I'm sure they run ditch-drills all the time. |
| 19:26.00 | TehLaser | Probably including "how not to bomb layton hills mall if you need to dump something". |
| 19:26.56 | unum | I grow up under the landing path for the base..... |
| 19:28.52 | unum | s/grow/grew |
| 19:29.15 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.33 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.06 | mulicheng | You hiring sea animals? |
| 19:30.58 | sjansen | Not so much. |
| 19:31.39 | mulicheng | Perhaps they accidentally redirected you the resume from the oceanographers dept. |
| 19:31.49 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.13 | mulicheng | Wow, interesting. |
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| 19:55.01 | Lars-UT | sjansen: What is your favorite squirm question to ask a candidate? |
| 19:55.06 | levi | WTF is up with all the fuss over the 'evil maid' thing? |
| 20:00.37 | rsimpkins | Lars-UT: I have a good one for SA candidates: Design an FTP system capable of supporting 80,000 users, four "nines" availability, multi-site redundancy, 150TB of data, and a peak 15Gbps change rate. Start with bare racks. |
| 20:00.46 | rsimpkins | Lars-UT: Usually the next questions they ask are telling. |
| 20:01.42 | goozbach | my question would be "how much money do I have? |
| 20:01.55 | goozbach | " |
| 20:02.34 | Lars-UT | rsimpkins: wow. That would narrow the field quickly. |
| 20:02.43 | rsimpkins | Lars-UT: It usually does, yes. |
| 20:03.20 | rsimpkins | goozbach: the follow up question to this is "estimate the cost" |
| 20:03.20 | decriptor | ftp == yuck |
| 20:03.32 | decriptor | ftp screams insecure :) |
| 20:03.41 | rsimpkins | decriptor: FTP is chosen because it makes the problem easier to approach. |
| 20:04.02 | Lars-UT | decriptor: Can you schedule me the Mountain View room in November? |
| 20:04.07 | decriptor | crap |
| 20:04.16 | decriptor | I think so, I never heard back on that email :( |
| 20:04.21 | Lars-UT | ~pimpslap decriptor |
| 20:04.22 | ibot | lars-ut pimpslaps decriptor. ouch! |
| 20:05.00 | Lars-UT | decriptor: Wed, Nov 25, 8am-9am. |
| 20:05.50 | Lars-UT | decriptor: Lemme know if there is someone else I should go through at Novell. I've had problems following up with Shauna. |
| 20:06.23 | decriptor | Lars-UT: I'm asking right now. We sent out an email, but haven't heard back yet |
| 20:07.00 | Lars-UT | decriptor: Thanks, I've postponed this long enough, but I want the first breakfast to be a strong start. |
| 20:07.10 | decriptor | right |
| 20:07.22 | decriptor | oct is a terrible month to get anything done around here |
| 20:07.36 | decriptor | its the 'use it or lose it' vacation month :( |
| 20:07.49 | Lars-UT | I think Nov, just before Thanksgiving, might work really well. |
| 20:07.57 | Lars-UT | is hopeful |
| 20:12.03 | Jayce^ | awwwww crap! http://zfs.macosforge.org/ |
| 20:12.21 | Jayce^ | shutdown |
| 20:13.25 | goozbach | why!? |
| 20:13.51 | Jayce^ | dunno, it just was |
| 20:14.53 | Jayce^ | " |
| 20:14.53 | Jayce^ | The apparent complete cessation of Apple's support for the ZFS open source project, however, suggests that the company may have given up hope of achieving satisfactory licensing terms for the technology and redirected its resources elsewhere. |
| 20:14.53 | Jayce^ | " |
| 20:14.56 | Jayce^ | from macrumors |
| 20:15.13 | Jayce^ | and they just posted new job openings for file system architects |
| 20:15.54 | whiteinge | Anyone know if it's possible to install something from CPAN *non-interactively*? |
| 20:16.14 | Jayce^ | yeah, it's a programmable interface too |
| 20:16.29 | Jayce^ | check the perldoc for info |
| 20:17.30 | Zelut | whiteinge: no package for what you need? |
| 20:17.49 | whiteinge | Zelut: not this one (Text::Levenshtein) |
| 20:19.06 | whiteinge | Jayce^: I don't know what perldoc is. I need a one-off command to put in a script. |
| 20:20.28 | Jayce^ | whiteinge: man CPAN will work too, perldoc CPAN will appear the same |
| 20:21.04 | Jayce^ | perl -MCPAN -e 'install $module' ? |
| 20:23.33 | whiteinge | Jayce^: i've looked through the manpage (and google). every option I try complains about a missing $HOME/.cpan directory and wants to ask me quesitons. there is a good chance that people running this script won't have that directory. |
| 20:23.51 | Jayce^ | ah, non-configured |
| 20:25.38 | tensai | when it asks if you want to configure, just say no. it'll put in some reasonable defaults. |
| 20:27.23 | sjansen | Lars-UT: I haven't participated in a lot of interviews at GL, just the test teaches for those with potential. |
| 20:27.27 | whiteinge | tensai: it isn't asking a yes or no question. the first question is where to put the .cpan directory. |
| 20:27.47 | whiteinge | also that doesn't help when running it from a script |
| 20:27.53 | sjansen | whiteinge: Is this a one off for a customer, or something that has to be productized? |
| 20:28.18 | Jayce^ | if you're doing it a lot, build a rpm/deb/whatever for your distro |
| 20:28.30 | sjansen | If RPM, check out cpanspec. |
| 20:28.35 | Jayce^ | if it's part of code you are rolling, you can bundle it localy |
| 20:29.06 | tensai | whiteinge: I've never seen a question like that from cpan |
| 20:29.16 | whiteinge | sjansen: it's a build/deployment script for a development environment. |
| 20:29.18 | Jayce^ | tensai: that's usually inside the config |
| 20:29.36 | Lars-UT | sjansen: ah. I was expecting a particularly difficult question. How many positions did you open? |
| 20:29.39 | Jayce^ | tensai: usually when running as a non-root user.. so you can do non-root builds |
| 20:30.37 | whiteinge | Jayce^: I need this to be distro/platform-agnostic |
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| 20:31.22 | whiteinge | I guess I'll bundle it locally. What a PITA. Thanks for the suggestions, all. |
| 20:31.23 | sjansen | Lars-UT: During test teaches, I like to play an inexperienced Windows admin.My favorite "squirming" situation was one guy we ultimately hired. (Don't remember who.) He made the mistake of saying something snide about Windows, so I started asking how to accomplish Windows style ACLs, ultimately deciding that this Linux thing was an insecure joke because he could answer my questions. Completely broadsided him. |
| 20:31.54 | sjansen | s/could/couldn't/ |
| 20:32.16 | Lars-UT | sjansen: That's more of what I would expect. :) |
| 20:33.03 | Jayce^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHXBL6bzAR4 engineers explain cats |
| 20:33.19 | sjansen | Most of the time I try to be nice when I'm on the clock. But there are certain things you can't afford to ever do in class. |
| 20:34.23 | Lars-UT | decriptor: pm |
| 20:36.14 | unum | has anyone ever moved media wiki from one directory to an other? |
| 20:37.53 | unum | just had to restart the web server |
| 20:38.00 | Jayce^ | oh, and the advanced cat yodeling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHXBL6bzAR4 |
| 20:38.01 | unum | man I was starting to freak out |
| 20:38.31 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: those are awesome |
| 20:38.45 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 20:38.56 | Lars-UT | Jayce^: I think I know who gave passed them along to you |
| 20:39.11 | Jayce^ | yes, I think you do |
| 20:39.31 | Lars-UT | finds ^H |
| 20:40.39 | unum | spoke too soon |
| 20:41.00 | jsmith | cheers for gitk |
| 20:41.36 | tensai | if you ever need to hide something, get cisco to post it on their website. nobody will ever find it. |
| 20:41.46 | jsmith | Man, why didn't you folks tell me about gitk before? |
| 20:41.51 | jsmith | tensai: Amen, brother! |
| 20:42.15 | mulicheng | Cisco has actual content on their website? |
| 20:42.16 | tensai | starts wondering where cisco was when jimmy hoffa disappeared |
| 20:42.20 | Lars-UT | smells a melting T1 loopback and realizes it's jsmith |
| 20:42.30 | mulicheng | I thought it was just circular links |
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| 20:46.14 | sjansen | ~gitk++ |
| 20:48.27 | sontek | ~sjansen++ |
| 20:51.05 | mulicheng | ~git rebase++ |
| 20:51.06 | ibot | ACTION declares rebase++ a total smeghead |
| 20:51.21 | mulicheng | heh |
| 20:53.50 | sjansen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAfpq6EPKck |
| 20:54.53 | sjansen | is _so_ grateful for the Internets |
| 21:00.18 | eightyeight | unum: yaeh... |
| 21:03.45 | unum | eightyeight: ya I saw your facebook post |
| 21:04.23 | eightyeight | ahh |
| 21:04.31 | eightyeight | facebook is just pulling in my blog |
| 21:04.52 | goozbach | I'm missing facebook status from yesterday forward |
| 21:04.57 | goozbach | elg: what did you do?! |
| 21:05.13 | levi | goozbach: Are you looking at the news feed or live feed? |
| 21:07.16 | elg | oh that's live now/ |
| 21:08.04 | levi | Yup. |
| 21:08.12 | Jayce^ | http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/10/23/first-official-look-the-a-team/ |
| 21:08.44 | goozbach | levi: facebook.com |
| 21:09.03 | goozbach | I'm missing a block from about 4pm yesterday to just 15min ago |
| 21:09.08 | goozbach | saw it all last night |
| 21:09.11 | goozbach | :( |
| 21:09.51 | elg | goozbach: sounds like a bug. |
| 21:10.19 | sjansen | elg borked the internets? |
| 21:10.24 | levi | goozbach: Um, yeah, I know. Facebook now has a 'news feed' and a 'live feed'. The news feed is heavily filtered by popularity or something. |
| 21:10.36 | goozbach | meh, It's not that important to me |
| 21:10.58 | elg | goozbach: if you click on "live feed" do you see the missing bits? |
| 21:12.38 | goozbach | ahh that's it |
| 21:13.00 | goozbach | I though that my vapid relatives had died |
| 21:13.04 | goozbach | it scared me |
| 21:13.13 | elg | :-) |
| 21:13.24 | levi | Those facebook devs just don't know how to leave stuff alone. ;) |
| 21:14.31 | goozbach | yeah |
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| 21:17.52 | tensai | nelnet just continues to amaze. so not only did they forgive the last ~$700 of my student loan, they today sent me a check for $100 |
| 21:18.44 | jsmith | tensai: Seriously? They must have really screwed up, and are hoping you won't sue them... or something. |
| 21:19.13 | tensai | jsmith: if this were AT&T I might consider it. but they really do seem to be a great company. |
| 21:19.48 | tensai | $100 is how much my direct withdrawal was for, so I assume this is a refund of a payment they took out |
| 21:20.56 | Jayce^ | tensai: no fair, guess I should have kept mine going :( |
| 21:21.26 | Jayce^ | of course, I never even got a 'final payment' notice, or 'paid off' in the mail after I cleared out mine... |
| 21:35.55 | Lars-UT | is hitting a sugar low from the appledumplings he ate after lunch - http://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/2008/02/apple_dumplings/ |
| 21:39.42 | rsimpkins | tensai: What happened with nelnet? Can I get money from them too? |
| 21:40.56 | tensai | rsimpkins: I payed them $10,000 and they decided to cut me a break on the last $700 I owed them |
| 21:44.57 | sjansen | Perhaps your name is confusingly similar to the the CEO's new son-in-law. |
| 21:49.52 | levi | tears hair out. |
| 21:52.49 | levi | I'm trying to get development builds of the bits of software from about 5 different teams to play nicely together. Some of these bits are embedded in hardware from different companies. |
| 21:53.36 | elg | levi: i think you'll like being bald |
| 21:53.40 | elg | silver lining and all that |
| 21:54.02 | levi | Yeah, my wife loves my hair, but I am mostly annoyed with it. |
| 21:54.15 | levi | I would be annoyed with shaving it, too, so there's no winning. |
| 21:55.15 | sjansen | warms up a cookie, pours a glass of cold milk, and pull his story time beanbag up next to levi |
| 21:55.59 | levi | So the core of what I'm working on is implementation of some draft IEEE standards that we're heavily involved in. |
| 21:56.44 | elg | the "shave once every week or two" look is pretty popular here at FB |
| 21:56.53 | levi | My team is basically tasked with making sure the IEEE ratifies something that works for us and having reference implementations and making sure product teams can use them. |
| 21:56.56 | elg | (head and face) |
| 21:57.23 | levi | I shave my face once or twice a week. |
| 21:58.39 | levi | Anyway, over the course of the last couple of years we've teamed with a couple of big silicon vendors to get some chips that'll do this stuff and to get the supporting software done. And in parallel, we've been pushing our product divisions to get moving on products that use these chips. |
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| 22:01.52 | levi | There's another group here that owns a bit of software for designing and controlling complex audio installations via the network. I came up with a layer of software that would interface that tool with the low-level APIs to the chips and the various network protocols we're working on and make sure everything is staged correctly. I also ported all the support software for one of the chips and wrote the driver for the other one we're |
| 22:01.52 | levi | using, though thankfully someone else is maintaining that now. |
| 22:02.45 | levi | Anyway, this is all just to illustrate that it's a complex beast and I'm right in the middle of it. |
| 22:03.29 | levi | It's all largely working, but the final issues are being incredibly elusive. |
| 22:04.46 | levi | And keeping my development/debug station up to date as everyone is moving their bits towards release so I can continue to track down the bugs is terribly frustrating. |
| 22:04.59 | levi | sjansen: Okay, story time is over now. |
| 22:07.57 | tensai | pours milk on sjansen's head |
| 22:11.42 | sjansen | wakes up and wonders why he's all milky |
| 22:11.49 | sjansen | looks at elg accusingly |
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| 22:26.30 | neybar | Does anyone know what the scan codes are called that were on quite a few of the presenters slides at utos this year? They were often at the end of the presentation and contained links to the slides or other bits of useful information? |
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| 22:35.55 | tensai | goozbach had one I think |
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| 22:41.02 | fungus | I think they were QR Codes. |
| 22:41.03 | fungus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_Code |
| 22:43.38 | goozbach | QR code |
| 22:43.52 | goozbach | http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=qr&chs=250x250&chl=MECARD:N:Carter,Derek;SOUND:goozbach;NICKNAME:Goozbach;URL:http://blog.friocorte.com;TEL:+18014587326;EMAIL:goozbach@friocorte.com;; |
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| 22:54.10 | neybar | goozbach: is there a front end to the google charts? |
| 23:18.02 | fungus | http://zxing.appspot.com/generator/ |
| 23:18.06 | brac | [QR Code Generator] |